Insanity

[JammyDoidger]

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He cannot be this arrogant or stubborn not to change the shape man, his job is to manage, you have to be able to adapt to certain games, or how games are going. It's lazy for me just picking 4-4-2 every week,
Playing 2 centre mids against 3 is criminal, especially against better players, he's been in the game long enough he's bound to be able to see we can't control games of football and this is a huge reason why. Sacrifice one of the strikers and get an extra man in there for Christ sake man. Maolida would have been better staying in the house tonight.

[Lago]

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He cannot be this arrogant or stubborn not to change the shape man, his job is to manage, you have to be able to adapt to certain games, or how games are going. It's lazy for me just picking 4-4-2 every week,
Playing 2 centre mids against 3 is criminal, especially against better players, he's been in the game long enough he's bound to be able to see we can't control games of football and this is a huge reason why. Sacrifice one of the strikers and get an extra man in there for Christ sake man. Maolida would have been better staying in the house tonight.
Thought you'd given up watching hibs:greengrin

[Fergus52]

I've seen as play 451 against rangers and create absolutely nothing at all.

It's not as simple as you make out.

We've made several decent chances tonight, against a much better team, playing this system and not taken them, it happens.

[Skol]

Thought you'd given up watching hibs:greengrin

He clearly doesn’t watch hibs

[JammyDoidger]

I've seen as play 451 against rangers and create absolutely nothing at all.

It's not as simple as you make out.

We've made several decent chances tonight, against a much better team, playing this system and not taken them, it happens.

Ohh well then, hard lines, just do the same again next week and try find a wee comfort blanket as to why we've not won.

[Jones28]

Ohh well then, hard lines, just do the same again next week and try find a wee comfort blanket as to why we've not won.

Take the night off ffs

[SHODAN]

Ok

[VoltaireHibs]

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He cannot be this arrogant or stubborn not to change the shape man, his job is to manage, you have to be able to adapt to certain games, or how games are going. It's lazy for me just picking 4-4-2 every week,
Playing 2 centre mids against 3 is criminal, especially against better players, he's been in the game long enough he's bound to be able to see we can't control games of football and this is a huge reason why. Sacrifice one of the strikers and get an extra man in there for Christ sake man. Maolida would have been better staying in the house tonight.


You really don't do self-awareness or irony, do you? :faf::faf::faf:

[Smartie]

FWIW I share the grave reservations about “Montyball”.

Obviously it will look different with some different midfielders but this current side is so riddled with problems that it’s really hard atm to see how we finish the season in a position that doesn’t cost a manager his job.

[yerauldda]

Genuinely nothing wrong with the way he wants to play but he doesn’t have the players to do it. Levitt is up there with the worst I’ve seen play for us. An abomination of a performance tonight, don’t want to see him play for us again.

[Greenbeard]

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He cannot be this arrogant or stubborn not to change the shape man, his job is to manage, you have to be able to adapt to certain games, or how games are going. It's lazy for me just picking 4-4-2 every week,
Playing 2 centre mids against 3 is criminal, especially against better players, he's been in the game long enough he's bound to be able to see we can't control games of football and this is a huge reason why. Sacrifice one of the strikers and get an extra man in there for Christ sake man. Maolida would have been better staying in the house tonight.
Yip.

[Unseen work]

A good manager sticks to his principles and fully commits to it.

A great manager recognises when it’s not working and rectifies it.

We’re needlessly over complicating a league where the basics are essential.

If David gray was appointed tomorrow I’ve no doubt he’d go back to basics and we’d be better off for it. Not saying he should be appointed!

[Winston Ingram]

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He cannot be this arrogant or stubborn not to change the shape man, his job is to manage, you have to be able to adapt to certain games, or how games are going. It's lazy for me just picking 4-4-2 every week,
Playing 2 centre mids against 3 is criminal, especially against better players, he's been in the game long enough he's bound to be able to see we can't control games of football and this is a huge reason why. Sacrifice one of the strikers and get an extra man in there for Christ sake man. Maolida would have been better staying in the house tonight.

Spot on

[May21/05/216]

This post is insane
Hibs along with the rest of Scottish football team are miles behind the old firm it wouldn't matter what system we played
We get beat as they've got better players



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[JammyDoidger]

This post is insane
Hibs along with the rest of Scottish football team are miles behind the old firm it wouldn't matter what system we played
We get beat as they've got better players



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So we should just pack it in then? If football was that simple it would be boring. Decent tactics and teamwork can lead to an upset.

[Exuberance1875]

Board have done an absolutely tremendous job….

In tearing the soul out of the club and removing any connection that the players and staff have with the fans.

Players give up so easily time and time again.

Hate to make comparison to them but zero chance we do what hearts done last night

[andrew_dundee]

We were alright tonight in terms of creating chances (goals would be nice though...)

Thing that concerns me is all the passing about in our own box, which Monty insists on. We're not a good enough team for that kind of play but do it every time.

[B.H.F.C]

442 gets all the blame but not the biggest issue IMO.

The way he wants us to play is far worse. Everything is so negative and first thought is back the way. Third goal should never happen because the ball should never be back with Marshall. It’s chronic.

But there isn’t a player in that team who I’d be bothered about losing tomorrow. They’re a shower of *****. Gutless.

[Smartie]

This post is insane
Hibs along with the rest of Scottish football team are miles behind the old firm it wouldn't matter what system we played
We get beat as they've got better players



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So we don’t judge ourselves against Forfar and we don’t judge ourselves against Rangers.

Just when and how do we judge our team? How about against the yardstick of decent Hibs teams of the past who have given better Rangers teams than that a close game, or who have managed to look semi-fluent against bottom 3 teams of the Scottish league, or Hibs teams who haven’t been absolutely abject over half a dozen or so games?

[1875Sean]

442 gets all the blame but not the biggest issue IMO.

The way he wants us to play is far worse. Everything is so negative and first thought is back the way. Third goal should never happen because the ball should never be back with Marshall. It’s chronic.

But there isn’t a player in that team who I’d be bothered about losing tomorrow. They’re a shower of *****. Gutless.

Correct people keep going on about 442, it was a 451 for most of the second half and we were still hopeless, it doesn’t matter what formation we played tonight we were getting beat with the way they are playing

[Paulie Walnuts]

FWIW I share the grave reservations about “Montyball”.

Obviously it will look different with some different midfielders but this current side is so riddled with problems that it’s really hard atm to see how we finish the season in a position that doesn’t cost a manager his job.

He won’t be here next season. I’ve absolutely no doubt about that.

[JammyDoidger]

This post is insane
Hibs along with the rest of Scottish football team are miles behind the old firm it wouldn't matter what system we played
We get beat as they've got better players



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So we should just pack it in then? If football was that simple it would be boring. Decent tactics and teamwork can lead to an upset.

[cubehindthegoal]

Thought you'd given up watching hibs:greengrin

😂

[cubehindthegoal]

I've seen as play 451 against rangers and create absolutely nothing at all.

It's not as simple as you make out.

We've made several decent chances tonight, against a much better team, playing this system and not taken them, it happens.
yup most Hibs fans will know that

[cubehindthegoal]

He clearly doesn’t watch hibs

👍👍… well he might … sometimes … sometimes some Hibs fans watch hearts i’ve heard too lol

[Since452]

He won’t be here next season. I’ve absolutely no doubt about that.

I can't see where our next win is going to come from. I said weeks ago we weren't finishing top six under Montgomery I'm now looking at the relegation places. We are so easy to play against. Even Forfar figured our tactics out.

[WeeRussell]

Someone’s learned a new word tonight instead of going to the game. Fair play to him.

[Basildon Hibs]

He won’t be here next season. I’ve absolutely no doubt about that.

Here's hoping. 🙏🫰

[Basildon Hibs]

I can't see where our next win is going to come from. I said weeks ago we weren't finishing top six under Montgomery I'm now looking at the relegation places. We are so easy to play against. Even Forfar figured our tactics out.

👍👊

[cubehindthegoal]

A good manager sticks to his principles and fully commits to it.

A great manager recognises when it’s not working and rectifies it.

We’re needlessly over complicating a league where the basics are essential.

If David gray was appointed tomorrow I’ve no doubt he’d go back to basics and we’d be better off for it. Not saying he should be appointed!

… so are you saying that SDG is a good manager, or a great manager ?

[Is It On....]

He clearly doesn’t watch hibs

My friend doesn't now either after he cancelled his monthly Hibs TV subscription tonight.

[cubehindthegoal]

So we should just pack it in then? If football was that simple it would be boring. Decent tactics and teamwork can lead to an upset.

He didn’t say pack it in … he was reminding you of the inevitable difference cash makes … for example, hearts fans would remember that from their cheating years when they won the cup … it’s just showing his obvious frustration at the fact it comes down to money in the end, and little else. Doesn’t mean we don’t keep trying.

[cubehindthegoal]

We were alright tonight in terms of creating chances (goals would be nice though...)

Thing that concerns me is all the passing about in our own box, which Monty insists on. We're not a good enough team for that kind of play but do it every time.

But, you also - if given the chance - bring better players into a team that is trying to play a level above they are … and they can do it … and some of the existing ones get it and learn it and stay to do it (even if it’s only one or two of the young ones who show the capability to shine .. eg Doig did …)

[May21/05/216]

So we should just pack it in then? If football was that simple it would be boring. Decent tactics and teamwork can lead to an upset.Your missing the point the old firm have better players and it doesn't matter what system we play if both teams play to there max they win
Unless hibs play a pure defensive system

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[sean04]

Completely bored of the way we are playing. Going to the games is a chore. It's so bad. Jair, levitt, newell are doing my head in. Pub football mistakes and goals

[cubehindthegoal]

So we don’t judge ourselves against Forfar and we don’t judge ourselves against Rangers.

Just when and how do we judge our team? How about against the yardstick of decent Hibs teams of the past who have given better Rangers teams than that a close game, or who have managed to look semi-fluent against bottom 3 teams of the Scottish league, or Hibs teams who haven’t been absolutely abject over half a dozen or so games?

Did our manager build the team that won the Scottish Cup in such a short time as Monty has had to date ?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Did our manager build the team that won the Scottish Cup in such a short time as Monty has had to date ?

He built the bones of it in even less time.

[cubehindthegoal]

He won’t be here next season. I’ve absolutely no doubt about that.

I think you are wrong …. and I hate to imagine who will be if you are right … please not the usual names we read here time and time again …

.. who is your choice though ?

[andrew_dundee]

But, you also - if given the chance - bring better players into a team that is trying to play a level above they are … and they can do it … and some of the existing ones get it and learn it and stay to do it (even if it’s only one or two of the young ones who show the capability to shine .. eg Doig did …

Yeah better players could make that tactic succeed, or it may do against teams we're better than. But we can't play that was against Rangers and Celtic and expect a result.

[Since452]

I think you are wrong …. and I hate to imagine who will be if you are right … please not the usual names we read here time and time again …

.. who is your choice though ?

Why not the usual names? We keep ignoring them and going for managers who get themselves sacked by being hopeless while the usual names keep performing at their clubs.

[cubehindthegoal]

My friend doesn't now either after he cancelled his monthly Hibs TV subscription tonight.

Was your friend a Hibs supporter ?

[Smartie]

Did our manager build the team that won the Scottish Cup in such a short time as Monty has had to date ?

He had them looking like a side by November and tearing Rangers apart 4-0 at Christmas - from a starting point that was a bit like footballing ground zero. And losing his main striker to long-term injury along the way too.

Not pretending for a second that it’s easy but it’s hard to argue that Monty shouldn’t be doing better with what he has at his disposal, even if you think the squad isn’t that great. It’s been a very, very poor sequence of games either side of Christmas.

The new arrivals are certainly cause for hope but it’s hard for anyone to thrive being dropped into our current situation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think you are wrong …. and I hate to imagine who will be if you are right … please not the usual names we read here time and time again …

.. who is your choice though ?

I’d take McInnes in a heartbeat. Outside of that though I’d like to think if we’re shopping in different markets for players now that we’d be doing the same with managers. So you’ll maybe get your wish with it not being the usual names.

[ScottB]

I’d say time has come for him to change things up, fine, he has a favoured formation / system / whatever but it’s not worked, if he’s a decent coach or a manager with any sort of realistic hope to compete at this level, then he has to adjust.

If he’s literally got one plan and won’t change, he never should have got the job, and likely won’t keep this one much longer.

[cubehindthegoal]

Completely bored of the way we are playing. Going to the games is a chore. It's so bad. Jair, levitt, newell are doing my head in. Pub football mistakes and goals

… and I get that too … and I see it’s not a negative comment against Hibs, too, that you make Sean… it’s what us Hibs fans feel … we are all frustrated and want better, sooner … but it won’t happen as quick as we want … but I honestly believe it will (but I might be wrong!)

[RossScott1991]

His interview on radio was proper insulting. Actually worse than some of LJ ever gave. Just totally clueless and unaware how bad his system is.

[cubehindthegoal]

He built the bones of it in even less time.

Ah. Ok. And how far ahead did those bones take us in that time … for example, compared to Hearts ? In the same division as us.

[cubehindthegoal]

Your missing the point the old firm have better players and it doesn't matter what system we play if both teams play to there max they win
Unless hibs play a pure defensive system

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Exactly

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ah. Ok. And how far ahead did those bones take us in that time … for example, compared to Hearts ? In the same division as us.

He took over a relegated team with next to no players left. He was building from absolute rock bottom.

Comparisons between the job Stubbs done and the job Monty is doing are absolutely ludicrous.

[Hibs4185]

Your missing the point the old firm have better players and it doesn't matter what system we play if both teams play to there max they win
Unless hibs play a pure defensive system

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In the same way we have much better players than Forfar
, yet Forfar managed to give us a game and could’ve won

[cubehindthegoal]

Why not the usual names? We keep ignoring them and going for managers who get themselves sacked by being hopeless while the usual names keep performing at their clubs.

Have they performed at their clubs ? Which ones, I’m curious …

[Nicho87]

Bored, dull, uninspiring

Repeat

[cubehindthegoal]

He had them looking like a side by November and tearing Rangers apart 4-0 at Christmas - from a starting point that was a bit like footballing ground zero. And losing his main striker to long-term injury along the way too.

Not pretending for a second that it’s easy but it’s hard to argue that Monty shouldn’t be doing better with what he has at his disposal, even if you think the squad isn’t that great. It’s been a very, very poor sequence of games either side of Christmas.

The new arrivals are certainly cause for hope but it’s hard for anyone to thrive being dropped into our current situation.

… and you don’t see that your view of Hibs in the league, back then, before we won the Scottish Cup, was perhaps a tad over-rating ? And please don’t assume we are all so thick as to assume that the the rangers back then was anything in comparison to the current team … did they finish third in the league below that year ? I am getting old … maybe my memory is playing up lol

[Real Emerald]

I’d say time has come for him to change things up, fine, he has a favoured formation / system / whatever but it’s not worked, if he’s a decent coach or a manager with any sort of realistic hope to compete at this level, then he has to adjust.

If he’s literally got one plan and won’t change, he never should have got the job, and likely won’t keep this one much longer.

Totally agree, passive football, no leaders, no passion just stick to a system we can’t play and keep flogging that dead horse. Absolutely hopeless and soul destroying to watch. Football is about fight and passion in our league, not trying to be Man City with players incapable of it.

[sorryfolks]

I don’t believe the system is our biggest problem at the moment. Our off the ball work ethic, desire, aggressiveness is so far from where it needs to be. 4 or 5 players in the starting 11 tonight just don’t have it in them to work hard and make life difficult for their opponent. How many times were they able to comfortable pass the ball from their centre half’s into our final third without anyone being within 3/4yds of anyone? When the ball is in your area on the pitch you should give 110% effort to either win it back or stop your opponent from advancing up the pitch. Instead what we get is a half hearted jog over to “press”. We need some steel all over the pitch and quickly.

[cubehindthegoal]

I’d take McInnes in a heartbeat. Outside of that though I’d like to think if we’re shopping in different markets for players now that we’d be doing the same with managers. So you’ll maybe get your wish with it not being the usual names.

McInnes … how stupid were Aberdeen to move him on then …😂 … no … he was failing … and other Scottish clubs did not jump to grab him … wonder why ?

You may be right beyond that … but hey .. I believe we have done that … and if it doesn’t work out, I believe we now have the people who will make it better …

But we will see. But please please please … no McIness or Lennon or .. blah blah

[Keepthefaith]

Board have done an absolutely tremendous job….

In tearing the soul out of the club and removing any connection that the players and staff have with the fans.

Players give up so easily time and time again.

Hate to make comparison to them but zero chance we do what hearts done last night

So you weren't at tynie for our comeback against them from 2-0 down then? Players didn't give up, did you see the defence we had to put out? Marcondes in particular looked great I thought when he came on

They have a better, more settled team. 2 clinical finishes were the main difference. Maolidas miss would have made it very interesting.

We need better defenders, which we're working on. Take a deep breath mate eh?

[Nicho87]

Bite your hand for mcinness

Drive, fight, not scared to change it

Everything we aren’t

[VoltaireHibs]

Ah. Ok. And how far ahead did those bones take us in that time … for example, compared to Hearts ? In the same division as us.

It gave us some of the best football I've seen a Hibs team play, certainly since Mowbray, and it won us the holy grail, that'll do for me. However, in some ways what Stubbs had is probably NM's dream. A blank canvas, no older players hanging around, whole budget more or less ready to be spent. Not sure that's a bad scenario for a manager?

[cubehindthegoal]

He took over a relegated team with next to no players left. He was building from absolute rock bottom.

Comparisons between the job Stubbs done and the job Monty is doing are absolutely ludicrous.

If Johnson remained and relegated us … we would all be relishing the clear out we are in the middle of … in the division below … maybe we are doing it before it got to that .. maybe … before it gets worse … who knows lol ?

[cubehindthegoal]

In the same way we have much better players than Forfar
, yet Forfar managed to give us a game and could’ve won

And if we were in Forfar’s Division, we’d romp it over a season … zzz

[VoltaireHibs]

Bite your hand for mcinness

Drive, fight, not scared to change it

Everything we aren’t

I'm not his biggest fan, (and wouldn't really want him at Hibs) but there is zero chance we would have that performance from a McInnes managed team. Zero. Killie will finish above us this year, I'm fairly sure of that.

[The Modfather]

He took over a relegated team with next to no players left. He was building from absolute rock bottom.

Comparisons between the job Stubbs done and the job Monty is doing are absolutely ludicrous.

What I would give for this squad to have the blank canvass of next to no players.

[Centre Hawf]

McInnes … how stupid were Aberdeen to move him on then …😂 … no … he was failing … and other Scottish clubs did not jump to grab him … wonder why ?

You may be right beyond that … but hey .. I believe we have done that … and if it doesn’t work out, I believe we now have the people who will make it better …

But we will see. But please please please … no McIness or Lennon or .. blah blah

See to be honest mate, as much as I agree with this and have pushed back on these shouts from people I know, I find it very very hard to continue to do so.

Genuinely how much worse can it possibly get from the last 2 years than with say McInnes? Lennon I'm still against really but at this point it might just be fun to watch him go mental from time to time instead of the matches.

[Tyler Durden]

Comparisons to Stubbs are worthwhile IMO.

Stubbs had a shaky start, was playing a 4-3-3 type formation which he initially favoured. Then we lost games to the likes of QOTS and Alloa IIRC. Our no 9 got injured.

So he changed his approach and tried to go back to basics, be hard to beat. Went 3-5-2 until we could be more solid and rebuild. Eventually transitioned into the 4-4-2 diamond that he often favoured.

He adapted but despite formations you could clearly see his principles. Good quick passing, flexibility, people running from midfield.

All things that seem alien to Monty’s team. Surely Monty needs to change and adapt or he realises this is going one way

[cubehindthegoal]

His interview on radio was proper insulting. Actually worse than some of LJ ever gave. Just totally clueless and unaware how bad his system is.

Didn’t hear the radio interview, our managers take it you mean … got a link ? Always open minded to learn … if our manager is totally clueless then I want to hear what you heard too.

ps I’d find it and post a link just now, but I’m totally crap at that tbh and could be here for hours trying to make it work lol

[1875Sean]

I'm not his biggest fan, (and wouldn't really want him at Hibs) but there is zero chance we would have that performance from a McInnes managed team. Zero. Killie will finish above us this year, I'm fairly sure of that.

Why are you so sure? I know our form is poor but they are only 6 points ahead and we have a game in hand along with a bunch of players coming back from injury and international duty

[Real Emerald]

If Johnson remained and relegated us … we would all be relishing the clear out we are in the middle of … in the division below … maybe we are doing it before it got to that .. maybe … before it gets worse … who knows lol ?

So it’s just as well we’re pish then, phew. Here’s me thinking it was a bad thing 👍

[john rossi]

This clown has to go Montgomery is out of his depths naive tactics hopefully gone before we are dragged into a relegation dogfight

[cubehindthegoal]

I don’t believe the system is our biggest problem at the moment. Our off the ball work ethic, desire, aggressiveness is so far from where it needs to be. 4 or 5 players in the starting 11 tonight just don’t have it in them to work hard and make life difficult for their opponent. How many times were they able to comfortable pass the ball from their centre half’s into our final third without anyone being within 3/4yds of anyone? When the ball is in your area on the pitch you should give 110% effort to either win it back or stop your opponent from advancing up the pitch. Instead what we get is a half hearted jog over to “press”. We need some steel all over the pitch and quickly.

True. But sometimes that means getting players in to replace the 4 or 5 you mention. Hence I say we need to be patient .. fixing more or less half a team (before you even think about the bench and squad players that need moved on too) doesn’t happen in a winter window. If you want players that have the character and ability to learn and develop, you got to find them first …give him time guys. I’m just being a supporter you know .. coz I am truly born and bred Hibs, like the vast majority of us here … but .. hey .. thank f this is just a forum and a place to chat .. and we are not coaching or managing 😂

[RossScott1991]

Didn’t hear the radio interview, our managers take it you mean … got a link ? Always open minded to learn … if our manager is totally clueless then I want to hear what you heard too.

ps I’d find it and post a link just now, but I’m totally crap at that tbh and could be here for hours trying to make it work lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian

Hibernian head coach Nick Montgomery: "I don't think it was a 3-0 game. It becomes a 3-0 game because we miss massive moments. If you don't take your chances against a team like this, they're going to punish you.
"In build-up we were very good, we got out quite easy, we created opportunities. We just need to be more clinical.
"It's a difficult period for the club and me as a manager, we've got nine or 10 first-team boys unavailable."
Montgomery added that he is looking to add more signings before the transfer window closes next week.

[cubehindthegoal]

So you weren't at tynie for our comeback against them from 2-0 down then? Players didn't give up, did you see the defence we had to put out? Marcondes in particular looked great I thought when he came on

They have a better, more settled team. 2 clinical finishes were the main difference. Maolidas miss would have made it very interesting.

We need better defenders, which we're working on. Take a deep breath mate eh?

Deserving of your name bud 👍

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t believe the system is our biggest problem at the moment. Our off the ball work ethic, desire, aggressiveness is so far from where it needs to be. 4 or 5 players in the starting 11 tonight just don’t have it in them to work hard and make life difficult for their opponent. How many times were they able to comfortable pass the ball from their centre half’s into our final third without anyone being within 3/4yds of anyone? When the ball is in your area on the pitch you should give 110% effort to either win it back or stop your opponent from advancing up the pitch. Instead what we get is a half hearted jog over to “press”. We need some steel all over the pitch and quickly.

What you’re describing is a lack of organisation. The lack of intensity comes from the coaching staff.

I don’t see that improving by changing the players tbh

[cubehindthegoal]

Bite your hand for mcinness

Drive, fight, not scared to change it

Everything we aren’t

Then take him. Rather that than Hibs got him 😂

[Stuart93]

Seems to be that there are some whispers already about wanting NM away.

Far too early for me but we need improvement & fast. We’re only 8 points above the play off

[cubehindthegoal]

It gave us some of the best football I've seen a Hibs team play, certainly since Mowbray, and it won us the holy grail, that'll do for me. However, in some ways what Stubbs had is probably NM's dream. A blank canvas, no older players hanging around, whole budget more or less ready to be spent. Not sure that's a bad scenario for a manager?

I know what you’re saying … but you’re talking about May 2016 VoltaireHibs… after the time I referenced … delve back a bit … that wasn’t when Stubbs joined us .. that wasn’t a time frame to compare to Monty’s so far …

but hey .. if Monty gets the same time that Stubbs did, who knows … not that any of us can tell the future

[LaMotta]

I'm getting to the point now where I'm really questioning a lot of Monty's decision making since he arrived.

The early warning signs were there with the mad substitutions knocking the stuffing out of us when coasting in games, taking off centre halves etc.

The Vente scenario has been weird as many people have pointed out.

A couple of examples from over the last week have me really worried though. Starting Jeggo (whose only real attribute is a spoiler) at Forfar when we were likely to have most of the possession and need to break down a team sitting in doesn't make sense. That game was far more suited for Levitt ( I know he hasn't been great) but he can unlock things with forward passes. Instead he sat on the bench. When he came on the game changed. Likewise why not play Vente against Forfar? The type of game where he should flourish. We were very lucky in the end on Saturday, as we were a whiff away from extra time and pens and anything could have happened.

If you have to start Jeggo and bench Levitt for a game then tonight v Rangers makes more sense for that to happen. For me he's got those 2 games the wrong way round.

Also tonight, I'm struggling to understand why he started Maolida over Marcondes. Marcondes looked far sharper and a far better player. Not getting that at all.

[Tyler Durden]

I'm getting to the point now where I'm really questioning a lot of Monty's decision making since he arrived.

The early warning signs were there with the mad substitutions knocking the stuffing out of us when coasting in games, taking off centre halves etc.

The Vente scenario has been weird as many people have pointed out.

A couple of examples from over the last week have me really worried though. Starting Jeggo (whose only real attribute is a spoiler) at Forfar when we were likely to have most of the possession and need to break down a team sitting in doesn't make sense. That game was far more suited for Levitt ( I know he hasn't been great) but he can unlock things with forward passes. Instead he sat on the bench. When he came on the game changed. Likewise why not play Vente against Forfar? The type of game where he should flourish. We were very lucky in the end on Saturday, as we were a whiff away from extra time and pens and anything could have happened.

If you have to start Jeggo and bench Levitt for a game then tonight v Rangers makes more sense for that to happen. For me he's got those 2 games the wrong way round.

Also tonight, I'm struggling to understand why he started Maolida over Marcondes. Marcondes looked far sharper and a far better player. Not getting that at all.

Agreed

And you have to question whether the players are starting to turn already. Body language looks poor

Needs a big turnaround in next few games

[cubehindthegoal]

I'm not his biggest fan, (and wouldn't really want him at Hibs) but there is zero chance we would have that performance from a McInnes managed team. Zero. Killie will finish above us this year, I'm fairly sure of that.

They might. I can see beyond that though. But hey … opinions and all that … some of us will be wrong lol .. and the ones that are right this time, will be wrong later lol

[LaMotta]

Agreed

And you have to question whether the players are starting to turn already. Body language looks poor

Needs a big turnaround in next few games

:agree:

Really tough run of games though. A win on Saturday would be huge.

[cubehindthegoal]

See to be honest mate, as much as I agree with this and have pushed back on these shouts from people I know, I find it very very hard to continue to do so.

Genuinely how much worse can it possibly get from the last 2 years than with say McInnes? Lennon I'm still against really but at this point it might just be fun to watch him go mental from time to time instead of the matches.

lol .. and I get that … but you say two years … and if you’re like me you’ve had many more than two years of following our club … I stopped counting a while back … at 50 plus lol … so let’s give Monty two .. just an idea … how much worse can it get lol … how much better might it get …

… remind me … how long has he been at our club ?

[thebausburst]

[QUOTE=VoltaireHibs;7559131]I'm not his biggest fan, (and wouldn't really want him at Hibs) but there is zero chance we would have that performance from a McInnes managed team. Zero. Killie will finish above us this year, I'm fairly sure of that.

100%, whether it’s now or more likely another 4 disappointing months fans need to wake up to McInness was/is the guy to sort this mess out and most importantly get some fight and pride back in this team, so soft its unbelievable soon as they go a goal down you can just forget it.

[cubehindthegoal]

Comparisons to Stubbs are worthwhile IMO.

Stubbs had a shaky start, was playing a 4-3-3 type formation which he initially favoured. Then we lost games to the likes of QOTS and Alloa IIRC. Our no 9 got injured.

So he changed his approach and tried to go back to basics, be hard to beat. Went 3-5-2 until we could be more solid and rebuild. Eventually transitioned into the 4-4-2 diamond that he often favoured.

He adapted but despite formations you could clearly see his principles. Good quick passing, flexibility, people running from midfield.

All things that seem alien to Monty’s team. Surely Monty needs to change and adapt or he realises this is going one way

A shaky start … yup … and imagine if we were losing to teams like that now under Monty … and imagine if Stubbs was in the SPFL for those first 6 months, losing games .. even the year or two he had, not getting promoted … before legend status …

And don’t me wrong please .. I’d take not getting promoted again for those seasons if it meant we did what we did 💚💚😊😊

Give him some similar time is all I’m saying. IMO it’ll be worth it … I hope lol

[B.H.F.C]

Agreed

And you have to question whether the players are starting to turn already. Body language looks poor

Needs a big turnaround in next few games

I agree the players don’t look happy but they can **** off. They’ve already contributed to one manager being away this season. Then the new one comes in and we hear all about how much they’re enjoying it and this and that. Then when it gets a bit tough they’ll revert to type and it’ll be on to the next one.

Not a single one of them who is out of contract in the summer should be retained. We need to clear out as much as we can.

[cubehindthegoal]

So it’s just as well we’re pish then, phew. Here’s me thinking it was a bad thing 👍

What do you mean ? It’s a bad thing improving things before they get to that stage ?

[tonyrougier123]

There’s definitely issues with our play,it’s got technical players in it but there’s a real linkage issue,over zealous passing that doesn’t land at a green shirt. There’s no bite to win possession either,you can see us coming a mile away. Montgomery has to be given the time to mould us but it’s going to painful in the process. The lack of adaptability is not doing us or his coaching team any favours either.
It feels like we play with no strikers and teams seem to play right through us with ease.

[Real Emerald]

What do you mean ? It’s a bad thing improving things before they get to that stage ?

We’re way past that stage now. The squad is awful but we’ve brought a manager in who is hell bent on us playing a style of football that our players simply can’t play. Instead of trying to get the best out of what we’ve got he’s making things worse. He’s already made a bad situation worse not better.

I think he’s way out of his depth and has no concept of what you need to be successful in Scottish football and will be gone soon. No one wants to even watch that style of play, its soul destroying.

[cubehindthegoal]

Seems to be that there are some whispers already about wanting NM away.

Far too early for me but we need improvement & fast. We’re only 8 points above the play off

… and how many points below a European place ?

[HoboHarry]

Seems to be that there are some whispers already about wanting NM away.

Far too early for me but we need improvement & fast. We’re only 8 points above the play off

Whispers from where exactly?

[VoltaireHibs]

We’re way past that stage now. The squad is awful but we’ve brought a manager in who is hell bent on us playing a style of football that our players simply can’t play. Instead of trying to get the best out of what we’ve got he’s making things worse. He’s already made a bad situation worse not better.

I think he’s way out of his depth and has no concept of what you need to be successful in Scottish football and will be gone soon. No one wants to even watch that style of play, its soul destroying.

This is my main concern. Even when 442 works it can be boring to watch. Possession, score a goal, retain possession, try and nick another. Boring.

[cubehindthegoal]

I'm getting to the point now where I'm really questioning a lot of Monty's decision making since he arrived.

The early warning signs were there with the mad substitutions knocking the stuffing out of us when coasting in games, taking off centre halves etc.

The Vente scenario has been weird as many people have pointed out.

A couple of examples from over the last week have me really worried though. Starting Jeggo (whose only real attribute is a spoiler) at Forfar when we were likely to have most of the possession and need to break down a team sitting in doesn't make sense. That game was far more suited for Levitt ( I know he hasn't been great) but he can unlock things with forward passes. Instead he sat on the bench. When he came on the game changed. Likewise why not play Vente against Forfar? The type of game where he should flourish. We were very lucky in the end on Saturday, as we were a whiff away from extra time and pens and anything could have happened.

If you have to start Jeggo and bench Levitt for a game then tonight v Rangers makes more sense for that to happen. For me he's got those 2 games the wrong way round.

Also tonight, I'm struggling to understand why he started Maolida over Marcondes. Marcondes looked far sharper and a far better player. Not getting that at all.

These are fair questions LaMotta .. but I’d still say we could argue round the block about them … and bottom line they are born of frustration … there’s lots of that kicking about … but listen …

.. we are not going to be relegated … we will get better under Monty (in my opinion) … and if we don’t … we have the regime to change it … meantime I am so glad they are giving him more time than some here would … how many months is it again ? How often do they want us to change our manager ? And more to the point .. why ?

[O'Rourke3]

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
He cannot be this arrogant or stubborn not to change the shape man, his job is to manage, you have to be able to adapt to certain games, or how games are going. It's lazy for me just picking 4-4-2 every week,
Playing 2 centre mids against 3 is criminal, especially against better players, he's been in the game long enough he's bound to be able to see we can't control games of football and this is a huge reason why. Sacrifice one of the strikers and get an extra man in there for Christ sake man. Maolida would have been better staying in the house tonight.Does this insanity include repeating the same endless posts?

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[cubehindthegoal]

We’re way past that stage now. The squad is awful but we’ve brought a manager in who is hell bent on us playing a style of football that our players simply can’t play. Instead of trying to get the best out of what we’ve got he’s making things worse. He’s already made a bad situation worse not better.

I think he’s way out of his depth and has no concept of what you need to be successful in Scottish football and will be gone soon. No one wants to even watch that style of play, its soul destroying.

We’re nowhere near that stage … tf … I remember it well.

[Real Emerald]

We’re nowhere near that stage … tf … I remember it well.

I went along tonight with the most positive feeling I’ve had for a few years mainly due to the excitement of on paper good solid signings. A few minutes in I’m thinking this guy looks like he’s never been on a football pitch in his life before. It then deteriorated. This incarnation of Hibs is doomed, bring on the investment.

[LaMotta]

These are fair questions LaMotta .. but I’d still say we could argue round the block about them … and bottom line they are born of frustration … there’s lots of that kicking about … but listen …

.. we are not going to be relegated … we will get better under Monty (in my opinion) … and if we don’t … we have the regime to change it … meantime I am so glad they are giving him more time than some here would … how many months is it again ? How often do they want us to change our manager ? And more to the point .. why ?

Yeah mate well I hope you are right. I do quite like him for some reason, certainly more than the last 2 managers but its just a number of questionable things now starting to add up. Only positive results can put those questions to bed.

I did watch a bbc documentary on Pep tonight, and it was interesting to see that Pep was getting pelters off fans and the press in his first season at City for refusing to change his style. He was adamant he wouldnt change it and of course after a bit of patience it started to pay dividends.

Not suggesting Monty on the same page as Pep but he is getting similar accusations about changing a style that has previously worked for him but hasnt clicked yet with a new team. He also seems adamant he wont change. We can only hope things get better as well, if he gets the time I think he will.

[Stevie Reid]

Yeah mate well I hope you are right. I do quite like him for some reason, certainly more than the last 2 managers but its just a number of questionable things now starting to add up. Only positive results can put those questions to bed.

I did watch a bbc documentary on Pep tonight, and it was interesting to see that Pep was getting pelters off fans and the press in his first season for refusing to change his style. He was adamant he wouldnt change it and of course after a bit of patience it started to pay dividends.

Not suggesting Monty on the same page as Pep but he is getting similar accusations about changing a style that has previously worked for him but hasnt clicked yet with a new team. He also seems adamant he wont change. We can only hope things get better as well, if he gets the time I think he will.

I’ll need to watch that documentary. Does it say he was getting pelters in his first season at Barca?

[LaMotta]

I’ll need to watch that documentary. Does it say he was getting pelters in his first season at Barca?

Sorry should have said first season at Man City....

It was a pretty short documentary but quite an enjoyable watch. Interesting bit about how the Bayern players were really struggling with him at first as it was information overload for a lot of them trying to understand his ideas - but it eventually sunk in and they appreciated what he was doing.

Info on programme here: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68069593

[Haymaker]

Sorry should have said first season at Man City....

It was a pretty short documentary but quite an enjoyable watch. Interesting bit about how the Bayern players were really struggling with him at first as it was information overload for a lot of them trying to undetstand his ideas - but it eventually sunk in and they appreciated what he was doing.

But failed to win the treble... which they had done the season before...

[LaMotta]

But failed to win the treble... which they had done the season before...

I missed that bit, was too busy furiously typing some angry thoughts into Hibs.net:greengrin

[Haymaker]

I missed that bit, was too busy furiously typing some angry thoughts into Hibs.net:greengrin

:greengrin

[basehibby]

This post is insane
Hibs along with the rest of Scottish football team are miles behind the old firm it wouldn't matter what system we played
We get beat as they've got better players



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The problem is though we have been labouring away at this system for some time now and are struggling to beat teams like Forfar - never mind Rangers

[CCM4LIFE]

https://www.youtube.com/live/M3GigCqPr9w?feature=shared

Go to 4:16 that's the criteria for what he was signed to do.

[Heisenberg]

https://www.youtube.com/live/M3GigCqPr9w?feature=shared

Go to 4:16 that's the criteria for what he was signed to do.

He’s got to win games too though. Every manager we’ve brought in recently has been brought in with the promise of doing x, y or z and none of them have delivered. Monty is heading the same way at the moment and a lot of that looks to be on the way he’s asking the team to play, clearly we don’t have the players to do what he’s asking but he’s carrying on regardless. Massive red flag.

It’s really time to sink or swim for him now. Our last manager didn’t have a too dissimilar record at this time last season and he went on to improve our results and get us up the league a wee bit. Monty simply has to start doing that too or he’ll be out the door.

[Winston Ingram]

So we don’t judge ourselves against Forfar and we don’t judge ourselves against Rangers.

Just when and how do we judge our team? How about against the yardstick of decent Hibs teams of the past who have given better Rangers teams than that a close game, or who have managed to look semi-fluent against bottom 3 teams of the Scottish league, or Hibs teams who haven’t been absolutely abject over half a dozen or so games?

I’ll judge us against the team from the 2nd half of last season.

He’s made us worse. Without a shadow of a doubt. He’s not shown a single thing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian

Hibernian head coach Nick Montgomery: "I don't think it was a 3-0 game. It becomes a 3-0 game because we miss massive moments. If you don't take your chances against a team like this, they're going to punish you.
"In build-up we were very good, we got out quite easy, we created opportunities. We just need to be more clinical.
"It's a difficult period for the club and me as a manager, we've got nine or 10 first-team boys unavailable."
Montgomery added that he is looking to add more signings before the transfer window closes next week.

Personally don’t have an issue with that. Score at 0 0 or to make it 2 1 totally different game.

[JimBHibees]

I'm getting to the point now where I'm really questioning a lot of Monty's decision making since he arrived.

The early warning signs were there with the mad substitutions knocking the stuffing out of us when coasting in games, taking off centre halves etc.

The Vente scenario has been weird as many people have pointed out.

A couple of examples from over the last week have me really worried though. Starting Jeggo (whose only real attribute is a spoiler) at Forfar when we were likely to have most of the possession and need to break down a team sitting in doesn't make sense. That game was far more suited for Levitt ( I know he hasn't been great) but he can unlock things with forward passes. Instead he sat on the bench. When he came on the game changed. Likewise why not play Vente against Forfar? The type of game where he should flourish. We were very lucky in the end on Saturday, as we were a whiff away from extra time and pens and anything could have happened.

If you have to start Jeggo and bench Levitt for a game then tonight v Rangers makes more sense for that to happen. For me he's got those 2 games the wrong way round.

Also tonight, I'm struggling to understand why he started Maolida over Marcondes. Marcondes looked far sharper and a far better player. Not getting that at all.

Assume he was thinking Maiolida was fitter. Newell apparently has a knock. Starting to think Vente is just poor. Get the impression a few not exactly bursting a gut. Key point of the season critical fans stay with him. Get Kerr in and get a leader on the pitch please.

[JimBHibees]

I’ll judge us against the team from the 2nd half of last season.

He’s made us worse. Without a shadow of a doubt. He’s not shown a single thing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

Think at moment that is right however remember that team getting a much bigger boys against men horsing from Rangers last season at ER also. He has had no window and is trying to change it. Needs a proper chance.

[lyonhibs]

He won’t be here next season. I’ve absolutely no doubt about that.

Yup, if he's here in 365 days time I'll be astonished and disappointed

[Since90+2]

Yup, if he's here in 365 days time I'll be astonished and disappointed

If he lasts that long he'll have turned things around so I personally wouldn't be disappointed.

[lyonhibs]

If he lasts that long he'll have turned things around so I personally wouldn't be disappointed.

Given his slavish devotion to a formation we don't have the players for and a style of play that doesn't get the most of the players we do have, it would also be astonishing :greengrin. Think he'll be gone in a couple of months if these performances and results continue.

[Hibee Mac]

I think people are giving him too much credit by saying he doesn't have the players to do what he wants to do.

Even if he signed a whole new first 11 I just don't trust that this style of football would be paying off.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

I think people are giving him too much credit by saying he doesn't have the players to do what he wants to do.

Even if he signed a whole new first 11 I just don't trust that this style of football would be paying off.

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:agree:

[sean]

I want to know what it is we actually trying to do?

Passing in a half moon shape round our back 4 then onto the goalie isn’t a style of play, it’s just a pattern of play that’s having no direct impact on us going forward up the pitch.

Massively over complicating the SPFL. We must be the easiest team to play against with a slow, laboured build up when all the opposition are doing is waiting for us to make a mistake then stealing the ball and countering us, it’s happened for a few months now and will keep happening.

I will maintain weve good players, better than our 6 wins this season would suggest but we are over complicating it, over passing it, over coaching and fussing over small details.


Biggest question for me.. has he improved the team?

[clashcityhibby]

The thing that gets me with Hibs right now is how utterly boring it is to watch and thats a horrible thing to have to say. Its become soulless. I said to my mate walking back after the game that despite the fact that they had better players than us the least we should get is making them work for what they got and we didnt. The 2nd goal summed it up, the build up saw a few passes in our half and we put absolutely no pressure on the ball at all, it is just far too easy for opposition and so labored from us. We play around at the back then when under pressure lump it forward aimlessly when surely when we first have possession of the ball if your gonna lump it forward then its easier to find someone when you are not being put under pressure. There is no build up through midfield at all these days and I really don't see where we are going apart from a season of mediocrity and bottom 6.

[Brightside]

We made a load of chances they weren’t boring.

[clashcityhibby]

We made a load of chances they weren’t boring.

Can't remember a load of em, a free header and a snap shot first half and a sitter of a chance in the second, thats about it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can't remember a load of em, a free header and a snap shot first half and a sitter of a chance in the second, thats about it.

There wasn’t a load of them.

[BoomtownHibees]

We made a load of chances they weren’t boring.

A load is pushing it

[Winston Ingram]

I think people are giving him too much credit by saying he doesn't have the players to do what he wants to do.

Even if he signed a whole new first 11 I just don't trust that this style of football would be paying off.

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The whole concept of 'wait til he gets his own players', is utter nonsense.

This squad qualified for Europe last year and put in some excellent performances in the 2nd half of last season.

Monty has come in and absolutely destroyed it.

[Winston Ingram]

We made a load of chances they weren’t boring.

Tbf, it's loads in comparison to what we've been creating in previous games under him.

2 I counted. The header that skimmed the post at a set piece and Levitts chance.

[Greenbeard]

I’d say time has come for him to change things up, fine, he has a favoured formation / system / whatever but it’s not worked, if he’s a decent coach or a manager with any sort of realistic hope to compete at this level, then he has to adjust.

If he’s literally got one plan and won’t change, he never should have got the job, and likely won’t keep this one much longer.
Aye but the sensible time to do that was during the winter break with a test run-out first game back against a side ranked 40th out of the 42 league clubs.

[B.H.F.C]

The whole concept of 'wait til he gets his own players', is utter nonsense.

This squad qualified for Europe last year and put in some excellent performances in the 2nd half of last season.

Monty has come in and absolutely destroyed it.

What we have been playing didn’t qualify for Europe. Look at that team last night; Megwa, Obita, Levitt, Tavares, Maolida, Vente weren’t there last season. Of the subs Doidge, Marcondes, Whittaker and Amos weren’t there.

Monty is currently making a **** of it but we weren’t having to play left backs at centre half, 16 year olds at right back. The importance of a good striker, Nisbet, can’t be overlooked second half of last season also.

[Greenbeard]

What we have been playing didn’t qualify for Europe. Look at that team last night; Megwa, Obita, Levitt, Tavares, Maolida, Vente weren’t there last season. Of the subs Doidge, Marcondes, Whittaker and Amos weren’t there.

Monty is currently making a **** of it but we weren’t having to play left backs at centre half, 16 year olds at right back. The importance of a good striker, Nisbet, can’t be overlooked second half of last season also.
.....who was one of the better performers.

[B.H.F.C]

.....who was one of the better performers.

He was but that only tells you how weak wee are in that position. Playing hem there also weakens us a left back.

The neglect of our defence is shocking. I really don’t get it.

[GreenGray]

I would find it easier to give him the benefit of the doubt if he had actually had evidence to back up what he is trying works.

I can barely remember a single good performance, yes you can use examples of managers taking time to adjust but I am sure when Ange and Pep were implementing their systems there were signs of positivity.

I am baffled to be honest, I actually think we have a decent squad, certainly a squad that should be performing better than it is.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think you are wrong …. and I hate to imagine who will be if you are right … please not the usual names we read here time and time again …

.. who is your choice though ?

If you mean Derek McInness then i would take him if it meant we sacked Monty now and appointed him this afternoon.

There is a real snobbish thing these days with Hibs fans, who look down their nose at someone with his record, and want us appointing managers who've done **** all but talk a good game like this one or Maloney or the last car salesman Johnson.

[CockneyRebel]

Aye but the sensible time to do that was during the winter break with a test run-out first game back against a side ranked 40th out of the 42 league clubs.

Insanity, insanity, they've all got it ........ ah ***te

[LaMotta]

If you mean Derek McInness then i would take him if it meant we sacked Monty now and appointed him this afternoon.

There is a real snobbish thing these days with Hibs fans, who look down their nose at someone with his record, and want us appointing managers who've done **** all but talk a good game like this one or Maloney or the last car salesman Johnson.

Spot on. And the problem is that the club hierarchy has listened to those voices.

[Since452]

Have they performed at their clubs ? Which ones, I’m curious …

McInness and Robinson spring to mind. Both have finished 3rd in our the league. Both have got to cup finals and both are overachieving at their respective clubs at the moment.

[Stevie Reid]

If you mean Derek McInness then i would take him if it meant we sacked Monty now and appointed him this afternoon.

There is a real snobbish thing these days with Hibs fans, who look down their nose at someone with his record, and want us appointing managers who've done **** all but talk a good game like this one or Maloney or the last car salesman Johnson.

100% - I said a few weeks back that I fully believe that if McInnes had come in and the performances and results had been the same as NM’s, the McInnes detractors would be slaughtering the style of play, and use of the same formation, as evidence of him being a dinosaur, out of touch etc.

Similarly, if NM had improved us as much as DM has improved Killie this season - including beating Celtic twice and Rangers once - he’d (correctly) be heralded on here.

Perception goes a long way in football, both ways. McInnes impressive career in Scotland gets diminished so often by so many - whereas NM has many convinced that we’re inevitably on the road to great success, despite the fact that we are in decline.

It’s truly a funny old game.

[JammyDoidger]

He didn’t say pack it in … he was reminding you of the inevitable difference cash makes … for example, hearts fans would remember that from their cheating years when they won the cup … it’s just showing his obvious frustration at the fact it comes down to money in the end, and little else. Doesn’t mean we don’t keep trying.

Then we should be skooshing teams like livi, Dundee, basically most of the teams outwith hearts and Aberdeen with relative ease..rarely happens. We've had more money put into the squad over the last couple years than we ever have and yet here we are bored to tears watching us every week. The managers job is to get the best out of what he has, he's the coach. If he can't do it, it's onto the next we can't just keep accepting what he's putting out every week, other managers would bite his hand off for our squad and budget. This whole waiting till he's had so many transfer windows or so many players brought in is a nonsense a decent manager gets the best out of what he has, and he's so far away from doing so.