Who is really responsible?

[ekhibee]

Okay, Montgomery has to take plenty of blame for how we've been playing recently, but I'm getting a bit sick of all this "there's a good team in there" crap that keeps coming out on this forum, as if they're less responsible. Too many players haven't performed consistently, and at times they really look like they don't give a ****. There were performances like that under Maloney and Johnson, and even though I think Montgomery has to take a fair share of the blame, on quite a few occasions the players attitude was all wrong IMO. And I hope that Bill Foley will have a beneficial effect pretty soon, because the people who are running the club are making mistakes when it comes to this part of the club. Obviously that's just my opinion, others might well see it differently.

[Winston Ingram]

Monty

[cabbageandribs1875]

Okay, Montgomery has to take plenty of blame for how we've been playing recently, but I'm getting a bit sick of all this "there's a good team in there" crap that keeps coming out on this forum, as if they're less responsible. Too many players haven't performed consistently, and at times they really look like they don't give a ****. There were performances like that under Maloney and Johnson, and even though I think Montgomery has to take a fair share of the blame, on quite a few occasions the players attitude was all wrong IMO. And I hope that Bill Foley will have a beneficial effect pretty soon, because the people who are running the club are making mistakes when it comes to this part of the club. Obviously that's just my opinion, others might well see it differently.



hey, i always have a right guid giggle when i see some folk proclaim "there's a player in there" :)

or "he's a baller" :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

Look up the way.

[Unseen work]

I just think it’s an overall naivety and sense of superiority amongst the club.

Turn our nose up at obvious players/managers.

Try play a certain way when it’s just not effective for this league

[Hibernia&Alba]

Ultimate responsibility always lies with those who make the big decisions. I put most of the blame on the board who keep appointing such poor managers. Their recent record of appointments is terrible.

[Jim44]

Okay, Montgomery has to take plenty of blame for how we've been playing recently, but I'm getting a bit sick of all this "there's a good team in there" crap that keeps coming out on this forum, as if they're less responsible. Too many players haven't performed consistently, and at times they really look like they don't give a ****. There were performances like that under Maloney and Johnson, and even though I think Montgomery has to take a fair share of the blame, on quite a few occasions the players attitude was all wrong IMO. And I hope that Bill Foley will have a beneficial effect pretty soon, because the people who are running the club are making mistakes when it comes to this part of the club. Obviously that's just my opinion, others might well see it differently.

There’s something really rancid about the ethos of our club, and it’s been there for years with the odd exception, which keeps our hopes alive. I think judgement day is looming.

[TrinityHFC]

The manager is responsible but so are the people who appointed him. I’ve been saying for ages his approach won’t work at Hibs. It is boring and also not effective. We want to watch fast attacking football. Might not always work but we’ve brought the wrong guy to the club. Doesn’t suit how we should play and we’ve created a position where the few good players we had are now so bad everyone would be happy to lose them.

[hibeerealist]

The manager is responsible but so are the people who appointed him. I’ve been saying for ages his approach won’t work at Hibs. It is boring and also not effective. We want to watch fast attacking football. Might not always work but we’ve brought the wrong guy to the club. Doesn’t suit how we should play and we’ve created a position where the few good players we had are now so bad everyone would be happy to lose them.


Sad but so true

[jeffers]

At the risk of boring everyone who has seen me post this already no managerial appointment at our level is without risk. Looks like we’ve got it wrong again. People can (rightly) criticise the players but today was down to Monty, selection, tactics and just general ponderous pish. No one is convincing me that we should be getting beat by St Mirren 3-0 at home.

It’s unbelievable but it’s looking like we’ve appointed someone worse than Johnson.

[CL0762]

The manager is responsible but so are the people who appointed him. I’ve been saying for ages his approach won’t work at Hibs. It is boring and also not effective. We want to watch fast attacking football. Might not always work but we’ve brought the wrong guy to the club. Doesn’t suit how we should play and we’ve created a position where the few good players we had are now so bad everyone would be happy to lose them.

It’s not even about fast attacking football for me anymore.

There is absolutely zero grit, zero desire, zero urgency about this squad of players.

We went 1-0 down and there was no reaction. We went 2-0 down and there was still no reaction.

It’s nigh on criminal at this level to have accumulated a squad full of weak characters who absolutely shrivel the second a goal is conceded.

[The Modfather]

Okay, Montgomery has to take plenty of blame for how we've been playing recently, but I'm getting a bit sick of all this "there's a good team in there" crap that keeps coming out on this forum, as if they're less responsible. Too many players haven't performed consistently, and at times they really look like they don't give a ****. There were performances like that under Maloney and Johnson, and even though I think Montgomery has to take a fair share of the blame, on quite a few occasions the players attitude was all wrong IMO. And I hope that Bill Foley will have a beneficial effect pretty soon, because the people who are running the club are making mistakes when it comes to this part of the club. Obviously that's just my opinion, others might well see it differently.

We’ve got a spine of the team that’s poor, goes into it’s shell at the first sign of adversity and struggles to win the individual battles or do the basics (defending crosses and passing).

Until we have a proper spine we’ll continue to churn through managers whoever they are.

No matter how much folk say we’ve had/got a good squad I’ll forever see a direct correlation between making a spine of the team from Marshall, Hanlon/Rocky/Fish, Newell/Levitt/Campbell/JDH, ALF/Vente (one is 37 and the other doesn’t have the all round game to play as a focal point in his own IMO)

[cabbageandribs1875]

we have great hospitality though

[Jones28]

The manager.

He’s taken Johnson’s team backwards, at least he had the mitigation of European football taking its toll.

[Hibees1973]

Sad but so true

When I see your post and photo of Pat Stanton resplendent in an iconic 1973 Hibs shirt it saddens me even more.

I expect Pat was at the game today and he will be feeling the same as us tonight.

The Gordons, Kensell, Montgomery and a whole load of others at Hibs just now are ripping the heart out of the club.

[Smartie]

I just think it’s an overall naivety and sense of superiority amongst the club.

Turn our nose up at obvious players/managers.

Try play a certain way when it’s just not effective for this league

I agree.

Since the Gordons came in there’s been plentiful trash talk about us stepping up a level, spending more money and succeeding where others haven’t. It’s been sneering, naive, complacent and hopelessly misplaced as poor decision has been allowed to follow poor decision.

Monty needs to take his share of the blame and I already have pretty much zero confidence in his ability to learn from his mistakes or put a cohesive team together. I fundamentally disagree with a lot of what he does in a football sense but if we punted him I have next to no confidence that the sequence of ineptitude won’t continue beyond that. There are also issues we can only really speculate on - such as, were there enough players fit and available to play today that meant we had credible alternatives in the centre of midfield or down our right side.

The football department at the club is a shambles and I can’t help but think it needs the sort of reset that is normally only instigated by relegation.

[James70]

We have never learnt the lesson that signing a whole batch of loan players never ends well.

[WhileTheChief..]

Start at the top and work your way down.

They maybe have the best of intentions, but there’s no one to set the standards or culture, and they’re severely lacking in ability.

BK has to go, there can’t be any doubt about that anymore.

IG doesn’t have to be involved at all. He could fly back to the states and let the Board and new CEO get on with things. Or sell up and let us go our separate ways.

[jeffers]

When I see your post and photo of Pat Stanton resplendent in an iconic 1973 Hibs shirt it saddens me even more.

I expect Pat was at the game today and he will be feeling the same as us tonight.

The Gordons, Kensell, Montgomery and a whole load of others at Hibs just now are ripping the heart out of the club.

Can’t agree with your last sentence at all.

We are increasing revenue, spending more than ever before on wages and transfer fees. We have attracted major investment from a billionaire. We are constantly getting it wrong with the managers we appoint, but that happened regularly with Petrie while Tom Farmer was our owner too.

[supermcginn]

The players mostly, they are a mixture of poor and lazy but the manager is really a joke.

[K-Zazu]

Whoever interviewed Montgomery

[Saint Hibee]

Ian Gordon, Ben Kensall. They’re the ones who appoint this never-ending parade of clowns.

[Scotty Leither]

Whoever interviewed Montgomery

The same incompetents who swallowed Johnson's BS, and appointed Maloney who had taken a couple of training sessions with Belgium. I'll venture that Montgomery got the job on the back of a reference from his mate Postecoglu, and that ultimately he was also the cheapest one available.

There's no more money getting spent by the Gordons either, that's sticking out a mile.

[Northernhibee]

Can’t agree with your last sentence at all.

We are increasing revenue, spending more than ever before on wages and transfer fees. We have attracted major investment from a billionaire. We are constantly getting it wrong with the managers we appoint, but that happened regularly with Petrie while Tom Farmer was our owner too.

I love going to watch a balance sheet.

[jeffers]

The same incompetents who swallowed Johnson's BS, and appointed Maloney who had taken a couple of training sessions with Belgium. I'll venture that Montgomery got the job on the back of a reference from his mate Postecoglu, and that ultimately he was also the cheapest one available.

There's no more money getting spent by the Gordons either, that's sticking out a mile.

The same people haven’t appointed Johnson, Maloney and Monty though.

[Pretty Boy]

Hibs as a club are a bit like the mate many people have. Always determined to be a bit different or ignore the obvious even when it is staring them right in the face.

No matter how many times it all goes wrong the arrogance remains that we still know best. For all we slag Hearts for arrogance we are every bit as bad if not worse. There were at least 2 or 3 obviously better candidates than Montgomery and before him Johnson and Maloney but we ignored that to try to be the extrovert smart ***** who are so out there and different.

[jeffers]

I love going to watch a balance sheet.

When we had no shirt sponsor the club were getting slated for that. We are putting ourself in much better position to succeed on the pitch. We just need to stop screwing up the managerial appointments.

[The Captain....]

The manager has enough at his disposal to be doing much better than he is. A lot of the wounds are self inflicted. He takes the majority of the blame for failing to implement a system that suits the players he has available.

The squad building is haphazard and ignores time and again the ingredients required to succeed in Scottish football. A reasonably strong and experienced spine, full backs who are comfortable going forward and defending, a leader in the middle of the park. In short a structure that earns your better/skillful players the right to play. We have ignored that and continually chucked in increasingly desperate hail mary signings hoping they are the silver bullet. When they don't perform they are shipped out on loan and the next batch are moved in en masse. Repeat ad nauseum. That culture is set at the top as I doubt any manager would be happy with it. There is the nagging feeling that the balance between being a vehicle for player trading profit and on pitch success is fatally skewed in the former. There is no continuity or consistency to allow for the latter.

The blame is shared in different areas imo but the path the club is on is really starting to worry me. That's set from the owner and I don't feel we have a strong one who knows what's required.

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[Hibs90]

Kensell
Gordon
McDermott
Monty
Players

In that order.

[Jones28]

Kensell
Gordon
McDermott
Monty
Players

In that order.

The players on the pitch and he manager that put them there are bottom of your list?

[Northernhibee]

When we had no shirt sponsor the club were getting slated for that. We are putting ourself in much better position to succeed on the pitch. We just need to stop screwing up the managerial appointments.

Nah, not having that. There are clubs in the league who have much lower income, spend a lot less money than us, and are much better than us.

In his video announcing a DoF, Big Ego Ben said how the DoF would answer to him. If BK was only involved in the commercial side of things then fair enough, but as he appears to be responsible for things overall and we’ve made several **** appointments at the club, spent huge money on absolute dross, and gone backwards since we sacked Ross I’d be doing cartwheels if he was to go. We might start healing and moving forward then.

[Baldy Foghorn]

See if players don't want to fight for the jersey, don't put it on in the 1st place.

[Northernhibee]

Kensell
Gordon
McDermott
Monty
Players

In that order.

Absolutely spot on. The fish rots from the head.

[Hibs90]

The players on the pitch and he manager that put them there are bottom of your list?

Evidently, Kensell and Gordon have failed on the football side. They put these structures or whatever they are meant to be in place. They are in charge of the club day to day. They hired McDermott probably as a deflection tactic to take the heat off themselves. McDermott has obviously been heavily involved in hiring Monty, so when he gets sacked Ben can just say it wasn't his appointment blah blah.

He runs the club, buck stops with him. Off the field doesn't matter if the club is massively regressing on the pitch year on year. I'm also not letting Monty/Players off the hook here, they could and should be doing much better.

[jeffers]

Nah, not having that. There are clubs in the league who have much lower income, spend a lot less money than us, and are much better than us.

In his video announcing a DoF, Big Ego Ben said how the DoF would answer to him. If BK was only involved in the commercial side of things then fair enough, but as he appears to be responsible for things overall and we’ve made several **** appointments at the club, spent huge money on absolute dross, and gone backwards since we sacked Ross I’d be doing cartwheels if he was to go. We might start healing and moving forward then.

So you don’t think increasing revenue gives us a better chance of bringing in better quality players ? All I hear about is how Hearts have a huge financial advantage over us. We are trying to bridge that gap.

Who would you expect the DoF to answer to ?

And let me be clear Kensell isn’t blameless.

[Scotty Leither]

The same people haven’t appointed Johnson, Maloney and Monty though.

Kensell and Gordon are a constant, unless I've missed something?

[LustForLeith]

Whoever interviewed Montgomery

Wasn’t this done in Dubai? Another wee jolly

[LewysGot2]

See if players don't want to fight for the jersey, don't put it on in the 1st place.

Indeed.

No point bringing in “better players” if they don’t care about the club long term. We’ve been there before.

[Northernhibee]

So you don’t think increasing revenue gives us a better chance of bringing in better quality players ? All I hear about is how Hearts have a huge financial advantage over us. We are trying to bridge that gap.

Who would you expect the DoF to answer to ?

And let me be clear Kensell isn’t blameless.

We’ve increased revenue and gotten much worse on the pitch, in the dugout, all over the place. As I say, if his role was just to bring in more money then he’d be doing a good job but as it is his time at the club should be up IMO.

[jeffers]

Kensell and Gordon are a constant, unless I've missed something?

They were involved with Maloney and Johnson but without knowing who had overall responsibility Kensell is too easy a target imo. As I’ve posted a number of times he recognised the football side of things weren’t working and pushed for a DoF to be appointed. Monty strikes me as a BMcD appointment.

[Tambo]

It's a mixture of the board, the manager and the players.

If Monty is staying then after today I think we might see a different approach, if not then it won't be long before the gtf chants, surprisingly never happened today.

I will probably end up booking anyway but after another performance like that I feel why bother spending so much money for a train ticket and hotel for a few nights.

That's me booked up for Livingston in march.