Alex Gogic

[Ardenttwo]

Just wondering if we would have better holding on th Gogic. Just watching him against the **** and seems a steady player and not getting shoved off the ball like some of our midfield. Playing every game for which you could say are a better team than Hibs at the moment

[eastterrace]

Just wondering if we would have better holding on th Gogic. Just watching him against the **** and seems a steady player and not getting shoved off the ball like some of our midfield. Playing every game for which you could say are a better team than Hibs at the momentthink we have stepped up from gogic standard (Hopefully) from now on.

[K-Zazu]

Is he a centre half these days?

[LaMotta]

Just wondering if we would have better holding on th Gogic. Just watching him against the **** and seems a steady player and not getting shoved off the ball like some of our midfield. Playing every game for which you could say are a better team than Hibs at the moment

He is certainly better than what we've had in DCM since we let him go.

[HendoDelivered]

I’d say Jeggo was better than Gogic, altho not by much.

[basehibby]

Gogic is a good player and was a good servant for Hibs in his couple of seasons at ER - full of fire and determination - and along with Paul McGinn has contributed greatly to St Mirren's solid form these last couple of seasons.

I don't think we have moved on much at all from the level these players represent though (it's not a bad level mind you - they are both solid SPL players). You could argue that Miller is a more athletic player with greater potential than McGinn - Jeggo is no better than Gogic though IMO.

[LaMotta]

I’d say Jeggo was better than Gogic, altho not by much.

Would wholeheartedly disagree with that. IMO Gogic was quicker, stronger, better at tackling, better in the air and slightly better at passing. Also very occasionally chips in with goals during his career.

Tam McManus saying yesterday on Twitter that he would have Gogic in a similar bracket to Matty Jack in terms of ability. I know Tam can slaver sometimes, but his rationale was that Jack had great players around him and Gogic is actually quite a similar player. I think Gogic has been underrated a bit. There was a point today for St Mirren v **** where he caught up yards with Dessers and then bodied him out the way and came away with the ball. Could have done with that on Wednesday.

[.Sean.]

Gogic is a good player and was a good servant for Hibs in his couple of seasons at ER - full of fire and determination - and along with Paul McGinn has contributed greatly to St Mirren's solid form these last couple of seasons.

I don't think we have moved on much at all from the level these players represent though (it's not a bad level mind you - they are both solid SPL players). You could argue that Miller is a more athletic player with greater potential than McGinn - Jeggo is no better than Gogic though IMO.
Paul McGinn left St Mirren 4 year ago 😂

[Since452]

I liked when we were signing players like Gogic and McGinn. Paul McGinn was one of the most consistent players I've ever seen at Hibs. Always reliable.

[LaMotta]

I liked when we were signing players like Gogic and McGinn. Paul McGinn was one of the most consistent players I've ever seen at Hibs. Always reliable.

Agreed. The exception was unfortunately McGinn's 2 semi final performances against Hearts.... overall he was good though.

[Greensunshine]

Nooo thanx! Not moblle enough with little or no quality.

[Centre Hawf]

Would wholeheartedly disagree with that. IMO Gogic was quicker, stronger, better at tackling, better in the air and slightly better at passing. Also very occasionally chips in with goals during his career.

Tam McManus saying yesterday on Twitter that he would have Gogic in a similar bracket to Matty Jack in terms of ability. I know Tam can slaver sometimes, but his rationale was that Jack had great players around him and Gogic is actually quite a similar player. I think Gogic has been underrated a bit. There was a point today for St Mirren v **** where he caught up yards with Dessers and then bodied him out the way and came away with the ball. Could have done with that on Wednesday.

Gogic and Jeggo are similar in that they were both fine at the role they were tasked with. When you asked them to step outside their remit they struggle a bit, same goes for a lot of CDM types now. We will never get a tough tackling constantly winning the ball back CDM that can pass the ball even remotely as good as say Dylan McGeouch. It just doesn't happen at our level of football.

What you need to do is set up so Jeggo/Gogic can go do that side of the game and give it to the rest to play with, Jack Ross knew that with Gogic and had two of Newell/Halberg/Mallan etc to go do the other stuff up the park and gave us our first third placed finish in about 15 years. Even Streaky Lee knew that with Jeggo and had us play with Newell and JDH in front of him and low behold our form actually improved to get us back in the hunt.

[BILLYHIBS]

Gogic better than Jeggo for me

Gogic more mobile fit as a butcher’s dug and can hit and pass a ball

I remember during our glorious run to third place in Lockdown Gogic scored a cracker at Easter Road the nearest Jeggo ever got to scoring was Row ZZ of the Famous Five Upper versus Hearts a few weeks back

For the record I liked Gogic I also liked Jeggo

[LaMotta]

Gogic and Jeggo are similar in that they were both fine at the role they were tasked with. When you asked them to step outside their remit they struggle a bit, same goes for a lot of CDM types now. We will never get a tough tackling constantly winning the ball back CDM that can pass the ball even remotely as good as say Dylan McGeouch. It just doesn't happen at our level of football.

What you need to do is set up so Jeggo/Gogic can go do that side of the game and give it to the rest to play with, Jack Ross knew that with Gogic and had two of Newell/Halberg/Mallan etc to go do the other stuff up the park and gave us our first third placed finish in about 15 years. Even Streaky Lee knew that with Jeggo and had us play with Newell and JDH in front of him and low behold our form actually improved to get us back in the hunt.

Would agree with that - although if you have the choice of picking one or the other its Gogic every time for me.

[JohnM1875]

Quite surprised there's even a debate with some. Gogic is easily better and was much better for us than Jeggo was. I actually liked both as well.

[Centre Hawf]

Would agree with that - although if you have the choice of picking one or the other its Gogic every time for me.

I think I would just about agree with that. Close call overall but as someone mentioned about his goal vs Jeggo's lack of shooting there was something a bit rogue about Gogic that I always admired.

[LaMotta]

I think I would just about agree with that. Close call overall but as someone mentioned about his goal vs Jeggo's lack of shooting there was something a bit rogue about Gogic that I always admired.

Also find it amazing that Gogic is actually over 2 years younger than Jeggo despite looking about 10 years older:greengrin

[Centre Hawf]

Also find it amazing that Gogic is actually over 2 years younger than Jeggo despite looking about 10 years older:greengrin

He was about 25(?) when he played for us, and genuinely looked 10 years older at least.

[.Sean.]

He was about 25(?) when he played for us, and genuinely looked 10 years older at least.
I think covid really impacted how wee seen him when he was here. If he had thousands in Easter road watching him as opposed to watching him for a season on Hibs tv plenty more would’ve properly taken to him. I liked him

[Northernhibee]

Every team needs a player or two like Gogic. Six or seven out of ten most games, and allows others to play their game.

I do think we’ve missed him.

[BSEJVT]

At least Gogic gave us some physicality

I hate seeing Hibs outfought every single game

He was a much better passer of the ball than Jeggo (although also not great)

It’s astonishing how often our so called improved signings over the players they have replaced continue to make us worse

We have pissed away every advantage 2016 gave us where we should have been able to ride the wave for decades to come on the amount of goodwill it created

[Northernhibee]

Could be doing with him today.

[Jones28]

Could be doing with him today.

Not sure on that, from what I remember he wasn’t exactly creative. A disrupter but it doesn’t matter who you play, if it’s 3 v 2 in the midfield it’s difficult for them.

[BSEJVT]

I think it slips by a lot if folk that Gogic played in the team that finished 3rd and was very effective .

Imo we have missed his grit in midfield since then

He isn’t the greatest footballer in the world but a team is often greater than the sum of its parts

[Northernhibee]

Not sure on that, from what I remember he wasn’t exactly creative. A disrupter but it doesn’t matter who you play, if it’s 3 v 2 in the midfield it’s difficult for them.

You need a player or two like that to give your creative players protection to create.

[RIP]

He's one of the main reasons for St Mirren's form this season. We talk a lot about the spine of the team.

Gogic gave us backbone.

Now completely missing 😢

[Smartie]

I think it slips by a lot if folk that Gogic played in the team that finished 3rd and was very effective .

Imo we have missed his grit in midfield since then

He isn’t the greatest footballer in the world but a team is often greater than the sum of its parts

Could agree more - on every single point raised within this post.

[Suburban Hibby]

think we have stepped up from gogic standard (Hopefully) from now on.

We like to think we have- but have we really?

[BSEJVT]

think we have stepped up from gogic standard (Hopefully) from now on.

Not a chance have we stepped up

We weren’t pretty under Ross but were very effective prior to the run that led to his sacking

Now we are neither pretty nor effective

So where is the step up

[Ozyhibby]

I’d say Jeggo was better than Gogic, altho not by much.

No chance and it’s not even close.


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[Northernhibee]

Why do we turn our noses up at players like Gogic? Consistent, knows the league and is proven at this level, gives it his all, and adds to the spine of the squad.

[easty]

Why do we turn our noses up at players like Gogic? Consistent, knows the league and is proven at this level, gives it his all, and adds to the spine of the squad.

Gogic did what he can do to when he was here. I don’t have a problem with limited players playing to their strengths. He wasn’t great on the ball and gave it away far too much, but…he was good as a spoiler in midfield. He stopped other teams walking through the middle.

I thought we could replace him with someone who did the basic “defensive midfielder” stuff but also was comfortable on the ball. We didn’t.

[500miles]

Gogic gets written of has just a big strong disrupter, but his reading of attacks was really good. Him and Hanlon had excellent records for stopping the opposition getting in to dangerous areas, both top 5 in the league.

We tried to change systems in his second season and play in a way which would stop teams like St Johnstone from being so comfortable sitting deep and suffocating the space in behind and it needed better use of the ball from him. It didn't suit him and we ended up struggling without him and not signing the players we needed to be the team we wanted to, and Jack Ross ended up sacked. Its part of the reason I was so hacked off at the time - if we backed the players and the manager at the time, take a gradualist approach to change we might not have had the disasters that followed.

[CapitalGreen]

He's one of the main reasons for St Mirren's form this season. We talk a lot about the spine of the team.

Gogic gave us backbone.

Now completely missing 😢

St Mirren are in worse form than us. In the last 10 games they’ve 7 points compared to our 14.

[BILLYHIBS]

Pretty sure I heard the commentator say today that Alex Gogic was St Mirren’s best player last season and pretty much this season so far ?

What I remember from Cyprus’ recent Group campaign it was Alex Gogic versus everyone else

[JimBHibees]

He is certainly better than what we've had in DCM since we let him go.

Agree

[Dashing Bob S]

Did a job but we've had - and are still having - too much of that. Need to be setting our sights higher.

[Smartie]

Pretty sure I heard the commentator say today that Alex Gogic was St Mirren’s best player last season and pretty much this season so far ?

What I remember from Cyprus’ recent Group campaign it was Alex Gogic versus everyone else

He seems to be perennially underappreciated.

[Tyler Durden]

We stopped playing him as he got much worse at the defensive stuff.

Abysmal in the cup final and then started the next season continually losing his man at set pieces, costing us goals

He’s just not very good

[jacomo]

Would wholeheartedly disagree with that. IMO Gogic was quicker, stronger, better at tackling, better in the air and slightly better at passing. Also very occasionally chips in with goals during his career.

Tam McManus saying yesterday on Twitter that he would have Gogic in a similar bracket to Matty Jack in terms of ability. I know Tam can slaver sometimes, but his rationale was that Jack had great players around him and Gogic is actually quite a similar player. I think Gogic has been underrated a bit. There was a point today for St Mirren v **** where he caught up yards with Dessers and then bodied him out the way and came away with the ball. Could have done with that on Wednesday.


I think Gogic is a more limited player than Matty Jack was, but the difference is that Jack played regularly, so was confident in his role and everyone else on the team knew what he could do and how he would play.

Gogic was in and out depending on how defensive we played and never got a run in the team.

Some Hibs fans either think we don’t need a defensive midfielder, or think players like this aren’t good enough ‘for where we want to be’.

The problem is that we never seem to get to where we want to be.

[LaMotta]

I think Gogic is a more limited player than Matty Jack was, but the difference is that Jack played regularly, so was confident in his role and everyone else on the team knew what he could do and how he would play.

Gogic was in and out depending on how defensive we played and never got a run in the team.

Some Hibs fans either think we don’t need a defensive midfielder, or think players like this aren’t good enough ‘for where we want to be’.

The problem is that we never seem to get to where we want to be.

Agree with that. And Jack benefitted from having Sauzee and Latapy around him....

[Hibs4185]

Perhaps shows you how far we have fallen, when a player once deemed not good enough, is now looked so fondly upon

[LaMotta]

Perhaps shows you how far we have fallen, when a player once deemed not good enough, is now looked so fondly upon

Agreed... that doesnt mean he wasnt good enough though...

[theonlywayisup]

Alex Gogic arrived at Hibs at a time when, IMO, we needed to add steel to the midfield. He was exactly what we needed at the time and was a key reason why we ended up 3rd in the league and did well in the cups, albeit not winning either.

However, his effectiveness dropped in the season that followed and he was left on the bench or rarely used until Maloney came in when he was dropped from the 1st team squad until his departure to St Mirren, where he was an ever present. It's clear at St Mirren that he's used more often as a Centre Back rather than a midfielder, which is maybe telling me that he's starting to lose his pace.

Good player for Hibs, but I'd hope that we are looking for better.

[hibsbollah]

I have to laugh at some if the revisionism that goes on here. Gogic and Paul McGinn were regularly panned on here for the same reason that successive players in their position were panned ‘too slow, mediocre’ (mcginn) and ‘cant pass the ball, mediocre’ (Gogic).

The folk that are saying they always liked Gogic may well have said so on here back in the day, but if so they were one of the few that were.

[Heisenberg]

Gogic was brutal in the cup final then carried that onto the next season. Sure he was directly at fault for three or four goals in different games and that was the end of him.

[LaMotta]

I have to laugh at some if the revisionism that goes on here. Gogic and Paul McGinn were regularly panned on here for the same reason that successive players in their position were panned ‘too slow, mediocre’ (mcginn) and ‘cant pass the ball, mediocre’ (Gogic).

The folk that are saying they always liked Gogic may well have said so on here back in the day, but if so they were one of the few that were.

The thread on him at the time he left the club points to his form having dipped as Heisenberg mentions but also shows that he was pretty well thought of for his first season performances:

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?355712-Gogic/page3

There were plenty of threads saying how good he was during that first season. By the end he had a lot of criticism with some people saying he was pish. The truth, as often is the case, was somewhere in the middle.

I wasnt exactly gutted to see him go but with hindsight he could have been useful to have around. Maloney got rid of Gogic and ended up having to play Lewis in DCM v Hearts in the semi final. St Mirren fans have been raving about Gogic's recent performances at tge back for them. The ways he been playing he'd be pretty useful for us given our defensive woes.

[hibsbollah]

The thread on him at the time he left the club points to his form having dipped as Heisenberg mentions but also shows that he was pretty well thought of for his first season performances:

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?355712-Gogic/page3

There were plenty of threads saying how good he was during that first season. By the end he had a lot of criticism with some people saying he was pish. The truth, as often is the case, was somewhere in the middle.

I wasnt exactly gutted to see him go but with hindsight he could have been useful to have around. Maloney got rid of Gogic and ended up having to play Lewis in DCM v Hearts in the semi final. St Mirren fans have been raving about Gogic's recent performances at tge back for them. The ways he been playing he'd be pretty useful for us given our defensive woes.

It all goes back to systems, doesnt it? Whether we like it or grumble about it, recent managers have us playing out from the back. Its not exactly Bielsaball but defenders need to be able to pass it confidently. Maybe under a more counterattacking or long ball setup hed be fine, but the more a team has the ball the more youd see his limitations. Unless hes changed or improved massively.

Edit-just checked, st mirren have 42% average possession in the league, only dundee have lower with 41%. Not the whole story but clearly part of it. https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/253/Tournaments/20/Seasons/9713/Stages/22235/TeamStatistics/Scotland-Premiership-2023-2024
(But interesting that both clubs are having relatively decent seasons playing without the ball!)

[Smartie]

Someone mentioned it higher up, but part of his problem was that during his final season he had a poorer run of form and specifically - he wasn’t doing the stuff he was best at well.

We all knew about his limitations but when he started being personally culpable for us losing goals by losing his man etc it made it hard to justify using a defensive midfielder who simply wasn’t defending nearly well enough.

By then we were in full on Gordon era “we’ve got money and need better mode” so had to bin him pronto to bring in a more expensive and less effective alternative at the first sign of poor form.