Pretty Dreadful

[One Day Soon]

We're just not good enough to play that system. I'm not sure the system itself is even that sensible anyway.

We are now painful to watch, inconsistent, largely still lumbered with the same stunted squad Ian Gordon fathered, taking the best attributes of our best players and misusing them, seemingly incapable of mixing up our playing style mid-game when opportunities present themselves and apparently bereft of quick thinking players.

This isn't working.

[Silky]

We're just not good enough to play that system. I'm not sure the system itself is even that sensible anyway.

We are now painful to watch, inconsistent, largely still lumbered with the same stunted squad Ian Gordon fathered, taking the best attributes of our best players and misusing them, seemingly incapable of mixing up our playing style mid-game when opportunities present themselves and apparently bereft of quick thinking players.

This isn't working.

I hear that a lot. What is the solution? We've watched Hibs long enough to know. What WILL work?

[Trinity Hibee]

Dreadful from both teams but somehow we find a way to top Hearts in the wrong sense

[One Day Soon]

I hear that a lot. What is the solution? We've watched Hibs long enough to know. What WILL work?

**** knows, I'm not a manager. Or a club Chief Executive. Or an owner. But some combination of those things will need to develop the self awareness to recognise that its a mess and then do whatever football people do to start to turn it around. Maybe it's money, maybe it's signings strategy, maybe it's tactics, maybe it's leadership, maybe it's the mentality of the squad and the wider club.

Whatever it is, it's horrible to watch.

[Chorley Hibee]

**** knows, I'm not a manager. Or a club Chief Executive. Or an owner. But some combination of those things will need to develop the self awareness to recognise that its a mess and then do whatever football people do to start to turn it around. Maybe it's money, maybe it's signings strategy, maybe it's tactics, maybe it's leadership, maybe it's the mentality of the squad and the wider club.

Whatever it is, it's horrible to watch.

The mentality of the club stinks, and it has done for far too long.

That's the reason I'm 100% behind this Foley investment, as it can't possibly be any worse than what we're repeatedly served up.

[SHODAN]

It's no the best

[Sprouleflyer]

I’m no formation expert but 442 every week gives the other team an advantage knowing how we will play. He never changes formation during games just puts the subs into the players position he is changing. Hearts played something like a 4231 formation, effectively a 451 formation and were able to play triangles all over the midfield against our 4. It wasn’t until the last 20 mins where I thought we gained some form of control of the game and looked more likely to score…..but didn’t. Why play Boyle as a forward, he’s a winger, play him in that position and see if he can set up our £750k striker with chances? Have we ever dominated a game under Monty?

[DaveF]

The mentality of the club stinks, and it has done for far too long.

That's the reason I'm 100% behind this Foley investment, as it can't possibly be any worse than what we're repeatedly served up.

Amen to that

[McGruber]

Massive outlay on both Vente and Youan and playing to neithers strengths. Could probably add Levitt to that list

[Pretty Boy]

The mentality of the club stinks, and it has done for far too long.

That's the reason I'm 100% behind this Foley investment, as it can't possibly be any worse than what we're repeatedly served up.

Yep I'm at the point where Foley could pitch up in his MAGA hat chanting 'build the wall' in the centre circle and I'd park my principles and welcome him as the Messiah because I'm so sick of being utter pish.

[hibeerealist]

I’m no formation expert but 442 every week gives the other team an advantage knowing how we will play. He never changes formation during games just puts the subs into the players position he is changing. Hearts played something like a 4231 formation, effectively a 451 formation and were able to play triangles all over the midfield against our 4. It wasn’t until the last 20 mins where I thought we gained some form of control of the game and looked more likely to score…..but didn’t. Why play Boyle as a forward, he’s a winger, play him in that position and see if he can set up our £750k striker with chances? Have we ever dominated a game under Monty?

His absolute faith in his system might end his career at HFC, we are bored stiff watching it and can't understand why he doesn't play Boyle as a winger and Vente as a CF. Not at all sure why he fails to grasp this or just ignores it to his ultimate peril.

[Trinity Hibee]

The mentality of the club stinks, and it has done for far too long.

That's the reason I'm 100% behind this Foley investment, as it can't possibly be any worse than what we're repeatedly served up.

Well said

[B.H.F.C]

We can talk about formations all day, and there is definitely merit in it, but when players are incapable of passing to each other and want, or are being instructed to, play at walking pace, that’s an even bigger issue for me.

Football is pretty simple at times and you need use the crowd in a derby when you’re at home. Play with a bit of heart and put a bit pressure on the opposition. We didn’t do that at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Massive outlay on both Vente and Youan and playing to neithers strengths. Could probably add Levitt to that list

And Boyle who we apparently wrote off a huge sum for.

The way we set up has ruined everyone of what is supposed to be our best players. It’s suicidal to think that is going to end up successful.

[B.H.F.C]

And Boyle who we apparently wrote off a huge sum for.

The way we set up has ruined everyone of what is supposed to be our best players. It’s suicidal to think that is going to end up successful.

Boyle slightly different for me. He’s not the same player that he was 18 months ago. I’m to his 30s and another ACL catching up with him. There were times tonight that, in days gone past, he would have just kicked the ball past players and ran past them. That pace isn’t there now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Boyle slightly different for me. He’s not the same player that he was 18 months ago. I’m to his 30s and another ACL catching up with him. There were times tonight that, in days gone past, he would have just kicked the ball past players and ran past them. That pace isn’t there now.

To an extent I’d agree, although Boyle was offering so much more before Montgomery came in. He’s maybe not the Boyle of old, but he could be offering so much more than he currently is. He’s played 3 games for Australia this season for example, two of them against sides miles above our level (England and Mexico) and scored 1 and assisted 2. He should still be offering so much more but the football we play is ruining him and others imo.

[B.H.F.C]

To an extent I’d agree, although Boyle was offering so much more before Montgomery came in. He’s maybe not the Boyle of old, but he could be offering so much more than he currently is. He’s played 3 games for Australia this season for example, two of them against sides miles above our level (England and Mexico) and scored 1 and assisted 2. He should still be offering so much more but the football we play is ruining him and others imo.

I think he’d probably offer more out wide than through the middle even in current system. He’s always been one that can do a job up front but he’s always been better out wide.

I think the formation is part of the problem, at times, but the players themselves need to be doing more. Boyle misses a penalty and Vente misses two good chances inside the box as well (I think he ended up making a mess of the one that led to the penalty and it was going straight at Clark anyway). For all the talk of lack of chances one of them has to be a goal.

I still think the way Montgomery wants to play is more of a problem than the formation. You can’t show such a lack of intent for such large parts in a derby.

[wookie70]

I think we would both be better to watch and gain more points if we played Doidge up top and got it in the opposition's half as quickly as we could. I'm not a great fan of Doidge but he looks really mobile again and winning most of his battles. It was incredible how long we persisted with Vente tonight as he was gone at about 70 minutes and Doidge did pretty well again when he came on. Dreadful is a fair description of the way we are attempting to play and how well we are achieving that.

[CentreForward]

Massive outlay on both Vente and Youan and playing to neithers strengths. Could probably add Levitt to that list


Correct!

[mcohibs]

We can talk about formations all day, and there is definitely merit in it, but when players are incapable of passing to each other and want, or are being instructed to, play at walking pace, that’s an even bigger issue for me.

Football is pretty simple at times and you need use the crowd in a derby when you’re at home. Play with a bit of heart and put a bit pressure on the opposition. We didn’t do that at all.

100%. Honestly incredible how slow we were in possession and just general lethargy when it came to things like retrieving the ball when we had a set piece, even substitutions strolled off the pitch. No urgency, no desire.

[Chorley Hibee]

100%. Honestly incredible how slow we were in possession and just general lethargy when it came to things like retrieving the ball when we had a set piece, even substitutions strolled off the pitch. No urgency, no desire.

We had a break not long before Shankland's goal, where Doidge done as well as he could, but the lack of support, and more so the willingness to get up in support of him, was quite frankly a disgrace.

If you can't find the urgency and desire in that situation, then what is the ****ing point in them all.