Sack the board

[Hibs90]

Years of failure on the pitch where it matters.

[jamie_1875]

How do you sack the board though? They aren't going anywhere soon with this investment that's about to come in.

[Since452]

Horrendous decision appointing Montgomery. Poor decision after poor decision on the manager front. When does bad luck become incompetence?

[Hibs90]

How do you sack the board though? They aren't going anywhere soon with this investment that's about to come in.

The owners need to look at those running the football department from top to bottom. That starts with the CEO.

Commercially fine but the only thing that matters is the results on the pitch. He has failed in that respect and if Monty is to be punted do you honestly trust him or anyone else at the club to get the right manager in? I don’t.

[Northernhibee]

The club has gone to **** on the pitch since STF sold up. Jack Ross somehow gets third and we fail to back him adequately imo, then sack him.

[chrisski33]

Horrendous decision appointing Montgomery. Poor decision after poor decision on the manager front. When does bad luck become incompetence?

Your being proven right about Monty so fair doos to you for calling him out so early

[Since452]

Your being proven right about Monty so fair doos to you for calling him out so early

It's not a thing I'd like to be right about unfortunately

[Swedish hibee]

We've signed half a new team. Rome wasn't built in a day, St mirren are good. We're not. We have to get behind this new squad regardless our opinions on Montgomery (and I have a few!)

[jamie_1875]

The owners need to look at those running the football department from top to bottom. That starts with the CEO.

Commercially fine but the only thing that matters is the results on the pitch. He has failed in that respect and if Monty is to be punted do you honestly trust him or anyone else at the club to get the right manager in? I don’t.

I can't decide if we are just really unlucky or as you suggest we just have the wrong people in charge. On paper the likes of Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery probably all deserved a chance but all have been poor.

The board aren't going anywhere, Montgomery might be after today.

[Just_Jimmy]

The club has gone to **** on the pitch since STF sold up. Jack Ross somehow gets third and we fail to back him adequately imo, then sack him.If we'd spent the money we have with Ross, we'd still be competing. We've blown millions on utter dross both in the dugout and the pitch.

Hibs are a disgrace.

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[chrisski33]

We've signed half a new team. Rome wasn't built in a day, St mirren are good. We're not. We have to get behind this new squad regardless our opinions on Montgomery (and I have a few!)

Think as fans we have been behind the squad for too long. The board needs revamping. Too much fancy social posts and nothing being improved on the pitch.

[AugustaHibs]

We've signed half a new team. Rome wasn't built in a day, St mirren are good. We're not. We have to get behind this new squad regardless our opinions on Montgomery (and I have a few!)

Put the bevy down

[Hibs90]

Horrendous decision appointing Montgomery. Poor decision after poor decision on the manager front. When does bad luck become incompetence?

Well I’ve turned after this.

Fair play for seeing it early.

This is an absolutely disgusting performance

[Northernhibee]

If we'd spent the money we have with Ross, we'd still be competing. We've blown millions on utter dross both in the dugout and the pitch.

Hibs are a disgrace.

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An absolute basket case of a club run by someone who wouldn’t even last a week on The Apprentice.

[AugustaHibs]

Sums it up when our fans are justifying this as st Mirren are ‘good’.

[Crab apple]

This one is on Montgomery. Persist with this formation and we'll get moŕe performances like today. Newell and Levitt don't work. Levitt has the heart of a mouse and the pace of a snail. St Mirren exoloiting our inexperienced right back. I've not been been as angry as this at half time for many years.

[Hibs90]

This one is on Montgomery. Persist with this formation and we'll get moŕe performances like today. Newell and Levitt don't work. Levitt has the heart of a mouse and the pace of a snail. St Mirren exoloiting our inexperienced right back. I've not been been as angry as this at half time for many years.

Who hired Monty? Then who hired the guy that appointed Monty?

[Se7enUp]

I can't decide if we are just really unlucky or as you suggest we just have the wrong people in charge. On paper the likes of Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery probably all deserved a chance but all have been poor.

The board aren't going anywhere, Montgomery might be after today.

It's not "just unlucky" to not register a shot before h/t vs St Mirren at home.

[chrisski33]

Bring back Petrie!!

[Northernhibee]

Bring back Petrie!!

Would take it if offered.

[Crab apple]

Who hired Monty? Then who hired the guy that appointed Monty?

You're in a fantasy world. Unfortunately boards tend not to get sacked. Managers who dont perform rightly get the boot.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Bring back Petrie!!

Can’t believe I’m saying this… that’d be great.


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[Pretty Boy]

Monty is clueless but this board, or rather those in executive positions, specialise in making terrible appointments.

Yet another manger will pay the price, and arguably rightly so, but the next appointment will suffer the same fate if the same people are making the decisions.

It's laughably bad.

[Hibees1973]

The problem we now have is Kensell & The Gordons have continued to dig us into a bigger hole the longer they have been here. We are in this thing with Foley on their watch and I have been a huge sceptic that Kensell & Ian Gordon took us down this path.

Based on previous decisions made by these two, how on earth can we be assured they make the correct calls. A Wine Seller appointing himself as Head of Recruitment. After this there was no going back for me.

On another thread I got pelters for stating I do not trust these guys to make the correct decisions for the club I have supported for over 50 years.

With each passing day with Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell in charge of things I fear for the long term future of Hibs.

[lyonhibs]

It's not "just unlucky" to not register a shot before h/t vs St Mirren at home.

If we played this game after every ***** performance at home, we'd have a new CEO and board every 3 months.

This one falls squarely on Montgomerie's shoulders

[SickBoy32]

Years of failure on the pitch where it matters.

I thought it was notable and alarming when Ian Gordon (in his recent statement) referenced ‘off field success’ , and ‘on field success’ - independently of each other. For me, success for HFC comes through a triumph on the park. I have no interest whatsoever in claiming increased sponsorship figures as a success.

We are a football club, we have success on the park.

Unfortunately I doubt he has the awareness to sack Kensell, and nothing will improve until this happens.

[Scotty Leither]

I thought it was notable and alarming when Ian Gordon (in his recent statement) referenced ‘off field success’ , and ‘on field success’ - independently of each other. For me, success for HFC comes through a triumph on the park. I have no interest whatsoever in claiming increased sponsorship figures as a success.

We are a football club, we have success on the park.

Unfortunately I doubt he has the awareness to sack Kensell, and nothing will improve until this happens.

I’m hoping Foley and co will be wielding more power behind the scenes than they’re letting on. 3 wins at home with a constant churn of loan players and laddies will see us struggling to stay out of the bottom three rather than aspire to top three, that’s for sure, and hopefully will not be tolerated by the new investors.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I thought it was notable and alarming when Ian Gordon (in his recent statement) referenced ‘off field success’ , and ‘on field success’ - independently of each other. For me, success for HFC comes through a triumph on the park. I have no interest whatsoever in claiming increased sponsorship figures as a success.

We are a football club, we have success on the park.

Unfortunately I doubt he has the awareness to sack Kensell, and nothing will improve until this happens.

Flip it - what’s the link between success on the park and increased revenues? (STs, Hospitality, Sponsorship) from your perspective? Is there none? What if we’d not updated the hopsitality/ bars what’s it we’d not improved commercials like sponsorship.

my take is they are connected. And important. We don’t want to lose players - how do we retain them if we have insufficient funds?

[AL-Qaholik]

Flip it - what’s the link between success on the park and increased revenues? (STs, Hospitality, Sponsorship) from your perspective? Is there none? What if we’d not updated the hopsitality/ bars what’s it we’d not improved commercials like sponsorship.

my take is they are connected. And important. We don’t want to lose players - how do we retain them if we have insufficient funds?

Which of these players do you want to retain?
I’ll wait…

[jeffers]

Flip it - what’s the link between success on the park and increased revenues? (STs, Hospitality, Sponsorship) from your perspective? Is there none? What if we’d not updated the hopsitality/ bars what’s it we’d not improved commercials like sponsorship.

my take is they are connected. And important. We don’t want to lose players - how do we retain them if we have insufficient funds?

Amazed that folk can’t see this. Just cos it isn’t working now doesn’t mean it never will.

[mcfly]

As a footballing club we are a laughing stock and a joke

No direction, no leadership, no progress.

Yet another rebuild they’ll expect fans to buy into.

It’s embarrassing and gutless. All of the footballing side of hibs today should be ashamed

[Greensunshine]

Horrendous decision appointing Montgomery. Poor decision after poor decision on the manager front. When does bad luck become incompetence?

Saw his interview after the game and I’ve got to say, he doesn’t fill me with confidence that he can turn this around. He looked absolutely bewildered and just blethers the same old reteric.
I’m not one for sacking managers but I’m beginning to think we should just cut our losses now.

[cubehindthegoal]

If we played this game after every ***** performance at home, we'd have a new CEO and board every 3 months.

This one falls squarely on Montgomerie's shoulders

You don’t see the irony in that ?

[SickBoy32]

Flip it - what’s the link between success on the park and increased revenues? (STs, Hospitality, Sponsorship) from your perspective? Is there none? What if we’d not updated the hopsitality/ bars what’s it we’d not improved commercials like sponsorship.

my take is they are connected. And important. We don’t want to lose players - how do we retain them if we have insufficient funds?

I can see absolutely no link between increased revenues and success on the park, if anything I see the opposite. (Plenty examples elsewhere of good commercial operations not translating to a good team on the pitch - there is shades of Man Utd about us under this ownership, too much focus off the park and utter neglect on it)

What I have seen is numerous decent Hibs teams put together on smaller budgets.

This mob have absolutely no idea what they are doing, that is the owners, Kensell, McDermott and it unfortunately looks like the manager too.

We are in some mess.

[Northernhibee]

I can see absolutely no link between increased revenues and success on the park, if anything I see the opposite. (Plenty examples elsewhere of good commercial operations not translating to a good team on the pitch - there is shades of Man Utd about us under this ownership, too much focus off the park and utter neglect on it)

What I have seen is numerous decent Hibs teams put together on smaller budgets.

This mob have absolutely no idea what they are doing, that is the owners, Kensell, McDermott and it unfortunately looks like the manager too.

We are in some mess.
I honestly think we could have Klopp in and with the aforementioned b-grade Apprentice candidates in charge nothing would change.


We’re absolutely rudderless just now.

[KeithTheHibby]

Years of failure on the pitch where it matters.

Have a word.

[Northernhibee]

Have a word.

Why? Since STF sold up we managed a third placed finish under Jack Ross then embarked on the most ridiculous club strategy of signing young players with hype but no knowledge of the league (almost all have turned out to be failures), spent big money on Vente, Youan, Levitt, reportedly had Chris Mueller on big wages quite incredibly, and are burning through managers at an alarming rate.

Yes more money is coming in, yes more money is being spent, but does anyone think we’re better off where it counts on the pitch?

[sean04]

There's a AGM next month, looking at the fixture list over the next week that could be poisonous

[ozwoody]

How do you sack the board though? They aren't going anywhere soon with this investment that's about to come in.

I think BK, despite saying they will have no say, will have put in KPI's across the board to protect they're investment, and Ben will have to abide by those as well or else he will be gone.

[big gogs]

Horrendous decision appointing Montgomery. Poor decision after poor decision on the manager front. When does bad luck become incompetence?
Nobody knows if a manager is going to be successful before appointing him,it’s a hit and miss situation.all I heard yesterday was ,the club must appoint a manager with knowledge of the Scottish game,we’ve had managers with knowledge of the Scottish game,and most never lasted long.any manager will fail if his players don’t seem interested.yesterday for example.that game amung many others.will n.m.get time ,we don’t know.bill foley will not invest his millions ,if things aren’t going his way,the man is not used to failure.

[sean]

Nobody knows if a manager is going to be successful before appointing him,it’s a hit and miss situation.all I heard yesterday was ,the club must appoint a manager with knowledge of the Scottish game,we’ve had managers with knowledge of the Scottish game,and most never lasted long.any manager will fail if his players don’t seem interested.yesterday for example.that game amung many others.will n.m.get time ,we don’t know.bill foley will not invest his millions ,if things aren’t going his way,the man is not used to failure.

Any managerial appointment is a risk of course but I’d like to play the percentages as they say.

If Hibs appointed Derek Mcinness and it didn’t work out I couldn’t blame the board there was strong evidence he’d be a sucess with his previous jobs at saints, dons and currently going well at Killie.

What I can’t accept is continued outside the box thinking on managers. You may occasionally unearth a gem but that’s not happened since mogga.

We’ve tried 2 managers in the last 3 who literally have never managed or in a lot small league.

We are a big club in Scottish terms, the pressure can be massive and the the manager has got to be able to handle all that.

We’ve been crying out for expirence across the management team and playing staff.

[we are hibs]

There are far too many people at the club who are too comfortable and happy just picking up a wage every week without taking any responsibility. The whole club feels like and has felt like it's in a malaise for a few years now and that's reflected on the park. Leaderless, lethargic and no urgency to make things happen. In a comfort zone and let's hope that Foley comes in and shakes a few up on and off the park because it's desperately needed before it gets worse because it absolutely can get worse as 10 years ago told us all.



I actually think the board and the likes of Kensell and Ian Gordon have got off with it pretty lightly as if some of the stuff that's happened in the last 3 years had happened under Petrie there would've been protests outside the west on a few occasions. But there has been none of that other than a few people moaning online and the scenes in Andorra but that was more directed at Johnson and the players. Perhaps the malaise has set in amongst the support too.

[Barney McGrew]

There's a AGM next month, looking at the fixture list over the next week that could be poisonous

They’ll bin Montgomery just before it to take the heat off themselves.

However, the fact that we put someone who’s previous football experience was all from the commercial part of the club into a CEO position in the first place tells you all about what’s important to the people in charge right now. As long as he keeps hospitality full, he’s Teflon.

Three failed managerial appointments in two years under his watch and yet he seems to be devoid of all accountability. It’s bonkers.

[Since452]

Saw his interview after the game and I’ve got to say, he doesn’t fill me with confidence that he can turn this around. He looked absolutely bewildered and just blethers the same old reteric.
I’m not one for sacking managers but I’m beginning to think we should just cut our losses now.

His interviews are becoming as embarrassing as the performances on the park. Entering Cathro territory.

"I don't accept that and the players don't accept that, but I have to accept that"

Fans of other teams are lapping it up. Says it all

[MelbourneHibees]

I’m hoping Foley and co will be wielding more power behind the scenes than they’re letting on. 3 wins at home with a constant churn of loan players and laddies will see us struggling to stay out of the bottom three rather than aspire to top three, that’s for sure, and hopefully will not be tolerated by the new investors.
If its fewer loan players you are after then you are going to be significantly disappointed with Foley.

[sleeping giant]

Years of failure on the pitch where it matters.

What board members would you sack ?

[Scotty Leither]

There's a AGM next month, looking at the fixture list over the next week that could be poisonous

MacPherson will probably ban all talk on football matters.

[Baldy Foghorn]

MacPherson will probably ban all talk on football matters.

It'll be the usual, shut down questioning. I think it will be a fiery encounter, but they'll realise this and talk about off field successes

[Pretty Boy]

It'll be the usual, shut down questioning. I think it will be a fiery encounter, but they'll realise this and talk about off field successes

I said on another thread that the Foley investment will take up a huge chunk of the time.

For multiple reasons those present from the club will be delighted with that as it will limit the time for questions from the floor on other matters. The AGMs have been timid affairs in recent times and this month will be no different.

It's arguably not the right time for anger or criticism about football matters but equally it's probably the only chance your rank and file fan gets to question those running the club so if it happens then so be it.

[Golden Bear]

Amazed that folk can’t see this. Just cos it isn’t working now doesn’t mean it never will.

:agree:

Having said that, there's been very few signs of gradual improvement under Monty.

[WhileTheChief..]

Flip it - what’s the link between success on the park and increased revenues? (STs, Hospitality, Sponsorship) from your perspective? Is there none? What if we’d not updated the hopsitality/ bars what’s it we’d not improved commercials like sponsorship.

my take is they are connected. And important. We don’t want to lose players - how do we retain them if we have insufficient funds?

Erm, yes, we definitely do!!!

I'd happily see our entire squad replaced this summer. None of them are good enough.

[jeffers]

:agree:

Having said that, there's been very few signs of gradual improvement under Monty.

I agree, but this whole sack the board chat is OTT imo. I’d wager half the people saying it couldn’t even tell you who makes up the board. It regularly changes and we will see two from the BK group join it shortly. Every time we go through a bad spell it’s the same stuff, sack the board, somethings fundamentally wrong at the club. The trouble is we keep getting it wrong with the most important appointment of them all, but if we do get that right all the offield stuff we are doing will put ourselves in a great position to take advantage of that.

[Greenio]

The club has gone to **** on the pitch since STF sold up. Jack Ross somehow gets third and we fail to back him adequately imo, then sack him.

Thing is, it was the fans that really got JR sacked, Ron felt that pressure and its easier to pull the the trigger and sacrifice someone than it is to win back a fanbase once they have turned.

It's what's happening now.

[Hibbyradge]

I agree, but this whole sack the board chat is OTT imo. I’d wager half the people saying it couldn’t even tell you who makes up the board. It regularly changes and we will see two from the BK group join it shortly. Every time we go through a bad spell it’s the same stuff, sack the board, somethings fundamentally wrong at the club. The trouble is we keep getting it wrong with the most important appointment of them all, but if we do get that right all the offield stuff we are doing will put ourselves in a great position to take advantage of that.

Sense at last.

[KWJ]

Any managerial appointment is a risk of course but I’d like to play the percentages as they say.

If Hibs appointed Derek Mcinness and it didn’t work out I couldn’t blame the board there was strong evidence he’d be a sucess with his previous jobs at saints, dons and currently going well at Killie.

What I can’t accept is continued outside the box thinking on managers. You may occasionally unearth a gem but that’s not happened since mogga.

We’ve tried 2 managers in the last 3 who literally have never managed or in a lot small league.

We are a big club in Scottish terms, the pressure can be massive and the the manager has got to be able to handle all that.

We’ve been crying out for expirence across the management team and playing staff.

Tend to agree with this now but there just doesn't seem to be that many experienced managers about who you'd trust to get through a run of bad results. Even less when you add in the expectancy for some attacking football.

[KWJ]

Thing is, it was the fans that really got JR sacked, Ron felt that pressure and its easier to pull the the trigger and sacrifice someone than it is to win back a fanbase once they have turned.

It's what's happening now.

Exactly. And Ross had that little bit of faith to turn it around with a decent amount of fans because he'd done it before with us and had a better CV than NM. The DU job may have stuffed it for him.

Stephen Robinson doesn't excite me but he could be another worthy of sticking by through a bad spell. Considering adding NL into that mix, what would've happened if we'd stuck with him. But there were no glimmers back then, it was brutal and he even looked like he'd chucked it.

[MelbourneHibees]

It's scary to consider how much money the board has wasted paying off managers over the last 6 or so years.

[Since452]

I wonder what Ron would have made of the latest car crash.

[superfurryhibby]

Thing is, it was the fans that really got JR sacked, Ron felt that pressure and its easier to pull the the trigger and sacrifice someone than it is to win back a fanbase once they have turned.

It's what's happening now.

The board didn't back Ross properly in that summer's transfer window and the team slipped into a dire run of form. Cause and effect.

Blaming fans is easier than pointing the finger at the the mismanagement of the football part of the Hibs business. It's been a downward trajectory ever since and that isn't due to the fans, Ron Gordon was using fans as an excuse for his own questionable decision making.

[Since452]

The board didn't back Ross properly in that summer's transfer window and the team slipped into a dire run of form. Cause and effect.

Blaming fans is easier than pointing the finger at the the mismanagement of the football part of the Hibs business. It's been a downward trajectory ever since and that isn't due to the fans, Ron Gordon was using fans as an excuse for his own questionable decision making.

Yup. And later admitted he made a mistake. We've been paying the price ever since other than a pretty decent second half of last season.

[Pretty Boy]

Yup. And later admitted he made a mistake. We've been paying the price ever since other than a pretty decent second half of last season.

An element of it was personal when it came to Ross. He openly and very forcefully called out the recruitment and those in positions above him after we lost in the Czech Republic.

That was never going to sit well with those making the decisions and it was a matter of when not if he was sacked from that point on.

[SickBoy32]

An element of it was personal when it came to Ross. He openly and very forcefully called out the recruitment and those in positions above him after we lost in the Czech Republic.

That was never going to sit well with those making the decisions and it was a matter of when not if he was sacked from that point on.

Spot on (other than the game being in Croatia!) :)

See the yes men that have followed as further evidence of the manager needing to play the game with regards our executives - Kensell (and by the looks of it Ian Gordon too) wouldn’t have the balls to appoint a Lennon or McInnes type.

[Alex Trager]

I agree, but this whole sack the board chat is OTT imo. I’d wager half the people saying it couldn’t even tell you who makes up the board. It regularly changes and we will see two from the BK group join it shortly. Every time we go through a bad spell it’s the same stuff, sack the board, somethings fundamentally wrong at the club. The trouble is we keep getting it wrong with the most important appointment of them all, but if we do get that right all the offield stuff we are doing will put ourselves in a great position to take advantage of that.
I reckon that the sack the board chat is directed solely at those making footballing decisions.

The footballing decisions have been bad for a while now.

As you yourself have said, the managers hired have been wrong.

The gaping hole in the team remains unaddressed since we missed out on Jamie McCart.

How do we encourage the change that is desired?

I have no idea.

[Since452]

An element of it was personal when it came to Ross. He openly and very forcefully called out the recruitment and those in positions above him after we lost in the Czech Republic.

That was never going to sit well with those making the decisions and it was a matter of when not if he was sacked from that point on.

Yeah that's true.

[Alex Trager]

I agree, but this whole sack the board chat is OTT imo. I’d wager half the people saying it couldn’t even tell you who makes up the board. It regularly changes and we will see two from the BK group join it shortly. Every time we go through a bad spell it’s the same stuff, sack the board, somethings fundamentally wrong at the club. The trouble is we keep getting it wrong with the most important appointment of them all, but if we do get that right all the offield stuff we are doing will put ourselves in a great position to take advantage of that.
I reckon that the sack the board chat is directed solely at those making footballing decisions.

The footballing decisions have been bad for a while now.

As you yourself have said, the managers hired have been wrong.

The gaping hole in the team remains unaddressed since we missed out on Jamie McCart.

How do we encourage the change that is desired?

I have no idea.

Kensell picks up over £300K a year and under his watch we have hired three managers. Looks like we may sack the third. For me, he has to bear responsibility for that.

I agree with you that it is madness to dismiss the success off the park and pretend like growing the club in that way somehow makes the first team weaker. It doesn’t. It just so happens that when the club has been grown like that, the first team has nosedived.

Kensell and the Gordon’s (and a few players) are the constant here.

[Pretty Boy]

I reckon that the sack the board chat is directed solely at those making footballing decisions.

The footballing decisions have been bad for a while now.

As you yourself have said, the managers hired have been wrong.

The gaping hole in the team remains unaddressed since we missed out on Jamie McCart.

How do we encourage the change that is desired?

I have no idea.

Kensell picks up over £300K a year and under his watch we have hired three managers. Looks like we may sack the third. For me, he has to bear responsibility for that.

I agree with you that it is madness to dismiss the success off the park and pretend like growing the club in that way somehow makes the first team weaker. It doesn’t. It just so happens that when the club has been grown like that, the first team has nosedived.

Kensell and the Gordon’s (and a few players) are the constant here.

Yep surely people are aware that sack the board is just a well worn football trope and is really aimed at those making day to day decisions rather than people calling out non execs who really have little to do with making major decisions on a regular basis.

Fwiw I think you absolutely have to give the current incumbents credit for the off field job, to dismiss it is churlish. Equally though I think it's fair to question their track record on a whole host of football decisions and discuss whether they are the best people to maximise success from increased revenue and investment. 3 bad managerial appointments in a row and a squad that is all over the place as a result suggests to me it is fair to ask if a fresh pair of eyes with new ideas may get more from the money available.

[jeffers]

Yep surely people are aware that sack the board is just a well worn football trope and is really aimed at those making day to day decisions rather than people calling out non execs who really have little to do with making major decisions on a regular basis.

Fwiw I think you absolutely have to give the current incumbents credit for the off field job, to dismiss it is churlish. Equally though I think it's fair to question their track record on a whole host of football decisions and discuss whether they are the best people to maximise success from increased revenue and investment. 3 bad managerial appointments in a row and a squad that is all over the place as a result suggests to me it is fair to ask if a fresh pair of eyes with new ideas may get more from the money available.

So who are we talking about ? Kensell, Ian Gordon and BMcD ? I get the arguments about Kensell, but Ian Gordon is our de facto owner and BMcD hasn’t even been in the role for a year. Have fans already made up their mind about BMcD ?

[Pretty Boy]

So who are we talking about ? Kensell, Ian Gordon and BMcD ? I get the arguments about Kensell, but Ian Gordon is our de facto owner and BMcD hasn’t even been in the role for a year. Have fans already made up their mind about BMcD ?

I can't speak for other but for me Kensell is the one I think there are most questions around as he ultimately has overall responsibility for the day to day running of the club and undeniable success in one area usually doesn't cover for abject failure in another when judging people in such roles.

The shelf life of a CEO in football is generally relatively short anyway so it wouldn't surprise me to see him move on in the next couple of years anyway, particularly as he may see the added income and investment as job done so to speak. A lot of that becomes maintenance now and maybe someone more football focussed is better for the role as it evolves into building a clear 3rd force on the park, particularly as we have capable people directly responsible for a lot of the commercial stuff such as advertising and hospitality.

[jeffers]

I can't speak for other but for me Kensell is the one I think there are most questions around as he ultimately has overall responsibility for the day to day running of the club and undeniable success in one area usually doesn't cover for abject failure in another when judging people in such roles.

The shelf life of a CEO in football is generally relatively short anyway so it wouldn't surprise me to see him move on in the next couple of years anyway, particularly as he may see the added income and investment as job done so to speak. A lot of that becomes maintenance now and maybe someone more football focussed is better for the role as it evolves into building a clear 3rd force on the park, particularly as we have capable people directly responsible for a lot of the commercial stuff such as advertising and hospitality.

I genuinely don’t know how much input he has regarding the “football” decisions but as I say I get the argument that BK as CEO will be seen as having the overall responsibility. I’d still argue that having the owner’s son as head of recruitment put him in a difficult position. If we find someone better than him to take over as part of the investment I’m all for it.

[ChuckNor]

I think it has become abundantly clear that these two charlatans have no idea what they are doing. The rapid descent out football club has taken since Ben Kensell’s appointment as chief executive is startling. From well run to an absolute joke. Commercial results are all well and good, but I don’t cheer balance sheets I celebrate the product on the pitch.

We have been told that this investment from Bill Foley will be a game changer for Hibs. Ben Kensell and the Gordon’s have been working on said investment. As of yesterday, the last modicum of trust I had that either Gordon or Kensell are capable of making a sound, rational decision that benefits our club evaporated. I do not trust the investment coming in and believe we as a fan base should be demanding more information before it is too late.

Am I alone on that front? Are there any other fans out there now concerned about what could come next given Kensell’s track record of utter failure?

[Keepthefaith]

There is nothing that could be added here that is any different from the 29 plus other negative threads saying the same thing. Why do we need another?

Just have a lie down mate, you'll feel better for it.

[ChuckNor]

There is nothing that could be added here that is any different from the 29 plus other negative threads saying the same thing. Why do we need another?

Just have a lie down mate, you'll feel better for it.

I think it’s gone beyond though. We almost need to pause this investment until we find out the intentions.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think it’s gone beyond though. We almost need to pause this investment until we find out the intentions.

Who are the "we"s ?

[JimBHibees]

I think it’s gone beyond though. We almost need to pause this investment until we find out the intentions.

No we dont

[Brizo]

We can't sack the owners and it's they who drive the club's business model, one where we've had off-field success but little on-field success.

It's that business model that has seen a succession of failed managerial experiments and a recruitment policy that by and large has failed to deliver on the money spent.

The new Black Knights component of the ownership structure might change the on-field football strategy but I doubt they would have invested in Hibs if they weren't on the same page business model wise as the majority owners. All we can do is hope for the best although I feel a continuing revolving door of loans and "project" signings is what lies ahead. They may be a higher standard of loans and "projects" and it may deliver some short-term relative success but Im not convinced things will be markedly different from how the Gordons operate.

[Hibiza]

Or CEO , the common factor.

[sean]

Tend to agree with this now but there just doesn't seem to be that many experienced managers about who you'd trust to get through a run of bad results. Even less when you add in the expectancy for some attacking football.

Least you could trust an experienced to have had expierence of bad runs.

We are massively over complicating Scottish football.
Iv never been one for the good football myth, just win some games, if you do that half decent football follows.

[SickBoy32]

We can't sack the owners and it's they who drive the club's business model, one where we've had off-field success but little on-field success.

It's that business model that has seen a succession of failed managerial experiments and a recruitment policy that by and large has failed to deliver on the money spent.

The new Black Knights component of the ownership structure might change the on-field football strategy but I doubt they would have invested in Hibs if they weren't on the same page business model wise as the majority owners. All we can do is hope for the best although I feel a continuing revolving door of loans and "project" signings is what lies ahead. They may be a higher standard of loans and "projects" and it may deliver some short-term relative success but Im not convinced things will be markedly different from how the Gordons operate.

Excellent post and I agree with every word.

Particularly concerning is the point that you rightly raise with regards Foley wanting to buy into our existing strategy - a terrifying thought.

As you say all we can do is hope for the best , but I fear it’s going to take us years to get our club back.

[Forza Fred]

Excellent post and I agree with every word.

Particularly concerning is the point that you rightly raise with regards Foley wanting to buy into our existing strategy - a terrifying thought.

As you say all we can do is hope for the best , but I fear it’s going to take us years to get our club back.

What exactly do you mean by get our club back"?

Where's it gone?

[Torto7]

What exactly do you mean by get our club back"?

Where's it gone?

Filled with Scottish players and struggling like most of our history? Some Hibs fans have a flair for drama. Plenty of managers signed dross galore under the previous regime. Extra investment now seems like another thing to pee the bed about.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Filled with Scottish players and struggling like most of our history? Some Hibs fans have a flair for drama. Plenty of managers signed dross galore under the previous regime. Extra investment now seems like another thing to pee the bed about.

You obviously do too, ripping concerned supporters at any chance you get. Maybe you aren't concerned about how the football team has gone the past 3 years but thousands attending games are.

[CentreLine]

Okay, let’s assume that this new investment model means a much higher quality of player coming through the door. We have seen plenty of good quality managers of Scottish sides make a great impression with tight budgets.

In recent years there are not many examples of those managers being able to make the transition from getting the best out of low budget players to managing the egos and aspirations of the big money players at the higher end of English football. Neil Lennon, Jack Ross, Derek McInnes, Craig Levine and many others, have tried and failed at that level, having shown some success here in Scotland. Even Jock Stein flopped at Leeds.

If we are genuinely going fishing in that level of pond for players perhaps we are looking in the wrong places for the manager to school them? If we are aiming higher with players we surely need to do the same with our manager.

I’m not sure a change of manger will happen soon and hate to talk about taking someone’s livelihood but when it inevitably does, should we hope to persuade someone like Gordon Strachan, Tony Mowbray or a Souness character, to have another crack at it?

[jakeshibs]

The problem we now have is Kensell & The Gordons have continued to dig us into a bigger hole the longer they have been here. We are in this thing with Foley on their watch and I have been a huge sceptic that Kensell & Ian Gordon took us down this path.

Based on previous decisions made by these two, how on earth can we be assured they make the correct calls. A Wine Seller appointing himself as Head of Recruitment. After this there was no going back for me.

On another thread I got pelters for stating I do not trust these guys to make the correct decisions for the club I have supported for over 50 years.

With each passing day with Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell in charge of things I fear for the long term future of Hibs.

The Gordons have done nothing but spend their money to improve our club and improve our facilities and if you cant recognise that then you have no hope. They have appointed managers that on paper looked good but have failed to live up to the expectations of the club and its supporters. We now have a fan base that demands instant success, yet historically I can not name managers that have delivered this including greats like Sir Alex Ferguson who if we signed would sack as his first few seasons at united were awful.
We will never progress if we continue in this current vein of sacking managers rebuilding teams sacking managers rebuilding teams. We have a squad that has got four managers sacked, where they all bad ?? Heckingbottom got his side to the premiership playing higher standard that the SPFL , Maloney holding his own at Wigan.
support our club, look at our pitch compared to even Celtic we have invested, the gordons have bought players more than other owners and spent more than most.

[SickBoy32]

What exactly do you mean by get our club back"?

Where's it gone?

I mean get it back from American financial speculators, playing moneyball with our club , as a vehicle to make them cash.

I want our club to focus on trying to win football matches and trophies, rather than have profitable ‘player trading’ or whatever ***** they call it, and a great ‘match day experience’. That starts and ends on the pitch. Forget everything else.

Certainly didn’t recognise that collection of players on Saturday as my club, no affinity to most of that squad, nor the leadership of the club.

[Hibeesdaft16]

I mean get it back from American financial speculators, playing moneyball with our club , as a vehicle to make them cash.

I want our club to focus on trying to win football matches and trophies, rather than have profitable ‘player trading’ or whatever ***** they call it, and a great ‘match day experience’. That starts and ends on the pitch. Forget everything else.

Certainly didn’t recognise that collection of players on Saturday as my club, no affinity to most of that squad, nor the leadership of the club.


It's a lot easier to be relaxed when you aren't in Scotland and going week in, week out.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I mean get it back from American financial speculators, playing moneyball with our club , as a vehicle to make them cash.

I want our club to focus on trying to win football matches and trophies, rather than have profitable ‘player trading’ or whatever ***** they call it, and a great ‘match day experience’. That starts and ends on the pitch. Forget everything else.

Certainly didn’t recognise that collection of players on Saturday as my club, no affinity to most of that squad, nor the leadership of the club.

Should we throw out the The upgraded lounges generating revenues and increased commercial activity?
or build the next golden generation and dismantle them pronto?

[big gogs]

Spot on (other than the game being in Croatia!) :)

See the yes men that have followed as further evidence of the manager needing to play the game with regards our executives - Kensell (and by the looks of it Ian Gordon too) wouldn’t have the balls to appoint a Lennon or McInnes type.
Mcinnes that’s a yes from me,Lennon not a hope in hell,he walked away once,and he would do it again.

[SickBoy32]

Should we throw out the The upgraded lounges generating revenues and increased commercial activity?
or build the next golden generation and dismantle them pronto?

Who paid for the lounges ? Oh aye, that’d be the fanbase.

Who will see the benefit of these? The owners when they sell up. We may in future, through the increased budget that everyone is so keen to point out - but certainly not while we’ve got these clowns running the show.

The list of sides that have taken points from us this season shows just how badly we’re being run, even moreso with a supposed increased budget 😂

[WhileTheChief..]

I want our club to focus on trying to win football matches and trophies, rather than have profitable ‘player trading’ or whatever ***** they call it, and a great ‘match day experience’. That starts and ends on the pitch. Forget everything else.

Certainly didn’t recognise that collection of players on Saturday as my club, no affinity to most of that squad, nor the leadership of the club.

:top marks

Agree with all of this. For some though, what happens on the pitch is almost irrelevant compared to balance sheets and tomorrow’s jam.

[WhileTheChief..]

The Gordons have done nothing but spend their money to improve our club and improve our facilities and if you cant recognise that then you have no hope. They have appointed managers that on paper looked good but have failed to live up to the expectations of the club and its supporters. We now have a fan base that demands instant success, yet historically I can not name managers that have delivered this including greats like Sir Alex Ferguson who if we signed would sack as his first few seasons at united were awful.
We will never progress if we continue in this current vein of sacking managers rebuilding teams sacking managers rebuilding teams. We have a squad that has got four managers sacked, where they all bad ?? Heckingbottom got his side to the premiership playing higher standard that the SPFL , Maloney holding his own at Wigan.
support our club, look at our pitch compared to even Celtic we have invested, the gordons have bought players more than other owners and spent more than most.

On paper these manager appointments were always going to be a disaster.

No Hibs fans expect instant success.

None of our recent managers have built anything near resembling a team.

The Gordons have wasted more money than any of our previous owners.

[Itsnoteasy]

I mean get it back from American financial speculators, playing moneyball with our club , as a vehicle to make them cash.

I want our club to focus on trying to win football matches and trophies, rather than have profitable ‘player trading’ or whatever ***** they call it, and a great ‘match day experience’. That starts and ends on the pitch. Forget everything else.

Certainly didn’t recognise that collection of players on Saturday as my club, no affinity to most of that squad, nor the leadership of the club.

Haven't we always been a player trading/selling club?

[Brightside]

Who paid for the lounges ? Oh aye, that’d be the fanbase.

Who will see the benefit of these? The owners when they sell up. We may in future, through the increased budget that everyone is so keen to point out - but certainly not while we’ve got these clowns running the show.

The list of sides that have taken points from us this season shows just how badly we’re being run, even moreso with a supposed increased budget 😂

How much did you pay for the lounges?

[SickBoy32]

Haven't we always been a player trading/selling club?

Yep, but our transfer policy is now skewed far too much towards this - resulting in a squad / performance like we seen on Saturday

[SickBoy32]

How much did you pay for the lounges?

More than the Gordons that’s for sure.

If you think the fanbase won’t be paying for the hospitality / big screens etc, then more fool you.

[Smartie]

On paper these manager appointments were always going to be a disaster.

No Hibs fans expect instant success.

None of our recent managers have built anything near resembling a team.

The Gordons have wasted more money than any of our previous owners.

Not sure I agree.

It's easy with hindsight.

There were reasons to believe all of them might be successful and there were prior highlights in all their careers.

[7Hero]

The board is there to offer advice and insight (so it needs people who can add VALUE) and it is there to question the performance and ruining of the football club.

I'm not seeing that at all. Too interested in a free day out and their own self preservation .

Questions need to be asked but clearly they are not...

[TrinityHFC]

The board is there to offer advice and insight (so it needs people who can add VALUE) and it is there to question the performance and ruining of the football club.

I'm not seeing that at all. Too interested in a free day out and their own self preservation .

Questions need to be asked but clearly they are not...

Are you waiting for someone else to ask the questions?

[7Hero]

Are you waiting for someone else to ask the questions?

No