One win this decade against Hearts

[Diclonius]

Five draws. Seven defeats. 9 goals scored, 21 conceded.

It's pretty depressing.

[Trinity Hibee]

Five draws. Seven defeats. 9 goals scored, 21 conceded.

It's pretty depressing.

Disgraceful record. But it’s been going on for years

[Diclonius]

Disgraceful record. But it’s been going on for years

It'd be nice if we could turn it around before I die.

[Stubbsy90+2]

That’s absolutely horrific.

[Stanton Spence]

I’m 51 and it seems like that has happened every decade since the 80s
I used to think it will even up in my lifetime eventually but that’s not gonna happen unless I live a long long time

[Hibernian Verse]

That’s absolutely horrific.

Did you go tonight for once?

[jamie_1875]

Disgraceful record. But it’s been going on for years

Indeed, the story of my life. I was actually thinking when was the last time we comfortably beat Hearts and were 3 goals up with 10 mins to play, would it have been the Millennium Derby when we won 3-0 at Tynecastle? I was at the 4-4 game so I don't even count 2 goals up in injury time as comfortable.

[neil7908]

I honestly dont get it. This is not a vintage Hearts team. They are decent but as we saw tonight, nothing special.

It genuinely feels like we're cursed or something given how many managers, chairman, backroom staff and players we've gone through over the years, only to see us continue to struggle against them. And the number of goals against the run of play, late winners etc they get is unreal.

We must have pissed off an ancient God somewhere down the line.

[Trinity Hibee]

Did you go tonight for once?

Sorry but what has that got to do with the thread?

[Diclonius]

Indeed, the story of my life. I was actually thinking when was the last time we comfortably beat Hearts and were 3 goals up with 10 mins to play, would it have been the Millennium Derby when we won 3-0 at Tynecastle? I was at the 4-4 game so I don't even count 2 goals up in injury time as comfortable.

6-2 and the Millennium derby are the only >2 goal wins in my lifetime. I had no interest in football at the time so missed both.

I honestly don't think I'll ever see us beat them by three or more.

[Trinity Hibee]

Indeed, the story of my life. I was actually thinking when was the last time we comfortably beat Hearts and were 3 goals up with 10 mins to play, would it have been the Millennium Derby when we won 3-0 at Tynecastle? I was at the 4-4 game so I don't even count 2 goals up in injury time as comfortable.

Last time was probably 3-1 under Lennon. Should have been more

[Widhibs]

Horrendous record ☹️

[jamie_1875]

6-2 and the Millennium derby are the only >2 goal wins in my lifetime. I had no interest in football at the time so missed both.

I honestly don't think I'll ever see us beat them by three or more.

I think we beat them 3-1 some years ago when Grant Holt scored but it's very rare for us to win comfortably and I have been going for nearly 40 years!

[Diclonius]

I think we beat them 3-1 some years ago when Grant Holt scored but it's very rare for us to win comfortably and I have been going for nearly 40 years!

Correct. The seven minutes we were 3-0 up is the one and only time I have seen us ahead by that much against them.

[Davy Mac]

I just dont get it, put Shankland in the stand first tackle, nah, not the Hibs team.

We've never signed the right players apart from the millenium team, gutless and toothless bunch.

[roc1]

6-2 and the Millennium derby are the only >2 goal wins in my lifetime. I had no interest in football at the time so missed both.

I honestly don't think I'll ever see us beat them by three or more.

I’m old enough to remember frequent wins before, and including 0-7 which I attended. Apart from a couple of previous mentioned unforgettable wins , our record is abysmal. I wish I knew what the answer was but I suspect it’s simply that they are always more up for the game than us🙄

[Diclonius]

I’m old enough to remember frequent wins before, and including 0-7 which I attended. Apart from a couple of previous mentioned unforgettable wins , our record is abysmal. I wish I knew what the answer was but I suspect it’s simply that they are always more up for the game than us🙄

They want it more. That's pretty much it.

[VoltaireHibs]

I honestly dont get it. This is not a vintage Hearts team. They are decent but as we saw tonight, nothing special.

It genuinely feels like we're cursed or something given how many managers, chairman, backroom staff and players we've gone through over the years, only to see us continue to struggle against them. And the number of goals against the run of play, late winners etc they get is unreal.

We must have pissed off an ancient God somewhere down the line.

I honestly think it just comes down to mentality. They have that record, that instills belief, and we just look flaky. Been that way for pretty much all of my time following Hibs, which is not far off 50 years.

[flash]

They want it more. That's pretty much it.

They didn't tonight.

[Davy Mac]

They want it more. That's pretty much it.

Thats the thing, they didnt, they have a game winner, we don't.

[Silky]

I honestly think it just comes down to mentality. They have that record, that instills belief, and we just look flaky. Been that way for pretty much all of my time following Hibs, which is not far off 50 years.

I think mentality does play a part in it. I know a few Hearts fans and the Derby is massive for them. In fact, there are guys who would happily see them go down, as long as they beat us 4 times. That's all they want. 12 points. As long as they beat Hibs, they don't give a ****. Maybe that's the way to go!🤣

[7Hero]

6-2 and the Millennium derby are the only >2 goal wins in my lifetime. I had no interest in football at the time so missed both.

I honestly don't think I'll ever see us beat them by three or more.

That's horrific stat. Fortunately I was at both games and you have made me me feel a bit better than I was tonight ..so thanks and I hope you live to see us beat them by such a margin one day.

[7Hero]

I think mentality does play a part in it. I know a few Hearts fans and the Derby is massive for them. In fact, there are guys who would happily see them go down, as long as they beat us 4 times. That's all they want. 12 points. As long as they beat Hibs, they don't give a ****. Maybe that's the way to go!🤣

What and none of us think like that ?

It's the mentality of the clubs that is the issue not the fans...

[Chorley Hibee]

6-2 and the Millennium derby are the only >2 goal wins in my lifetime. I had no interest in football at the time so missed both.

I honestly don't think I'll ever see us beat them by three or more.

Won 3-1 in the Scottish Cup at ER in 2017.

[Scotty Leither]

Maybe if senior figures at the club could hesitate to label this fixture “just another game”. - manager tonight, club captain last season, they might, just might, give off the impression that we want to win it as much as that mob do.

Perception, and all that…

[Real Emerald]

I honestly dont get it. This is not a vintage Hearts team. They are decent but as we saw tonight, nothing special.

It genuinely feels like we're cursed or something given how many managers, chairman, backroom staff and players we've gone through over the years, only to see us continue to struggle against them. And the number of goals against the run of play, late winners etc they get is unreal.

We must have pissed off an ancient God somewhere down the line.

The amount of screamers they’ve scored from outside the box is unbelievable.

[7Hero]

It's 2023, we still have time ..

Another absolute roaster of a post...

[JJP]

And yet our stadium was almost entirely full tonight. This club does not deserve the support it has these days. I felt totally mugged off leaving the stadium tonight.

[Davy Mac]

And yet our stadium was almost entirely full tonight. This club does not deserve the support it has these days. I felt totally mugged off leaving the stadium tonight.

How we keep our support is unbelievable really, 20,000+ for consistently failing.

[Steve-O]

Indeed, the story of my life. I was actually thinking when was the last time we comfortably beat Hearts and were 3 goals up with 10 mins to play, would it have been the Millennium Derby when we won 3-0 at Tynecastle? I was at the 4-4 game so I don't even count 2 goals up in injury time as comfortable.

6-2 game was 10 months after that but close enough!

[Johnny_Leith]

Am I right in thinking we've missed our last 3x pens against them? McNulty, Nisbet and now Boyle?

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

For whatever reason, the derby seems to mean more to the Hearts players and I have no reason why that is the case. Our record in derbies, which we all know is abysmal. Only the owners, management and players, past and present could tell you why thats the case. There is no logical reason as over the years, I really don't think Hearts have been that much better than Hibs, but they simply win the derbies.

[Steve-O]

6-2 and the Millennium derby are the only >2 goal wins in my lifetime. I had no interest in football at the time so missed both.

I honestly don't think I'll ever see us beat them by three or more.

Same I think. And I’m 42 FFS!

Even when we batter them we only win 1-0 or 2-1.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Surely to christ another club has to put a bid in for shankland soon. I'm sick to the back teeth of that *******

[ThisIsTheYear]

Sooner Shankland leaves the better

[Stokesy's on fire]

Sooner Shankland leaves the better

Shanklands doing his best to get to the big **** he will be away in jan

[ThisIsTheYear]

Shanklands doing his best to get to the big **** he will be away in jan

Even with a decent sized transfer fee they will never be able to replace his goals

[Hibby John]

I wouldn't mind so much if Hearts were a great team that deserved to win, but they seem to beat us even when they are mediocre.

Fingers crossed that Shankland will be away soon.

[Mcbizz1998]

But Shankland only scores penalties and is unproven in the prem! 😂

[JohnM1875]

But Shankland only scores penalties and is unproven in the prem! 😂

Weird thing to gloat about.

A few on here seem to be delighted when Shankland scores goals so they can mention it.

[LaMotta]

Five draws. Seven defeats. 9 goals scored, 21 conceded.

It's pretty depressing.

We are on track to match our dismal 80s record of just 3 wins in a decade. Depressing stuff.

[LewysGot2]

We are on track to match our dismal 80s record of just 3 wins in a decade. Depressing stuff.

No we're not 😄

There's the best part of 7 years left...

[LaMotta]

No we're not 😄

There's the best part of 7 years left...

Do the maths buddy.:wink:

[LewysGot2]

Do the maths

I very deliberately said best part, I didn't say exactly. Perhaps i should have said seasons...

23-24
24-25
25-26
26-27
27-28
28-29
29-30

But if you think we won't win another Derby in those 7 seasons on ye go 👍

[LaMotta]

I very deliberately said best part, I didn't say exactly. Perhaps i should have said seasons...

23-24
24-25
25-26
26-27
27-28
28-29
29-30

But if you think we won't win another Derby in those 7 seasons on ye go 👍

No I never said that, I'm really hoping you are hungover or something :hilarious

We have won only one derby in the first three years of the decade. Therefore if we continue at that rate we will have won only three by the end of the decade. Which is what we did in the 80s. :aok:

[SneakersO'Toole]

In the last 20 derbies, 10 hearts wins, Hibs 3, draws 7. Pathetic.

In my forty years supporting Hibs, I have never witnessed us having that superiority.

[ehf]

They want it more. That's pretty much it.

They are also incredibly spawny.

[OstKurve Hibs]

I wouldn't mind so much if Hearts were a great team that deserved to win, but they seem to beat us even when they are mediocre.

Fingers crossed that Shankland will be away soon.

Because they don't constantly concede stupid goals, hence keeping themselves in the game to nick a goal and he the 1 nil, 2-1 win or whatever.

[Stubbsy90+2]

Weird thing to gloat about.

A few on here seem to be delighted when Shankland scores goals so they can mention it.

To be fair, it was quite ridiculous straw clutching when folk used to say it. He’s an excellent striker at our level and has been for ages.

[LewysGot2]

No I never said that, I'm really hoping you are hungover or something :hilarious

We have won only one derby in the first three years of the decade. Therefore if we continue at that rate we will have won only three by the end of the decade. Which is what we did in the 80s. :aok:

Sorry got the wrong end of not only the stick the entire freaking tree. Nae sleep after last night's keech didn't help.
🤣🙈

[LaMotta]

Sorry got the wrong end of not only the stick the entire freaking tree. Nae sleep after last night's keech didn't help.
🤣🙈

:hilarious no probs mate. Its been a tiring few days:greengrin

[Swedish hibee]

In the last 20 derbies, 10 hearts wins, Hibs 3, draws 7. Pathetic.



Horrific.

[Diclonius]

They are also incredibly spawny.

I'm done with that excuse tbh.

[ekhibee]

For me the club has been too loyal to some really average players over the years, and I'm not just talking about recently. I'm struggling to think the last time we've had a good quality defence, but that's just my opinion. Manager after manager doesn't address the issue and consistently more money is spent on midfield and forwards IMO. Playing the 'Hibs Way'. Every team can conceed avoidable goals but it wouldn't surprise me if we're near the top of an undesirable list. Just my opinion though.

[Skol]

Am I right in thinking we've missed our last 3x pens against them? McNulty, Nisbet and now Boyle?

You can add Mixu and Brian Hamilton to that list. Having to think hard to recall a scored penalty

[SickBoy32]

The jambos must be on massive win bonuses in the derby IMO, the only credible explanation for it to transcend different managers / squads

[LaMotta]

You can add Mixu and Brian Hamilton to that list. Having to think hard to recall a scored penalty

Liam Craig scored one in 2013. He then missed one in 2014. So think weve missed our last 4 against them. Every miss has cost us hugely as well:boo hoo:

[RossScott1991]

Complete side note but did anyone else see the exchange between Youan and the fan in the East 2nd half?

Sat right at front, I sit about halfway up but could just see things being exchanged between them. And Youan slipped Boyle down the right who then crossed it for our best chance in 2nd half . Youan immediately turned and started pointing to the fan. Wonder what was said

[HendoDelivered]

Obviously we will at some point, but it’s hard to see us winning another derby again anytime soon.

[Mcbizz1998]

You can add Mixu and Brian Hamilton to that list. Having to think hard to recall a scored penalty

Riordan scored one at the PBS - but yeah, it’s pretty grim.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Obviously we will at some point, but it’s hard to see us winning another derby again anytime soon.

Don't ever take up counselling

[LewysGot2]

The worst bit is, that Hertz team is industrial shades of meh.

[Pagan Hibernia]

On the subject of the thread title, obviously it's a massive problem and it has been for as long as I can remember (I was born in 1982).

The Edinburgh derby stats are simply not normal for a derby between two roughly equally sized clubs in the same city. And we all know its not just this decade either. Its replicated over and over again. We can call them lucky, or jammy or spawny or whatever, but this is clearly about something more than just luck. Nor are Hearts some great powerhouse of a football club... they've won 3 trophies in 60 years ffs! That's one fewer than us in that time.

I don't know what the solution is, and there's absolutely hee-haw us as supporters can do about it, except vent like we are doing on this thread. Only the board, manager and players can fix this.

[21.05.2016]

I wouldn't mind so much if Hearts were a great team that deserved to win, but they seem to beat us even when they are mediocre.

Fingers crossed that Shankland will be away soon.

Correct.

[B.H.F.C]

You can add Mixu and Brian Hamilton to that list. Having to think hard to recall a scored penalty

Riordan at Tynecastle is all I can remember.

[LewysGot2]

On the subject of the thread title, obviously it's a massive problem and it has been for as long as I can remember (I was born in 1982).

The Edinburgh derby stats are simply not normal for a derby between two roughly equally sized clubs in the same city. And we all know its not just this decade either. Its replicated over and over again. We can call them lucky, or jammy or spawny or whatever, but this is clearly about something more than just luck. Nor are Hearts some great powerhouse of a football club... they've won 3 trophies in 60 years ffs! That's one fewer than us in that time.

I don't know what the solution is, and there's absolutely hee-haw us as supporters can do about it, except vent like we are doing on this thread. Only the board, manager and players can fix this.

One thing skewing the stats is pre SPL and post SPL periods of dominance. Our record pre the 80s was very good for stretches but at a time you only played twice a season. If TTs had played them 4 x a year the stats would've been less in their favour. It wouldn't completely change things but you can bet the Tornadoes, for example, would've clocked up a fair few more wins than the league at that time permitted

[Glory Lurker]

You can add Mixu and Brian Hamilton to that list. Having to think hard to recall a scored penalty

Think Kamberi scored at PBS at end of 17/18.

[Trinity Hibee]

Think Kamberi scored at PBS at end of 17/18.

Did Liam miller not score a pen V them?

[Tommy75]

Obviously we will at some point, but it’s hard to see us winning another derby again anytime soon.

That's the spirit!