Manager/Tactics

[Ozyhibby]

I think folk see different things. You look at our squad and see it as one that is quality and would walk into most teams in the league outside of the Old Firm, Hearts & Aberdeen. I see the squad as one that is in the process of trying to get its 4th manager sacked in less than 3 seasons.

I think that there are good players in our squad but the midfield is so weak that every other area suffers because of it.


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[The Modfather]

Whether the squad is good or bad, you’re saying you see a clear plan. You’re very much in the minority, therefore far from clear, or everyone would get it.

You’re arguing semantics IMO. I don’t believe you don’t see any difference to how Montgomery wants to set up a team compared to say Johnson.

Whether the way Montgomery is choosing to set us up (some might also call it a plan) is successful or not is a fair debate, but talk of not seeing a plan is being churlish. We play the same way since he came in and it’s very different to previous managers, for good or bad.

Do you still insist we have a good squad and one that would walk into the rest of the non Old Firm, Hearts and Aberdeen teams?

[Since452]

I can’t believe folk think it’s a good squad. Look at the players available today. Look at the bench most weeks.

Montgomery is very lucky he has the squad he has. Players like Boyle and Youan will occasionally pull him out of holes like today. God forbid he had a poor squad! Like LJ in the three league games at the start of the season, I don't think he's getting the best out of them.

[B.H.F.C]

The benefit in rehabilitating Jair is more than cancelled out by the way he is wasting Vente.


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Vente is getting away with murder IMO. The way he’s been spoken about, you’d think he’d been running riot prior to Montgomery coming in. He’d had two shots on goal in his appearances prior to Montgomery coming in (scored both) but he’s never been terribly busy in and around the box.

I thought he was abysmal today, touch was crap. I don’t dispute he could be doing with some more chances (the type he had against Hearts) but he’s doing nowhere near enough.

The above isn’t really intended as a defence of Montgomery and how he has us playing but Vente needs to be doing more regardless.

[Winston Ingram]

Yup, credit has to be given for the way he has improved Jair.

But I think more needs to be spoken about how some players (arguably our most important ones) have regressed.


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Some maybe, but it’s not as if he’s turned Amadeus Konte into Lionel Messi. All I see is that he’s just picked him and he’s played well pretty much instantly.

A blind man could see he was a player. **** knows what Johnson’s problem was with him.

[JammyDoidger]

Vente is getting away with murder IMO. The way he’s been spoken about, you’d think he’d been running riot prior to Montgomery coming in. He’d had two shots on goal in his appearances prior to Montgomery coming in (scored both) but he’s never been terribly busy in and around the box.

I thought he was abysmal today, touch was crap. I don’t dispute he could be doing with some more chances (the type he had against Hearts) but he’s doing nowhere near enough.

The above isn’t really intended as a defence of Montgomery and how he has us playing but Vente needs to be doing more regardless.

Bang on. We would be aswell playing with 10 atm. Offering us nothing.

[cubehindthegoal]

Some maybe, but it’s not as if he’s turned Amadeus Konte into Lionel Messi. All I see is that he’s just picked him and he’s played well pretty much instantly.

A blind man could see he was a player. **** knows what Johnson’s problem was with him.

“He’s just picked him” … lol

[The Modfather]

Montgomery is very lucky he has the squad he has. Players like Boyle and Youan will occasionally pull him out of holes like today. God forbid he had a poor squad! Like LJ in the three league games at the start of the season, I don't think he's getting the best out of them.

For all he is lucky to have the likes of Boyle and Youan. He’s also unlucky to have to cobble a team together from:

Midfield: Newell, Jeggo, Levitt, Campbell, JDH, Henderson, Kenneh & Delfierre

Defence: Stevenson, Obita, Hanlon, Fish, Rocky, Cadden, Miller & Harbottle

[Hibs4185]

Personally I think the squad is decent.

Fish and Rocky seem to be forming a decent partnership.

I like obita.

Upfront is obviously a strong point if utilised properly. It seems a bit unbalanced at the moment though.

We just need 2-3 midfielders and a couple here and there.

If vente can be given a good supply, I think he’d come good. He needs a Scott Allan type feeding balls into feet.

[Winston Ingram]

You’re arguing semantics IMO. I don’t believe you don’t see any difference to how Montgomery wants to set up a team compared to say Johnson.

Whether the way Montgomery is choosing to set us up (some might also call it a plan) is successful or not is a fair debate, but talk of not seeing a plan is being churlish. We play the same way since he came in and it’s very different to previous managers, for good or bad.

Do you still insist we have a good squad and one that would walk into the rest of the non Old Firm, Hearts and Aberdeen teams?

I do see a very big difference. We created chances under Johnson and couldn’t defend. We still can’t defend but now create even less.

If you see a plan then please tell us what it is?

I absolutely believe we do. Hearts and Aberdeen are pish. Vente, Youan, Boyle, Newall, Jair, Newall, Obita, Miller and Fish certainly would.

I think Levitt would as well in a 3.

[B.H.F.C]

Montgomery is very lucky he has the squad he has. Players like Boyle and Youan will occasionally pull him out of holes like today. God forbid he had a poor squad! Like LJ in the three league games at the start of the season, I don't think he's getting the best out of them.

It’s not a good squad. There are some good players in it, but it’s not a good squad. He’s had to play a 16 year old at right back numerous times, who looks nowhere near it. We have no creativity in the middle of the park and had to bring on a 17 year old there (who did well) today. We started with a striker who we’ve been trying to offload for the last year and a half. We had a centre half who is well past his best playing today that can’t get a game in front of bloody Rocky. We had to bring a 36 year old on at right back today who, after 20 years as a professional, still can’t kick the ball with his right foot.

[JammyDoidger]

Personally I think the squad is decent.

Fish and Rocky seem to be forming a decent partnership.

I like obita.

Upfront is obviously a strong point if utilised properly. It seems a bit unbalanced at the moment though.

We just need 2-3 midfielders and a couple here and there.

If vente can be given a good supply, I think he’d come good. He needs a Scott Allan type feeding balls into feet.

Upfront is a strong point? You're kidding eh? We are brutal upfront.

[Real Emerald]

I think that there are good players in our squad but the midfield is so weak that every other area suffers because of it.


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Correct, we need someone in there driving the team forward and making things happen.

[Smartie]

For all he is lucky to have the likes of Boyle and Youan. He’s also unlucky to have to cobble a team together from:

Midfield: Newell, Jeggo, Levitt, Campbell, JDH, Henderson, Kenneh & Delfierre

Defence: Stevenson, Obita, Hanlon, Fish, Rocky, Cadden, Miller & Harbottle

I reckon the likes of Derek McInnes could cobble a decent unit out if that lot. Not a great one as I don’t think it’s a great selection to choose from, but a respectable one that could then be built on with decent recruitment.

Instead, it feels like we’re relying on half a dozen transfers to turn around our fortunes. Tbh there’s little to justify him deserving that sort of backing based on what he’s done for us so far.

[Heisenberg]

For all the moaning about Monty ruining Youan from a quick check I think he’s actually got more goal contributions now than he did at the same time last year.

Six goals and seven assists for all of last season. Five goals and three assists so far this season.

[cubehindthegoal]

I reckon the likes of Derek McInnes could cobble a decent unit out if that lot. Not a great one as I don’t think it’s a great selection to choose from, but a respectable one that could then be built on with decent recruitment.

Instead, it feels like we’re relying on half a dozen transfers to turn around our fortunes. Tbh there’s little to justify him deserving that sort of backing based on what he’s done for us so far.


He didn’t do so well at aberdeen with much more than that.

[chrisski33]

I think we keep blaming the managers too often. There are players who have been here long enough and aren't good enough and its like groundhog day. Vente looks a disappointment maybe as played out of position lately and sods law will be hes punted and succeeds elsewhere.
Will ve interesting to see if Monty brings in new players and if he has identified and picked them rather than the recruitment team.

[Winston Ingram]

For all the moaning about Monty ruining Youan from a quick check I think he’s actually got more goal contributions now than he did at the same time last year.

Six goals and seven assists for all of last season. Five goals and three assists so far this season.

Same time last year Youan was hopeless. Folk on here were talking about cancelling his loan. Then he was switched to left wing.

[Trinity Hibee]

Hibernian manager Nick Montgomery: "I thought we showed big character. We've got three 16/17 year-olds on the pitch and Harry McKirdy who has come back from a life-threatening situation [heart surgery].

"I thought first 30 minutes we were superb and could have gone in a couple of goals to the good at half-time. The stats tell you - 70% possession, 500 passes to 250. But ultimately it's moments in the game.

"I've said to the lads at the end, we can play as well as that but we've conceded from a throw-in, a poor goal to concede from. And it's a free kick where possibly the boy's offside as it's played back in."

[The Modfather]

I reckon the likes of Derek McInnes could cobble a decent unit out if that lot. Not a great one as I don’t think it’s a great selection to choose from, but a respectable one that could then be built on with decent recruitment.

Instead, it feels like we’re relying on half a dozen transfers to turn around our fortunes. Tbh there’s little to justify him deserving that sort of backing based on what he’s done for us so far.

It’s difficult to point to the league table given everyone has games in hand on each other, including us on teams above. However, I don’t think even McInnes would get much more out of those options, certainly in terms of league positions than where we are now, 6th. Maybe a place higher or lower but generally in or around 6th IMO.

[Torto7]

He reminds me of Maloney. Way too slow and very predictable. If he perseveres with this style then he'll need to make signings as too many players aren't comfortable covering the spaces playing what's really a 4-2-4. We'd require a more mobile CM for a start.

[Since452]

He reminds me of Maloney. Way too slow and very predictable. If he perseveres with this style then he'll need to make signings as too many players aren't comfortable covering the spaces playing what's really a 4-2-4. We'd require a more mobile CM for a start.

We're going to be left with an over inflated, expensive squad with unhappy players sitting about twiddling their thumbs if we let Montgomery sign players to suit his system. Said on another thread but the blame lies with Kensell for putting us in this rediculous position. Should have found a manager to suit the players when 3rd place is absolutely gigantic this season. Not the other way round which could take years, if ever to happen. I don't think we needed to reinvent the wheel after Johnson.

[Ozyhibby]

He didn’t do so well at aberdeen with much more than that.

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[Heisenberg]

Same time last year Youan was hopeless. Folk on here were talking about cancelling his loan. Then he was switched to left wing.

Yet this season he’s nearly matched his goal tally for the entirety of last season already despite being “ruined” by the manager. I’d say a bit more needs asked of some of these players instead of absolving them of all blame. Vente was utterly ***** today no matter how you want to dress it up as the managers fault.

[NC1875]

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Was thinking the same.

[chrisski33]

Yet this season he’s nearly matched his goal tally for the entirety of last season already despite being “ruined” by the manager. I’d say a bit more needs asked of some of these players instead of absolving them of all blame. Vente was utterly ***** today no matter how you want to dress it up as the managers fault.
Seems some of the players have been absolved of blame for a while. Shame cant sack players for poor results.

[Winston Ingram]

He reminds me of Maloney. Way too slow and very predictable. If he perseveres with this style then he'll need to make signings as too many players aren't comfortable covering the spaces playing what's really a 4-2-4. We'd require a more mobile CM for a start.

Maloney had 6 wins in 19 when he was sacked. Monty now has 6 wins in 19.

[swin82]

He needs to bin 442 simple. He has absolutely ruined vente, levitt aint far behind him!! stevenson on at rb was a shocking decision, Bring harbottle on and go to a back 3 for god sake! Constantly playing the same set up and tactics will make us tumble down the league like a lead ballon coz we are to easy to figure out!

[B.H.F.C]

We're going to be left with an over inflated, expensive squad with unhappy players sitting about twiddling their thumbs if we let Montgomery sign players to suit his system. Said on another thread but the blame lies with Kensell for putting us in this rediculous position. Should have found a manager to suit the players when 3rd place is absolutely gigantic this season. Not the other way round which could take years, if ever to happen. I don't think we needed to reinvent the wheel after Johnson.

You keep mentioning Kensell but McDermott was the one that led on the recruitment of Montgomery.

[Jones28]

So what about the first 30 minutes?

Why did we put in what was by all accounts a very good first 30, only for it to fall apart and we look dreadful for the second half?

[Chipper1875]

You keep mentioning Kensell but McDermott was the one that led on the recruitment of Montgomery.

McDermeott didn’t lead on the recruitment . Ben and Ian Gordon . I don’t think McDermott went to Dubai to meet Montgomery . Yes he had chats as did other people did

[Northernhibee]

So what about the first 30 minutes?

Why did we put in what was by all accounts a very good first 30, only for it to fall apart and we look dreadful for the second half?

We’ve got a paper thin squad and fatigue was setting in IMO. Molotnikov proved to be a real live wire and I think we need more options who are first team ready to allow some rotation.

[B.H.F.C]

Maloney had 6 wins in 19 when he was sacked. Monty now has 6 wins in 19.

Maloney took 15 points from his 15 league games. 1 point per game.

Montgomery has 22 points from 16. 1.37 points per game.

So he’s not quite in Maloney territory. And he’s only 3 points worse off than Jack Ross (our last manager to have a degree of success) was after his first 16 games.

There’s enough to sensibly criticise without chucking unjust comparisons (results wise) in there as well.

[J-C]

We're going to be left with an over inflated, expensive squad with unhappy players sitting about twiddling their thumbs if we let Montgomery sign players to suit his system. Said on another thread but the blame lies with Kensell for putting us in this rediculous position. Should have found a manager to suit the players when 3rd place is absolutely gigantic this season. Not the other way round which could take years, if ever to happen. I don't think we needed to reinvent the wheel after Johnson.


We’ve got a paper thin squad and fatigue was setting in IMO. Molotnikov proved to be a real live wire and I think we need more options who are first team ready to allow some rotation.

OK, now I'm confused, which is it?

[VoltaireHibs]

So what about the first 30 minutes?

Why did we put in what was by all accounts a very good first 30, only for it to fall apart and we look dreadful for the second half?

Because this team are mentally weak. Lennon wasn't far off it with his boyband stuff. It's a culture within the club, but players like Hanlon and Stevenson, good servants that they both have been, cannot be the senior pros setting the standards, which is what every team needs, because for all the good times, they've been involved in too may horror shows and I think, mentally, that shows.

[Northernhibee]

OK, now I'm confused, which is it?

Look at the bench today.

We have lots of players but time to time struggle to name more than one or two on the bench who are first team quality.

[Hibees1973]

It is early days but think most of us on here would have been worried if he said at his first interview that.

'I always play 4-4-2, no matter what'

'My team will always play out from the back, no matter what players we have'

This is what has happened so far.

[Davy Mac]

He needs to bin 442 simple. He has absolutely ruined vente, levitt aint far behind him!! stevenson on at rb was a shocking decision, Bring harbottle on and go to a back 3 for god sake! Constantly playing the same set up and tactics will make us tumble down the league like a lead ballon coz we are to easy to figure out!

Excellent post, could'nt agree more.

[B.H.F.C]

McDermeott didn’t lead on the recruitment . Ben and Ian Gordon . I don’t think McDermott went to Dubai to meet Montgomery . Yes he had chats as did other people did

They spoke at the time that McDermott would lead on it and it was him that provided all the quotes as part of the announcement.

[J-C]

Look at the bench today.

We have lots of players but time to time struggle to name more than one or two on the bench who are first team quality.

I agree with you but Since452 thinks it's over inflated.

[B.H.F.C]

We’ve got a paper thin squad and fatigue was setting in IMO. Molotnikov proved to be a real live wire and I think we need more options who are first team ready to allow some rotation.

Newell was burst in the second half. We had a corner at 1-1 and he took about an hour to wander over and take it. He could hardly move.

[Northernhibee]

I agree with you but Since452 thinks it's over inflated.

Well, yes, it’s both.

We’ve signed so many players in the last couple of years and most of those signings have been awful.

It’s outstanding how we can have signed so many people and probably don’t have eleven players who are good enough.

The manager isn’t the main problem - those running the club don’t have a clue about football. It’s like going to a restaurant with nice wallpaper, plenty of tables, nice music playing, but the food - the only thing as someone attending that restaurant - is rotten. You don’t say it’s a good restaurant, you just don’t go back.

[sean]

We’ve got a paper thin squad and fatigue was setting in IMO. Molotnikov proved to be a real live wire and I think we need more options who are first team ready to allow some rotation.

we dont have a paper thin squad compared to 8/10th's of the league. We've players that would play for most teams in the league. the smaller clubs run with tiny numbers and benches packed with kids.

[K-Zazu]

Here’s my 2 cents worth.. He could have played Vente up front in a 3 with Jair and youan either side ( Or play Doidge ). Then by some miracle you have an extra player to play alongside Newell and Levitt ala Jeggo/ Molotnikov. It’s not really rocket science is it?

Oh and you also have the option of having Vente or Doidge on the bench.

[The Modfather]

we dont have a paper thin squad compared to 8/10th's of the league. We've players that would play for most teams in the league. the smaller clubs run with tiny numbers and benches packed with kids.

We should be on the phone to these clubs asking if they’d like to take those players off our hands. Win win for everyone.

[Northernhibee]

we dont have a paper thin squad compared to 8/10th's of the league. We've players that would play for most teams in the league. the smaller clubs run with tiny numbers and benches packed with kids.

You have seen our team sheet today, right?

[sean]

You have seen our team sheet today, right?


yes I seen our starting eleven with a kid in it who was replaced by one our most experienced ever.

we had a full 11 bodies last 30 minutes some with caps for there country with more than enough experience and quality to beat motherwell at home.

Being down to the bare bones doesn't cut it for me today. We missed Boyle who would be a guaranteed starter under monty that's it, yes the bench is young but so is 8/10ths of the teams you play against.

[One Day Soon]

McDermeott didn’t lead on the recruitment . Ben and Ian Gordon . I don’t think McDermott went to Dubai to meet Montgomery . Yes he had chats as did other people did

Surely there’s nothing in the recent history of Hibs to suggest that Kensell and Gordon should have zero involvement in any recruitment in the football side? I can’t imagine anyone could reasonably criticise our large and mediocre squad or our serial signing of dud managers. I mean, it’s not as though Motherwell were a side in crisis absolutely desperate for a win and having to play us away from home or anything.

[Northernhibee]

yes I seen our starting eleven with a kid in it who was replaced by one our most experienced ever.

we had a full 11 bodies last 30 minutes some with caps for there country with more than enough experience and quality to beat motherwell at home.

Being down to the bare bones doesn't cut it for me today. We missed Boyle who would be a guaranteed starter under monty that's it, yes the bench is young but so is 8/10ths of the teams you play against.

Lewis was at right back as we had no other options. We brought on kids as we had next to nothing else.

Questions need to be asked of Ben Kensell as to why the recruitment at the club has been so poor on his watch since he joined the club.

[sean]

Lewis was at right back as we had no other options. We brought on kids as we had next to nothing else.

Questions need to be asked of Ben Kensell as to why the recruitment at the club has been so poor on his watch since he joined the club.

im sure he's good enough to cope at right back considering motherwell had 1 man up top against 4 defenders for most of the second half. I take your point that questions need to be asked of recruitment etc but im not giving him excuses of not having enough quality to beat motherwell who previously one in September prior to last week.

That starting 11 is enough to beat motherwell.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You’re arguing semantics IMO. I don’t believe you don’t see any difference to how Montgomery wants to set up a team compared to say Johnson.

Whether the way Montgomery is choosing to set us up (some might also call it a plan) is successful or not is a fair debate, but talk of not seeing a plan is being churlish. We play the same way since he came in and it’s very different to previous managers, for good or bad.

Do you still insist we have a good squad and one that would walk into the rest of the non Old Firm, Hearts and Aberdeen teams?

This is where I find it hard to agree with you and others. You say we play the same way since he came in, other folk who are right behind him are saying he’s learning and he’s changed the way we play since he’s came in. I think the fact that some folk think he’s stuck with what he wants to do and that’s a positive, some think he’s learning and he’s adapted and some think he’s stuck with what he wants to do and it’s a negative tells its own story. Over the piece, it’s far from clear what the hell NM is trying to do imo.

[B.H.F.C]

im sure he's good enough to cope at right back considering motherwell had 1 man up top against 4 defenders for most of the second half. I take your point that questions need to be asked of recruitment etc but im not giving him excuses of not having enough quality to beat motherwell who previously one in September prior to last week.

That starting 11 is enough to beat motherwell.

Twice he was in brilliant positions in their box where he just had to put the ball across their box and he didn’t, because he still can’t kick the ball with his right foot. Big chances where we actually worked the ball in to good areas and that just totally let us down.

[Smartie]

im sure he's good enough to cope at right back considering motherwell had 1 man up top against 4 defenders for most of the second half. I take your point that questions need to be asked of recruitment etc but im not giving him excuses of not having enough quality to beat motherwell who previously one in September prior to last week.

That starting 11 is enough to beat motherwell.

I thought the starting XI was pish and would be doing very well to avoid relegation if it played every week for a season.

Main problem is the middle of midfield, which is totally substandard but it also manages to achieve the fatal combination of leaking swift goals and rarely threatening the opposition.

Marshall is doing fine at the moment but it’s hard to look at that team and make a case that it doesn’t need improved in both fullback positions, at centre half, in the centre of midfield, both wide positions (maybe not Jair tbf) and up front.

[Ozyhibby]

im sure he's good enough to cope at right back considering motherwell had 1 man up top against 4 defenders for most of the second half. I take your point that questions need to be asked of recruitment etc but im not giving him excuses of not having enough quality to beat motherwell who previously one in September prior to last week.

That starting 11 is enough to beat motherwell.

And St. Johnstone, and Hearts. And yet here we are with one point from 9 in three home games. There is massive failure happening somewhere.


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[Since452]

Here’s my 2 cents worth.. He could have played Vente up front in a 3 with Jair and youan either side ( Or play Doidge ). Then by some miracle you have an extra player to play alongside Newell and Levitt ala Jeggo/ Molotnikov. It’s not really rocket science is it?

Oh and you also have the option of having Vente or Doidge on the bench.

Madness....

[snedzuk]

I agree with you but Since452 thinks it's over inflated.

Since452 said 'We're going to be left with an over inflated, expensive squad with unhappy players sitting about twiddling their thumbs if we let Montgomery sign players to suit his system.'

I'd agree with that.

[B.H.F.C]

Since452 said 'We're going to be left with an over inflated, expensive squad with unhappy players sitting about twiddling their thumbs if we let Montgomery sign players to suit his system.'

I'd agree with that.

What’s the alternative? No let him sign anybody?

[Paulie Walnuts]

What’s the alternative? No let him sign anybody?

We absolutely have to let him sign players. I’m concerned that they’ll be signed to fit this nonsense system though and they’ll end up yet more massive wastes of cash when he departs the club. Let’s face it, the next man won’t be coming in and playing a 4-4-2.

[Winston Ingram]

Lewis was at right back as we had no other options. We brought on kids as we had next to nothing else.

Questions need to be asked of Ben Kensell as to why the recruitment at the club has been so poor on his watch since he joined the club.

Harbottle can play right back.

[JohnM1875]

We absolutely have to let him sign players. I’m concerned that they’ll be signed to fit this nonsense system though and they’ll end up yet more massive wastes of cash when he departs the club. Let’s face it, the next man won’t be coming in and playing a 4-4-2.

So the players he signs will only ever be able to perform in a 442? Come on, that’s ridiculous.

[Winston Ingram]

What’s the alternative? No let him sign anybody?

Confirm with him if his managerial ability is limited to 1 formation in all circumstances.

If he says yes, sack him.

[neil7908]

Formation made no difference today. What would 433 have changed - Jeggo for Doidge? Is that going to make us a better team going forward?

We lost two cheap and easy to goals again. Just like last game.

I also don't think the manager is asking the team to play the ball slowly. We simply don't have the players required to be a top SPL side.

Our bench was one of the weakest I've ever seen. Kids, 35 year old Lewis and then a guy just back from heart surgery.

LJ played 433 and we were still poor.

We simply need better players who can move the ball quicker, hold it up and focus defensively for 90 mins.

[greenlex]

And St. Johnstone, and Hearts. And yet here we are with one point from 9 in three home games. There is massive failure happening somewhere.


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2 home and one away. :wink:
It’s not a failure. Not what we’re looking for but nit a failure. we’ve only had 4 home games the whole of November and December and today a possible 15 points. We got 7.
we had 5 away games and a possible 15 points. We got 7. We also got beat in a semi final that we should have won.
It’s a far better place than Johnston left us. Bring on the window and the second half of the season.
I really can’t phantom calls for NM departure

[B.H.F.C]

Confirm with him if his managerial ability is limited to 1 formation in all circumstances.

If he says yes, sack him.

Which clearly isn’t going to happen, so probably better that we back him eh.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So the players he signs will only ever be able to perform in a 442? Come on, that’s ridiculous.

Just as an example, I’d be concerned that he’ll start to shape our squad to have no wingers and more guys in the style of say, a Euan Henderson. If that’s the case then that would massively hamstring the next man who will almost certainly want wingers.

I have little confidence that between our recruitment team and NM that we’re going to see an upturn after January tbh.

[greenlex]

Harbottle can play right back.
Wasn’t he slaughtered on here for that performance?

[B.H.F.C]

2 home and one away. :wink:
It’s not a failure. Not what we’re looking for but nit a failure. we’ve only had 4 home games the whole of November and December and today a possible 15 points. We got 7.
we had 5 away games and a possible 15 points. We got 7. We also got beat in a semi final that we should have won.
It’s a far better place than Johnston left us. Bring on the window and the second half of the season.
I really can’t phantom calls for NM departure

Some folk just have their mind made up and that’s that.

I don’t for a minute like everything I see but the way it reads sometimes, you’d think we’ve hardly picked up a point. He’s doing better than we were after Johnson’s first 16 league games last year (although Johnson had the benefit of a full pre season and transfer window). He’s doing better than Maloney did in the 15 league game he managed (thank Christ). And he’s only 3 points worse off than Jack Ross was after his first 16 league games. So it’s not as if it’s been some kind of disastrous start.

I think we should be better off than we are. Some of it down to him, some of it down to the players. Ross County at home sticks out as being down to him but we’ve given away 3 horrific goals in the last two games which had absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the team or anything like that.

We need players but I would say that the initial names being linked don’t exactly inspire me.

[B.H.F.C]

Wasn’t he slaughtered on here for that performance?

He didn’t actually get slaughtered. He got subbed and went off in front of the east and had to walk right round the pitch back to the dugout. He got a decent reception because pretty much everyone there recognised he was never a right back and has been hung out to dry by Johnson.

[Smartie]

Wasn’t he slaughtered on here for that performance?

He was terrible that day and 100% not the answer.

Tbh, I’d be happy to cut Monty a fair bit of slack for the RB shenanigans today. By the time you’re onto your 5th choice RB or so, I think that you’re scuppered whatever you do, whether it’s a kid, Lewis, Harbottle or whoever.

[J-C]

Since452 said 'We're going to be left with an over inflated, expensive squad with unhappy players sitting about twiddling their thumbs if we let Montgomery sign players to suit his system.'

I'd agree with that.

And you don't think a few will be leaving to accommodate any new comers.

[JammyDoidger]

He was terrible that day and 100% not the answer.

Tbh, I’d be happy to cut Monty a fair bit of slack for the RB shenanigans today. By the time you’re onto your 5th choice RB or so, I think that you’re scuppered whatever you do, whether it’s a kid, Lewis, Harbottle or whoever.

He could and should have brought back Megwa.

[neil7908]

Some folk just have their mind made up and that’s that.

I don’t for a minute like everything I see but the way it reads sometimes, you’d think we’ve hardly picked up a point. He’s doing better than we were after Johnson’s first 16 league games last year (although Johnson had the benefit of a full pre season and transfer window). He’s doing better than Maloney did in the 15 league game he managed (thank Christ). And he’s only 3 points worse off than Jack Ross was after his first 16 league games. So it’s not as if it’s been some kind of disastrous start.

I think we should be better off than we are. Some of it down to him, some of it down to the players. Ross County at home sticks out as being down to him but we’ve given away 3 horrific goals in the last two games which had absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the team or anything like that.

We need players but I would say that the initial names being linked don’t exactly inspire me.

Your absolutely spot on.

We are the top scorers in the league outwith the OF. Monty hasnt signed a single player or had any breaks with the players to work with them properly.

The bit in bold is especially spot on. The formation and tactics had nothing to do with the last 3 goals we've conceded. We scored two today. Keep a clean sheet and its an easy win. Rocky deals with the keepers kick out last week and we have a point, and Hearts have two less.

Hearts are ahead of us because they have one players who is outstanding and carrying them. We have a patchwork squad, built by about 5 managers. There simply isnt enough quality across the team - just look at the bench today. A bunch of kids, 35 year old Lewis and a guy back from heart surgery who hasnt played for 6 months.

[Heisenberg]

Some folk just have their mind made up and that’s that.

I don’t for a minute like everything I see but the way it reads sometimes, you’d think we’ve hardly picked up a point. He’s doing better than we were after Johnson’s first 16 league games last year (although Johnson had the benefit of a full pre season and transfer window). He’s doing better than Maloney did in the 15 league game he managed (thank Christ). And he’s only 3 points worse off than Jack Ross was after his first 16 league games. So it’s not as if it’s been some kind of disastrous start.

I think we should be better off than we are. Some of it down to him, some of it down to the players. Ross County at home sticks out as being down to him but we’ve given away 3 horrific goals in the last two games which had absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the team or anything like that.

We need players but I would say that the initial names being linked don’t exactly inspire me.

Seems a fair summary to me. It’s not be a disaster and we should 100% have more points than we do. The number of times the team have folded after conceding a goal is alarming though, absolutely no backbone about them at all.

[Winston Ingram]

Wasn’t he slaughtered on here for that performance?

He did but he wasn’t that bad. Certainly would be better than Whittaker in their right now.

[blackpoolhibs]

Newell was burst in the second half. We had a corner at 1-1 and he took about an hour to wander over and take it. He could hardly move.

Him and Levitt doing the work of three men EVERY week.

[B.H.F.C]

Your absolutely spot on.

We are the top scorers in the league outwith the OF. Monty hasnt signed a single player or had any breaks with the players to work with them properly.

The bit in bold is especially spot on. The formation and tactics had nothing to do with the last 3 goals we've conceded. We scored two today. Keep a clean sheet and its an easy win. Rocky deals with the keepers kick out last week and we have a point, and Hearts have two less.

Hearts are ahead of us because they have one players who is outstanding and carrying them. We have a patchwork squad, built by about 5 managers. There simply isnt enough quality across the team - just look at the bench today. A bunch of kids, 35 year old Lewis and a guy back from heart surgery who hasnt played for 6 months.

Agree. For all the talk of how we don’t attack and so on, being top scorers outside the big two and looking at the kind of goals we are regularly conceding tells me where the priority area for fixing is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Him and Levitt doing the work of three men EVERY week.

And Levitt is capable of the work of half a man.

[Unseen work]

Subbing Vente to me when losing is just mental, especially to bring in a 16 year old.

He might be tired, but the goal he’d score would likely be a tap in/positioning not running any length of distance at that stage.

Even Stevenson on at right back, surely get a right footer on there in Harbottle who also offers an attacking threat from set pieces

[B.H.F.C]

Seems a fair summary to me. It’s not be a disaster and we should 100% have more points than we do. The number of times the team have folded after conceding a goal is alarming though, absolutely no backbone about them at all.

Posted earlier that we’ve scored two goals 7 times but failed to win.

Killie and Ross County we were 2 up. St Mirren we led twice. There was a mixture of things in there causing it. Dodgy subs but the common them in all of them was crosses in to the box, both from corners and free kicks and open play. Again, we see it again today. Motherwell won three headers in a row in our box to score. That’s absolutely ridiculous and just a total inability to defend.

[CocoHibs91]

So what about the first 30 minutes?

Why did we put in what was by all accounts a very good first 30, only for it to fall apart and we look dreadful for the second half?

Agreed the first 30 mins we looked really good.

My view on why this didn't last is Motherwell changed their set up. They switched from a 3-4-2-1 with Slattery and Biereth quite narrow behind Bair. To more of a 5-4-1 with Bair moved wide out left to target Whittaker. They packed more bodies in behind the ball out of possession and it forced Newell and Levitt to go deeper which in turn makes Vente have to try drop in and he was completely off it.

Kettlewell was able to tweak their system mid-game when they were struggling. Our manager stuck rigidly to his 4-4-2 even to the extent we put Stevenson at rb where he was uncomfortable and against their tallest and most physical player.

[JammyDoidger]

Agreed the first 30 mins we looked really good.

My view on why this didn't last is Motherwell changed their set up. They switched from a 3-4-2-1 with Slattery and Biereth quite narrow behind Bair. To more of a 5-4-1 with Bair moved wide out left to target Whittaker. They packed more bodies in behind the ball out of possession and it forced Newell and Levitt to go deeper which in turn makes Vente have to try drop in and he was completely off it.

Kettlewell was able to tweak their system mid-game when they were struggling. Our manager stuck rigidly to his 4-4-2 even to the extent we put Stevenson at rb where he was uncomfortable and against their tallest and most physical player.

Exactly why I can't take to Monty, outfoxed by kettlewell all due to sheer arrogance.

[May21/05/216]

Lots of moon howlers out tonight

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Agreed the first 30 mins we looked really good.

My view on why this didn't last is Motherwell changed their set up. They switched from a 3-4-2-1 with Slattery and Biereth quite narrow behind Bair. To more of a 5-4-1 with Bair moved wide out left to target Whittaker. They packed more bodies in behind the ball out of possession and it forced Newell and Levitt to go deeper which in turn makes Vente have to try drop in and he was completely off it.

Kettlewell was able to tweak their system mid-game when they were struggling. Our manager stuck rigidly to his 4-4-2 even to the extent we put Stevenson at rb where he was uncomfortable and against their tallest and most physical player.

Think that’s a fair summery.

I said on the PM board that I thought we started brilliantly but Motherwell had us worked out fairly quickly and yet again we done nothing to change it. It’s becoming an alarming trend.

[Unseen work]

One point aswell which tbf isn’t on Montgomery.

But before we equalised we had a throw in next to our corner flag and stevenson went to a centre back position so Youan could take it?! Only for Youan to delay which gave Newell a chance to realise what was happening and tell Youan to get up the park so he could launch it.

[Since452]

I agree with you but Since452 thinks it's over inflated.

You didn't read the rest of my post obviously. It's not over inflated now but it will be if NM signs players to suit his preferred system. All our current players are under contract.

[TrinityHibby]

Exactly why I can't take to Monty, outfoxed by kettlewell all due to sheer arrogance.

Monty has achieved absolutely nothing in the game and is already showing signs he is out of his depth

[Hibee Mac]

It's now at the point of pure frustration every week for me. The football is absolutely laborious, toothless and devoid of any excitement or enthusiasm.

There was a point in the first half today that summed it all up perfectly for me. We had the ball at our own corner flag, Motherwell were putting on a pretty weak press and we passed some nice wee triangles around the pressing striker only for the ball to make its way back into our box. Multiple players were genuinely clapping each other on the pitch as if they'd achieved something. All we had done was pass the ball in triangles in our own half, I bet the Motherwell players were delighted if that's all we need before we start applauding each other.

Most of our football is played by the wrong players, too deep into our own half. It achieves nothing, it's feeling an awful lot like Maloney all over again.

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[neil7908]

Monty has achieved absolutely nothing in the game and is already showing signs he is out of his depth

I mean, he's won the A League. I bet folk are pissed off after the last two games but it's getting a bit much.

[truehibernian]

Monty has achieved absolutely nothing in the game and is already showing signs he is out of his depth

Promotion to the English Premiership, played at top level in England and at intentional levels as a player, won a league trophy in his first gig at management- achieved nowt right enough 😂

[007]

Wasn't post Match.

https://x.com/edinburghsport/status/1741772297763951005?s=20

The "journalist" has stitched him up. In the headline he's got Montgomery saying he's turned Hibs around but when you read the full article it doesn't say that at all.

from headline:
"I've turned Hibs around and resurrected careers"

from article:
"We have brought a new identity to the way we play, and I have resurrected players’ careers - like Jair Tavares, who was not even considered a first team player."

He does mention that we're on the right trajectory but doesn't say "I've turned Hibs around"

[Forza Fred]

Harbottle can play right back.

The only time LJ played him there he was guff.

In

[Forza Fred]

Yes he has. He's just finished saying he's turned us around and resurrected careers!

You should read past the headline.

The Evening News sub editor wrote the headline, and quite mischievously put it in quotation marks.…he did say he’d resurrected Jair’s career but nowhere does he say ‘I’ve turned Hibs around’.