Would we do better with an experienced manager like, dare I say it, Levein?,

[He's here!]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side (who not so long ago looked relegation bound) were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.

[.Sean.]

Like a Terry Butcher type you mean?

[BoomtownHibees]

One game…….

[The Modfather]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them mske steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.

Johnson was an experienced manager.

We just need a manager and recruitment strategy that are in sync and more nuanced than chuck loads of money at good individual players and see what they make the sum of.

[Is It On....]

The Kilmarnock manager has a win ratio above 50% which pretty amazing

[Northernhibee]

Won four games out of the last six and have gone from near last in the league to contending for third.

[greenlex]

One game…….

It’s ****ing mental innit.

[USA_Hibee]

This place is mental.

[Is It On....]

Johnson was an experienced manager.

We just need a manager and recruitment strategy that are in sync and more nuanced than chuck loads of money at good individual players and see what they make the sum of.

Johnson's win ratio of under 40% was in line with his long term managerial record so there can be no surprises as to what was delivered at Hibs

[He's here!]

Like a Terry Butcher type you mean?

Hardly.

Bit younger than Levein but I did think Derek McInnes would have arrested the fragility and given us a bit of backbone.

[Heisenberg]

We’ve picked up recently and had a good run of results. Even since Monty came in that’s the first league game we’ve lost that wasn’t away in Glasgow. I’d say he’s done ok so far but needs the chance to shape his own squad over January/Summer transfer windows. Hopefully a few of the returning injured players will help too.

Certainly think we’ll be in the mix for top four on the basis of what I’ve seen so far. Talk of replacing the manager already is wild.

[He's here!]

One game…….

It's not really tho is it? We have turned in a fair few worrying displays under Monty.

[Since90+2]

The overreaction to one defeat is as predictable as it is sad.

[greenlex]

It's not really tho is it? We have turned in a fair few worrying displays under Monty.

No we’ve not. There’s been moments in games it’s been poor but overall performances have been decent yesterday aside with what we’ve got on the park. I’m not worried at all.

[BoomtownHibees]

It's not really tho is it? We have turned in a fair few worrying displays under Monty.

One defeat outside of Glasgow and you’re calling for a “Craig Levein” type. Come oan ti ****

[USA_Hibee]

The overreaction to one defeat is as predictable as it is sad.

100%

[Pretty Boy]

Is this the start of 'Monty out' rumblings?

Before we appointed Montgomery I wanted McIness so I don't really disagree with the sentiments of the OP. The position he has Killie in on a fraction of the budget he would have at Hibs tells me he would do very well here, as he has done in every job he has had in Scotland.

However we have chosen the path we want to go down. I think Mcinnes would potentially see a quicker return but I think the long term ceiling with Montgomery is higher, of course the place we could bottom out could be far lower as well. It's what happens when you take a risk as opposed to going to the safer pair of hand.

With the squad we have I think flitting between 4th and 7th is about our level right now regardless of who the manager is. It's trying to make do with a squad that hasn't been assembled in a really coherent manner; hopefully the next 2 windows starts to see that shift and a team more suited to the current style on the park.

[B.H.F.C]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side (who not so long ago looked relegation bound) were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.

Wouldn’t be like you to pop up after a defeat. Only tipping us to fall out of the top six and not be relegated makes a change I suppose.

We have some very clear issues but that’s 3 defeats in 14 league games under the current manager. We’re hardly in some kind of crisis.

[Bobo]

The most important signing any club should make is its managerial appointment and should do all it takes to get the person they want.

I'd prefer to see us pursue a manager (head hunt known quality) rather than court applications from all and sundry, it hasn't served us well with the endless stream of duds that we've appointed in the past.

Money obviously dictates the market that you shop in but you should always be pushing your limits to approach the best quality appointment you can make.

A quality manager will alway find good players and make them better, it's the tactical and psychological side of things that make the difference IMO.

[SlickShoes]

It's really amazing what losing 1 game does to some peoples brains

[blackpoolhibs]

Is this the start of 'Monty out' rumblings?

Before we appointed Montgomery I wanted McIness so I don't really disagree with the sentiments of the OP. The position he has Killie in on a fraction of the budget he would have at Hibs tells me he would do very well here, as he has done in every job he has had in Scotland.

However we have chosen the path we want to go down. I think Mcinnes would potentially see a quicker return but I think the long term ceiling with Montgomery is higher, of course the place we could bottom out could be far lower as well. It's what happens when you take a risk as opposed to going to the safer pair of hand.

With the squad we have I think flitting between 4th and 7th is about our level right now regardless of who the manager is. It's trying to make do with a squad that hasn't been assembled in a really coherent manner; hopefully the next 2 windows starts to see that shift and a team more suited to the current style on the park.

I wanted McInnes too, for the same reasons.Monty might get us where we want to be, but I think McInnes would have got us there too and wouldn't jump off to the next job that comes available in England when successful.

[Heisenberg]

I wanted McInnes too, for the same reasons.Monty might get us where we want to be, but I think McInnes would have got us there too and wouldn't jump off to the next job that comes available in England when successful.

To be fair there’s no guarantee Montgomery will do that either. He turned down loads of jobs before coming here apparently.

[Since90+2]

To be fair there’s no guarantee Montgomery will do that either. He turned down loads of jobs before coming here apparently.

If he is successful and gets an offer from a big club in England he'll be off. Naive to think otherwise IMO.

[He's here!]

Johnson was an experienced manager.

We just need a manager and recruitment strategy that are in sync and more nuanced than chuck loads of money at good individual players and see what they make the sum of.

Johnson did a pretty good job in England, especially at Bristol City, plus took Sunderland to the play-offs. The Hibs job shouldn't have been beyond him. But I think, like Hecky before him, he struggled to adapt to the Scottish top flight.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Won four games out of the last six and have gone from near last in the league to contending for third.

Countdown to “accepting mediocrity” comment….. :)

10… 9…

[The Modfather]

I wanted McInnes too, for the same reasons.Monty might get us where we want to be, but I think McInnes would have got us there too and wouldn't jump off to the next job that comes available in England when successful.

Oh to have a manager we lose to higher up the food chain rather than having to pay them off.

[He's here!]

If he is successful and gets an offer from a big club in England he'll be off. Naive to think otherwise IMO.

I hope that proves to be the case as I'd happily take a couple of seasons of Mowbray-type football at Hibs.

At present tho it's probably just as feasible he ends up going back to Australia having failed to improve us.

[Hibby Bairn]

If we had won yesterday we would been in third place.

This place is mental.

[ancient hibee]

Is this McInnes fellow any relation to the one that avoided losing to Livingston yesterday because they missed a penalty. That's the Livingston that we beat last week.

[Forza Fred]

I’d be embarrassed to admit to outsiders that this is actually a topic considered worthy of discussion

[Since90+2]

Is this McInnes fellow any relation to the one that avoided losing to Livingston yesterday because they missed a penalty. That's the Livingston that we beat last week.

Yip same guy. Also the same guy who's got Kilmarnock above us on a much smaller budget.

[ancient hibee]

Yip same guy. Also the same guy who's got Kilmarnock above us on a much smaller budget.

They won't be there for long.

[EastStandGates]

Only on .net do you have a thread talking about European Group level football and splitting the OF, to 2 days later discussing relegation dogfights.

One **** up from Levitt cost us a point. And a tremendous result for Hearts put them back above us.

Try keep things into perspective and stay off the sauce and internet.

[007]

The Kilmarnock manager has a win ratio above 50% which pretty amazing

Where does it say that? Wikipedia says 41.76%

[BoomtownHibees]

Where does it say that? Wikipedia says 41.76%

If you take out when it was lower than that then it’s over 50%.

Or something like that

[May21/05/216]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side (who not so long ago looked relegation bound) were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.Hahaha

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[Is It On....]

Johnson did a pretty good job in England, especially at Bristol City, plus took Sunderland to the play-offs. The Hibs job shouldn't have been beyond him. But I think, like Hecky before him, he struggled to adapt to the Scottish top flight.

His win ratio at Bristol City was 38.7% Vs his win ratio at Hibs of 38.5%. It was significantly better at Sunderland where it was 51.3% but he did have one of the biggest budgets in League 1. His career average win ratio is 39.6% so I believe he delivered what we should have expected and that his "struggles" at Hibs has more to do with him being an average, journeyman manager than anything to do with Scottish football.

For what it's worth, given his previous track record, I think his recruitment was a bigger risk than recruiting Maloney because he was an unknown quantity with all the right credentials. With Johnson, you were hoping that he was somehow going to be better than his past results would have indicated.

[007]

Yip same guy. Also the same guy who's got Kilmarnock above us on a much smaller budget.


The same guy who had Kilmarnock teetering on the brink of relegation last season. 🤔

https://i.ibb.co/4RBY7jY/Screenshot-20231217-122321-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/b5p2Pr2)

[HFC93]

The Kilmarnock manager has a win ratio above 50% which pretty amazing

Does that include the season in the Championship? Do you have a breakdown of this?

[I'm Spartacus]

The overreaction to one defeat is as predictable as it is sad.

Thought I'd logged into Celtic.net for a second! WTF is this thread all about? We have progressed more these last few weeks than we have in years!

[He's here!]

If we had won yesterday we would been in third place.

This place is mental.

How often, tho, do we fail to show the required savvy to make the most of such opportunities? Winning yesterday should not have been an especially tall order but with Hibs, more often than not, there seems to be an inability to seize these moments. It's games like these where I wonder if a more seasoned boss would get us over the line.

[Col2]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side (who not so long ago looked relegation bound) were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.

Levein hasn’t won a trophy as a manager or as a player. Ask me to identify an experienced loser and Levein will always be 1st up. Close this stupid thread.

[Lago]

Johnson did a pretty good job in England, especially at Bristol City, plus took Sunderland to the play-offs. The Hibs job shouldn't have been beyond him. But I think, like Hecky before him, he struggled to adapt to the Scottish top flight.
What's special about the Scottish top flight?

[Is It On....]

Where does it say that? Wikipedia says 41.76%

That is at Kilmarnock (and does include his year in the Championship). At Aberdeen it was 53.4% (all SPL) and his total career is 46.7%. Apologies for the confusion 🙏

[WeeRussell]

Why indulge him?

So, so obvious.

[degenerated]

It's really amazing what losing 1 game does to some peoples brainsGive them their moment of enjoyment, some of them have been waiting for weeks for it.

[Hibby Bairn]

How often, tho, do we fail to show the required savvy to make the most of such opportunities? Winning yesterday should not have been an especially tall order but with Hibs, more often than not, there seems to be an inability to seize these moments. It's games like these where I wonder if a more seasoned boss would get us over the line.

St Johnstone are in a bit of form though. They've beat St Mirren and Killie and dug in well against Celtic, leading them.

Sometimes you just have a bad day. It happens. Hopefully get back winning ways in Dingwall.

[LewysGot2]

I hope that proves to be the case as I'd happily take a couple of seasons of Mowbray-type football at Hibs.

At present tho it's probably just as feasible he ends up going back to Australia having failed to improve us.

Why Australia?

[greenlex]

Why Australia?
Because he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.

[neil7908]

Is it April Fools Day already?

[007]

That is at Kilmarnock (and does include his year in the Championship). At Aberdeen it was 53.4% (all SPL) and his total career is 46.7%. Apologies for the confusion 🙏

So when you said "The Kilmarnock manager has a win ratio above 50% which pretty amazing" you were actually referring to McInnes's time at Aberdeen?

[007]

Kilmarnock's performance is heavily reliant on home form on the plastic pitch. Since McInnes was appointed:
H
W D L
22 7 8

A
W D L
5 10 21

If you strip out the 1/2 a season in the Championship it is:

H
W D L
14 7 7
A
W D L
3 6 19

[HoboHarry]

FFS, what a bizarre post. Attention seeking written all over the OP.

[A Hi-Bee]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side (who not so long ago looked relegation bound) were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.

The kind of thing we would expect to hear down gorgie way. FFS :faf:
:troll:

[He's here!]

Levein hasn’t won a trophy as a manager or as a player. Ask me to identify an experienced loser and Levein will always be 1st up. Close this stupid thread.

Levein's obviously a contentious example but he comfortably outwitted Montgomery yesterday. My point is whether a more battle-hardened manager (McInnes being a reasonable example) would be better able to adapt his thinking when we're being tactically outmanoeuvred.

[degenerated]

Levein's obviously a contentious example but he comfortably outwitted Montgomery yesterday. My point is whether a more battle-hardened manager (McInnes being a reasonable example) would be better able to adapt his thinking when we're being tactically outmanoeuvred.We weren't tactically out manoeuvred, we were just *****.

[Skol]

It amazes me that we have so many fans quietly sharpening the knives waiting for the first bad results so they can plunge it in to the manager

We all have different opinions, that’s life.

We have appointed Montgomery and he needs to be given time and support. We have been guilty of hurrying too many managers out the door in pursuit of some mythical level of football that we are only flirted with since the glory days of the early 50s.

[HoboHarry]

It amazes me that we have so many fans quietly sharpening the knives waiting for the first bad results so they can plunge it in to the manager

We all have different opinions, that’s life.

We have appointed Montgomery and he needs to be given time and support. We have been guilty of hurrying too many managers out the door in pursuit of some mythical level of football that we are only flirted with since the glory days of the early 50s.

Sensible posts like this are becoming a rare thing on this site.

[JohnM1875]

It amazes me that we have so many fans quietly sharpening the knives waiting for the first bad results so they can plunge it in to the manager

We all have different opinions, that’s life.

We have appointed Montgomery and he needs to be given time and support. We have been guilty of hurrying too many managers out the door in pursuit of some mythical level of football that we are only flirted with since the glory days of the early 50s.

Totally agree. And I’m sure Monty will get time. Really hope we invest and get some players he wants in this upcoming window.

Yesterday was the first poor loss. Obviously no one likes a scudding off the old firm. But losing against them isn’t a shock result.

We’ve also been far more fluid in formation that I thought we’d be. The way folk go on you’d think it’s a rigid 442 and we never deviate from it. Players are moving, cutting inside and changing position regularly.

[He's here!]

We weren't tactically out manoeuvred, we were just *****.

Levein knew how we'd set up and countered it accordingly. We're quite easy to play against if we're prevented from building up any sort of momentum.

[The Modfather]

Levein knew how we'd set up and countered it accordingly. We're quite easy to play against if we're prevented from building up any sort of momentum.

What was it specifically Levein did tactically to counter us?

[jakedance]

Something smells a bit funny about this thread.

[B.H.F.C]

Levein knew how we'd set up and countered it accordingly. We're quite easy to play against if we're prevented from building up any sort of momentum.

If we were that easy to play against we’d be losing games regularly.

We’re miles away from being a good side but the way you post, whenever there is a poor performance and/or result, you’d think we were losing every week.

[Cat Stanton]

Is this the start of 'Monty out' rumblings?

Before we appointed Montgomery I wanted McIness so I don't really disagree with the sentiments of the OP. The position he has Killie in on a fraction of the budget he would have at Hibs tells me he would do very well here, as he has done in every job he has had in Scotland.

However we have chosen the path we want to go down. I think Mcinnes would potentially see a quicker return but I think the long term ceiling with Montgomery is higher, of course the place we could bottom out could be far lower as well. It's what happens when you take a risk as opposed to going to the safer pair of hand.

With the squad we have I think flitting between 4th and 7th is about our level right now regardless of who the manager is. It's trying to make do with a squad that hasn't been assembled in a really coherent manner; hopefully the next 2 windows starts to see that shift and a team more suited to the current style on the park.

Sorry, but this is a far too sensible, reasoned, post. Please don't ever do that again. We need hysteria.

[Since452]

In the last few years we've tried vastly experienced managers, novice managers, inexperienced managers with success at a lower level. All of which have been a bit meh. It point to a bigger issue than whoever has been in the hot seat.

I do think there's something to be said about a manager with a proven track record in our league though. We seem to show a bit of snobbery by bypassing them. Going for Montgomery instead of a McInnes or Robinson seemed bizarre to me at the time and still does. Obviously most people seem to disagree.

[Skol]

In the last few years we've tried vastly experienced managers, novice managers, inexperienced managers with success at a lower level. All of which have been a bit meh. It point to a bigger issue than whoever has been in the hot seat.

I do think there's something to be said about a manager with a proven track record in our league though. We seem to show a bit of snobbery by bypassing them. Going for Montgomery instead of a McInnes or Robinson seemed bizarre to me at the time and still does. Obviously most people seem to disagree.

Does Robinson have a track record ? Arguably None more than butcher and we saw what happened there.

Mcinnes does, but there is something about him and the way his Aberdeen team played that I didn’t warm to. That said, I felt a similar way to Lennon but got behind him until the dying days of his time in charge when it was clear he had lost the plot.

[B.H.F.C]

Does Robinson have a track record ? Arguably None more than butcher and we saw what happened there.

Mcinnes does, but there is something about him and the way his Aberdeen team played that I didn’t warm to. That said, I felt a similar way to Lennon but got behind him until the dying days of his time in charge when it was clear he had lost the plot.

Going for the manager we have, it’s clear that he’s trying to implement something that is going to take time for us to become good at. He’s trying to implement it with a bit of a mishmash of a squad assembled before he was in the door. For all the imperfections, and there are plenty, only Rangers, Celtic and Hearts (by one point) have taken more points since we appointed Montgomery. I’m not convinced another manager, Robinson for example, would have achieved much more in that period of time.

[Skol]

I agree. I have my reservations about the way we play but there is no doubt our results have improved. They could have been even better but equally they could have been worse.

The club chose Montgomery and it’s up to us to support him
Not undermine him.

[Since452]

Does Robinson have a track record ? Arguably None more than butcher and we saw what happened there.

Mcinnes does, but there is something about him and the way his Aberdeen team played that I didn’t warm to. That said, I felt a similar way to Lennon but got behind him until the dying days of his time in charge when it was clear he had lost the plot.

He's got a 3rd place finish on his record. Top 6 finish with St Mirren last season for the first time ever and currently 4th in the league. Think his record is very good in our league. Comparing him with Butcher is harsh.

[thebausburst]

McInness was imo the very obvious and sensible choice for manager, however the club decided to go in a different direction and we all need to get behind NM. I’m not convinced we have anything like the quality of player required to play out from the back the way he wants us to and unless the much talked about investment in Hibs can take us to the next level squad wise I don’t see that changing.

[O'Rourke3]

In the last few years we've tried vastly experienced managers, novice managers, inexperienced managers with success at a lower level. All of which have been a bit meh. It point to a bigger issue than whoever has been in the hot seat.

I do think there's something to be said about a manager with a proven track record in our league though. We seem to show a bit of snobbery by bypassing them. Going for Montgomery instead of a McInnes or Robinson seemed bizarre to me at the time and still does. Obviously most people seem to disagree.Snobbery? We're you in the meetings where he was discussed and dismissed? Very strange take on that one.

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[Skol]

Was that not the Covid shortened season and no guarantee it would have been third mcinnes Aberdeen hot in heels.

And he got sacked the season after?

[Iain G]

Do not feed the trolls!

[Greencore]

I also like to smoke crack.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

*logs on to Hibs.net for the first time since yesterday morning*

*sees this thread*

*decides that’s enough internet for today*

[Gordy M]

With regards McInnes, if someone could stick up his away record with mighty Kilmarnock in the SPL when they actually have to play on grass......i think its aomething like 3 wins in about 2 years or something like that.....its awful.

[Since452]

With regards McInnes, if someone could stick up his away record with mighty Kilmarnock in the SPL when they actually have to play on grass......i think its aomething like 3 wins in about 2 years or something like that.....its awful.

Still above us with a fraction of the budget

[SaulGoodman]

Still above us with a fraction of the budget

Says a lot about sticking with a manager. Finished 3rd bottom last season but stuck with him.

We’ve got folk wanting yet another manager binned after losing for the first time against a non OF team in the league since he came in.

[Gordy M]

Still above us with a fraction of the budget

After how many games, we will be far ahead of Killie by the end of the season. They were 10th last season under McInnes......10th

[SaulGoodman]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side (who not so long ago looked relegation bound) were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.

Maybe our seemingly permanent state of ‘transition’ could be fixed if we actually kept a manager for a decent amount of time instead of lusting after every other manager in the league except our own.

[matty_f]

Maybe our seemingly permanent state of ‘transition’ could be fixed if we actually kept a manager for a decent amount of time instead of lusting after every other manager in the league except our own.

It’s a novel idea and not one I’m sure will catch on. But I like it.

[greenlex]

Maybe our seemingly permanent state of ‘transition’ could be fixed if we actually kept a manager for a decent amount of time instead of lusting after every other manager in the league except our own.

He will be wanting the next teams manager outwith the uglies to beat us to be next up.

[007]

With regards McInnes, if someone could stick up his away record with mighty Kilmarnock in the SPL when they actually have to play on grass......i think its aomething like 3 wins in about 2 years or something like that.....its awful.

Already posted it on the previous page:

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?364854-Would-we-do-better-with-an-experienced-manager-like-dare-I-say-it-Levein&p=7529982&viewfull=1#post7529982

and yes, it 3 away wins out of 28.

[HendoDelivered]

*logs on to Hibs.net for the first time since yesterday morning*

*sees this thread*

*decides that’s enough internet for today*

Yep. This place has went down hill drastically.

[J-C]

Is this the start of 'Monty out' rumblings?

Before we appointed Montgomery I wanted McIness so I don't really disagree with the sentiments of the OP. The position he has Killie in on a fraction of the budget he would have at Hibs tells me he would do very well here, as he has done in every job he has had in Scotland.

However we have chosen the path we want to go down. I think Mcinnes would potentially see a quicker return but I think the long term ceiling with Montgomery is higher, of course the place we could bottom out could be far lower as well. It's what happens when you take a risk as opposed to going to the safer pair of hand.

With the squad we have I think flitting between 4th and 7th is about our level right now regardless of who the manager is. It's trying to make do with a squad that hasn't been assembled in a really coherent manner; hopefully the next 2 windows starts to see that shift and a team more suited to the current style on the park.

I too was a McInnes in and had never heard of Montgomery until the talk on here, is he too inexperienced, maybe but as has been said, LJ had bags of experience and was pants.

[Since452]

Is this the start of 'Monty out' rumblings?

Before we appointed Montgomery I wanted McIness so I don't really disagree with the sentiments of the OP. The position he has Killie in on a fraction of the budget he would have at Hibs tells me he would do very well here, as he has done in every job he has had in Scotland.

However we have chosen the path we want to go down. I think Mcinnes would potentially see a quicker return but I think the long term ceiling with Montgomery is higher, of course the place we could bottom out could be far lower as well. It's what happens when you take a risk as opposed to going to the safer pair of hand.

With the squad we have I think flitting between 4th and 7th is about our level right now regardless of who the manager is. It's trying to make do with a squad that hasn't been assembled in a really coherent manner; hopefully the next 2 windows starts to see that shift and a team more suited to the current style on the park.

I don't think anyone is wanting him out, yet. He needs to change something though. Most people will put up with horrific football if we're winning and we'd won 4 of the last 5. Lose playing horrific football without a shot on target against Craig Levein's St Johnsone and people will ask questions. I disagree with where this squad should sit. I think we have a squad that should be in the mix for 3rd come the end of the season. We've invested millions it for that reason.

[Iain G]

I don't think anyone is wanting him out, yet. He needs to change something though. Most people will put up with horrific football if we're winning and we'd won 4 of the last 5. Lose playing horrific football without a shot on target against Craig Levein's St Johnsone and people will ask questions. I disagree with where this squad should sit. I think we have a squad that should be in the mix for 3rd come the end of the season. We've invested millions it for that reason.

What do you mean yet? It's insane you are even considering such thoughts. He has been in the door 5 minutes. This is insanity.

[Callum_62]

I don't think anyone is wanting him out, yet. He needs to change something though. Most people will put up with horrific football if we're winning and we'd won 4 of the last 5. Lose playing horrific football without a shot on target against Craig Levein's St Johnsone and people will ask questions. I disagree with where this squad should sit. I think we have a squad that should be in the mix for 3rd come the end of the season. We've invested millions it for that reason."yet"

I just shake my head at the now now now mentality

We've had one poor result in weeks

Reminds me of the thread (can't mind who said it) was going on about manger being out of we don't win a game through January or something

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[erin go bragh]

Get this embarrassment of a post off the board. Honestly this place just reeks of negativity.

[Iain G]

Get this embarrassment of a post off the board. Honestly this place just reeks of negativity.

And of trolls and yams.

[Heisenberg]

I don't think anyone is wanting him out, yet. He needs to change something though. Most people will put up with horrific football if we're winning and we'd won 4 of the last 5. Lose playing horrific football without a shot on target against Craig Levein's St Johnsone and people will ask questions. I disagree with where this squad should sit. I think we have a squad that should be in the mix for 3rd come the end of the season. We've invested millions it for that reason.

The new manager has dragged us right into the mix for 3rd since he arrived to be fair. Keep us up there over the next three games then we go into the January window with the chance to make some changes, hopefully for the better.

[SHODAN]

Late entry but I think we might have a contender for worst take of the year.

[Victor]

*logs on to Hibs.net for the first time since yesterday morning*

*sees this thread*

*decides that’s enough internet for today*

Totally agree. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some topics are just outlets for trolls.


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[B.H.F.C]

I don't think anyone is wanting him out, yet. He needs to change something though. Most people will put up with horrific football if we're winning and we'd won 4 of the last 5. Lose playing horrific football without a shot on target against Craig Levein's St Johnsone and people will ask questions. I disagree with where this squad should sit. I think we have a squad that should be in the mix for 3rd come the end of the season. We've invested millions it for that reason.

We’re two points off third. Since the manager came in, only Rangers, Celtic and Hearts (by one point) have taken more points than us.

Surely that constitutes being in the mix for third?

[mcohibs]

It's really amazing what losing 1 game does to some peoples brains

Actually staggering tbh. Levein [emoji23][emoji23] Jesus Christ man. Folk say social media is bad, this forum is ludicrous at times.

[makaveli1875]

Leveins only target this season will be to beat us . That's all that matters to him . I can't believe nobody told monty about the bitter jambo ****** before the game . He had them well fired up and hammering into us with over the top tackles .

[He's here!]

What was it specifically Levein did tactically to counter us?

Wasn't complex. Just made sure he stopped us playing out from the back. Same as he did to the novice Mowbray a good number of years ago:

BBC SPORT | Football | Scottish Premier | Edinburgh rivals in war of words (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/3956547.stm)

Mowbray learned from that and (importantly) had the quality of player under his command to beat the yams next time he faced them.

I'm not saying I think Levein would be the man for Hibs. As a manager, his teams are usually pretty dull. But (bar his abysmal spell in charge of Scotland) they're for the most part quite effective. I'm just not yet convinced there's a Mowbray-style renaissance shaping up under Montgomery and I wouldn't be surprised to see St J adopt exactly the same approach at ER next time out and win 1-0.

Folk are claiming this is all an over-reaction to 'one result'. But how many times do we see Hibs teams put themselves in a position whereby they could make some serious headway only to flop dismally? McDiarmid Park is hardly a pressure cauldron yet we couldn't handle the chance to go third and instead caved meekly. Coupled with the shock Hearts result it was a dire day's work and badly undermined hopes of capitalising on a set of favourable (albeit away) fixtures.

[He's here!]

I don't think anyone is wanting him out, yet. He needs to change something though. Most people will put up with horrific football if we're winning and we'd won 4 of the last 5. Lose playing horrific football without a shot on target against Craig Levein's St Johnsone and people will ask questions. I disagree with where this squad should sit. I think we have a squad that should be in the mix for 3rd come the end of the season. We've invested millions it for that reason.

Indeed. It's the shrug of the shoulders 'ach it's only one game' reaction that riles those who think questions are entitled to be asked of such a feeble display.

[B.H.F.C]

Indeed. It's the shrug of the shoulders 'ach it's only one game' reaction that riles those who think questions are entitled to be asked of such a feeble display.

There’s a difference between asking questions and the stuff you generally come out with when we happen to lose a game. I remember you talking about relegation after the cup semi final defeat. You couldn’t see where our next point was coming from. Now that’s clearly not going to happen the next thing is that you can see us falling out of the top six.

I don’t think anyone who has been watching us regularly under Montgomery would argue that we’ve been particularly good but we’re in a far better position now than we were when he took over. Your post just completely disregards the point the results he’s had since his appointment are better than the vast majority of the league.

It’s blatantly obvious that we need to improve but you speak as if we’ve been losing week in, week out.

[mcohibs]

Indeed. It's the shrug of the shoulders 'ach it's only one game' reaction that riles those who think questions are entitled to be asked of such a feeble display.

Aye but it is one game though. One game out of NM’s 14 league games in charge that we’ve been beat by anyone outside of the arse cheeks.

We need a bit of patience as a support. I think we’re onto a good one with NM and his back room staff and sitting well for a good end to the season if we can recruit well in January.

[whiskyhibby]

He gets written off as 'a dinosaur' but his overall record is decent and his St Johnstone side (who not so long ago looked relegation bound) were by far the better side yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make steady progress towards the top six at our expense.

We were every bit as bad as anything we've seen under our last few 'young' managers and I do wonder if our seemingly permanent state of 'transition' (ie maddening inconsistency) could be addressed by appointing someone who's been around the block a few times.

I like Monty's ability to get some mileage out of players we'd all but written off, but we still seem horribly fragile as a team.

**** me…… what have you been snorting……

[WeeRussell]

There’s a difference between asking questions and the stuff you generally come out with when we happen to lose a game. I remember you talking about relegation after the cup semi final defeat. You couldn’t see where our next point was coming from. Now that’s clearly not going to happen the next thing is that you can see us falling out of the top six.

I don’t think anyone who has been watching us regularly under Montgomery would argue that we’ve been particularly good but we’re in a far better position now than we were when he took over. Your post just completely disregards the point the results he’s had since his appointment are better than the vast majority of the league.

It’s blatantly obvious that we need to improve but you speak as if we’ve been losing week in, week out.

Admits he doesn’t bother watching Hibs but manages to come out with these incredible assessments every now and then when an opportunity presents itself (or doesn’t).

Slightly surprised such a blatant troll survived the recent cull as it happens, but was probably just quiet at the right time.

[Hulk1875]

Get rid of this OP 🤣 social media has brought out most ridiculous of people

[B.H.F.C]

Admits he doesn’t bother watching Hibs but manages to come out with these incredible assessments every now and then when an opportunity presents itself (or doesn’t).

Slightly surprised such a blatant troll survived the recent cull as it happens, but was probably just quiet at the right time.

Agree and I’m not actually sure why I bite.

I guess I’m just a bit pissed off with what I see as some pretty stupid reactions to a defeat. It was a defeat, it was a dreadful performance, it happens.

There are absolutely some valid criticisms and questions to be asked of this team and Montgomery. It’s miles from being perfect. I just think you need to look at where we are now against where we were when he came in.

If we go on some daft losing streak, including a defeat in the derby then there is a different conversation on the go. But we’ve responded well to defeats under Montgomery. Gubbed by Rangers, drew with Celtic the following week. Lost the semi final, took 10 points from our next 12. Gubbed at Parkhead, won the next game. Hopefully we can get going again next week.

[jacomo]

Actually staggering tbh. Levein [emoji23][emoji23] Jesus Christ man. Folk say social media is bad, this forum is ludicrous at times.


It’s a bit of a laugh eh?

:greengrin

[He's here!]

Agree and I’m not actually sure why I bite.

I guess I’m just a bit pissed off with what I see as some pretty stupid reactions to a defeat. It was a defeat, it was a dreadful performance, it happens.

There are absolutely some valid criticisms and questions to be asked of this team and Montgomery. It’s miles from being perfect. I just think you need to look at where we are now against where we were when he came in.

If we go on some daft losing streak, including a defeat in the derby then there is a different conversation on the go. But we’ve responded well to defeats under Montgomery. Gubbed by Rangers, drew with Celtic the following week. Lost the semi final, took 10 points from our next 12. Gubbed at Parkhead, won the next game. Hopefully we can get going again next week.

Another dismal 1-0 defeat at County (not unlikely if we stage a repeat of yesterday's showing) followed by a morale-sapping derby defeat wouldn't really be a 'daft' losing run. It would be entirely feasible. On the flip side we could bounce back and be feeling a lot better about things by the 27th.

The problem is, as you say, nobody really has a clue what sort of results we can expect. We rode our luck v the sheep and Livi in particular but I had hoped it was a sign that we'd developed an invaluable ability to win whole not playing especially well. Unfortunately yesterday shot those hopes down and sparked some justifiable concerns about the manager's approach (just look at the 'tactics' thread for evidence of that).

Criticising awful displays isn't trolling. They come around with such maddening frequency that I just don't happen to think we can keep letting them slide as a 'bad day at the office'.

[mcohibs]

Criticising awful displays isn't trolling. They come around with such maddening frequency that I just don't happen to think we can keep letting them slide as a 'bad day at the office'.

Suggesting Levein may have been a better managerial appointment is trolling. When this manager only just has his foot in the door, hasn’t had a transfer window, and before this weekend our only league defeats during his tenure were away to both Celtic and Rangers. You’re at it.

If remarkably you’re OP is genuine, I suggest finding a bit of perspective and patience. Otherwise ‘supporting’ Hibs for you will be a rather joyless endeavour.

[JimBHibees]

I don't think anyone is wanting him out, yet. He needs to change something though. Most people will put up with horrific football if we're winning and we'd won 4 of the last 5. Lose playing horrific football without a shot on target against Craig Levein's St Johnsone and people will ask questions. I disagree with where this squad should sit. I think we have a squad that should be in the mix for 3rd come the end of the season. We've invested millions it for that reason.

Yet. Wow. Weird.

[EdinMike]

Welp. I didn’t know it was possible to nearly throw up by reading a forum thread… but here we are…

[Hiber-nation]

Another dismal 1-0 defeat at County (not unlikely if we stage a repeat of yesterday's showing) followed by a morale-sapping derby defeat wouldn't really be a 'daft' losing run. It would be entirely feasible. On the flip side we could bounce back and be feeling a lot better about things by the 27th.

The problem is, as you say, nobody really has a clue what sort of results we can expect. We rode our luck v the sheep and Livi in particular but I had hoped it was a sign that we'd developed an invaluable ability to win whole not playing especially well. Unfortunately yesterday shot those hopes down and sparked some justifiable concerns about the manager's approach (just look at the 'tactics' thread for evidence of that).

Criticising awful displays isn't trolling. They come around with such maddening frequency that I just don't happen to think we can keep letting them slide as a 'bad day at the office'.

Well done, you got the usual reaction you crave.

[HNA11]

I think everything that needs to be said on this thread has been said.

Closed.