Monty v Hearts

[B.H.F.C]

No sure about this!

Head Coach Nick Montgomery will wear a microphone during the match, enabling fans watching at home to hear his specific coaching from the sidelines. He will also speak to the commentary team as the game goes on. Alongside this, Sergio Raimundo will wear a bodycam to give a first-person perspective of the team on the pitch from the dugout.

[The_Exile]

Hearts will have someone listening in on the telly and relaying what's being changed tactically, if anything. I don't like it at all. It will be interesting to hear, but I hope this doesn't become a regular thing.

[Scottie]

It’s only gonna be great viewing if we win anything else and he’ll be slaughtered for it :agree:

Oh **** the hertz

[SHODAN]

This has the potential for disaster.

[ancient hibee]

April 1st come early has it?

[one day maybe...]

I don’t mind this as long as it’s not live. An after game analysis fair enough, great for our fans to see but not real time. #GGTTH

[Pretty Boy]

I quite like it in the NFL. They regularly have players or coaches mic'd up and it's interesting to see how they see they game.

There were a couple this week that I enjoyed. 49ers coach was mic'd up and called a foul before the play even started, He drew the officials attention to it by telling him the route the tight end was running and to watch the defender as he wouldn't allow him to do it. Sure enough it played out exactly as he called it and the penalty was called. Also the Dolphins head coach saw how the opposing defence were lined up and immediately said 'this is a one play drive, I'm expecting a one play drive'. As he predicted one 60 yards pass and it was a touchdown.

I think it will be good to see how coaches see the game differently from fans and how they see things we don't see. I'm not overly keen on the talking to the commentators in game but actually getting a coaches perspective in real time is quite intriguing. That's assuming the actual audio isn't being relayed in real time but rather released afterwards as it is in the NFL.

[Carheenlea]

It’ll be fascinating to watch/listen I’m sure.

Always wondered what’s going on in the dugouts as never really been close enough to get a real flavour.

[Onceinawhile]

Sky should have been told to do one.

They usually pretend the derby doesn't exist, but now they're pulling this? Gtfoh

[SHODAN]

Sky should have been told to do one.

They usually pretend the derby doesn't exist, but now they're pulling this? Gtfoh

Yup. The Edinburgh derby should not be their ****ing guinea pig.

[mcohibs]

Not a fan of this to be honest. Shouldn’t be any distractions for a game like this. What’s the benefit to the team?

[DavieRoy]

Sky should have been told to do one.

They usually pretend the derby doesn't exist, but now they're pulling this? Gtfoh

I am a bit worried as it could blow up in our face if we lose the game.

The point you make about Sky is wrong, the clubs only want to sell four games at each ground, that is on the clubs, us. In the old deal it was 6, usually 2 Derbies, 2 Celtic and 2 Rangers would be on TV. The Old Firm get viewers, I understand that but why did the clubs want to limit the amount of top games that are being broadcast? It goes up to 5 next season, so more should be on.

The NFL was mentioned and it is a good point, whatever we think of Sky, how is the SPFL going to give value to a broadcaster and make the league stand out and hence increase the value.

Do we think we should just get more money because we deserve it? We need to push our big games and not restrict what games can be shown and then add value with things like this, not all the time but occasionally. It takes the SPFL working as one, so it won’t happen.

Easy to blame Sky but the SPFL and clubs are worse and just blaming any media outlet is us not confronting the issue which is the governance.

[K-Zazu]

I quite like it in the NFL. They regularly have players or coaches mic'd up and it's interesting to see how they see they game.

There were a couple this week that I enjoyed. 49ers coach was mic'd up and called a foul before the play even started, He drew the officials attention to it by telling him the route the tight end was running and to watch the defender as he wouldn't allow him to do it. Sure enough it played out exactly as he called it and the penalty was called. Also the Dolphins head coach saw how the opposing defence were lined up and immediately said 'this is a one play drive, I'm expecting a one play drive'. As he predicted one 60 yards pass and it was a touchdown.

I think it will be good to see how coaches see the game differently from fans and how they see things we don't see. I'm not overly keen on the talking to the commentators in game but actually getting a coaches perspective in real time is quite intriguing. That's assuming the actual audio isn't being relayed in real time but rather released afterwards as it is in the NFL.

This isn’t the NFL

[DavieRoy]

This isn’t the NFL

How do we create value going forward. I agree, we can’t become some gimmick but remember in 2018 when the clubs struck the current TV deal that started in 2020 and ends this season, they wanted more money for less games on TV and got it. The clubs wanted that which always meant bigger games and a wider range of games was never going to happen.

No doubt the deal should have gone to tender but I doubt if anyone would have paid more money, hence what are the clubs going to do to create value.

The argument of we deserve more money just because we do is a non-starter, it is a market.

[Winston Ingram]

I think this is great. We might finally get an idea wtf his tactics are all about

[flash]

I think this is great. We might finally get an idea wtf his tactics are all about

That's the spirit.

[Gettin' Auld]

I think this is great. We might finally get an idea wtf his tactics are all about
:tee hee:

[Pretty Boy]

This isn’t the NFL

You don't say.

[Dmas]

How do we create value going forward. I agree, we can’t become some gimmick but remember in 2018 when the clubs struck the current TV deal that started in 2020 and ends this season, they wanted more money for less games on TV and got it. The clubs wanted that which always meant bigger games and a wider range of games was never going to happen.

No doubt the deal should have gone to tender but I doubt if anyone would have paid more money, hence what are the clubs going to do to create value.

The argument of we deserve more money just because we do is a non-starter, it is a market.

This doesn’t happen at an old firm game and they don’t even bother asking the question to EPL clubs, it’s amateur hour stuff the manager and the team should have full focus on the game it might not matter to sky sports but it matters to us as fans and as a club trying to get 3rd place can’t beleive we’ve given the green light to this.

[Hibs90]

This is an awful decision by whoever for many reasons.

Firstly, Sky have shown Hibs 0 times this season, why bend over backwards for them this time?

Secondly and most importantly, Hibs should be going all out to win this game and I'd much rather the manager was focused on the game rather than giving an interview mid-game. Even more so in a derby. Absolutely atrocious this from Hibs.

Thirdly, of course they will be listening in and adjusting based off whatever tactical stuff is going on in our dugout.

Farce.

[B.H.F.C]

This doesn’t happen at an old firm game and they don’t even bother asking the question to EPL clubs, it’s amateur hour stuff the manager and the team should have full focus on the game it might not matter to sky sports but it matters to us as fans and as a club trying to get 3rd place can’t beleive we’ve given the green light to this.

Worth mentioning Hearts have agreed to a number of things as well, don’t know what like.

If we win, folk will think this is brilliant. If we lose, we’ll get absolutely slaughtered.

[B.H.F.C]

This is an awful decision by whoever for many reasons.

Firstly, Sky have shown Hibs 0 times this season, why bend over backwards for them this time?

Secondly and most importantly, Hibs should be going all out to win this game and I'd much rather the manager was focused on the game rather than giving an interview mid-game. Even more so in a derby. Absolutely atrocious this from Hibs.

Thirdly, of course they will be listening in and adjusting based off whatever tactical stuff is going on in our dugout.

Farce.

I’d hazard a guess Hibs will have an element of control over what they are able to hear. It’s not going to be a full running commentary and tactical discussion from Monty. I’m still no keen on it like.

[Hibs90]

Worth mentioning Hearts have agreed to a number of things as well, don’t know what like.

If we win, folk will think this is brilliant. If we lose, we’ll get absolutely slaughtered.

Sky Sports given access to the Hearts team hotel for a pre-match meal, and a bodycam will be strapped onto a Hearts player during the warmup to deliver a new depth of coverage.


Meanwhile we've given them access to absolutely everything. Embarssing.

[Dmas]

Worth mentioning Hearts have agreed to a number of things as well, don’t know what like.

If we win, folk will think this is brilliant. If we lose, we’ll get absolutely slaughtered.

Both teams strong armed into this rubbish just to get the fixture on tv?

[HFC93]

Will be brilliant if we win and a disaster if we lose.

[Gordy M]

Do folk actually think Monty is going to say live, shhh dont tell anyone but we are going to switch Boyle and Ellie and target their right back......remember dont tell anyone???? Jeez. It will the odd interview like they do in the cricket or similar, where they ask his thoughts and he says the usual manager speak.

[DavieRoy]

Both teams strong armed into this rubbish just to get the fixture on tv?

How do we know this wasn’t Hibs idea?

This fixture was announced at the start of the season when the fixtures came out. I would imagine because Amazon have all the EPL that night.

The fact still remains, clubs wanted less games on TV and less at each ground.

Deals between 2006-2020 - 6 games at each ground
2020-2024 TV deal - 4 games at each ground
2024-2029 TV deal - 5 games at each ground

The clubs need to look at themselves. Easy to blame TV

[green day]

Hearts will have someone listening in on the telly and relaying what's being changed tactically, if anything. I don't like it at all. It will be interesting to hear, but I hope this doesn't become a regular thing.

Would it not be simpler for them to listen to whats being said to the players from around 2 yards away as happens at the moment?

I think some on here are in danger of overthinking this.

[worcesterhibby]

We should have just agreed to Sergio being mic'ed up and then made sure he shouted in Portuguese for the whole match !

[Pretty Boy]

Do folk actually think Monty is going to say live, shhh dont tell anyone but we are going to switch Boyle and Ellie and target their right back......remember dont tell anyone???? Jeez. It will the odd interview like they do in the cricket or similar, where they ask his thoughts and he says the usual manager speak.

:agree:

There will be little snippets of in game conversation released after the match but no way will that be allowed as the game is ongoing (or if it is it will be in agreement with all involved parties). Both managers will very quickly forget they are mic'd up or wearing a camera and it will have no impact on their ability to manage the game as they usually would.

It works in plenty other sports but as always there is no one as conservative as football fans when it comes to a little bit of change.

[Libby Hibby]

Bring it on, what’s up with people these days, always trying to find the negatives in everything?

Oh and **** the Hertz

[Gettin' Auld]

Hearts will have someone listening in on the telly and relaying what's being changed tactically, if anything. I don't like it at all. It will be interesting to hear, but I hope this doesn't become a regular thing.

I can't see it actually being relayed live as there would be too much swearing going on.

[TelaStella]

Meh.


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[HendoDelivered]

This has the potential for disaster.

This.

[OstKurve Hibs]

Wonder what broght spark came up with this, I'm surprised the manager has agreed to this pish, get this idea binned.

[wookie70]

Another initiative that makes watching from home more informed than being at the game. TV rules basically and I don't watch much football on TV so it won't impact me. I'd rather we didn't get involved.

[Northernhibee]

How tacky.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Another initiative that makes watching from home more informed than being at the game. TV rules basically and I don't watch much football on TV so it won't impact me. I'd rather we didn't get involved.

Funnily enough I thought the same. My first though was that it was a shame it wasn’t being done at a game I’m not going to!

[jeffers]

Really don’t see the big deal tbh. It’s not as if Naismith won’t be able to see for himself what our tactics are as the game unfolds. Any comments Monty makes during the game aren’t going to impact that.

[Northernhibee]

I’m all for stuff after this after the game like the behind the scenes series with the A-League in Australia, Drive to Survive style. It may drag more people to the Scottish game.

However I just want to enjoy the game on match day without the extra bells and whistles.

[Unseen work]

“There will also be cameras in the Hibs dressing room pre-match, at half-time, and at full-time.

Supporters will also notice a difference with the matchday interviews with Nick Montgomery being interviewed in his office and a Hibs player during his match preparation inside the dressing room. At full-time there will also be on-pitch interviews.”

Interesting….it’s one of those if we win happy days and we’ll look brilliant. If we lose there will be 20 threads on here about how he gave a rubbish team talk, the team weren’t concentrating properly etc

[Jim44]

Load of gimmicky rubbish.

[hibee]

No benefit to me and all the other fans that are actually at the game so I don’t really care what they do as long as we win!

[Vault Boy]

I like the idea of having a more immersive experience and have enjoyed similar broadcasts when refs and coaches have been mic’d up, dugout cams etc… but.

To debut this during an Edinburgh Derby seems incredibly risky for the club. If every Sky broadcast for the season had the same format, then fine, but given this is a special production in isolation - it’s going to be under a lot of scrutiny. With it being a home game and most of the ‘innovations’ focused on Hibs, the pressure is very much on us to win the game.

Not to say there’s ever a time where we don’t feel pressure to win a derby match, but losing under such heavily monitored conditions would merely amplify the negativity. POVs of the coaches getting pelters from the stands? Hopefully not.

Anyway, win the ****ing thing and problem solved, it’ll be magic.

[Sergio sledge]

https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/3876819/original/?width=500&version=3876819

Booooo... Innovation and change Baaaad!

Am I doing this right?

We'll get slaughtered if we lose anyway, so what difference will a few more cameras and microphones make to it all? Glad the club are open to trying things to see if they work, this sort of thing is great for increasing fan access and engagement and should be done more IMHO, I hope it works. Hibs TV should be doing this sort of thing even when Sky aren't interested, I liked it when they had players mic'd up at the pre-season training camp. It all costs money in equipment, but it would be good to see them trying to see if they can get some in-game stuff from players as well (clearly not live, that would be a disaster!), would be good to hear Boyle giving some stick to Rowles after he's skinned him and slotted the winner into the bottom corner next week....

[007]

Load of gimmicky rubbish.

We probably had to agree to it to get the game televised otherwise Sky most likely would have not bothered, again.

[HappyAsHellas]

This is the sort of thing they do down south for some cup games involving non league teams because no one else would entertain it. Why we are doing it is beyond belief.

[Fanforlife]

What's to stop the gaffer doing exactly the opposite of what he is saying,after telling the players behind closed doors or day previous to game that this was what they would be doing🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Joe6-2]

Just no, Sky gtf
Why not trial this with their beloved Attila

[mixumatosis]

A derby is not the time to test whether this has any impact on the team or the manager / coaches.

I don't disagree with it in principle and as someone mentioned above, if we want to maximise revenue the next time we negotiate a tv deal this might have to be the price we pay.

But we should never have agreed to the Derby being used to trial this.

[The Modfather]

There’s something for everyone. Hopefully some interesting insight into a professional match and Montgomery. Also a chance for those with an agenda to criticise in real time and not have to wait on the result.

[Dmas]

Really don’t see the big deal tbh. It’s not as if Naismith won’t be able to see for himself what our tactics are as the game unfolds. Any comments Monty makes during the game aren’t going to impact that.

It’s the effect on the team cameras rolling at all times thinking about what will or won’t be shown from dressing rooms, manager conscious of every move and word spoken being listened too, it’s ridiculous to add that into an already important game

[007]

Shame they didn't do it with LJ. Would have loved to hear him shouting to Will Fish there's a lion behind him, in true panto season style.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

This is an awful decision by whoever for many reasons.

Firstly, Sky have shown Hibs 0 times this season, why bend over backwards for them this time?

Secondly and most importantly, Hibs should be going all out to win this game and I'd much rather the manager was focused on the game rather than giving an interview mid-game. Even more so in a derby. Absolutely atrocious this from Hibs.

Thirdly, of course they will be listening in and adjusting based off whatever tactical stuff is going on in our dugout.

Farce.

How does it work in Oz?

[Paul1642]

Could be pretty insightful although I’m not sure this is the right game for it.

We always call what we can see from the stand / TV (often thinking we know best when we obviously don’t 😂) and wonder why the manger isn’t fixing the problems we see.

I’m cautiously interested in hearing this and I suspect we will hear so much input that we never realise went on.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Not against it per se but based on who our opponents are I imagine nothing but disaster unfolding

[Up-the-slope]

i'm all for it (assuming mic content post match) as it all adds to understanding of the game and tactics / changes made. Loved the pre-season sessions that were on mic ( players and coaches) Seeing behind the scenes of club / team on a match day really enhances experience...

Raith TV do a cracking job on this with matchday - brings a greater connection. Big Kev features heavily in this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3xd8EvExio

[Baader]

Would have preferred it weren't this fixture.

[gbhibby]

Should have asked for the refs to be mic'd up and a ref cam.

[Michael]

I think it's pretty cool, I'd love to see what goes on.

[bod]

can't imagine the ugly sisters or top 6 down south agreeing to this

[Jim44]

Various shades of opinion on this but I’m convinced that being miked up and under camera scrutiny could have a detrimental effect on their behaviour and quality of focus on the game.

[neil7908]

Not a fan of this to be honest. Shouldn’t be any distractions for a game like this. What’s the benefit to the team?

I tend to agree. How does this help Hibs win the game?

It's a huge, huge match for us and I'm trying to understand what advantage it gives us. Even long term I don't really see how it raises the profile of the club or helps us reach new audiences.

If we win no one will care but as it stands I have my doubts.

[neil7908]

Should have asked for the refs to be mic'd up and a ref cam.

Yup. That would be much more interesting and educational.

[Dalianwanda]

LJ would have been in his element with this 😅

[Vault Boy]

LJ would have been in his element with this 😅

You’d think so, but quite the opposite apparently. One of the reasons we had the dugout cams at the start of Monty’s tenure is because they were fine with the comms team setting it up. LJ & co not so much, which for as much as I’m not a fan of LJ, is of course their prerogative.

[Smartie]

No sure about this!

Head Coach Nick Montgomery will wear a microphone during the match, enabling fans watching at home to hear his specific coaching from the sidelines. He will also speak to the commentary team as the game goes on. Alongside this, Sergio Raimundo will wear a bodycam to give a first-person perspective of the team on the pitch from the dugout.

“Do I not like that!?!?”

Monty’s possibly painting a bit of a target on his own back here. Whilst I’m sure it could turn out to be entertaining if we win, it doesn’t strike me as a particularly streetwise thing to be doing.

[Lago]

This has the potential for disaster.
That's my thoughts

[Jones28]

Imagine a win with the gaffer mic’d up for it. Fantastic.

[James Stephen]

Cheap gimmick, all to create banal 'content' and generate clicks.

Genuinely cant believe any football manager would allow this, reflects poorly on him.

[Keith_M]

April 1st come early has it?


That was my first thought

[Callum_62]

can't imagine the ugly sisters or top 6 down south agreeing to thisDunno, man city, arsenal and spurs have had cameras behind the scenes for whole seasons for they documentaries

Which were all a great watch actually

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[Jim44]

Dunno, man city, arsenal and spurs have had cameras behind the scenes for whole seasons for they documentaries

Which were all a great watch actually

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Not what Monty and Hibs have signed up for. It could end up in tears. I’m actually quite disappointed and surprised that they’ve gone for it. Respect to Hearts and Naewins for telling Sky to shove it.:tin hat:

[Hibs4185]

Considering sky haven’t shown one of our games this season and also declined the last few derbies, for those reasons alone we shouldn’t be entertaining them on this occasion.

I’m all for progress and trying things but fair is fair

[Stuart93]

Hate it.

[JimBHibees]

Considering sky haven’t shown one of our games this season and also declined the last few derbies, for those reasons alone we shouldn’t be entertaining them on this occasion.

I’m all for progress and trying things but fair is fair

Showed the Motherwell game earlier in the season

[bod]

Dunno, man city, arsenal and spurs have had cameras behind the scenes for whole seasons for they documentaries

Which were all a great watch actually

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You said it “ behind the scenes “ is fine ,shouldn’t be during a game especially one as big as this one

[JimBHibees]

Cheap gimmick, all to create banal 'content' and generate clicks.

Genuinely cant believe any football manager would allow this, reflects poorly on him.

Not really probably comfortable doing it and maybe done it before in Oz. No big deal

[babahibs]

Boooooooooo

Am I doing this right?

[Northernhibee]

Boooooooooo

Am I doing this right?

Depends, is that your opinion of it?

[Callum_62]

Boooooooooo

Am I doing this right?You missed using the term disgrace

Apart from that it's a decent first attempt [emoji3060]

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[EastStandGates]

Americanised sports finally made it to Scotchland.

I quite like the HibsTV AllAccess, but there's a million miles from that to this.

Speaking to the commentary team during the game? Quite cringey to be honest. Can't think of any benefits of this to Hibs? Plenty for Sky, their footage and audio, i'm sure they'll be hoping for something dodgy with going viral and re-tweets potential, but how does this benefit us?

[ekhibee]

The BBC did a short article about it but all they did was speak to Naismith who's refused to do it, it would've maybe have been interesting to hear what our manager had to say, seeing as he's wearing it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Americanised sports finally made it to Scotchland.

I quite like the HibsTV AllAccess, but there's a million miles from that to this.

Speaking to the commentary team during the game? Quite cringey to be honest. Can't think of any benefits of this to Hibs? Plenty for Sky, their footage and audio, i'm sure they'll be hoping for something dodgy with going viral and re-tweets potential, but how does this benefit us?

There is no benefit to us.. yet.

The idea will be that it increases viewing figures/customer engagement with the product. If it does, then in theory, Scottish football should be in a better position to ask for more money in future.

The big fly in that ointment of course is that we’d need someone capable of negotiating said deal!

[Steve-O]

Hearts will have someone listening in on the telly and relaying what's being changed tactically, if anything. I don't like it at all. It will be interesting to hear, but I hope this doesn't become a regular thing.

As opposed to standing in the dugout next to us and seeing/hearing what’s happening?

[Northernhibee]

The BBC did a short article about it but all they did was speak to Naismith who's refused to do it, it would've maybe have been interesting to hear what our manager had to say, seeing as he's wearing it.

If both managers were signed up to it I may feel a bit happier with it, but as it stands I don’t see any upsides as to us being the only team taking part in it.

[Steve-O]

This isn’t the NFL

No, that’s a massively successful product

[Callum_62]

I'm looking forward to seeing what it brings to be honest

Hopefully it brings out some more natural reactions instead of pre scripted lines

Probably why Naismith doesn't want to do it - expose what a absolute welt he truly is

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[Steve-O]

Various shades of opinion on this but I’m convinced that being miked up and under camera scrutiny could have a detrimental effect on their behaviour and quality of focus on the game.

How do you account for cameras following them in Australia and their team winning the league then?

[babahibs]

You missed using the term disgrace

Apart from that it's a decent first attempt [emoji3060]

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Disgraceful....
Shocking......
Outrage........
Fury.....

Don't really know why though......

[Heisenberg]

Montgomery did something very similar for the A League coverage I’m sure. Probably why he’s not bothered doing it again now.

[Jones28]

What if we score while the commentators are talking to him? That would be gold.

[Hibees1973]

Not clear how this is going to go.

If Montgomery is mike'd up there will obviously be some kind of delay in what is being transmitted. Also, Hibs must have put some kind of boundaries on what they will allow to be transmitted during the game. As others have said the Yam could be at an advantage in being privvy to too much info.

Can't see anything positive coming out of this. Is a bit of a gimmick.

I remember the classic documentary of Graham Taylor when he was England manager. He was mike'd up on touchline. 'Do I not like that' comes clearly to mind. England failed miserably to qualify for that World Cup and Taylor became a joke figure.

Montgomery comes across as a calm and mellow guy on the touchline so I can understand he is not fussed over it. Just hope he hasn't set himself up.

[CapitalGreen]

What if we score while the commentators are talking to him? That would be gold.

It will only happen during a stoppage in play.

[hibee-boys]

Not keen on this at all, of all the games to agree to this🤷🏼 I want our coaching staff 100% focused on every aspect of the game, at all times.

[Tambo]

Sergio will have the body camera for extra footage of the assaults the hearts players will make on a Hibs player.

A cool idea for those interested and like others have said will be good footage if we win.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If both managers were signed up to it I may feel a bit happier with it, but as it stands I don’t see any upsides as to us being the only team taking part in it.

That's how I am with it too.

[jakedance]

What the **** have we agreed to this for? This is the worst thing Hibs have ever done, and we signed Alan O’Brien. Unless we win of course.

[JammyDoidger]

The pioneers leading the way again, gon the Monty.

[Greenio]

Don't see any negatives in it but also not many positives either apart from it's perhaps more insightful for those listening in.

Might be good to give people something to point the finger to if we dont get a result

[Iain G]

Haha Naebadges bottled it! Or someone decided his awful nasal weegie small baldy man talking bawbag nonsense wasn't worthy of broadcasting.

And they would need 3 mics as they aren't sure who the actual manager is

[worcesterhibby]

This gives me the fear

[CapitalGreen]

A lot of Hibs fans spend far too much time worrying about what fans of other clubs will think/say about us. Absolutely reeks of insecurity.

[Dmas]

Should be mic up the ref and letting us see footage of the VAR room now wouldn’t that be innovative

[Mcbizz1998]

A lot of Hibs fans spend far too much time worrying about what fans of other clubs will think/say about us. Absolutely reeks of insecurity.

That’s pretty much what football fandom is all about. Ripping the pish out of your rivals, Hibernian seem to find new and innovative ways of handing opposition supporters ways of doing so. I doubt anyone is particularly insecure, it’s only a game.

[Danderhall Hibs]

A lot of Hibs fans spend far too much time worrying about what fans of other clubs will think/say about us. Absolutely reeks of insecurity.

This is where I am with it mate. Added in anxiety around the derby and it’s off the scale.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Should be mic up the ref and letting us see footage of the VAR room now wouldn’t that be innovative

Football’s rarely innovative with anything - just eventually follow other sports innovation.

As you can see on here and on Twitter though a large majority of fans don’t like change and innovation.

[JimBHibees]

Should be mic up the ref and letting us see footage of the VAR room now wouldn’t that be innovative

That would be the innovation that should happen but won't because of insecurity :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

Football’s rarely innovative with anything - just eventually follow other sports innovation.

As you can see on here and on Twitter though a large majority of fans don’t like change and innovation.

That’s a bit unfair - you can be for change that’s positive but not for change that may be perceived as detrimental to the game. Introducing an 80th minute pinball style multiball would be innovative and change, but it would be ****ing terrible.

The concerns that it may be a distraction, may benefit the team who aren’t taking part, and indeed are all a bit “WWE style” are quite valid concerns.

[Danderhall Hibs]

That’s a bit unfair - you can be for change that’s positive but not for change that may be perceived as detrimental to the game. Introducing an 80th minute pinball style multiball would be innovative and change, but it would be ****ing terrible.

The concerns that it may be a distraction, may benefit the team who aren’t taking part, and indeed are all a bit “WWE style” are quite valid concerns.

What advantage will they get? All I can see is Naismith won’t be caught on mic giving out abuse to Hibs players.

I accept I might have been slightly unfair but it frustrates me how football fans never want to try and improve things.

[Pretty Boy]

What advantage will they get? All I can see is Naismith won’t be caught on mic giving out abuse to Hibs players.

I accept I might have been slightly unfair but it frustrates me how football fans never want to try and improve things.

The competitive advantage thing is being way overplayed.

Managers stand about 5 yards apart at games, they hear everything the other is saying. Add to that they don't have to manage the game blindfolded. If Monty swaps Youan and Boyle after 15 minutes then Naismith doesn't need an audio feed to tell him that, he's got eyes.

[Northernhibee]

What advantage will they get? All I can see is Naismith won’t be caught on mic giving out abuse to Hibs players.

I accept I might have been slightly unfair but it frustrates me how football fans never want to try and improve things.

Potentially from the distractions taking part through the game - cameras in the dressing room, unease from players at all of this, just generally the build up being slightly different. One team has to adjust their mindset but not the other.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Potentially from the distractions taking part through the game - cameras in the dressing room, unease from players at all of this, just generally the build up being slightly different. One team has to adjust their mindset but not the other.

Potentially. Suppose it could switch them on and add focus as well.

[Nicho87]

Potential to be beautiful
Potential to be ugly

0-0 written all over it

[Heisenberg]

The competitive advantage thing is being way overplayed.

Managers stand about 5 yards apart at games, they hear everything the other is saying. Add to that they don't have to manage the game blindfolded. If Monty swaps Youan and Boyle after 15 minutes then Naismith doesn't need an audio feed to tell him that, he's got eyes.

Spot on. Hearts will gain zero advantage from this. Montgomery is also hardly going to be giving away major tactical points, it’ll be useless chit chat about the game for 30 seconds during a stoppage of play.

[BoomtownHibees]

Spot on. Hearts will gain zero advantage from this. Montgomery is also hardly going to be giving away major tactical points, it’ll be useless chit chat about the game for 30 seconds during a stoppage of play.

Add in the cameras in the changing room pre-match and at half time

[Danderhall Hibs]

Add in the cameras in the changing room pre-match and at half time

In all the other sports I’ve watched this being done, not in one of them has there ever been a tactical insight given. Just a “get stuck into them” style thing.

[Stanton Spence]

Why do we need to hear from the dugout?
I don’t really want to hear anything from the manager during a game and don’t see any benefits apart from the novelty value

[Chip shop Joe]

I just can’t see any benefit to us by doing this. If they wanted to do as a trial fair enough at some point in the season and it may or may not be a distraction but gonnae no do it against Hearts!

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why do we need to hear from the dugout?
I don’t really want to hear anything from the manager during a game and don’t see any benefits apart from the novelty value

We don’t need to hear from them after the game either. They never say anything of value. Same applies here.

[Dmas]

Football’s rarely innovative with anything - just eventually follow other sports innovation.

As you can see on here and on Twitter though a large majority of fans don’t like change and innovation.

A large majority of fans don’t want to see us take our eye off what is a huge game for us all, I agree we won’t see any tactical things given away or anything like that but the knowledge there’s now a camera in the changing room knocks players out of normal routines being mic’d up will have Monty second thinking everything he’s saying incase it’s broadcast, its not innovative it’s sky seeing how far they can go with the diddy leagues for a few extra views and clicks, this isn’t something that will be rolled out to every league being broadcast by sky or anything like that

[Carheenlea]

With the assumption that we would have seen changes from last weeks line up today from last weeks Perth debacle, I wonder if todays late postponement will have any influence over what the derby line up will be?

Would changes made today have seen further rotation for derby or would the changes considered for today stay in mind?

[Heisenberg]

Add in the cameras in the changing room pre-match and at half time

There’s no sound though, they really won’t pick anything up from those clips.

I also don’t really understand the point being made about it being a distraction for Montgomery, he’s done it before, it’ll be business as usual for him.

[matty_f]

Apologies if mentioned already.

When we were in the chase to recruit Montgomery, there was a link to a YouTube “all access” video of his playoff final game with the Mariners.

It was excellent, and was almost universally praised on here (iirc) and elsewhere. The broadcaster was given access in much the same way as Sky are doing here, and it was fascinating.

Scottish football is getting left behind and as much as there’s some romanticised view of what football should be like and a desire to resist change but sooner or later we need folk running the game to be bold and look at how we can become competitive again in years to come.

If we don’t innovate with stuff then someone else will. The English game is already broadcast like a different sport. We complain about Sportscene compared to Match of the Day, and Sky not caring about Scottish football, but when they try to do something better/different it’s shot down.

I am all for trying stuff like this, if it’s rubbish then try something else until you get to the stuff that works.

And so what if it’s for the folk at home? Of course it is, it’s the TV company that’s paying for it, presumably in the hope that more people will watch it so they can get more money which will then allow clubs to charge them more for broadcast rights down the line. It’s not going to change our experience at the game at all in the stadium as far as I can tell.

[Keepthefaith]

Apologies if mentioned already.

When we were in the chase to recruit Montgomery, there was a link to a YouTube “all access” video of his playoff final game with the Mariners.

It was excellent, and was almost universally praised on here (iirc) and elsewhere. The broadcaster was given access in much the same way as Sky are doing here, and it was fascinating.

Scottish football is getting left behind and as much as there’s some romanticised view of what football should be like and a desire to resist change but sooner or later we need folk running the game to be bold and look at how we can become competitive again in years to come.

If we don’t innovate with stuff then someone else will. The English game is already broadcast like a different sport. We complain about Sportscene compared to Match of the Day, and Sky not caring about Scottish football, but when they try to do something better/different it’s shot down.

I am all for trying stuff like this, if it’s rubbish then try something else until you get to the stuff that works.

And so what if it’s for the folk at home? Of course it is, it’s the TV company that’s paying for it, presumably in the hope that more people will watch it so they can get more money which will then allow clubs to charge them more for broadcast rights down the line. It’s not going to change our experience at the game at all in the stadium as far as I can tell.

well said. folk complaining that we never get picked for games - maybe if we're seen as a more innovative club we might benefit from increased exposure and better marketing of the Scottish game but also Hibs as a club. folk are bricking it in case we lose and will then no doubt try and say that this was somehow to blame (either than or pick up on something in Montys narrative in the game to beat him with!).

the CCM coverage was great - I don't think we've got anything to fear with it. TBH I thought Naismith came across as really quite bland and too cautious when he spoke about not giving permission. I would prefer if the refs had this too mind - would be interesting! I'm hoping we're reflecting on it positively, after a great win against the unwashed.

[Hibernian Verse]

well said. folk complaining that we never get picked for games - maybe if we're seen as a more innovative club we might benefit from increased exposure and better marketing of the Scottish game but also Hibs as a club. folk are bricking it in case we lose and will then no doubt try and say that this was somehow to blame (either than or pick up on something in Montys narrative in the game to beat him with!).

the CCM coverage was great - I don't think we've got anything to fear with it. TBH I thought Naismith came across as really quite bland and too cautious when he spoke about not giving permission. I would prefer if the refs had this too mind - would be interesting! I'm hoping we're reflecting on it positively, after a great win against the unwashed.

Naismith won’t want a mic before hes an angry wee man. Monty is the absolute antithesis of him.

[JimBHibees]

With the assumption that we would have seen changes from last weeks line up today from last weeks Perth debacle, I wonder if todays late postponement will have any influence over what the derby line up will be?

Would changes made today have seen further rotation for derby or would the changes considered for today stay in mind?

Will be interesting to see how that would effect the build up. Would expect a pretty full session or even bounce game today prior to Derby.

[MelbourneHibees]

They already do this in the A League so he will be very familiar with it all. Like others have said its not a live feed for the 90 mins. He will be told ahead of ti e don't swear because you are going to be live for the next 2 mins or so.

[O'Rourke3]

Football’s rarely innovative with anything - just eventually follow other sports innovation.

As you can see on here and on Twitter though a large majority of fans don’t like change and innovation.The majority of folk who always complain continuing to complain more likely. I can't see what the issue is as it will have no impact on how the game plays out.
Consider how more entertaining Lenny and Duff Jimmy fighting after the horror tackle when we were back in the Championship would have been if we'd had the audio.....

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[Since452]

Doesn't bother me one way or the other. We've done it numerous times in pre season and friendly games etc. Some will be interested in it some won't care less.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The majority of folk who always complain continuing to complain more likely. I can't see what the issue is as it will have no impact on how the game plays out.
Consider how more entertaining Lenny and Duff Jimmy fighting after the horror tackle when we were back in the Championship would have been if we'd had the audio.....

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Imagine the behind the scenes footage when we win? Not sure why folk don’t want to see it.

[SteveHFC]

Interesting to hear Hibs approached Sky to do this.

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1739594062892589401?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

[JohnM1875]

Interesting to hear Hibs approached Sky to do this.

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1739594062892589401?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

We approached Sky about it before Monty was appointed. So we would have had a mic’d up LJ?! **** that!

[007]

Interesting to hear Hibs approached Sky to do this.

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1739594062892589401?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

And that it was before Monty. Wouldn't be surprised if it was LJ's idea.

[Michael]

We approached Sky about it before Monty was appointed. So we would have had a mic’d up LJ?! **** that!

Would have been like a live episode of The Office with LJ.

[Pretty Boy]

Would have been like a live episode of The Office with LJ.

Lee Johnson? I must remember to thank him.

[BoomtownHibees]

Been scrapped

[3pm]

Been scrapped

What has?

[JohnM1875]

Been scrapped

Pathetic from the SFA. Never going to move forward as a league, stuck in the dark ages.

[BoomtownHibees]

What has?

Monty being mic’d up

[3pm]

Monty being mic’s up

Good. 😉

[Danderhall Hibs]

Farcical.

[Fergus52]

Pathetic from the SFA. Never going to move forward as a league, stuck in the dark ages.

Where's everyone seeing this?

What was the reason for the SFA blocking it?

[JohnM1875]

Where's everyone seeing this?

What was the reason for the SFA blocking it?

Daily Record, SFA gave three reasons;

Sporting integrity
Possible betting advantage
Refs could get abuse

[Keepthefaith]

[QUOTE=Fergus52;7534558]Where's everyone seeing this?

What was the reason for the SFA blocking it?[/QUOTEhttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nick-montgomery-sees-hibs-live-31757641

[hibsbollah]

The three reasons given are 1. potentially hearing tactical instructions, 2. possible betting shenanigans, 3. abuse of referees. All of those ‘rationales’ are permanent, presumably long-standing, which means logically it was never going to happen and will never happen in the future.

So why make these fundamental concerns public and cancel just 2 hours before ko?

Because we’re Scottish football.

[Northernhibee]

Good, you wouldn’t see Sevco or Celtic being asked to do this, so why should the Edinburgh derby be turned into some freak show?

Give us a YouTube series like the A-League has, but at least treat our derby with a bit of respect.

[1van Sprou7e]

Seeing as it was Hibs' idea I don't see how it's possible it would compromise sporting integrity. Surely the hearts staff at the game would be able to hear him anyway...

[18Craig75]

Good, you wouldn’t see Sevco or Celtic being asked to do this, so why should the Edinburgh derby be turned into some freak show?

Give us a YouTube series like the A-League has, but at least treat our derby with a bit of respect.

Hibs offered to do it and made the whole proposal to Sky.

[Unseen work]

Personally think it’s just an excuse so we don’t hear any interaction between the ref, linesman, fourth official and any var incidents.

They’ll be terrified the shambles it is was exposed even more

[Jones28]

The three reasons given are 1. potentially hearing tactical instructions, 2. possible betting shenanigans, 3. abuse of referees. All of those ‘rationales’ are permanent, presumably long-standing, which means logically it was never going to happen and will never happen in the future.

So why make these fundamental concerns public and cancel just 2 hours before ko?

Because we’re Scottish football.

Well said HB.

Good to see you back 👍🏻

[GonzoReturns]

Only Scottish Football two hours before kick off when it’s been out there for days.

[Callum_62]

better move the seats behind the dugouts too

pesky gamblers must be screwing the bookies from there :rolleyes:

SFA really are a bit of a joke to be honest

[Danderhall Hibs]

Good, you wouldn’t see Sevco or Celtic being asked to do this, so why should the Edinburgh derby be turned into some freak show?

Give us a YouTube series like the A-League has, but at least treat our derby with a bit of respect.

Well we might have seen it in an old firm game if we didn’t want to block any new ideas.

When I say new I mean ideas other sports have been doing for a few years now.

[hibsbollah]

Well we might have seen it in an old firm game if we didn’t want to block any new ideas.

When I say new I mean ideas other sports have been doing for a few years now.

:agree: i follow the NFL and its great having access to a miced up coach (or player in that particular sport). It makes you feel closer to the action, you feel like you empathize with the individual and just feels like a normal, natural part of my sport watching experience now.

[hibsbollah]

Well said HB.

Good to see you back 👍🏻

Grazie amico 👍

[Danderhall Hibs]

:agree: i follow the NFL and its great having access to a miced up coach (or player in that particular sport). It makes you feel closer to the action, you feel like you empathize with the individual and just feels like a normal, natural part of my sport watching experience now.

Plus Rugby union (and league?), Aussie rules, Formula 1, Cricket.

Football are being innovators at not changing/improving.

[neil7908]

The three reasons given are 1. potentially hearing tactical instructions, 2. possible betting shenanigans, 3. abuse of referees. All of those ‘rationales’ are permanent, presumably long-standing, which means logically it was never going to happen and will never happen in the future.

So why make these fundamental concerns public and cancel just 2 hours before ko?

Because we’re Scottish football.

I wasn't keen but **** me, that's such a Scottish football way of binning something.

[Northernhibee]

Plus Rugby union (and league?), Aussie rules, Formula 1, Cricket.

Football are being innovators at not changing/improving.

Drive to Survive has been terrible for F1 as a sport - undoubtedly makes it more of a spectacle but it’s made a mockery of it as a competition.

[CentreLine]

Only Scottish Football two hours before kick off when it’s been out there for days.

Maybe something unsavoury happened during the hearts prematch dinner. After all the club players have previous for singing unacceptable songs. We can only guess at what makes the SFA intervene 🤔

[hibeerealist]

Drive to Survive has been terrible for F1 as a sport - undoubtedly makes it more of a spectacle but it’s made a mockery of it as a competition.


Yet F1 crowds/interest are at an all time high!

[Sergio sledge]

The three reasons given are 1. potentially hearing tactical instructions, 2. possible betting shenanigans, 3. abuse of referees. All of those ‘rationales’ are permanent, presumably long-standing, which means logically it was never going to happen and will never happen in the future.

So why make these fundamental concerns public and cancel just 2 hours before ko?

Because we’re Scottish football.

What a joke Scottish football is.

Those reasons don’t make any sense to me IMHO. Abuse of the ref? Because fan hear what the fourth official and ref say to our manager during the game? If they are not confident that their interactions with the manager will stand up to scrutiny then there’s a serious problem they have with the referees. If they are happy with reffing, as they seem to be, then just let us hear what they are saying.

[Eyrie]

Wasn't a fan of it during the game as it would distract Montgomery and what you hear when watching rugby tends to be brief platitudes with no insight, but it would have made for an interesting part of the highlights programme which would also have addressed the points that the SFA have suddenly decided are concerning enough to be objectionable.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Drive to Survive has been terrible for F1 as a sport - undoubtedly makes it more of a spectacle but it’s made a mockery of it as a competition.

That’s all the off field stuff though - during a race you can hear Hamilton moan to his mechanics or about another driver.

Drive to survive added the soap opera and increased popularity - opened the sport up to America etc.

[Aldo]

What a joke Scottish football is.

Those reasons don’t make any sense to me IMHO. Abuse of the ref? Because fan hear what the fourth official and ref say to our manager during the game? If they are not confident that their interactions with the manager will stand up to scrutiny then there’s a serious problem they have with the referees. If they are happy with reffing, as they seem to be, then just let us hear what they are saying.

I think both you and Unseen Work are not far off the mark here!

They don’t want the scrutiny and shows a clear lack of transparency as always with the SFA and its officials.

[weecounty hibby]

100% that the first teams allowed to do this will be the bigitbtwins. All about pretending that it's the biggest, most important game in the world that everyone wants to watch. If it even adds 1 viewer the sfa/spfl will be happy. **** them

[Smartie]

Personally think it’s just an excuse so we don’t hear any interaction between the ref, linesman, fourth official and any var incidents.

They’ll be terrified the shambles it is was exposed even more

That's what I think it is although I sort of get the betting angle (management team discussing possible subs or reining in the attacking intent reducing the chances of us winning corners etc??)

[Willis1875]

SFA saying it wasn’t them that put a stop to it
https://x.com/scottishfa/status/1740097376067490166?s=46&t=0nRkzv4cRHTmCrZKGvswkg