David Gray

[Carheenlea]

Maybe now is his time.

Hibs, never let us down, stepped in to steady the ship between failed managers and knows the club inside out. Knows what the fans expect and what it means to have the privilege of playing for Hibs.

He might not be a glamour name but from what we’ve seen previously he won’t over complicate things.

We’ve had our fill of experiments and trying for clever appointments. I think he would be a favourable choice.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

No. Absolutely not. Part of several failed managerial teams.

Hero and legend of course, but as much to blame as anyone else.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Maybe now is his time.

Hibs, never let us down, stepped in to steady the ship between failed managers and knows the club inside out. Knows what the fans expect and what it means to have the privilege of playing for Hibs.

He might not be a glamour name but from what we’ve seen previously he won’t over complicate things.

We’ve had our fill of experiments and trying for clever appointments. I think he would be a favourable choice.

I doubt that a White Ladder would take him to the top of the list of potential candidates for the position. 😁

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

No chance 😮

[B.H.F.C]

I’ve no idea how much input Gray has. What you do see is that he works with the defence before every game then gives them a wee team talk when they go in to that daft huddle when the warm up is finished. Neither thing seems to work.

I don’t want him as manager any time soon as I don’t want us to have to sack him, which would inevitably happen.

[Hiber-nation]

Wouldn't be averse to giving it to him till the end of the season. Managed us to our best performance of the season at Pittodrie. At least he will set us up sensibly.

[VoltaireHibs]

I’ve no idea how much input Gray has. What you do see is that he works with the defence before every game then gives them a wee team talk when they go in to that daft huddle when the warm up is finished. Neither thing seems to work.

I don’t want him as manager any time soon as I don’t want us to have to sack him, which would inevitably happen.


The performance under him at Pittodrie was the best, most complete domestic performance this season. And the happiest I've seen the team look. A third coach is basically a loyal subject, carrying out the kings orders. I really wouldn't be averse to giving him until the end of the season. The whole things a bit of a write off as things stand, not really got much to lose.

[Glory Lurker]

No.

[K-Zazu]

I’ve no idea how much input Gray has. What you do see is that he works with the defence before every game then gives them a wee team talk when they go in to that daft huddle when the warm up is finished. Neither thing seems to work.

I don’t want him as manager any time soon as I don’t want us to have to sack him, which would inevitably happen.

Why did we start doing that huddle thing anyway?

[hfc-1875]

Absolutely not, took too many gambles recently with maloney and now Monty. Need someone experienced imo

[Blaster]

Part of the long term problem

[Onceinawhile]

Why did we start doing that huddle thing anyway?

Because standing in a circle is supposed to increase togetherness and teamwork.

[Crammond Hibee]

No. Absolutely not. Part of several failed managerial teams.

Hero and legend of course, but as much to blame as anyone else.

Agreed

[Crammond Hibee]

The performance under him at Pittodrie was the best, most complete domestic performance this season. And the happiest I've seen the team look. A third coach is basically a loyal subject, carrying out the kings orders. I really wouldn't be averse to giving him until the end of the season. The whole things a bit of a write off as things stand, not really got much to lose.

A cup tie

[Greensunshine]

It’s player recruitment that’s the problem. So many dud signings it’s beyond embarrassing.

Oh and we’ve been far too loyal to players who should have left years ago but because of the above, they’ve hung around because there’s been nobody to replace them!

Manager after manager have paid the price.

Now we’re all desperate to take Foley’s cash because anything is better than what we’ve had to endure the last few years!

[AL-Qaholik]

Any manager/DOF/CEO with a spine would’ve emptied him years ago.
Legend as a player but now part of an endemic rot at the heart of our club.

[jeffers]

Any manager/DOF/CEO with a spine would’ve emptied him years ago.
Legend as a player but now part of an endemic rot at the heart of our club.

What’s his role at the club and how much say does he have ?

[AL-Qaholik]

What’s his role at the club and how much say does he have ?

Defensive coach.
Our defence is the worst it’s been in about 15 years.

[jeffers]

Oh right. News to me that.

[Jones28]

Defensive coach.
Our defence is the worst it’s been in about 15 years.

Defensive coach under the manager, who has the sign off on tactics and how they’re deployed.

[AL-Qaholik]

Defensive coach under the manager, who has the sign off on tactics and how they’re deployed.

Under 4 managers…

[Jones28]

Under 4 managers…

Same applies. 3 of the previous 4 managers have been ****.

[JimBHibees]

Would be an improvement on the present

[jeffers]

Under 4 managers…

He absolutely wasn’t defensive coach under 4 managers.

[Hermit Crab]

Absolutely not. Cheap option and just not what we need.

[hfc-1875]

Would be an improvement on the present

What makes you think that?

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Derek ****ing McInnes. Close thread.

[AL-Qaholik]

He absolutely wasn’t defensive coach under 4 managers.

Ross, Maloney, Johnson, Montgomery.

To be fair, you might be right - you could maybe include Heckingbottom as well.

5 managers, then.

[jeffers]

Ross, Maloney, Johnson, Montgomery.

To be fair, you might be right - you could maybe include Heckingbottom as well.

5 managers, then.

Yeah only he wasn’t and never has been the defensive coach but don’t let facts get in the way of bashing him.

[LaMotta]

David Gray?

Every time he has been an in interim charge he has set up sensible teams, and we have done ok, putting in fairly good performances. He has always talked pretty sensibly before and after games.

Should he be Hibs manager - well I'm not sure.

But I honestly believe he would have done a better job than the previous three - Maloney, Johnston, and Monty. We'd certainly be no worse off in my opinion, and we would certainly be financially be better off spending probably millions hiring and firing absolute duds.

[jeffers]

David Gray?

Every time he has been an in interim charge he has set up sensible teams, and we have done ok, putting in fairly good performances. He has always talked pretty sensibly before and after games.

Should he be Hibs manager - well I'm not sure.

But I honestly believe he would have done a better job than the previous three - Maloney, Johnston, and Monty. We'd certainly be no worse off in my opinion, and we would certainly be financially be better off spending probably millions hiring and firing absolute duds.

Pretty much where I am. Despite what some would have you believe he’s not responsible for our defensive setup and is viewed as a good coach. Whether that translates to being a good manager I don’t know but I agree with you I think he’d have done better than the last three appointments.

[He's here!]

David Gray?

Every time he has been an in interim charge he has set up sensible teams, and we have done ok, putting in fairly good performances. He has always talked pretty sensibly before and after games.

Should he be Hibs manager - well I'm not sure.

But I honestly believe he would have done a better job than the previous three - Maloney, Johnston, and Monty. We'd certainly be no worse off in my opinion, and we would certainly be financially be better off spending probably millions hiring and firing absolute duds.

Based on his record during his several spells in charge he'd be a pretty safe pair of hands, quite possibly better than that.

One thing's for sure, he couldn't make us any worse.

[Man Down Under]

I like how the 2 games he came in as interim manager was a Scottish Cup final and a European Away leg against a Premier League team.

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[He's here!]

I like how the 2 games he came in as interim manager was a Scottish Cup final and a European Away leg against a Premier League team.

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He's taken charge of 10 games and none of them were a Scottish Cup final.

[jeffers]

He's taken charge of 10 games and none of them were a Scottish Cup final.

I think MDU is getting the league and Scottish cups mixed up.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I like how the 2 games he came in as interim manager was a Scottish Cup final and a European Away leg against a Premier League team.

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That's good to know. 👍

[Man Down Under]

I think MDU is getting the league and Scottish cups mixed up.Oh aye, league cup against Celtic it was.

Also 10 games!? I guess I just noticed the big games he was in charge. Looks like he only lost 4 of those which is not bad.

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[Babyshamble]

Would be horrific to see a legend binned as manager.Franck Sauzee springs to mind.very rarely works as an ex player getting the managers job. Look how Aberdeen did with willie Miller.

[LaMotta]

I like how the 2 games he came in as interim manager was a Scottish Cup final and a European Away leg against a Premier League team.

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He's had way more than 2 games in interim charge.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

He's taken charge of 10 games and none of them were a Scottish Cup final.

10 games. 4 wins, 2 draws, 4 defeats. 12 goals for 11 against. Not saying he's the long term replacement, but not a bad record.

[joebakerforever]

Yeah only he wasn’t and never has been the defensive coach but don’t let facts get in the way of bashing him.


Pretty much where I am. Despite what some would have you believe he’s not responsible for our defensive setup and is viewed as a good coach. Whether that translates to being a good manager I don’t know but I agree with you I think he’d have done better than the last three appointments.

If it's not David Gray, who do you believe to be our current defensive coach, as it might prevent further disinformation on this subject?

[McGruber]

2 options now as I see it for David Gray, he either steps up to manager (at least until end of season) or if not, he leaves the club. There's no middle ground for me.

If he is manager and making decisions we can see how he goes. A lot being made of the past interim results but most teams have upturns after management changes regardless so difficult to tell. Would say his team selections and set ups have been decent.

If not manager, he has to go as part of a failed coaching team. Otherwise, what's the point. He either has enough sway to make an impact and he should be in Monty's ear about formations and selection or he doesn't have the influence over the managers to make any changes. Given we are making the same mistakes he either isn't getting his points over or he puts in his tuppence worth but Monty doesn't take it on board and persists with his own thing (as is his prerogative).

If the train of thought is that it isn't his place these decisions and all falls on Monty, Maloney, Johnson etc - I get that but again, as a first team coach - then what's the point.

Love, respect and admire the guy but for me he has been part of 3 failed coaching teams and it is now either step up or step out.

[timewilltell]

2 options now as I see it for David Gray, he either steps up to manager (at least until end of season) or if not, he leaves the club. There's no middle ground for me.

If he is manager and making decisions we can see how he goes. A lot being made of the past interim results but most teams have upturns after management changes regardless so difficult to tell. Would say his team selections and set ups have been decent.

If not manager, he has to go as part of a failed coaching team. Otherwise, what's the point. He either has enough sway to make an impact and he should be in Monty's ear about formations and selection or he doesn't have the influence over the managers to make any changes. Given we are making the same mistakes he either isn't getting his points over or he puts in his tuppence worth but Monty doesn't take it on board and persists with his own thing (as is his prerogative).

If the train of thought is that it isn't his place these decisions and all falls on Monty, Maloney, Johnson etc - I get that but again, as a first team coach - then what's the point.

Love, respect and admire the guy but for me he has been part of 3 failed coaching teams and it is now either step up or step out.

Spot on!

[jeffers]

If it's not David Gray, who do you believe to be our current defensive coach, as it might prevent further disinformation on this subject?

David Gray is set piece coach, the rest is down to Sergio Raimundo.

[hibee-boys]

David Gray is set piece coach, the rest is down to Sergio Raimundo.

Set piece coach as in defend or attack? Actually, we’re chronic at both so I guess it doesn’t matter.

[Smartie]

Scapegoat bingo.

If I’m playing, I’ll have Gordon Marshall please. Or if he’s taken, Tam McCourt.

[J-C]

David Gray is set piece coach, the rest is down to Sergio Raimundo.

Enough said, another Cathro coach but at least he can speak multiple languages.

[Donegal Hibby]

If Monty were to go I'd give it to SDG until the end of the season to see how he does. I don't think he'd be a bad choice as he knows the club inside out and has great experience from working under different managers.

He might do well enough to merit giving him the job if he wanted it . If he doesn't it would certainly buy us time to look at other candidates.

If we end up looking for a manager hopefully we could get one that plays attacking football that suits the players we have here already , like a Karl Robinson or liam manning .Liam manning has taken over at Bristol city so we wouldn't get him though his assistant could be a option maybe.

https://youtu.be/wT-UJ0rcGSc?si=AV8WlzXXEjG4325q

[Chipper1875]

The performance under him at Pittodrie was the best, most complete domestic performance this season. And the happiest I've seen the team look. A third coach is basically a loyal subject, carrying out the kings orders. I really wouldn't be averse to giving him until the end of the season. The whole things a bit of a write off as things stand, not really got much to lose.

Correct, a coach follows orders. Doesn’t but players. Doesn’t pick tactics or make subs . When he’s filled in he’s tried to be pragmatic, to try get results, taking a failing team

[Chipper1875]

Enough said, another Cathro coach but at least he can speak multiple languages.

Serge takes players thro video analysis and will say , if you stand there or do this … players ask him questions … they see right through he’s never played… a ipad coach . Just like the Italian that Maloney had

[heretoday]

Set piece coach as in defend or attack? Actually, we’re chronic at both so I guess it doesn’t matter.

It's hardly a standout on the CV!

[1620]

Serge takes players thro video analysis and will say , if you stand there or do this … players ask him questions … they see right through he’s never played… a ipad coach . Just like the Italian that Maloney had

Not sure how you know this but if it’s true, and I am not doubting you, it explains a lot! When he first arrived Serge was bummed up regarding all the clubs he had been at and the number of languages he was able to speak. Since then I have been wondering what he actually did because on match days you rarely see him influencing things.
If we have a hugely inexperienced tactically inept manager and an iPad coach who has never played the game in charge of the team then it’s no surprise where we are and they are not going to get us out of this mess.

[Since452]

Set us up correctly up at Aberdeen and got a very good tune out of the same players Montgomery can't.

Not saying he should take over but he wouldn't do any worse.

[TrinityHFC]

Set us up correctly up at Aberdeen and got a very good tune out of the same players Montgomery can't.

Not saying he should take over but he wouldn't do any worse.

He just tweaked some little things. After LJ and knowing that we were moving past playing in Europe it just needed a bit of defensive work and settling some of the new players in. Remember we had injured keepers, Obita not really fit, Miller in and out. Marshall chucking them in when he was fit…

I think Gray got the balance right although it was a small sample size.

What we didn’t need was the club ripping the whole thing up, which is what has happened.

[7Hero]

His only experience in the dugout is watching some of the worst managers we've ever had. Hardly a decent experience .. and if he is in fact the defensive coach currently then that's another mark against him..

[Mikey_1875]

Not for me. I find it odd how Raimundo can take flak while making excuses for SDG at the same time. Yes the Aberdeen performance was decent but I still have nightmares about the “performance” at Dundee under his watch.

Either way there isn’t enough evidence from that to make a solid conclusion on. I would rather go on the evidence of his part in the managerial failures over the last few seasons. The fact he is the set piece coach and not the defensive is not a positive either, we conceded two poor goals from set pieces yesterday.

[andrew70]

David Gray needs to leave the club and go and earn his managerial stripes elsewhere and possibly come back when proven.

He’s also a lot more than set piece coach now. He was that under Johnson but his remit was expanded when Montgomery came in.

We are regressing rapidly and he’s part of a team overseeing this shambles again.

[Donegal Hibby]

His only experience in the dugout is watching some of the worst managers we've ever had. Hardly a decent experience .. and if he is in fact the defensive coach currently then that's another mark against him..

That might not necessarily be a bad thing in like what they say " you learn from your mistakes" maybe SD has learnt from other managers mistakes , anyhow the guys been at Utd and has a wealth of knowledge as a player and a coach, he also took charge of a team that lost 5 goals in 3 matches and went to pittodrie and won keeping a clean sheet also.

[LunasBoots]

Not for me, i dont think inexperience is what we need, David Gray needs first team management elsewhere before we can actually consider him for the job.

[Since452]

He just tweaked some little things. After LJ and knowing that we were moving past playing in Europe it just needed a bit of defensive work and settling some of the new players in. Remember we had injured keepers, Obita not really fit, Miller in and out. Marshall chucking them in when he was fit…

I think Gray got the balance right although it was a small sample size.

What we didn’t need was the club ripping the whole thing up, which is what has happened.

Yup completely agree. A team that beat Luzern over two legs didn't need completely reshuffled. A few tweaks and a bit more direction after LJ left was about it. I felt they'd always come good after we were out of Europe.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

maybe time to stop getting the young unproven coaches and get some experience in.

[VoltaireHibs]

2 options now as I see it for David Gray, he either steps up to manager (at least until end of season) or if not, he leaves the club. There's no middle ground for me.

If he is manager and making decisions we can see how he goes. A lot being made of the past interim results but most teams have upturns after management changes regardless so difficult to tell. Would say his team selections and set ups have been decent.

If not manager, he has to go as part of a failed coaching team. Otherwise, what's the point. He either has enough sway to make an impact and he should be in Monty's ear about formations and selection or he doesn't have the influence over the managers to make any changes. Given we are making the same mistakes he either isn't getting his points over or he puts in his tuppence worth but Monty doesn't take it on board and persists with his own thing (as is his prerogative).

If the train of thought is that it isn't his place these decisions and all falls on Monty, Maloney, Johnson etc - I get that but again, as a first team coach - then what's the point.

Love, respect and admire the guy but for me he has been part of 3 failed coaching teams and it is now either step up or step out.

Really good post. Agree with every word.

[JimBHibees]

maybe time to stop getting the young unproven coaches and get some experience in.

Johnson was experienced

[Donegal Hibby]

Came across this again , for me if Monty was to lose his job ( which I hope doesn't happen) I give the job to SD till the end of the season to see how he does .His records not bad every time he's been asked to do the job especially when it's normally been when the teams been doing poorly .

https://youtu.be/DD4brSqqdJU?si=VI3SvNHaYXygp37-

[Pretty Boy]

I have no strong opinions on Gray as a coach either way.

I think if he wants the managers gig for himself, which apparently is the case, then he's going to have to spread his wings and go and get a bit experience elsewhere first.

If he was getting the Hibs job then it would have been when it was last available pre Montgomery.

[Lago]

I've never heard or read of any other club being interested in David Gray as a coach or manager.

[jeffers]

I have no strong opinions on Gray as a coach either way.

I think if he wants the managers gig for himself, which apparently is the case, then he's going to have to spread his wings and go and get a bit experience elsewhere first.

If he was getting the Hibs job then it would have been when it was last available pre Montgomery.

🤔

[Brooster]

Absolutely not. He's part of the current coaching team who pick baffling teams consisting of out of form players and players out of position. And formation and tactics which allows teams to slice through us at will. He needs to go too.

[heretoday]

I don't think SDG really wants it, does he?

[Callum_62]

Enough said, another Cathro coach but at least he can speak multiple languages.Cathro is actually a really rated coach btw

It's why he's worked at some major clubs

Not such a rated manager ofcourse! [emoji23]

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[jakedance]

I don’t think anyone here can genuinely predict how well SDG would do at the job, given how few games he’s managed.

I also don’t think anyone can genuinely know how responsible he is for our *****ness. The buck stops with the manager.

We need an experienced safe pair of hands. It’s too big a job for a rookie to sort Hibs out. He should go and cut his teeth somewhere else and come back when he’s earned the opportunity to be the main man.

[Baader]

No to SDG as permanent manager. I would hate to think of him tarnishing his legacy at the club, much as I'd love him to be a success. If he is to become a manager he needs to go and do it at a lower level and if successful, work his way into the Hibs job which would obviously be available to him at some point. I think he's likely very aware of this and don't get much impression he wants to manage.

[Haymaker]

Absolutely not. He's part of the current coaching team who pick baffling teams consisting of out of form players and players out of position. And formation and tactics which allows teams to slice through us at will. He needs to go too.

Does SDG pick the team? He coaches sessions, but does He pick the final team? Or does NM? Who is the actual Manager?

[jacomo]

10 games. 4 wins, 2 draws, 4 defeats. 12 goals for 11 against. Not saying he's the long term replacement, but not a bad record.


Not bad at all. It’s too easy to dismiss this as an expected new manager bounce - he’s only ever been the caretaker of a group of players short on confidence and form.

[jacomo]

Johnson was experienced


You too can benefit from that experience, by signing up to his online coaching sessions.

No doubt applicable to all walks of life, including the special forces, and not just football.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think SDG really wants it, does he?

I believe he has applied for the job at least once so that suggests he does.

The Dunfermilne job looks like it might be coming up soon, McPake is a dead man walking. That would be a good gig for Gray to cut his teeth as his own man imo, I'm sure the door would always be open at ER if he was to do well.

[Brizo]

After three managers with no SPL managerial experience, SDG's minimal caretaker experience would be too much of a gamble for me.

A few bad results and folk would turn on him. I'd prefer his legend status wasn't tarnished by that.

[Jones28]

A lot of folk seem to be getting coaches confused with managers and picking the team here.

[jeffers]

A lot of folk seem to be getting coaches confused with managers and picking the team here.

:agree:

[LaMotta]

A lot of folk seem to be getting coaches confused with managers and picking the team here.


:agree:

:agree::agree:

A bizaare accusation levelled at Gray that he has had any final say in team selections under the last 3 managers.

[Chipper1875]

:agree::agree:

A bizaare accusation levelled at Gray that he has had any final say in team selections under the last 3 managers.

Or signing players or tactics or substitutes. When jocky Scott got appointed to replace Alex Miller, at the AGM l basically asked him why you as you were part of the team that failed. He explained he was there to support the manager and will have different thoughts and approaches now he’s in charge

[Donegal Hibby]

A lot of folk seem to be getting coaches confused with managers and picking the team here.


:agree:


:agree::agree:

A bizaare accusation levelled at Gray that he has had any final say in team selections under the last 3 managers.

:agree::agree::agree:

[J-C]

Cathro is actually a really rated coach btw

It's why he's worked at some major clubs

Not such a rated manager ofcourse! [emoji23]

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Don't know if he's still at al-Ittihad as he didn't go with Nuno to Nottingham Forest. It was of course a wee joke due to his time at Hearts.

[jeffers]

:agree::agree:

A bizaare accusation levelled at Gray that he has had any final say in team selections under the last 3 managers.

Exactly and comments that he’s part of the problem from posters who have no idea what his role is or how much input he actually has are pretty poor imo. Or the idea that ‘cos he was a defender he must be defence coach :confused: Now some people may not necessarily see this as a ringing endorsement but our last 4 managers all view him as a good coach.

If posters don’t like the idea of him being our next manager based on his lack of experience in that role then fair enough. If they want to discuss the merits of our set pieces then again fair enough as it would at least be a conversation about his actual role in the coaching set up.

I don’t know if David Gray is the man to manage Hibs, appointing him would certainly be a bigger gamble than other names being mentioned and I’m not saying it’s what we should do, but I do believe he’d have done a better job than the last three managers.

[J-C]

Gray can coach as much as he wants but when a manager throws in 2 rookies into the defence, there's not much his coaching can do, Triantis must've had 2 training session with his team mates before playing.

[marinello59]

Gray can coach as much as he wants but when a manager throws in 2 rookies into the defence, there's not much his coaching can do, Triantis must've had 2 training session with his team mates before playing.

:agree:

[LaMotta]

Or signing players or tactics or substitutes. When jocky Scott got appointed to replace Alex Miller, at the AGM l basically asked him why you as you were part of the team that failed. He explained he was there to support the manager and will have different thoughts and approaches now he’s in charge

:agree:

Exactly and comments that he’s part of the problem from posters who have no idea what his role is or how much input he actually has are pretty poor imo. Or the idea that ‘cos he was a defender he must be defence coach :confused: Now some people may not necessarily see this as a ringing endorsement but our last 4 managers all view him as a good coach.

If posters don’t like the idea of him being our next manager based on his lack of experience in that role then fair enough. If they want to discuss the merits of our set pieces then again fair enough as it would at least be a conversation about his actual role in the coaching set up.

I don’t know if David Gray is the man to manage Hibs, appointing him would certainly be a bigger gamble than other names being mentioned and I’m not saying it’s what we should do, but I do believe he’d have done a better job than the last three managers.

Agree 100%. I've seen enough in my own work organisation to know that there are often highly competent people lurking in the backgrounds shaking their head at the new highly paid bosses making radge decisions because they have managed to somehow slaver their way into a top position by being adept at bull**** bingo.

[Donegal Hibby]

The first 3 games of the season we lost 5 goals and defensively we were really poor . The pittodrie game after LJ had left we looked more structured and had a bit of steel about us . I was very surprised with the performance and result that day considering how the other 3 games had went .
https://youtu.be/HJRqarVOTRg?si=MjwAQ1YOqyOqA8V3

[Swedish hibee]

The management are a team. So yes, they all need to go. A new manager should bring in the folk he wants.

[Unseen work]

I actually think David Gray would be a decent enough manager for usb if he had to step in until the end of the season.

I think he would go back to basics and play the best players available to him, sounds simple I know but it doesn’t always seem to be the case.

I think he’d have them in a structured formation, no mucking about and get the ball to those that can do something with it.

I would actually be semi confident he’d get us top 6, something I’ve no confidence in right now.

[RossScott1991]

The management are a team. So yes, they all need to go. A new manager should bring in the folk he wants.

This. Love SDG but fresh pairs of eyes are needed.

[hhibs]

Absolutely not. He's part of the current coaching team who pick baffling teams consisting of out of form players and players out of position. And formation and tactics which allows teams to slice through us at will. He needs to go too.


Agree,I think he is part of the problem,ever present through a series of bad management teams,not sure you can put that down to coincidence.

[Donegal Hibby]

Agree,I think he is part of the problem,ever present through a series of bad management teams,not sure you can put that down to coincidence.

The last 3 managers have all had different styles of play , Maloneys passing back and forth not looking like scoring, LJ very attacking , defensively vulnerable eventually going to pot with nothing more than punting the ball forward while leaking goals .

To Monty's one system of 442 playing out from the back with only two midfielders, fullbacks pushing forward etc . Absolutely nothing to do with SDG . It's the managers that pick the team and formation and how he wants them to play , Grays just the coach and probably has his own ideas on how the game should be played .👍

[jacomo]

I believe he has applied for the job at least once so that suggests he does.

The Dunfermilne job looks like it might be coming up soon, McPake is a dead man walking. That would be a good gig for Gray to cut his teeth as his own man imo, I'm sure the door would always be open at ER if he was to do well.


I’m not sure what the route is to gain enough experience for the lofty heights of Hibs. Frankly, clubs with a much bigger income and profile than us have appointed rookies and done ok. Pep at Barcelona comes to mind.

I think someone either has what it takes or they don’t. If Monty can’t turn this around and SDG wants the gig, we should consider him. Getting the right team around him would be key.

[Jones28]

The management are a team. So yes, they all need to go. A new manager should bring in the folk he wants.

The management team that came in with the current manager, so his team need to go.

Gray is part of the management structure at Hibs.

Tbh I’d rather he left because of moronic theories that he’s part of the problem because he’s there. I hope he goes in to management in the lower leagues and gets the chance to come back to us as he deserves to. Head coach with bags of experience.

Hopefully the tea lady and groundsman get punted too because they’re part of the team as well.

[Pretty Boy]

I’m not sure what the route is to gain enough experience for the lofty heights of Hibs. Frankly, clubs with a much bigger income and profile than us have appointed rookies and done ok. Pep at Barcelona comes to mind.

I think someone either has what it takes or they don’t. If Monty can’t turn this around and SDG wants the gig, we should consider him. Getting the right team around him would be key.

Pep managed Barcelona B for a season, for all that's quite a step down from Barcelona's first team it is still a management job in it's own right in a competitive first team league (they were in the 3rd tier of Spanish football at the time I think and Pep got them promoted). I do take your point though.

I just think if he was going to get the job it would have happened by now. Since Ross we have appointed one rookie in Maloney and a guy not that much further on than the rookie stage in Montgomery. He's had a couple of decent auditions for it yet we have always looked elsewhere. Of course he may have no ambitions to be a manager in his own right and be a guy happy working for someone else in a coaching role. If he does fancy being a manager though then I think he might have to look elsewhere to get the chance.

[J-C]

If a new man comes in I'd make Gray his assistant.

[hibee-boys]

If a new man comes in I'd make Gray his assistant.

If a new man comes in I’d want him to select the coaching team that he feels would help him achieve success. Could be wrong but it almost seems like David Gray forming part of the last 3 managers back room staff has been a non-negotiable from the club as a way of pandering to the fans. I want any job at hibs to be decided on actual merit, irrespective of what any individual has achieved at the club in the past.

[overdrive]

Although I don't want Gray as manager (mainly as I think it would be too much of a gamble), I don't get the "he's part of the problem, he's been involved in 3/4 failed management teams" argument. Nobody on here ever been in lower/middle management and got promoted when their boss has been shown the door? We've all had to do stuff at work that we don't necessarily agree with but you get on with it. He's not the main man in charge. The manager might say "right, I want the team to play with these tactics, go and do a training session that supports that" or the manager might even micro-manage and tell him to do a specific session.

I do think he needs a spell at another club before getting a shot as Hibs manager. Learn from his mistakes somewhere else.

[Chorley Hibee]

If a new man comes in I’d want him to select the coaching team that he feels would help him achieve success. Could be wrong but it almost seems like David Gray forming part of the last 3 managers back room staff has been a non-negotiable from the club as a way of pandering to the fans. I want any job at hibs to be decided on actual merit, irrespective of what any individual has achieved at the club in the past.

This!

[LustForLeith]

I still think of it wasn’t for the Scottish Cup winning goal he wouldn’t still be at the coach

[BoomtownHibees]

Reckon he could do us a turn at right back

[Jones28]

I still think of it wasn’t for the Scottish Cup winning goal he wouldn’t still be at the coach

We aren’t a charity. SDG is not a coach at Hibs because he scored one goal.

[Donegal Hibby]

Pep managed Barcelona B for a season, for all that's quite a step down from Barcelona's first team it is still a management job in it's own right in a competitive first team league (they were in the 3rd tier of Spanish football at the time I think and Pep got them promoted). I do take your point though.

I just think if he was going to get the job it would have happened by now. Since Ross we have appointed one rookie in Maloney and a guy not that much further on than the rookie stage in Montgomery. He's had a couple of decent auditions for it yet we have always looked elsewhere. Of course he may have no ambitions to be a manager in his own right and be a guy happy working for someone else in a coaching role. If he does fancy being a manager though then I think he might have to look elsewhere to get the chance.

Gray had only been in his coaching job at us roughly about 5 months when we appointed Maloney I think , he only lasted was it 4 months ?. LJ wasn't exactly in that long at us either so it was probably abit soon for SDG and we decided to go for a manager that had a good record of developing young players and that had some success.

I didn't realise he had a couple of auditions for the job , probably a bit too soon and maybe it still is though when you see how quickly things developed for Naismith at the other lot anythings possible I suppose.

If Monty were to go before the end of the season it will almost definitely be Gray who'll take over again and we would probably go thru a lengthy process again so seeing how Gray would do in that time would be another option for us . He hasn't done to bad any time he has been asked to takeover imo 👍

[blackpoolhibs]

Exactly and comments that he’s part of the problem from posters who have no idea what his role is or how much input he actually has are pretty poor imo. Or the idea that ‘cos he was a defender he must be defence coach :confused: Now some people may not necessarily see this as a ringing endorsement but our last 4 managers all view him as a good coach.

If posters don’t like the idea of him being our next manager based on his lack of experience in that role then fair enough. If they want to discuss the merits of our set pieces then again fair enough as it would at least be a conversation about his actual role in the coaching set up.

I don’t know if David Gray is the man to manage Hibs, appointing him would certainly be a bigger gamble than other names being mentioned and I’m not saying it’s what we should do, but I do believe he’d have done a better job than the last three managers.
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