Hibs v Motherwell

[VoltaireHibs]

Hallelujah. Take a goal any way it comes!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

What a team! ☺️

[Hibs90]

When are we going to start questioning the board?

Multiple failed managers in a row
Poor recruitment
Poor results overall

[SaulGoodman]

Squad is not fit for purpose, he deserves the chance to bring in a few of his players, not ***** that Johnson brought in.

A good manager would get more out of the players we have. He’s took a player that looked like a good goalscorer before he came in and turned him into a box to box midfielder. He’s came in and said he’s not deviating from his favoured formation even though the players we’ve got don’t suit it at all.

He’s took a team that was good at scoring goals and bad at defending and made them bad at both.

[Helensburghhibs]

Away knee sliding a draw instead of getting back to go again sums it up. Brain dead

[Stuart93]

A point at home to Motherwell still feels like a L

[NC1875]

Youan celebrating 😂

Get the ball and go again.

Embarassing

[Trinity Hibee]

When are we going to start questioning the board?

Multiple failed managers in a row
Poor recruitment
Poor results overall

They’ve been here 4.5 years and although things off the pitch have improved, on the pitch we have regressed quite a bit

[cabbageandribs1875]

Motherwell just couldn't handle the extreme pressure we put them under :greengrin

[IanM]

Must be the only hibs goal I’ve not celebrated .. consider cheering the next

[SaulGoodman]

Bet Motherwell will still score again.

[sleeping giant]

Fine but we need a goal.

Fish or Vente from a corner or free kick?

I never subbed him 😁

[GreenCastle]

A point at home to Motherwell still feels like a L

100%

Especially after being 1-0 up.

[cabbageandribs1875]

could have done with mallan for that free kick at the end :wink:

[Jim44]

Still a rubbish result. No grounds for any satisfaction. We remain the biggest soft touches in the league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Full time. Absolutely ***** again.

[Since452]

***** result. ***** performance. Again.

[berwickhibee]

[QUOTE=SaulGoodman;7540650]A good manager would get more out of the players we have. He’s took a player that looked like a good goalscorer before he came in and turned him into a box to box midfielder. He’s came in and said he’s not deviating from his favoured formation even though the players we’ve got don’t suit it at all.

He’s took a team that was good at scoring goals and bad at defending and made them bad at both.[


Think that's unfair, he's done ok with his points haul.
/QUOTE]

Is the option sack him??

The man needs a couple of windows surely??

I agree with the formation tho, he needs to be more flexible and play what suits the players he has, until he can rectify it👍

[cabbageandribs1875]

one point out of six at home v hearts and motherwell is not bad going



don't have much hope for a point in our next home game though

[VoltaireHibs]

FT 2-2, not good enough, lots of work for everyone at Hibs to do.

[Lago]

Rescued a point, thank goodness for the winter break.

[The Modfather]

Frightening how much work is needed on this squad.

[GloryGlory]

one point out of six at home v hearts and motherwell is not bad going

No not bad - bloody shocking!

[SaulGoodman]

Booooo

[JammyDoidger]

Thank god there's a 3 week break, that's abysmal.

[Stuart93]

****ing ***** result

[HH81]

Very lucky point in the end.

Monty better have some decent signings up his sleeve.

[VoltaireHibs]

[QUOTE=SaulGoodman;7540650]A good manager would get more out of the players we have. He’s took a player that looked like a good goalscorer before he came in and turned him into a box to box midfielder. He’s came in and said he’s not deviating from his favoured formation even though the players we’ve got don’t suit it at all.

He’s took a team that was good at scoring goals and bad at defending and made them bad at both.[


Think that's unfair, he's done ok with his points haul.
/QUOTE]

Is the option sack him??

The man needs a couple of windows surely??

I agree with the formation tho, he needs to be more flexible and play what suits the players he has, until he can rectify it👍

NM's addiction to 4-4-2 will be his downfall. Call it arrogance or stubborness, whatever, it won't work in this league, on Hibs budget, on the time scales given to SPL managers.

[GreenGray]

We look like such an easy team to play against. For all our possession we rarely threaten and our defence is powder puff.


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[NC1875]

We must be the least streetwise team in the league.

Youan away celebrating after the equaliser. ****in idiot honestly.

It’s not an achievement, get the ball and go again.

Another terrible performance and result under NM.

He’ll no doubt tell us we were good though.

[Rumble de Thump]

Injuries and international call ups have left us threadbare. Good to see Mckirdy get a few minutes. Two weeks now to bring in reinforcements.

[Heisenberg]

Honestly how bad are we when we concede? Flying till they scored then fell to bits. Didnt improve after half time either. Been the same issue since Monty arrived, concede a goal and we can’t handle it.

[Unseen work]

Levitt was unbelievably lazy for the foul for the second goal, ridiculous and just amateur, that’s what Motherwell rely on

[SHODAN]

Get players in please.

[neil7908]

Really frustrating as I thought we were great for the first few 30 minutes.

After that it was clear they twigged our only threat was to get the ball wide to Youan or Tavares so started doubling up. Once that happened we had nothing else.

3-4 players needed urgently.

[Tambo]

Salvaged a point and a boooo at full time, still very disappointed with another week of dropped points.

A good sub to bring Rudi on who brought some energy, this system looks good on paper with the right players, second half again very slow and a lack of quality or belief to break down Motherwell at home.

[The Modfather]

[QUOTE=berwickhibee;7540668]

NM's addiction to 4-4-2 will be his downfall. Call it arrogance or stubborness, whatever, it won't work in this league, on Hibs budget, on the time scales given to SPL managers.

This squad has seen off Ross, Maloney & Johnson in the last 2 1/2 seasons. They might well add Montgomery to that list before the season is out. Whether Montgomery is sacked or not it’s undeniable a ruthless clear out is needed.

[blackpoolhibs]

Only 11 points from 3rd, it's back on.

[CCM4LIFE]

You guys gotta give him a window.

[Unseen work]

We need to get out strikers involved.

Every week they offer next to nothing and hardly get a touch of the ball.

Criminal

[heretoday]

Looking forward to a break from Hibs.

[Smartie]

I’d have probably taken a point when I saw the team and bench.

The footballing department of the club is an absolute shambles.

I have grave reservations about this manager. He’s so far built a system that is miles weaker than the sum of its parts. He needs to bring his own players in, but I honestly don’t believe that the players he needs to do justice to his system exist on our budget.

The season is a write-off tbh. Again.

[J-C]

We'll get nowhere playing the odd good 30 minutes here aand there, either the players are mentally weak, the manager is, or both. We can't afford a new team but we need at least 5-6 at the very least, another bloody transition period again.

[cabbageandribs1875]

You guys gotta give him a window.


does he have a preference for which one :greengrin

[SaulGoodman]

You guys gotta give him a window.

He’ll get one. And it better be a good one or you might be welcoming him back.

[Hibernian Verse]

We literally almost need a whole new team at this point.


The defence is woeful. /Fish/Rocky/Hanlon/Stevenson/Miller nowhere near good enough

We need a sprinkling of quality in various areas of the park. 4 quality signings would transform this team.

[HarpOnHibee]

68% possession and 3 shots on target. Pretty much sums us up. It's all well and good if the team is consistently clinical and has a rock solid defence. But unfortunately we don't. There's a serious lack of conviction in our play.

[GreenCastle]

3 weeks to sit on this result…great

I hope by the next game we have new starters.

Not young up and coming project / B team players - guys who instantly make us better..and a midfield.

If we don’t sort central midfield or bring in better defenders who are starters Monty will not survive long.

[CCM4LIFE]

He’ll get one. And it better be a good one or you might be welcoming him back.

https://c.tenor.com/iNJ3cA3wV18AAAAC/tenor.gif

[USA_Hibee]

You guys gotta give him a window. The guy who coined the phrase "muttlike behaviour" coming in here and talking some sense :greengrin

I am excited to see what he does this window and I hope he gets the summer window too.

[Golden Bear]

Total domination but apart from our two goals we only tested their keeper once.

I honestly didn't think the performance was as bad as many think.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Total domination but apart from our two goals we only tested their keeper once.

I honestly didn't think the performance was as bad as many think.

From the moment they equalised we were horrendous.

[Paulie Walnuts]

[QUOTE=VoltaireHibs;7540683]

This squad has seen off Ross, Maloney & Johnson in the last 2 1/2 seasons. They might well add Montgomery to that list before the season is out. Whether Montgomery is sacked or not it’s undeniable a ruthless clear out is needed.

The squad is massively different from the one that Ross or Maloney had. The majority of players that featured in both of there final matches have gone.

[WhileTheChief..]

Get players in please.

We will probably get players in, but they will be youngsters “with potential”.

Seems like all we’re bothered about is being able to sell players on for a profit, doesn’t matter if they produce for us whilst they’re here though!

The squad we have now is every bit as bad as those we had under Butcher or Duffy.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Total domination but apart from our two goals we only tested their keeper once.

I honestly didn't think the performance was as bad as many think.

That doesn’t sound like total domination to me. That sounds toothless.

[Basildon Hibs]

Get players in please.

Get players out !!

[mcohibs]

Our lack of shots on goal in recent games is really worrying. General lack of urgency in our play with an inability to properly capitalise when we’re on top has now become the trademark of this team.

Transfers needed. Change in attitude needed. As someone else points out, Youan off celebrating in front of the fans as if he’s scored the winner in a derby, whilst salvaging an equaliser at home to Motherwell sums it up.

[cabbageandribs1875]

stats

possession 68%/32%

shots 13/9

shots on target 3/4

corners 7/3

fouls 10/10

[Heisenberg]

Our lack of shots on goal in recent games is really worrying. General lack of urgency in our play with an inability to properly capitalise when we’re on top has now become the trademark of this team.

Transfers needed. Change in attitude needed. As someone else points out, Youan off celebrating in front of the fans as if he’s scored the winner in a derby, whilst salvaging an equaliser at home to Motherwell sums it up.

The fact that we are also still conceding soft as ***** goals every week is more of a worry for me. Fish/Hanlon/Rocky just not good enough. Both starting fullbacks not the best at times either.

[number9dream]

I’d have probably taken a point when I saw the team and bench.

The footballing department of the club is an absolute shambles.

I have grave reservations about this manager. He’s so far built a system that is miles weaker than the sum of its parts. He needs to bring his own players in, but I honestly don’t believe that the players he needs to do justice to his system exist on our budget.

The season is a write-off tbh. Again.

It does look that way… Six wins from 20 in the league is utterly miserable.

[Spike Mandela]

If we can't beat teams like Motherwell at home we are simply not good enough.

Motherwell were there for the beating today and we made a real mess of it. Most teams in the league would have beaten that Motherwell team today.Thought they wrre one of the poorest teams we have faced this season.

[skyehibee]

Worst team we’ve played this season at home and we still couldn’t beat them. Not good enough and we will be nowhere near 4/5th come end of the season.

[The Modfather]

The squad is massively different from the one that Ross or Maloney had. The majority of players that featured in both of there final matches have gone.

Hanlon
Stevenson
Cadden
Newell
Boyle
Doidge
JDH
Campbell

Were all here as far back as Ross.

Rocky
Henderson

Plus the above all here from Maloney - Montgomery.

Add in poor recruitment on top of that core and I can understand why we’re in danger of sacking our 4th manager in under 3 seasons.

[cubehindthegoal]

The guy who coined the phrase "muttlike behaviour" coming in here and talking some sense :greengrin

I am excited to see what he does this window and I hope he gets the summer window too.

Exactly ! If he doesn’t then it would be totally ridiculous … and sum up our failings as a club for the past fair few years … to expect a manager to come in and not be able to move on any players, nor sign any players, and want him gone already like some clearly do, as he has not managed to find success yet (how long has it been again since he came in 🙄) … jeez …. get a grip folks, and come back in a years time with your gripes and justifications - and suggestions for improvement that might actually work - IF he hasn’t managed by then to show us the positive way forward I believe he can imo.

[B.H.F.C]

The fact that we are also still conceding soft as ***** goals every week is more of a worry for me. Fish/Hanlon/Rocky just not good enough. Both starting fullbacks not the best at times either.

Posted on another thread that it’s now 7 occasions where we have scored twice in a game but failed to win. The goals we lost today were nothing to do with the shape of the team or anything like that, exactly the same as the goal Shankland scored last week. Players consistently fail to do the basics defensively.

Nobody outside the big two have scored more. Despite popular opinion, that is far from our biggest issue.

[cubehindthegoal]

Hanlon
Stevenson
Cadden
Newell
Boyle
Doidge
JDH
Campbell

Were all here as far back as Ross.

Rocky
Henderson

Plus the above all here from Maloney - Montgomery.

Add in poor recruitment on top of that core and I can understand why we’re in danger of sacking our 4th manager in under 3 seasons.

And yet the manager we would sack has not had the chance to move on any of these players yet, nor bring in new ones.

[raeburnhibs]

Our lack of shots on goal in recent games is really worrying. General lack of urgency in our play with an inability to properly capitalise when we’re on top has now become the trademark of this team.

Transfers needed. Change in attitude needed. As someone else points out, Youan off celebrating in front of the fans as if he’s scored the winner in a derby, whilst salvaging an equaliser at home to Motherwell sums it up.
An equaliser is better than no equaliser though right?

[Hibees1973]

New Year, same old problems.

Cannot defend and constantly losing goals.

Also the customary 3 shots on target today. Is seldom more than 4 this season.

Abysmal, slow, eye bleeding stuff.

And Montgomery said a couple of days ago he's turned us around.

[andrew_dundee]

The first half hour was some of the best play we've done for a while. The defending on their goals was a shambles. We should have a deep enough team to cover for injuries and players being away, but as Money hasn't had a window yet I dont think he can be blamed for that.

3 or 4 quality signings could transform our team and results. I hope he gets the backing to do it.

[mcohibs]

An equaliser is better than no equaliser though right?

Equalising at home to Motherwell, should be bursting a gut to get that ball out the back of the net and back to kick off to get a winner.

Not knee sliding in front of the East like you’ve just won the game then plastering it all over Instagram when you’re likely still sitting in the changing room.

[andrew_dundee]

On the Youan celebrations, at least he looked like he cared. He got both our goals and despite issues and errors he got stuck in. Doidge on the other hand was totally anonymous.

[Hibees1973]

We will be top 6, probably 5th. Players back, new additions, more time to bed in the ideas. No panic.

And congratulations to everyone at Hibs, if this is achieved.

Jesus.

[Saint Hibee]

Only Neil Francis Lennon can save us now!

[cubehindthegoal]

Only Neil Francis Lennon can save us now!

lol

[Gatecrasher]

It was a pretty miserable afternoon watching us, we are really toiling to break teams down and are playing at a pedestrian pace that suits every other team in Scotland apart from us. I'm not sure what a number of our players are supposed to bring to the team, one of them being Vente. Why isn't this guy getting on the end of some of the cracking balls being put across the opposition goal? The only player I'm excited to have the ball is Tavares who really looks like he's enjoying his football right now.

[neil7908]

Posted on another thread that it’s now 7 occasions where we have scored twice in a game but failed to win. The goals we lost today were nothing to do with the shape of the team or anything like that, exactly the same as the goal Shankland scored last week. Players consistently fail to do the basics defensively.

Nobody outside the big two have scored more. Despite popular opinion, that is far from our biggest issue.

Very well put. 433 does nothing to help us today.

It would be Jeggo on for Doidge. Does anyone honestly think that wins us the game?

Both of their goals were nothing to do with formation. Yes we didn't create a huge amount but we lose far, far too many cheap goals.

We need a bit of steel in the team. Formation doesn't stop sloppy goals or individual errors.

[worcesterhibby]

Only Neil Francis Lennon can save us now!

Ginger Loser... I want Roy Keane !

[Smartie]

Very well put. 433 does nothing to help us today.

It would be Jeggo on for Doidge. Does anyone honestly think that wins us the game?

Both of their goals were nothing to do with formation. Yes we didn't create a huge amount but we lose far, far too many cheap goals.

We need a bit of steel in the team. Formation doesn't stop sloppy goals or individual errors.

I do.

Pull Jeggo deep so he can focus on winning the ball back and recycling possession to players more likely to do something with it and help protect the centre halves. Stick Levitt forward into a position where his passing can hurt team and his defending / work rate won’t hurt us. Instead of having Vente tanking about in midfield have him on the shoulder of the last defender where he himself said he prefers to play and where he presumably got the decent goal return he got in Holland over the past couple of seasons.

One tweak in personnel, several square pegs for the round holes.

Agree with you about the cheap goals FWIW but I think these changes would just improve us over the 90 minutes.

[JohnM1875]

Haven’t seen anything back yet, so could be well off the mark. But surely Marshall has to at least try and punch the ball headed back across our box for their second?

[greenlex]

Hanlon
Stevenson
Cadden
Newell
Boyle
Doidge
JDH
Campbell

Were all here as far back as Ross.

Rocky
Henderson

Plus the above all here from Maloney - Montgomery.

Add in poor recruitment on top of that core and I can understand why we’re in danger of sacking our 4th manager in under 3 seasons.
We are miles away from sacking Montgomery. FFS folk need to take a breath. He’s not. Had one window. Not one.

[Crab apple]

From the moment they equalised we were horrendous.

Pretty much how I saw it. Both teams looked like relegation candidates in the second half. Misplaced passes aplenty.

[Joe6-2]

Very lucky point in the end.

Monty better have some decent signings up his sleeve.

Doesn’t bear thinking about if he hasn’t

[500miles]

I thought we we're bullied as soon as they isolated Whittaker up against Bair. When whittaker came off we competed again, but Stevenson wasn't comfortable enough on his right to play the short sharp passes infield. When we went 3 at the back we were able to play on top of thier defence which suited us a lot more.

I'd like to see what was going on with Doidge when we put that last ball into the box, because the defender nearly had the shirt off his back - which should be a pen given the current VAR situation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hanlon
Stevenson
Cadden
Newell
Boyle
Doidge
JDH
Campbell

Were all here as far back as Ross.

Rocky
Henderson

Plus the above all here from Maloney - Montgomery.

Add in poor recruitment on top of that core and I can understand why we’re in danger of sacking our 4th manager in under 3 seasons.

Jack Ross only left 2 years ago. That’s 8 players in a squad of about 25. It’s hardly the ‘same squad of players’, Infact that’s a huge turnover of players in that sort of space of time and in the case of a good few of them, they can’t be accused of contributing to Jack Ross’ sacking. In fact Martin Boyle and Doidge were outstanding for him.

[B.H.F.C]

Very well put. 433 does nothing to help us today.

It would be Jeggo on for Doidge. Does anyone honestly think that wins us the game?

Both of their goals were nothing to do with formation. Yes we didn't create a huge amount but we lose far, far too many cheap goals.

We need a bit of steel in the team. Formation doesn't stop sloppy goals or individual errors.

I should say, I’d favour us going to a three in the middle of the park. I don’t think the current shape can’t work but it won’t work all the time (as we have seen).

As soon as we drop points or whatever, the cries are about the formation. People have made up their mind it the sole issue and to blame for everything. It just isn’t, not even close.

[Kentao1985]

The first 30 minutes were the most enjoyable to watch in a long time, total dominance, with fast attacking wing play and decent balls into the box begging for a striker to get on the end of. We could have been a couple up before we eventually scored.

Motherwell equalise with their first real attack and we struggle to get going again in the attacking sense. Before you know it we're a goal down and chasing a game we have dominated.

Hopefully Monty can bring in a couple of gems who go straight into the starting 11.

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[ekhibee]

I thought we were quite good in the 1st half but that might of been partly due to Motherwell being really *****. 2nd half we were as bad as they had been in the 1st half and I came away with mixed emotions, 1/ that we created enough chances in the 1st half to win it, 2/ that we were really really poor in the 2nd half and 3/ Youan scored 2 goals and got MOM but for me he was pretty poor for most of the game.

[Crunchie]

I thought we were quite good in the 1st half but that might of been partly due to Motherwell being really *****. 2nd half we were as bad as they had been in the 1st half and I came away with mixed emotions, 1/ that we created enough chances in the 1st half to win it, 2/ that we were really really poor in the 2nd half and 3/ Youan scored 2 goals and got MOM but for me he was pretty poor for most of the game.
We were outstanding for 30 minutes and with a bit of luck would have been out of sight with a makeshift team.

[TrinityHFC]

We were outstanding for 30 minutes and with a bit of luck would have been out of sight with a makeshift team.

Not that makeshift really. Hanlon and Doidge are established first team players. One young player starting, fair enough.

[Crunchie]

Not that makeshift really. Hanlon and Doidge are established first team players. One young player starting, fair enough.
Neither would be playing if Rocky and Boyle were here, Hanlon is finished.

[AlbertK86]

He's being asked to do the job of two midfielders. Without him we would be bottom 3.

Spot on


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[AlbertK86]

Haven’t seen anything back yet, so could be well off the mark. But surely Marshall has to at least try and punch the ball headed back across our box for their second?

Yep … absolutely dreadful from Marshall. Should have come and taken the initial ball in and the ball that came back across his six yard box. Stood and watched.

Saw somebody suggest he gets a new contract…. Not for me.


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[superfurryhibby]

Neither would be playing if Rocky and Boyle were here, Hanlon is finished.

Hanlon didn't look finished to me yesterday. \The difference in his quality on the ball and passing range just reminded me as to how poor Rocky (and to a lesser extent Fish) are at moving the ball effectively.

[sean]

Hanlon didn't look finished to me yesterday. \The difference in his quality on the ball and passing range just reminded me as to how poor Rocky (and to a lesser extent Fish) are at moving the ball effectively.

Agreed

[1620]

The first 30 minutes were the most enjoyable to watch in a long time, total dominance, with fast attacking wing play and decent balls into the box begging for a striker to get on the end of. We could have been a couple up before we eventually scored.

Motherwell equalise with their first real attack and we struggle to get going again in the attacking sense. Before you know it we're a goal down and chasing a game we have dominated.

Hopefully Monty can bring in a couple of gems who go straight into the starting 11.

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I was at the match and like you I thoroughly enjoyed the first 30 minutes. I wondered at the time why the system appeared to be working so well compared to previous games and I am convinced it was because as soon as Hibs got possession of the ball Motherwell simply retreated to get 10 men behind the ball asap. There was no high press from them as a result of which the our two centre backs had plenty of time to set up attacks. Other teams have used the high press against us and won turnover ball fairly easily.
Once Motherwell equalised it was almost as if panic set in!
I think NM will need more than a couple of gems brought in for the starting lineups because there are a lot of issues to resolve.

[heretoday]

Only Neil Francis Lennon can save us now!

I doubt he'd be interested.

[Northernhibee]

I doubt he'd be interested.

He’d be more likely to get us relegated.

[Northernhibee]

Hanlon didn't look finished to me yesterday. \The difference in his quality on the ball and passing range just reminded me as to how poor Rocky (and to a lesser extent Fish) are at moving the ball effectively.

Correct.

[Tyler Durden]

Hanlon didn't look finished to me yesterday. \The difference in his quality on the ball and passing range just reminded me as to how poor Rocky (and to a lesser extent Fish) are at moving the ball effectively.

Which is great but Hanlon was equally bad at defending. At the 2nd goal he's moving towards his own goal, watching the ball all the way.....all he had to do was head over his own bar to concede a corner. Instead he heads the ball back towards the penalty spot. Incredibly poor judgement.