PDA

View Full Version : Derek Adams Rant



mixumatosis
17-12-2023, 08:26 AM
How do we think this is likely to play out for us with a trip to Dingwall next up?

He's basically told his players that they're not professional standard by saying no-one should be expected to pay to watch them.

I know he's a bit of a club legend as a manager, but he'll have no goodwill built up with the current squad. Think it will be very tough for him to get any kind of positive reaction from them, which will hopefully benefit us.

JimBHibees
17-12-2023, 08:32 AM
How do we think this is likely to play out for us with a trip to Dingwall next up?

He's basically told his players that they're not professional standard by saying no-one should be expected to pay to watch them.

I know he's a bit of a club legend as a manager, but he'll have no goodwill built up with the current squad. Think it will be very tough for him to get any kind of positive reaction from them, which will hopefully benefit us.

Could go either way I think but very odd thing to do when just in the door.

Keith_M
17-12-2023, 08:38 AM
I was actually just reading that article myself and was, well, 'surprised' he actually said this...


'"The players have to do a lot better than they're doing at the moment. Yes, we had a bounce but flipping heck... We need more than a bounce. We need players to give week in, week out. I'm really disappointed...the standard is rubbish. It really is...if I am a paying customer at this moment in time, I'm not coming back to watch that I'll tell you that.

"I've left a side down in England's League Two that is miles better than this team. And that's saying something, we had the bottom budget in League Two and we were a hundred times better than this. A hundred times."'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/derek-adams-rips-scottish-football-31689416

gaz1875
17-12-2023, 08:38 AM
He's correct with some of the comments he made. The quality is pretty poor in most games as it can be in all leagues around the world. I think the state of some of the pitches has a part to play, as well as so many teams being equal and cancelling each other out.

Scottie
17-12-2023, 08:40 AM
How do we think this is likely to play out for us with a trip to Dingwall next up?

He's basically told his players that they're not professional standard by saying no-one should be expected to pay to watch them.

I know he's a bit of a club legend as a manager, but he'll have no goodwill built up with the current squad. Think it will be very tough for him to get any kind of positive reaction from them, which will hopefully benefit us.
He seems a strange individual but he’ll not be worried a jot if the same Hibernian team turn up to his gaff next week that turned out yesterday at St Johnstone.

JimBHibees
17-12-2023, 08:40 AM
I was actually just reading that article myself and was, well, 'surprised' he actually said this...


'"The players have to do a lot better than they're doing at the moment. Yes, we had a bounce but flipping heck... We need more than a bounce. We need players to give week in, week out. I'm really disappointed...the standard is rubbish. It really is...if I am a paying customer at this moment in time, I'm not coming back to watch that I'll tell you that.

"I've left a side down in England's League Two that is miles better than this team. And that's saying something, we had the bottom budget in League Two and we were a hundred times better than this. A hundred times."'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/derek-adams-rips-scottish-football-31689416



You have got to wonder why he left the team a hundred times better.

Hiber-nation
17-12-2023, 08:41 AM
He's a total weirdo alright but whatever he says we'll lose if we play like we did yesterday.

Bostonhibby
17-12-2023, 08:43 AM
Team performing badly? Can't buy a win?

We have form for being ideal next opponents. We really should beat them easily......

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

Pretty Boy
17-12-2023, 08:49 AM
It's not going to end well for him.

How many really top managers slaughter their players in public? The fans might want to hear that 'passion' but it's rarely a good idea. There are certain things that should remain behind closed doors.

I'm not sure if many people watched the Beckham documentary on Netflix but it was interesting hearing him talk about Glenn Hoddles behaviour after the Argentina game in 1998. He hung Beckham out to dry and turned the mob on him, DB said he had never encountered that before as Ferguson could be a tyrant in private but publicly he defended his players to the death.

Adams is now in a position that sees him need some of these players to get him through the season but he has just told the whole country he thinks they are crap and wouldn't pay to watch them. It feels very Hibs and Butcher and I don't see how it can possibly end well.

Trinity Hibee
17-12-2023, 09:01 AM
The number of draws between teams over the past few seasons to me highlights the lack of real quality within the league now. Go back 5 years or so and there seemed to be a lot of good players and teams in the league. A strong Aberdeen,Hibs,Killie,hearts. Now all of these teams are not a huge bit better than the rest.

Jones28
17-12-2023, 09:25 AM
Did Bartley at QOTS get any sort of reaction after the digs he made at his squad a few weeks ago?

mixumatosis
17-12-2023, 09:33 AM
It's not going to end well for him.

How many really top managers slaughter their players in public? The fans might want to hear that 'passion' but it's rarely a good idea. There are certain things that should remain behind closed doors.

I'm not sure if many people watched the Beckham documentary on Netflix but it was interesting hearing him talk about Glenn Hoddles behaviour after the Argentina game in 1998. He hung Beckham out to dry and turned the mob on him, DB said he had never encountered that before as Ferguson could be a tyrant in private but publicly he defended his players to the death.

Adams is now in a position that sees him need some of these players to get him through the season but he has just told the whole country he thinks they are crap and wouldn't pay to watch them. It feels very Hibs and Butcher and I don't see how it can possibly end well.

I think when you've got really, really top end players it could maybe be effective - getting an extra 5% out of those guys because they feel like they need to prove something to the boss could make all the difference.

But with the best will in the world, a 5% improvement in Simon Murrays game is not going to turn Ross County into a different side.

MKHIBEE
17-12-2023, 09:34 AM
Welcome back Derek. Nice to see you

overdrive
17-12-2023, 09:37 AM
It's not going to end well for him.

How many really top managers slaughter their players in public? The fans might want to hear that 'passion' but it's rarely a good idea. There are certain things that should remain behind closed doors.

I'm not sure if many people watched the Beckham documentary on Netflix but it was interesting hearing him talk about Glenn Hoddles behaviour after the Argentina game in 1998. He hung Beckham out to dry and turned the mob on him, DB said he had never encountered that before as Ferguson could be a tyrant in private but publicly he defended his players to the death.

Adams is now in a position that sees him need some of these players to get him through the season but he has just told the whole country he thinks they are crap and wouldn't pay to watch them. It feels very Hibs and Butcher and I don't see how it can possibly end well.

Butcher with us was exactly what I thought as well. He’s gone in with it a bit quicker than Butcher as well. He better hope he has more scope to do something in the transfer window compared to Butcher.

The guy seems a bit of a weirdo. What were Hibs thinking having him and Calderwood (who also comes across as a weirdo) in the same management team?

Itsnoteasy
17-12-2023, 09:50 AM
He's correct with some of the comments he made. The quality is pretty poor in most games as it can be in all leagues around the world. I think the state of some of the pitches has a part to play, as well as so many teams being equal and cancelling each other out.

I don't agree 100% with the state of the parks having a part to play. Go back in time to the 50s to the 90s not manicured lawns like they are now. Snow, mud baths etc. No complaints, they just got on with it. Difference is they had the skill to play on any pitch.

eastmainsmsh
17-12-2023, 09:53 AM
Waiting on Aberdeen job ?

Keith_M
17-12-2023, 10:35 AM
He's a total weirdo alright but whatever he says we'll lose if we play like we did yesterday.


I would love to know what he thought of Hibs' display yesterday.

ekhibee
17-12-2023, 10:41 AM
I thought he was talking about the standard of football in general in Scotland, not just Ross County. There are a lot of really poor games played between a lot of average to poor teams up here, but he was with Morecombe who really aren't that special in England and there is a lot more dross down there.

K-Zazu
17-12-2023, 10:49 AM
He’s right, Scottish football is rank.

Swedish hibee
17-12-2023, 11:23 AM
There is many moments of dross I have watched this year too Derek.

hibbydog
17-12-2023, 11:25 AM
It’s not going to win him friends or motivate his team, but I couldn’t agree more with what he said. The standard of football in Scotland is awful.

SHODAN
17-12-2023, 11:27 AM
Ah, he's good fun.

HFC93
17-12-2023, 11:32 AM
Team performing badly? Can't buy a win?

We have form for being ideal next opponents. We really should beat them easily......

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

They've done OK since he came in (2 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses). I wouldn't say they've been struggling for a win or performing that badly which makes his comments stranger.

Pretty Boy
17-12-2023, 11:33 AM
I don't think Scottish football as a whole is rank at all. There are rank games and in the Premiership there is so little between teams 3 to 12 that there is often games when each team cancels each other out. Arguably the issue is very Premierhsip specific.

I watch the Friday night Championship games almost religiously and they are often very entertaining and there is a lot of good football on show. I defy anyone to argue Raith Rovers v Partick Thistle last week wasn't a game of the season contender.

The issue in the Premiership is that the split, the small number of teams and the financial disparity between finishing say 10th or 5th is such that low risk football often wins the day. You see it almost all the time at ER, teams come and sit in, nullifying Hibs and getting away with a valuable point beats trying to come and play and risking going home with nothing. I daresay it is the same for the likes of Aberdeen and Hearts too.

I find the 12 teams with a split format stale. It has succeeded in less meaningless games from about March onwards but it does also lead to a lot of teams playing very safe football because a matter of a point or 2 can dictate whether you are competing for Europe in April and May or battling relegation. People can argue that should make people more willing to take a risk to reach top 6 but the evidence of your eyes suggests it hasn't played out like that.

If managers are frustrated with the spectacle on show then they really need to take a big chunk of the responsibility for that. Football is increasingly robotic with stats and the current fashion dictating how everyone plays. They are choosing to set their teams up in a way that blunts any entertainment and shackles individuality. It's a sad fact that a player like Russell Latapy would probably toil at Hibs now because his heat map would show he wasn't working at an efficient level and for the good of the team we would be better with Jeggo or Campbell as their pass completion stats, ground covered and duels won stats would be better.

HUTCHYHIBBY
17-12-2023, 11:38 AM
It’s not going to win him friends or motivate his team, but I couldn’t agree more with what he said. The standard of football in Scotland is awful.

Unfortunately so. 😔

Yorkshire HFC
17-12-2023, 11:54 AM
It's not going to end well for him.

How many really top managers slaughter their players in public? The fans might want to hear that 'passion' but it's rarely a good idea. There are certain things that should remain behind closed doors.

I'm not sure if many people watched the Beckham documentary on Netflix but it was interesting hearing him talk about Glenn Hoddles behaviour after the Argentina game in 1998. He hung Beckham out to dry and turned the mob on him, DB said he had never encountered that before as Ferguson could be a tyrant in private but publicly he defended his players to the death.

Adams is now in a position that sees him need some of these players to get him through the season but he has just told the whole country he thinks they are crap and wouldn't pay to watch them. It feels very Hibs and Butcher and I don't see how it can possibly end well.


When managers say what they really feel - they get slated. When managers give the same old pr nonsense - they get slated.

I'd rather hear the truth from someone who knows football - rather than just hearing from journalists outside the game, or even worse, fans who know nothing about football.

He seems to want Scottish football to get better, rather than just to focus on the winning the next game. Short term thinking won't lead to any progress, but that's what fans seem to want - perfect example being this website, where after each win, the players are overly praised (eg Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell) and after each defeat they are derided as being past it or useless (eg Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell). Good for Adams I say - I want to see more honesty.

Smartie
17-12-2023, 12:00 PM
When managers say what they really feel - they get slated. When managers give the same old pr nonsense - they get slated.

I'd rather hear the truth from someone who knows football - rather than just hearing from journalists outside the game, or even worse, fans who know nothing about football.

He seems to want Scottish football to get better, rather than just to focus on the winning the next game. Short term thinking won't lead to any progress, but that's what fans seem to want - perfect example being this website, where after each win, the players are overly praised (eg Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell) and after each defeat they are derided as being past it or useless (eg Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell). Good for Adams I say - I want to see more honesty.

Was it honesty though?

It smacked of bitterness to me, his team had lost and he hadn’t regained his composure before starting his rant. It was his “chimp” talking.

What exactly does he expect?

It was borderline “been places, done hings” even if there were a few valid points in there.

He probably regrets it this morning as it will have done him no favours.

Pretty Boy
17-12-2023, 12:02 PM
When managers say what they really feel - they get slated. When managers give the same old pr nonsense - they get slated.

I'd rather hear the truth from someone who knows football - rather than just hearing from journalists outside the game, or even worse, fans who know nothing about football.

He seems to want Scottish football to get better, rather than just to focus on the winning the next game. Short term thinking won't lead to any progress, but that's what fans seem to want - perfect example being this website, where after each win, the players are overly praised (eg Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell) and after each defeat they are derided as being past it or useless (eg Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell). Good for Adams I say - I want to see more honesty.

Was Adams honest?

It sounded every bit like a bitter rant from a guy's who watched his team get done with a sucker punch and he was lashing out. It was full of cliche 'we were the better team', 'we need to be better in the final 3rd', 'they never really troubled us'......Had they won 1-0 yesterday I doubt you would have heard any concern from him about the standard or any desire from him to make Scottish football better.

And if he is concerned about the standard then as a professional who has worked in the game here at different clubs and in different roles down the years then he is very much complicit in the drop in standards.

Smartie
17-12-2023, 12:03 PM
Was Adams honest?

It sounded every bit like a bitter rant from a guy's who watched his team get done with a sucker punch and he was lashing out. It was full of cliche 'we were the better team', 'we need to be better in the final 3rd', 'they never really troubled us'......Had they won 1-0 yesterday I doubt you would have heard any concern from him about the standard or any desire from him to make Scottish football better.

And if he is concerned about the standard then as a professional who has worked in the game here at different clubs and in different roles down the years then he is very much complicit.

😂😂😂

Snap.

Baader
17-12-2023, 12:14 PM
Just stupid. Won't go down well with the players and just makes things more difficult for himself. If League Two is "a hundred times better" then why did he quit Morecambe for Ross County?

If he were an English manager coming in and saying this there would be uproar. The fact Adams has been involved in Scottish football previously probably saves him some flak but strikes me as very odd comments to try and get his team motoring.

Find him a strange individual and doubt very much he'll be in his post for long.

HoboHarry
17-12-2023, 12:21 PM
The question about why he left England to come back up the road isn't very relevant, he could have scores of reasons for wanting back to Scotland. Now reality has set in i doubt he'll be here long

BILLYHIBS
17-12-2023, 12:34 PM
Should be an interesting chat with his Chairman tomorrow

Just making a rod for his own back

Let’s make him eat his words Hibs

neil7908
17-12-2023, 12:34 PM
Could go either way I think but very odd thing to do when just in the door.

Terry Butcher energy

HUTCHYHIBBY
17-12-2023, 12:36 PM
I don't think Scottish football as a whole is rank at all. There are rank games and in the Premiership there is so little between teams 3 to 12 that there is often games when each team cancels each other out. Arguably the issue is very Premierhsip specific.

I watch the Friday night Championship games almost religiously and they are often very entertaining and there is a lot of good football on show. I defy anyone to argue Raith Rovers v Partick Thistle last week wasn't a game of the season contender.

The issue in the Premiership is that the split, the small number of teams and the financial disparity between finishing say 10th or 5th is such that low risk football often wins the day. You see it almost all the time at ER, teams come and sit in, nullifying Hibs and getting away with a valuable point beats trying to come and play and risking going home with nothing. I daresay it is the same for the likes of Aberdeen and Hearts too.

I find the 12 teams with a split format stale. It has succeeded in less meaningless games from about March onwards but it does also lead to a lot of teams playing very safe football because a matter of a point or 2 can dictate whether you are competing for Europe in April and May or battling relegation. People can argue that should make people more willing to take a risk to reach top 6 but the evidence of your eyes suggests it hasn't played out like that.

If managers are frustrated with the spectacle on show then they really need to take a big chunk of the responsibility for that. Football is increasingly robotic with stats and the current fashion dictating how everyone plays. They are choosing to set their teams up in a way that blunts any entertainment and shackles individuality. It's a sad fact that a player like Russell Latapy would probably toil at Hibs now because his heat map would show he wasn't working at an efficient level and for the good of the team we would be better with Jeggo or Campbell as their pass completion stats, ground covered and duels won stats would be better.

It's a fair enough point about the championship, probably enjoyed more of those games than the top league fayre

Frogga
17-12-2023, 12:40 PM
The bit that bothered me was saying Morecambe are '100 times better' than Ross County. That's utter bullsh*t and just feeds the English trolls with their 'pub league' chat.

A Hi-Bee
17-12-2023, 12:53 PM
Dont, find much wrong with what he is saying, Scottish Fitba is rubbish, Morcambe marginally better than Dingwell, perhaps.
He sounds like he knows what he is doing, as he has Hibs next, we always tend to help the underdog.
:greengrin

sleeping giant
17-12-2023, 12:55 PM
He's a maniac. I like him 😅

Smartie
17-12-2023, 01:00 PM
Was Derek Adams not doing quite well down South for a while, maybe somewhere like Plymouth?

Cat Stanton
17-12-2023, 01:20 PM
He's a maniac. I like him 😅

Was he not at Hibs as assistant manager for about 15 minutes a long time ago?

Anyway, he's a bit of a strange character, but he's not wrong in his assessment.

Rumble de Thump
17-12-2023, 01:35 PM
He was assistant manager at Hibs back in the days when football management was all about taking a look inside different bags of sweets.

ekhibee
17-12-2023, 04:38 PM
He's a maniac. I like him 😅

Me too! 😁

Carheenlea
17-12-2023, 04:52 PM
His players are not going to react well to that. Can see them downing tools rather than fighting for him.

Actually think a decent bet might be for Adam’s to be the next SPL manager to go.

HoboHarry
17-12-2023, 05:08 PM
His players are not going to react well to that. Can see them downing tools rather than fighting for him.

Actually think a decent bet might be for Adam’s to be the next SPL manager to go.
If those really are his honest views, and I'm inclined to think they are, I expect he'll quit pretty soon.

J-C
17-12-2023, 05:27 PM
Adams has a point, standards up here are poor, money down south in Div 1 & 2 is ridiculous.

ErinGoBraghHFC
17-12-2023, 05:36 PM
£100 on Ross County to finish bottom at 11/2, keep up the good work Derek


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Keith_M
17-12-2023, 07:54 PM
Adams has a point, standards up here are poor, money down south in Div 1 & 2 is ridiculous.


That's OK for a Fan to come out with, but it's a bit of a strange thing for somebody to say if they've just moved up here from England for a job as a Head Coach.

Pretty Boy
17-12-2023, 08:16 PM
That's OK for a Fan to come out with, but it's a bit of a strange thing for somebody to say if they've just moved up here from England for a job as a Head Coach.

I think what he said is bollocks anyway. Morecambe are '100 times better' than the standard in Scotland? They have Cammy Smith up front who managed 4 goals in 89 games for Aberdeen in the Scottish Premiership and more recently 1 in 45 for Partick Thistle in the Championship.

The likes of us, Hearts and Aberdeen have all held our own against decent sides in Europe this season. If we can beat Luzern, Hearts can beat Rosenberg and Aberdeen can beat Eintracht Frankfurt then we'd wipe the floor with Morecambe, Gillingham and Accrington Stanley.

PHeffernan
17-12-2023, 08:21 PM
I was actually just reading that article myself and was, well, 'surprised' he actually said this...


'"The players have to do a lot better than they're doing at the moment. Yes, we had a bounce but flipping heck... We need more than a bounce. We need players to give week in, week out. I'm really disappointed...the standard is rubbish. It really is...if I am a paying customer at this moment in time, I'm not coming back to watch that I'll tell you that.

"I've left a side down in England's League Two that is miles better than this team. And that's saying something, we had the bottom budget in League Two and we were a hundred times better than this. A hundred times."'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/derek-adams-rips-scottish-football-31689416



Had he left it at the first paragraph I wouldn't have argued but his 2nd paragraph is childish hyperbole.
England's League Two is the league where Harry the skateboarder scored with ease before coming up here and flailing about like the Mr Muscle oven cleaner guy.

WeeRussell
17-12-2023, 08:22 PM
I think what he said is bollocks anyway.

Completely agree. It’s not just that he’s a dick for saying it. It’s the sort of complete slavering someone having a bad night on here would come out with.

StirlingHibee
17-12-2023, 08:25 PM
Scottish football is awful these days. I can't remember the last time I saw any real quality and only get excited these days when it's a game against Hearts or the Old Firm. Saying that our home game against Celtic was dreadful too. I still go to games more out of habit than anything else. The fact that we are in close proximity (in my opinion) to the most exciting league in world football at present perhaps doesn't help.

PHeffernan
17-12-2023, 08:36 PM
Scottish football is awful these days. I can't remember the last time I saw any real quality and only get excited these days when it's a game against Hearts or the Old Firm. Saying that our home game against Celtic was dreadful too. I still go to games more out of habit than anything else. The fact that we are in close proximity (in my opinion) to the most exciting league in world football at present perhaps doesn't help.

Yet our teams beat Feyenoord, Frankfurt and Real Betis this week

StirlingHibee
17-12-2023, 08:58 PM
Yet our teams beat Feyenoord, Frankfurt and Real Betis this week

True. However, not sure how motivated Feyenoord and Frankfurt were given they had already made progress. Credit to Rangers though.

WestCoastHibby
17-12-2023, 08:58 PM
Did Bartley at QOTS get any sort of reaction after the digs he made at his squad a few weeks ago?

Yes, I think he did

WestCoastHibby
17-12-2023, 09:03 PM
I’m not sure Derek Adams lift goes to the top floor.
He has a history of making left field decisions and moves. Coming to Easter Rd as Colin Calderwoods asst and then back up the road toute suite for example.
I just think he’s a strange one.
Would love us to give them a skelp in the upcoming game but we definitely need to up our game

PHeffernan
17-12-2023, 09:10 PM
True. However, not sure how motivated Feyenoord and Frankfurt were given they had already made progress. Credit to Rangers though.

Feyenoord definitely were. They play the style NM tries to play but play it with far better players who play it with power and speed which is the key. They were very impressive but the luck was with Celtic on the night.

matty_f
17-12-2023, 09:23 PM
If he thinks that was bad, I hope he never saw our game on Sportscene.

Yorkshire HFC
18-12-2023, 04:50 AM
If he thinks that was bad, I hope he never saw our game on Sportscene.


I've been watching Hibs for over 50 years. Until recently there were great players in Scottish football - when I was young they were Scottish - Dalgleish, Johnston, Stanton, Buchan, Miller, Strachan etc. Then we started importing the quality players - Laudrup, Gascoigne, Larsson, Moravcic etc. Most of the non old firm teams had some great players. Players that you'd look forward to seeing.

And where are we now? We're left with teams filled with average players who come and go after one or two seasons. I don't believe that there aren't great Scottish players out there, but I don't think the clubs know where to find them or how to progress them. Maybe the recent upturn in the national team will help turn things around. But if the money isn't there to pay for the superstars then the clubs need to unearth their own superstars.

But how many players in Scotland are you excited to watch? Who is worth paying +£30 to watch? Maybe that is what Adams was saying?

Baader
18-12-2023, 10:03 AM
I've been watching Hibs for over 50 years. Until recently there were great players in Scottish football - when I was young they were Scottish - Dalgleish, Johnston, Stanton, Buchan, Miller, Strachan etc. Then we started importing the quality players - Laudrup, Gascoigne, Larsson, Moravcic etc. Most of the non old firm teams had some great players. Players that you'd look forward to seeing.

And where are we now? We're left with teams filled with average players who come and go after one or two seasons. I don't believe that there aren't great Scottish players out there, but I don't think the clubs know where to find them or how to progress them. Maybe the recent upturn in the national team will help turn things around. But if the money isn't there to pay for the superstars then the clubs need to unearth their own superstars.

But how many players in Scotland are you excited to watch? Who is worth paying +£30 to watch? Maybe that is what Adams was saying?

Then he should have just said that.

Instead he just offered up some nonsense about how the league and club he just left is 100 times better than the league and club he's just joined. They aren't.

It's also pretty disrespectful to their opponents as Dundee won the game and despite Adams rant, he maintained his team were the better side :rolleyes:. Imagine if Heckingbottom or Johnson came up from the English Leagues and spouted this after a few weeks? The knives would be out. Can't imagine Ross Co will be very impressed with that., sounds like he thinks he's above this level...

Trinity Hibee
18-12-2023, 10:52 AM
Then he should have just said that.

Instead he just offered up some nonsense about how the league and club he just left is 100 times better than the league and club he's just joined. They aren't.

It's also pretty disrespectful to their opponents as Dundee won the game and despite Adams rant, he maintained his team were the better side :rolleyes:. Imagine if Heckingbottom or Johnson came up from the English Leagues and spouted this after a few weeks? The knives would be out. Can't imagine Ross Co will be very impressed with that., sounds like he thinks he's above this level...

Not sure what gives him this feeling of superior standing. He has played for and managed smallish clubs his whole career.

Since452
18-12-2023, 11:16 AM
Morecambe would be relegated if they were in our league

norhfc
18-12-2023, 11:17 AM
Hope he watched the Liverpool v Man U game yesterday. Utter crap from start to finish, should have gone to the cinema.

Carheenlea
18-12-2023, 11:52 AM
I find all football now completely boring. Not got any real interest in watching anything outwith Hibs.

Maybe engage too much emotion into following Hibs to an extent where if there is no skin in the game, then it’s basically unwatchable.

NORTHERNHIBBY
18-12-2023, 12:32 PM
These are comments from someone on the way out rather than on the way in. Let's hope that our players see it as the insult that it is and the Ross County players down tools .

worcesterhibby
18-12-2023, 01:03 PM
I want to see more honesty.

He said Morcambe were 100 times better than Ross County...and you want honesty. Trust me Morcambe are just as bad if not worse than Ross County.

Carheenlea
18-12-2023, 05:17 PM
I've been watching Hibs for over 50 years. Until recently there were great players in Scottish football - when I was young they were Scottish - Dalgleish, Johnston, Stanton, Buchan, Miller, Strachan etc. Then we started importing the quality players - Laudrup, Gascoigne, Larsson, Moravcic etc. Most of the non old firm teams had some great players. Players that you'd look forward to seeing.

And where are we now? We're left with teams filled with average players who come and go after one or two seasons. I don't believe that there aren't great Scottish players out there, but I don't think the clubs know where to find them or how to progress them. Maybe the recent upturn in the national team will help turn things around. But if the money isn't there to pay for the superstars then the clubs need to unearth their own superstars.

But how many players in Scotland are you excited to watch? Who is worth paying +£30 to watch? Maybe that is what Adams was saying?

Derek Adams in his playing days would fit into that average player category. Maybe when things started to go downhill.

Bobby's Cinema
19-12-2023, 07:54 AM
Was it honesty though?

It smacked of bitterness to me, his team had lost and he hadn’t regained his composure before starting his rant. It was his “chimp” talking.

What exactly does he expect?

It was borderline “been places, done hings” even if there were a few valid points in there.

He probably regrets it this morning as it will have done him no favours.
I just searched for that clip after reading this - nothing. Has that been removed? :greengrin

Bobby's Cinema
19-12-2023, 07:59 AM
What was he thinking with this.

What player or fan is going to think anything other than "Is that right, well **** off then". I can't see it any other way

Yorkshire HFC
19-12-2023, 08:40 AM
These are comments from someone on the way out rather than on the way in. Let's hope that our players see it as the insult that it is and the Ross County players down tools .

It's almost like he wants to shake things up and make the game better. Ofcourse he won't last.

blackpoolhibs
19-12-2023, 09:48 AM
Morcambe are pish, Ross County would beat them more often than not.


Perhaps not with Adams as their manager, but in normal circumstances they would.

Hibernian Verse
19-12-2023, 10:07 AM
True. However, not sure how motivated Feyenoord and Frankfurt were given they had already made progress. Credit to Rangers though.

It's a very Scottish thing to downplay everything good we do.

Hibernia&Alba
19-12-2023, 10:22 AM
Strange comments from a manager. He might think it will motivate the players to improve, but there must be a danger that such words could badly backfire. His remarks are the kind of thing that might be said behind closed doors, but his players might feel demeaned when it’s said publicly. If he loses the dressing room and the players down tools on him, he will look a fool.

Northernhibee
19-12-2023, 11:05 AM
Moreso before VAR, but I love Scottish football. Big egos don’t typically work well here - see Joey Barton and Roy Keane - and although a bit industrial, the football is often entertaining. Old school grounds, good turnouts, brilliant rants like “strugglin strugglin strugglin”, this one, and the like.

When you look at Chelsea spending near a billion quid and still being pish or Saudi money infiltrating the top leagues, I’ll take Scottish fitba every day of the week.

Yorkshire HFC
19-12-2023, 12:41 PM
Moreso before VAR, but I love Scottish football. Big egos don’t typically work well here - see Joey Barton and Roy Keane - and although a bit industrial, the football is often entertaining. Old school grounds, good turnouts, brilliant rants like “strugglin strugglin strugglin”, this one, and the like.

When you look at Chelsea spending near a billion quid and still being pish or Saudi money infiltrating the top leagues, I’ll take Scottish fitba every day of the week.

I get that - and I'd much rather be a Hibs supporter than a Chelsea supporter. But I once went to an Arsenal v Sheffield United game - it was a rubbish game, but I was sitting quite near the pitch and it was great seeing Thierry Henry - he really was different class and it was worth sitting through a rubbish game just to see him. That's what you don't get from Scottish football at the moment. The last player I was that impressed with in Scotland was Leigh Griffiths. 30 years ago every team in the SPL had a Griffiths, now noone does. We need someone to stir things up - nothing will change otherwise. Or maybe I'm just remembering things in the past being better than they really were.

Hibiza
19-12-2023, 01:57 PM
Adams was a "daddy's boy " selection ( from memory ) hasn't done anything as a player or a manager.

HoboHarry
19-12-2023, 02:56 PM
Adams was a "daddy's boy " selection ( from memory ) hasn't done anything as a player or a manager.
He got Plymouth to a play off final and them promotion the following year and also got Morecambe promoted. Won the Scottish manager of the Year in 2011/12 so it just isn't true to say he's done nothing. Not everyone can be Klopp or Pep.

Radge70
19-12-2023, 03:22 PM
I just searched for that clip after reading this - nothing. Has that been removed? :greengrin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67667758

JimBHibees
19-12-2023, 04:28 PM
He got Plymouth to a play off final and them promotion the following year and also got Morecambe promoted. Won the Scottish manager of the Year in 2011/12 so it just isn't true to say he's done nothing. Not everyone can be Klopp or Pep.

Think a half decent player also. Regular at Motherwell for a fair few years.

jacomo
19-12-2023, 05:37 PM
Moreso before VAR, but I love Scottish football. Big egos don’t typically work well here - see Joey Barton and Roy Keane - and although a bit industrial, the football is often entertaining. Old school grounds, good turnouts, brilliant rants like “strugglin strugglin strugglin”, this one, and the like.

When you look at Chelsea spending near a billion quid and still being pish or Saudi money infiltrating the top leagues, I’ll take Scottish fitba every day of the week.


I think the Derek Adams interview is a brilliant rant to add to the collection.

Unlike Billy Brown, he seemed calm and furious all at the same time.

Since452
19-12-2023, 05:45 PM
I hope he has another rant on Saturday around 5pm.

Since90+2
19-12-2023, 05:48 PM
What a weird thing to say. I'd also hazard a guess it's not even correct, if Ross County played Morecambe 20 times I'd not be surprised if it was a fairly even split of wins.

WeeRussell
19-12-2023, 05:59 PM
He got Plymouth to a play off final and them promotion the following year and also got Morecambe promoted. Won the Scottish manager of the Year in 2011/12 so it just isn't true to say he's done nothing. Not everyone can be Klopp or Pep.

Very true. He’s still acting like a weirdo fud though 😁

It’s added a bit more spice to our game for me. Don’t usually have any strong feeling one way or another about Ross County, other than it being a tough trip to take 3 points from. Looking forward to it a bit more now, as (immature as it might make me) I’ll find it slightly amusing if he struggles to buy another win in this awful standard he’s found himself at.

Keith_M
19-12-2023, 06:30 PM
I think what he said is bollocks anyway. Morecambe are '100 times better' than the standard in Scotland? They have Cammy Smith up front who managed 4 goals in 89 games for Aberdeen in the Scottish Premiership and more recently 1 in 45 for Partick Thistle in the Championship.

The likes of us, Hearts and Aberdeen have all held our own against decent sides in Europe this season. If we can beat Luzern, Hearts can beat Rosenberg and Aberdeen can beat Eintracht Frankfurt then we'd wipe the floor with Morecambe, Gillingham and Accrington Stanley.


Also true.