McGinn

[Dashing Bob S]

Back-to-back MOM’s in wins v City and Arsenal. Playing his best football since May 2016

[ElginHibbie]

Wonder if we have a clause for a payment if they win the Premier League :greengrin

[Newry Hibs]

Presumably off to the saudi league in January for £300m.

[wookie70]

Presumably off to the saudi league in January for £300m. How good would that be. We could break the Scottish Transfer record and not be the selling club

[gbhibby]

Bossed Declan Rice today a £105m player.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Long may it continue. Always had faith he could mix it with the best in the Prem.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Bossed Declan Rice today a £105m player.

Waiting for the Hibs.net Arsenal fan who told us Rice was a far superior player

[neil7908]

Superstar

[neil7908]

Presumably off to the saudi league in January for £300m.

Nah, let him stay till the summer, win the EPL and then he'll go for £500m

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Bossed Declan Rice today a £105m player.

Said it before and I’ll say it again, McGinn and McTominay are both twice the footballer Rice is.


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[Johnny_Leith]

Bossed Declan Rice today a £105m player.

That might be the amount paid for Declan Rice, but he's never a £105m player. English tax.

[ancient hibee]

There will be one or two EPL sides thinking they could probably have got him for £40million or less last season.

[Hibees1973]

Someone will probably correct me.

But in the last 25 years I cannot think of a Scottish player who has moved down south who has made the same impact McGinn has.

Maybe I've got green tinted specs on and my statement is hyperbole.

[Hibby Bairn]

Someone will probably correct me.

But in the last 25 years I cannot think of a Scottish player who has moved down south who has made the same impact McGinn has.

Maybe I've got green tinted specs on and my statement is hyperbole.

Robertson? Won the CL.

[H18 SFR]

Someone will probably correct me.

But in the last 25 years I cannot think of a Scottish player who has moved down south who has made the same impact McGinn has.

Maybe I've got green tinted specs on and my statement is hyperbole.

Andy Robertson has won the league and other honours.

[H18 SFR]

Off the top of my head other players with honours would be Maloney and Caldwell.

Fletcher with 50+ goals in the EPL had a decent impact as well. Davie Weir also done well at Everton.

[Hibs4185]

Still couldn’t get in the Celtic team 🤣

[The Modfather]

Someone will probably correct me.

But in the last 25 years I cannot think of a Scottish player who has moved down south who has made the same impact McGinn has.

Maybe I've got green tinted specs on and my statement is hyperbole.

I’ll add Darren Fletcher to the Andy Robertson shouts, but he is a generational talent.

[Hibees1973]

Robertson? Won the CL.

Agreed, good shout.

Not many others though.

[Bridge hibs]

Agreed, good shout.

Not many others though.

Des Bremner didnt do too bad at Villa

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I know it was a lot longer than 25 years ago but still done not too bad, loved Bremner ar hibs

[gbhibby]

Andy Robertson has won the league and other honours.
Him and SJM both signed by Steve Bruce.

[gbhibby]

Still couldn’t get in the Celtic team 🤣
To quote Jim Bowen " See what you could have won"

[A Hi-Bee]

Des Bremner didnt do too bad at Villa

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I know it was a lot longer than 25 years ago but still done not too bad, loved Bremner ar hibs

Add Alex Cropley to that list as well.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Someone will probably correct me.

But in the last 25 years I cannot think of a Scottish player who has moved down south who has made the same impact McGinn has.

Maybe I've got green tinted specs on and my statement is hyperbole.

Gary McCallister. Fabulous footballer for many years down south

[Shrekko]

Previous debates on here have seen claims that he’s never a £30 million pound player and even Villa have several better midfielders.

One of the best managers in the world seems to rate him pretty highly and he’s regularly shining against huge teams - not just holding his own.

Wonder what sort of transfer fee he’d command if he was hypothetically up for sale this next transfer window?

[LewysGot2]

Someone will probably correct me.

But in the last 25 years I cannot think of a Scottish player who has moved down south who has made the same impact McGinn has.

Maybe I've got green tinted specs on and my statement is hyperbole.

Andy Robertson. Won everything domestically and the CL.

[McD]

Andy Robertson. Won everything domestically and the CL.

And the club World Cup, or whatever it’s called

[Hibs4185]

Previous debates on here have seen claims that he’s never a £30 million pound player and even Villa have several better midfielders.

One of the best managers in the world seems to rate him pretty highly and he’s regularly shining against huge teams - not just holding his own.

Wonder what sort of transfer fee he’d command if he was hypothetically up for sale this next transfer window?

I can’t see him leaving Villa but maybe a move to Saudi or America when he’s a bit older might see us make some money

[gbhibby]

https://i.ibb.co/BsPnpbh/IMG-3769.jpg
Superb

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[WeeRussell]

Previous debates on here have seen claims that he’s never a £30 million pound player and even Villa have several better midfielders.

One of the best managers in the world seems to rate him pretty highly and he’s regularly shining against huge teams - not just holding his own.

Wonder what sort of transfer fee he’d command if he was hypothetically up for sale this next transfer window?

Not sure if it was debates or mainly just one recognised (and largely ignored) attention seeker who was always keen to play any praise for him down?

I agree with everything you say though. And the answer would be A LOT 😁

An absolute hero and I hope he ends the season with something to show for it.

[gbhibby]

Add Alex Cropley to that list as well.
Neil Martin and Bobby Johnstone and Joe Baker could he added to the list

[Heedersnvolleys]

Just watching MOD and SJM, Christie, McTomminey, Gilmour all featuring well for their teams, can only be good for Scottish football

[Baader]

Super John is immense. A force of nature. Winner today and he bossed the midfield v City days earlier.

[Mcbizz1998]

If he was English he wouldn’t be at Villa, the man is top class!

[McD]

Just watching MOD and SJM, Christie, McTomminey, Gilmour all featuring well for their teams, can only be good for Scottish football



MotD pundits raving about McGinn


I wonder if he would even want to go elsewhere (sadly for Hibs coffers). He’s club captain, loved by the fans, playing at a very high standard himself, and challenging at the top of the table. He’s never struck me as a player who’s chasing money, but he has always seemed to be a guy who’s hugely respectful of his clubs past and present, I don’t think he’d push for a move

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I wonder if he would even want to go elsewhere (sadly for Hibs coffers). He’s club captain, loved by the fans, playing at a very high standard himself, and challenging at the top of the table. He’s never struck me as a player who’s chasing money, but he has always seemed to be a guy who’s hugely respectful of his clubs past and present, I don’t think he’d push for a move

Made pretty much the same point to my old man when we were watching the game last night.

[Stairway 2 7]

Previous debates on here have seen claims that he’s never a £30 million pound player and even Villa have several better midfielders.

One of the best managers in the world seems to rate him pretty highly and he’s regularly shining against huge teams - not just holding his own.

Wonder what sort of transfer fee he’d command if he was hypothetically up for sale this next transfer window?

£100 million I've no doubt. Villa are loaded though and he is adored so I can't see it.

[patlowe]

Previous debates on here have seen claims that he’s never a £30 million pound player and even Villa have several better midfielders.

One of the best managers in the world seems to rate him pretty highly and he’s regularly shining against huge teams - not just holding his own.

Wonder what sort of transfer fee he’d command if he was hypothetically up for sale this next transfer window?

It's incredible what Emery has done with SJM and his ability to always find a new level is such a testament to his character. But he did have a year or two at Villa where he was struggling and a lot of their fans didn't think he was good enough for the Premier League, let alone £30m. I think it's OK to say that is true while being absolutely chuffed at how good he has become (his fitness levels as well btw 😮) - some boy!

[greenlex]

It's incredible what Emery has done with SJM and his ability to always find a new level is such a testament to his character. But he did have a year or two at Villa where he was struggling and a lot of their fans didn't think he was good enough for the Premier League, let alone £30m. I think it's OK to say that is true while being absolutely chuffed at how good he has become (his fitness levels as well btw 😮) - some boy!
No danger the period extended into two years. A few months maybe during Gerrards tenure but that was it. He’s been great for Villa as we all knew he would be. I really enjoyed his time with us and we should be enjoying NM in the same manner. Destined for the top.

[Hibbyradge]

Previous debates on here have seen claims that he’s never a £30 million pound player and even Villa have several better midfielders.

One of the best managers in the world seems to rate him pretty highly and he’s regularly shining against huge teams - not just holding his own.

Wonder what sort of transfer fee he’d command if he was hypothetically up for sale this next transfer window?

He's not even a first pic!

[MagicSwirlingShip]

He's not even a first pic!

😂😂😂 that was it. A token captain

[Hibby Bairn]

It's incredible what Emery has done with SJM and his ability to always find a new level is such a testament to his character. But he did have a year or two at Villa where he was struggling and a lot of their fans didn't think he was good enough for the Premier League, let alone £30m. I think it's OK to say that is true while being absolutely chuffed at how good he has become (his fitness levels as well btw 😮) - some boy!

Imo Emery has only really recognised how McGinn plays for Scotland and copied it. Same as Ten Hag with McTominay. Previous managers had them both playing too deep and never really getting into the box.

Clarke should be on royalties from Villa and Utd.

[theonlywayisup]

MotD pundits raving about McGinn


I wonder if he would even want to go elsewhere (sadly for Hibs coffers). He’s club captain, loved by the fans, playing at a very high standard himself, and challenging at the top of the table. He’s never struck me as a player who’s chasing money, but he has always seemed to be a guy who’s hugely respectful of his clubs past and present, I don’t think he’d push for a move

I understand what you are saying, but in reply I'll just say two words - Jack Grealish.

When you watch McGinn play, he's good enough to play for any of the elite English teams. As he nears the end of his current contract, he's in a really strong position. Accept a higher weekly wage from Villa or move away to get bigger wages. The closer it gets to the end of the contract with no sign of McGinn re-signing, the greater the desire of Villa to sell a much valued asset.

[WhileTheChief..]

Has McGinn signed a new deal at Villa, and if he has, or does in future, does that mean no chance of a sell-on fee if he eventually moves on?

[theonlywayisup]

Has McGinn signed a new deal at Villa, and if he has, or does in future, does that mean no chance of a sell-on fee if he eventually moves on?

Signing new contracts has no impact on sell-on fee. It's a % of the profit that Villa would make on the sale of John McGinn. He could sign multiple new contracts, but has zero impact on sell-on fee.

[Since90+2]

I understand what you are saying, but in reply I'll just say two words - Jack Grealish.

When you watch McGinn play, he's good enough to play for any of the elite English teams. As he nears the end of his current contract, he's in a really strong position. Accept a higher weekly wage from Villa or move away to get bigger wages. The closer it gets to the end of the contract with no sign of McGinn re-signing, the greater the desire of Villa to sell a much valued asset.

Does he not have about 4 years left on his deal? If correct he'd be in his early 30s when it's up, the value of the transfer would be reduced significantly.

[gbhibby]

Does he not have about 4 years left on his deal? If correct he'd be in his early 30s when it's up, the value of the transfer would be reduced significantly.
Read somewhere that he is on £140k per week

[Since90+2]

Read somewhere that he is on £140k per week

That sounds like a lot to me.

He'll be very well off and generations of his family will be taken care of but I'd be surprised if it's as high as that

[Is It On....]

It's incredible what Emery has done with SJM and his ability to always find a new level is such a testament to his character. But he did have a year or two at Villa where he was struggling and a lot of their fans didn't think he was good enough for the Premier League, let alone £30m. I think it's OK to say that is true while being absolutely chuffed at how good he has become (his fitness levels as well btw 😮) - some boy!

I think we can call that the Steven Gerrard effect. 13 months ago Aston Villa were outside the relegation zone on goal difference. The transformation of the club and individual players under an Emery is both incredible and an indictment as to how poor a manager Steven Gerrard actually is.

[Keith_M]

Has McGinn signed a new deal at Villa, and if he has, or does in future, does that mean no chance of a sell-on fee if he eventually moves on?


Yes he has, and no it won't have an impact on any sell on fee.


Personally, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he played the rest of his career at Villa, and I'd imagine most Villa fans would be delighted if that happened.

[Since90+2]

Yes he has, and no it won't have an impact on any sell on fee.


Personally, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he played the rest of his career at Villa, and I'd imagine most Villa fans would be delighted if that happened.

Unfortunately I have a feeling he'll end up at Celtic. Not for a good few years but wouldn't surprise me if he went there at 33/34.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yes he has, and no it won't have an impact on any sell on fee.


Personally, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he played the rest of his career at Villa, and I'd imagine most Villa fans would be delighted if that happened.

Thanks, and yeah, I agree.

Still hoping Man Utd or the likes see sense and offer mega-bucks to at least tempt him!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Thanks, and yeah, I agree.

Still hoping Man Utd or the likes see sense and offer mega-bucks to at least tempt him!

What a team they would transform into with the 2 Mc's in midfield ☺️

[gbhibby]

That sounds like a lot to me.

He'll be very well off and generations of his family will be taken care of but I'd be surprised if it's as high as thathttps://www.spotrac.com/epl/aston-villa-fc/john-mcginn-32755/#:~:text=Current%20Contract,cap%20hit%20of%20%C2%A 36%2C240%2C000



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[Since90+2]

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/aston-villa-fc/john-mcginn-32755/#:~:text=Current%20Contract,cap%20hit%20of%20%C2%A 36%2C240%2C000



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That will be a complete guess. These sites won't have accurate information of Premier League players salaries.

[Stuart93]

To think he was getting absolute pelters off villa fans during Gerrards tenure. Seen some villa fans wanting shot of him at the time.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

That sounds like a lot to me.

He'll be very well off and generations of his family will be taken care of but I'd be surprised if it's as high as that

He signed a £25M contract over 4 years in the summer. So £120K per week roughly.

[McD]

I understand what you are saying, but in reply I'll just say two words - Jack Grealish.

When you watch McGinn play, he's good enough to play for any of the elite English teams. As he nears the end of his current contract, he's in a really strong position. Accept a higher weekly wage from Villa or move away to get bigger wages. The closer it gets to the end of the contract with no sign of McGinn re-signing, the greater the desire of Villa to sell a much valued asset.



That’s a fair point. He really could play for any of them, in fact in some cases I'd say he’d significantly improve them.


I’m just not convinced it’s all about the money for him, it’s the fans, the connection with the club. I think it’s more likely he could go to another club in England in a few years when/if he wants to pick up a few medals, a bit like when Gary McAllister went to Liverpool (although hopefully mcginn doesn’t wait til that age to do it)

[Hibby Bairn]

Hibs could ask Villa if they'd like to buy out the sell on clause.

[Since90+2]

He signed a £25M contract over 4 years in the summer. So £120K per week roughly.

Unless Villa came out and said that, or McGinn himself, how could anyone know that?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Unless Villa came out and said that, or McGinn himself, how could anyone know that?

Agents talk. Good way to get new clients

[cameronw-hfc]

He's not even a first pic!

In fairness, it was looking unlikely for a while given how poor his form was, it's a testament to him that he's gone from being out of form and fans not sure where he fit in to first name on the teamsheet.

His turnaround under Emery has been like nothing I've ever seen though. He's not just found his form, he actually looks like a considerably better footballer now as well.

[Since90+2]

Agents talk. Good way to get new clients

Probably likely to inflate wages they've supposedly got clients than anything else.

[1875Sean]

Hibs could ask Villa if they'd like to buy out the sell on clause.

Why would they do that? He’s 29 now, they prob don’t see selling him or don’t have to

[Jones28]

Why would they do that? He’s 29 now, they prob don’t see selling him or don’t have to
If you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose.

Offer removal of the clause for £5m? See if they bite.

[Gmack7]

He won't ask for a transfer but if villa ever accepted a bid he'd likely go.
I'm hoping he wants to play champions league but not with villa

[Broken Gnome]

If you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose.

Offer removal of the clause for £5m? See if they bite.

They should really take pity on us, especially after the European games - they got him for a steal, they cuffed us 8-0, we could really do with an extra million or two as sign of their gratitude.

[gbhibby]

Unless Villa came out and said that, or McGinn himself, how could anyone know that?
Only going on what has be quoted in a number of articles
£120k per week, which is not the top salary reported at Aston Villa.

[1875Sean]

If you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose.

Offer removal of the clause for £5m? See if they bite.

Should we just email them asking for money? Honestly never heard a club before buy out a clause after the player has moved on, I know rangers had a thing with Tillman but he wasn’t their player

[The Modfather]

Should we just email them asking for money? Honestly never heard a club before buy out a clause after the player has moved on, I know rangers had a thing with Tillman but he wasn’t their player

Southampton sold their sell on clause with Tottenham for Bale as they were skint at the time. Which meant they didn’t get anything when he made his big money move to Real Madrid!

[BoomtownHibees]

Should we just email them asking for money? Honestly never heard a club before buy out a clause after the player has moved on, I know rangers had a thing with Tillman but he wasn’t their player

Did something similar no happen with Hickey and Hearts?

[Green Man]

Southampton sold their sell on clause with Tottenham for Bale as they were skint at the time. Which meant they didn’t get anything when he made his big money move to Real Madrid!

Livingston did the same with one of their players, can’t remember who but they ended up missing out on a fair bit of money.

[HoboHarry]

Did something similar no happen with Hickey and Hearts?
Yes but they are scavenging tramps who probably needed the money to speed ship something for their new stand they had forgotten to order.

[JimBHibees]

Livingston did the same with one of their players, can’t remember who but they ended up missing out on a fair bit of money.

Snoddy I think

[jacomo]

If you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose.

Offer removal of the clause for £5m? See if they bite.


If it had a positive impact on Villa’s balance sheet there might be a deal to be done.

[Jones28]

Should we just email them asking for money? Honestly never heard a club before buy out a clause after the player has moved on, I know rangers had a thing with Tillman but he wasn’t their player

All these Nigerian Princes aren't doing it for nothing you know!

[jacomo]

In fairness, it was looking unlikely for a while given how poor his form was, it's a testament to him that he's gone from being out of form and fans not sure where he fit in to first name on the teamsheet.

His turnaround under Emery has been like nothing I've ever seen though. He's not just found his form, he actually looks like a considerably better footballer now as well.


I understand his form has fluctuated but he’s currently captain and top scorer for a team pushing for top spot in the EPL, and of course one of the first names on the Scotland team sheet.

I think the debate about McGinn as an elite midfielder is over.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I understand his form has fluctuated but he’s currently captain and top scorer for a team pushing for top spot in the EPL, and of course one of the first names on the Scotland team sheet.

I think the debate about McGinn as an elite midfielder is over.

Absolutely :agree:

He had dips in form at Hibs too, but his effort and commitment were never in question, no matter how poorly he was playing.

It would be nice to see him step out for Scotland in Germany with an EPL winners medal in his back pocket. That might be a bit of a stretch, but a better than even chance he will have a Europa conference winners medal the way Villa are playing just now.

[cameronw-hfc]

I understand his form has fluctuated but he’s currently captain and top scorer for a team pushing for top spot in the EPL, and of course one of the first names on the Scotland team sheet.

I think the debate about McGinn as an elite midfielder is over.

I agree, i just meaning it's an even bigger credit to him that he is where he is now, compared to where he was 18 months ago when he seemed to have stalled.

It should be an example to every young player out there. Great attitude, great work ethic, great character and a very good footballer as well.

[gbhibby]

I agree, i just meaning it's an even bigger credit to him that he is where he is now, compared to where he was 18 months ago when he seemed to have stalled.

It should be an example to every young player out there. Great attitude, great work ethic, great character and a very good footballer as well.
I told you at the time Cameron if he plays in his correct position he is the best player at Villa, Gerrard held him back.

[HoboHarry]

I told you at the time Cameron if he plays in his correct position he is the best player at Villa, Gerrard held him back.
:agree: Not as badly as Gerrard did but Dean Smith didn't play him to his strengths either from what I was seeing on the telly. Emery has been a breath of fresh air for Villa...

[gbhibby]

:agree: Not as badly as Gerrard did but Dean Smith didn't play him to his strengths either from what I was seeing on the telly. Emery has been a breath of fresh air for Villa...

Agree it was get the ball to Jack under Smith, Steve Clarke was the only one that could see his best position.

[Pretty Boy]

When it comes to players wages and the value of their deals I would recommend listening to Ben Foster's podcast. He talks quite openly about the money involved in football and how complex players contracts can be.

As an example he said that a signing on fee is rarely a flat amount paid to a player upon signing or signing a new contract. It's usually paid as a 'loyalty bonus' over the course of the contract and is dependent on certain criteria being met. So a £1M signing on fee could actually mean £250K paid once a year over the course of a 4 year contract dependent on avoiding relegation at the bottom sides or qualifying for the Champions League at the upper end. He also said there are all kinds of clauses that can trigger increases and decreases; the obvious ones being relegation and promotion.

He said it's far too simplistic to say a player has signed a deal on £60K a week for 3 years with a £500K signing on fee and most of the information in the public domain is guesswork or mischief making.

[WeeRussell]

When it comes to players wages and the value of their deals I would recommend listening to Ben Foster's podcast. He talks quite openly about the money involved in football and how complex players contracts can be.

As an example he said that a signing on fee is rarely a flat amount paid to a player upon signing or signing a new contract. It's usually paid as a 'loyalty bonus' over the course of the contract and is dependent on certain criteria being met. So a £1M signing on fee could actually mean £250K paid once a year over the course of a 4 year contract dependent on avoiding relegation at the bottom sides or qualifying for the Champions League at the upper end. He also said there are all kinds of clauses that can trigger increases and decreases; the obvious ones being relegation and promotion.

He said it's far too simplistic to say a player has signed a deal on £60K a week for 3 years with a £500K signing on fee and most of the information in the public domain is guesswork or mischief making.

That’s quite interesting. Makes the term ‘signing on fee’ somewhat misleading as surely most of us picture it literally being a full sum paid at the beginning of a contract.. so basically as you’ve just described as actually being rare.

Obviously it wouldn’t surprise me if these are revoked/reduced if contracts aren’t seen-out, or if there’s any misconduct etc… but I’ve always just assumed these are paid at the outset and hence called what they are, rather than being included in wages or named as a bonus.

[cameronw-hfc]

:agree: Not as badly as Gerrard did but Dean Smith didn't play him to his strengths either from what I was seeing on the telly. Emery has been a breath of fresh air for Villa...

In all fairness Emery has him playing on the wing comingninsid. It's the first time he's done that in his career. Smith used him well, usually as an attacking 8, sometimes filled in as a 6 due to injuries. Gerrard used him poorly though, I just don't think it's a position thing. I think he's genuinely improved as a footballer recently and it shows as when he's covered in the 6 role he's been excellent also.

He's become a much more complete and tactically aware footballer and is really excelling. It should help him even more for Scotland as well. He's also become a top class captian. He was a good player but figuring out the armband took him a bit, but he's thriving there as well and seems to be taking everything in his stride. It was a shame to see him go through his rough patch but he's come out the other end in even better form in a better team than he was previously in and its a testament to himself.

Seems to be going from cult hero to flat out legend at Villa now also.

[ancient hibee]

That’s quite interesting. Makes the term ‘signing on fee’ somewhat misleading as surely most of us picture it literally being a full sum paid at the beginning of a contract.. so basically as you’ve just described as actually being rare.

Obviously it wouldn’t surprise me if these are revoked/reduced if contracts aren’t seen-out, or if there’s any misconduct etc… but I’ve always just assumed these are paid at the outset and hence called what they are, rather than being included in wages or named as a bonus.
Any signing on fees hat I’ve had knowledge of (because of various business connections) have been spread over the length of the contract. In days gone by When amounts were much smaller it was to make sure that the player didn’t move into a different tax bracket because of a large lump sum.

[HoboHarry]

In all fairness Emery has him playing on the wing comingninsid. It's the first time he's done that in his career. Smith used him well, usually as an attacking 8, sometimes filled in as a 6 due to injuries. Gerrard used him poorly though, I just don't think it's a position thing. I think he's genuinely improved as a footballer recently and it shows as when he's covered in the 6 role he's been excellent also.

He's become a much more complete and tactically aware footballer and is really excelling. It should help him even more for Scotland as well. He's also become a top class captian. He was a good player but figuring out the armband took him a bit, but he's thriving there as well and seems to be taking everything in his stride. It was a shame to see him go through his rough patch but he's come out the other end in even better form in a better team than he was previously in and its a testament to himself.

Seems to be going from cult hero to flat out legend at Villa now also.
You must have been watching different Villa games to me if you think Smith usually had him in an attacking role.

[McD]

In all fairness Emery has him playing on the wing comingninsid. It's the first time he's done that in his career. Smith used him well, usually as an attacking 8, sometimes filled in as a 6 due to injuries. Gerrard used him poorly though, I just don't think it's a position thing. I think he's genuinely improved as a footballer recently and it shows as when he's covered in the 6 role he's been excellent also.

He's become a much more complete and tactically aware footballer and is really excelling. It should help him even more for Scotland as well. He's also become a top class captian. He was a good player but figuring out the armband took him a bit, but he's thriving there as well and seems to be taking everything in his stride. It was a shame to see him go through his rough patch but he's come out the other end in even better form in a better team than he was previously in and its a testament to himself.

Seems to be going from cult hero to flat out legend at Villa now also.


Andy Robertson was mentioned earlier in the thread, and I think there’s a lot of commonalities between them.

They’re both very skilful but are equally both leaders, both grown into captaincy roles for club and country (albeit slightly inverted - McGinn has captained Villa consistently with the odd Scotland captaincy, Robertson the opposite), committed, driving their teams, motivators, and very hard working.

I think they’ve both been growing as players over a number of years before hitting their respective heights (with more to come hopefully), have thrived under managers who have trusted and nurtured them, and have continued to play up to the level of team mates and kept developing. Few thought McGinn would be in a team ahead of some of the villa midfield and attackers, yet he’s a mainstay. Same with Robertson, few thought he would have become the crucial cog and arguably one of the heartbeats of the Liverpool team. Both sets of fans at huge clubs don’t just like them, they love them, their songs are heard at every match. In McGinns case, that’s also true of Hibs as well.

When you look at some of the primadonnas strutting around top level football, it’s actually quite refreshing to see these 2 (and let’s be fair, they’re not the only ones) Scottish players who are talented, down to earth, and having a huge impact on their clubs, the league, and their national team.

[Scouse Hibee]

When it comes to players wages and the value of their deals I would recommend listening to Ben Foster's podcast. He talks quite openly about the money involved in football and how complex players contracts can be.

As an example he said that a signing on fee is rarely a flat amount paid to a player upon signing or signing a new contract. It's usually paid as a 'loyalty bonus' over the course of the contract and is dependent on certain criteria being met. So a £1M signing on fee could actually mean £250K paid once a year over the course of a 4 year contract dependent on avoiding relegation at the bottom sides or qualifying for the Champions League at the upper end. He also said there are all kinds of clauses that can trigger increases and decreases; the obvious ones being relegation and promotion.

He said it's far too simplistic to say a player has signed a deal on £60K a week for 3 years with a £500K signing on fee and most of the information in the public domain is guesswork or mischief making.

In regard to your last paragraph, I’ve always known that, it makes me laugh when folk post on social media and on this board about how much a certain player earns. Claiming inside info and pals with his agent blah blah blah. It’s all total nonsense and always has been.

[blackpoolhibs]

In regard to your last paragraph, I’ve always known that, it makes me laugh when folk post on social media and on this board about how much a certain player earns. Claiming inside info and pals with his agent blah blah blah. It’s all total nonsense and always has been.

Not always nonsense, my ex missus worked in Sopwell House St Albans, and Arsenal trained at London Colney next to it, they used the hotel for years in the 80s as their gym and spa resort after training before their new complex was built.

She brought me home some of the players wage slips regularly that they had left in the rooms the club rented.

[WhileTheChief..]

In regard to your last paragraph, I’ve always known that, it makes me laugh when folk post on social media and on this board about how much a certain player earns. Claiming inside info and pals with his agent blah blah blah. It’s all total nonsense and always has been.

I work in financial services. We've got clients who are professional footballers and we know everything about their finances, including how much they earn, what their bonuses are likely to be etc.

These players have mortgages, savings and investments, as well as bank accounts. They will have accountants and solicitors and other professionals advising them. All of these people know how much they earn.

It's no surprise when little bits of info leak out. It can equally come from friends and family members too.

So, whilst a lot of the figures on the Internet will be BS, occasionally there will be some truth to them.

[Scouse Hibee]

Not always nonsense, my ex missus worked in Sopwell House St Albans, and Arsenal trained at London Colney next to it, they used the hotel for years in the 80s as their gym and spa resort after training before their new complex was built.

She brought me home some of the players wage slips regularly that they had left in the rooms the club rented.

Well I can’t argue with factual evidence like a wage slip.

Were you earning more than them? 😀

[Scouse Hibee]

I work in financial services. We've got clients who are professional footballers and we know everything about their finances, including how much they earn, what their bonuses are likely to be etc.

These players have mortgages, savings and investments, as well as bank accounts. They will have accountants and solicitors and other professionals advising them. All of these people know how much they earn.

It's no surprise when little bits of info leak out. It can equally come from friends and family members too.

So, whilst a lot of the figures on the Internet will be BS, occasionally there will be some truth to them.

Yes I have a relation in a similar position, they never disclose information though. I think we all know that the vast majority of stuff posted is gash.

[blackpoolhibs]

Well I can’t argue with factual evidence like a wage slip.

Were you earning more than them? 😀

No. :greengrin

What i found really strange was i also got Ray Parlours booking form when he was booked in a Match against Man Utd.

The fine was exactly the same as what we paid for playing Amateur football on a Sunday.

£6 if my memory is correct.

[Scouse Hibee]

No. :greengrin

What i found really strange was i also got Ray Parlours booking form when he was booked in a Match against Man Utd.

The fine was exactly the same as what we paid for playing Amateur football on a Sunday.

£6 if my memory is correct.

So much for it being proportionate to earnings back in them days then!

I was a Security Manager in a five star hotel in Edinburgh for ten years, we had numerous high profile footballers stay including the old firm teams, no wage slips ever found but plenty of strays found where they shouldn’t have been and various requests for discreet services 😂

[Scouse Hibee]

Back to the subject of McGinn, would love to see him in the Liverpool midfield, have said that before and been told by fellow Reds that he wasn’t good enough. I said even when he looked poor for Villa under Gerrard that he would flourish and show his full potential at Liverpool if given the chance.

[WeeRussell]

Back to the subject of McGinn, would love to see him in the Liverpool midfield, have said that before and been told by fellow Reds that he wasn’t good enough. I said even when he looked poor for Villa under Gerrard that he would flourish and show his full potential at Liverpool if given the chance.

Totally agree. I think they should have made a big effort to get him a few years back.

[Haymaker]

No. :greengrin

What i found really strange was i also got Ray Parlours booking form when he was booked in a Match against Man Utd.

The fine was exactly the same as what we paid for playing Amateur football on a Sunday.

£6 if my memory is correct.

Unless it's changed in the last decade I think it is still the same at all levels.

[matty_f]

That’s quite interesting. Makes the term ‘signing on fee’ somewhat misleading as surely most of us picture it literally being a full sum paid at the beginning of a contract.. so basically as you’ve just described as actually being rare.

Obviously it wouldn’t surprise me if these are revoked/reduced if contracts aren’t seen-out, or if there’s any misconduct etc… but I’ve always just assumed these are paid at the outset and hence called what they are, rather than being included in wages or named as a bonus.

Sometime's it is a flat out up-front payment as well, but it won't always be.

There's every chance McGinn will be on £100k+/week at Villa. They're a big club and he's their captain (I think?). I used to work for one of the major banks back in 2012, at that time we dealt with several Premiership players and I can remember Newcastle first team players on contracts at £70k/week plus at that time.

[McD]

Back to the subject of McGinn, would love to see him in the Liverpool midfield, have said that before and been told by fellow Reds that he wasn’t good enough. I said even when he looked poor for Villa under Gerrard that he would flourish and show his full potential at Liverpool if given the chance.



I agree, and I think Klopp would love him as a player

[A Hi-Bee]

I agree, and I think Klopp would love him as a player

Said that a few years ago, Liverpool would have suited him, but why would he move now.

[richard_pitts]

I'd like to see him at Manchester United. I think he is the kind of engine they need.

[Malthibby]

I'd like to see him at ..............(please enter team of your choice). I'd love to see the sell-on clause.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd like to see him at ..............(please enter team of your choice). I'd love to see the sell-on clause.
Nae need now, have you not heard, tomorrow we are minted. :greengrin

[Sparrows tongue]

This is my first post since signing up.

Whatever SJM is earning, I think he’s a great player and therefore deserves it. I would love to see him at Liverpool for a few years and then come back to us to finish his career. However, I don’t envisage either of these things happening!

[Hibee Daft]

Maybe bournemouth might put in a bid

[BILLYHIBS]

It’s McGinning to look a lot like Christmas :greengrin

[gbhibby]

It’s McGinning to look a lot like Christmas :greengrin

I think there is a billboard out Villa Park with this message

[Renfrew_Hibby]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170shttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170s

Great wee documentary on John.

[Bridge hibs]

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[MagicSwirlingShip]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170shttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170s

Great wee documentary on John.

Loved it

[BILLYHIBS]

I think there is a billboard out Villa Park with this message
Aye cannae mind where I saw it X I think ?

The point still stands if SJM gets sold though :greengrin


🙏🏿

[jacomo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170shttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170s

Great wee documentary on John.


:thumbsup:

[JohnM1875]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170shttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ&t=170s

Great wee documentary on John.

Class that! Very strange use of cartoons though.

[jacomo]

Class that! Very strange use of cartoons though.


Copyright free, I’d imagine…

[Allant1981]

Interesting that he says Neil lennon was a very good man manager, according to some this wasn't the case

[JimBHibees]

Interesting that he says Neil lennon was a very good man manager, according to some this wasn't the case

Thought they would have had Stubbs rather than Lennon. Really enjoyed it

[BILLYHIBS]

Interesting that he says Neil lennon was a very good man manager, according to some this wasn't the case

I imagine he would be in the early days being a winner and all that making players feel 10 feet tall bringing in his own players but towards the end of his tenure after SJM had gone along with Allan and McGeouch he had clearly lost all interest in the job for whatever reason and his team selections and behaviour became more and more erratic

[Greenbeard]

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[BILLYHIBS]

27499

😂

[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/J27sqQ9lsoo?si=R5kM8yYlN5U_txJO
If only that club had watched this video in 2019

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[Tambo]

It has took a few years but fair play to SJM for finally getting the praises he deserves, we all still hope for that big money move but I doubt he's in a rush to be moving on.

A good second half to the season and a good euros and then who knows?

A what if question here... If he did decide to return to Scotland for his last year or two, do you think he would choose us over St Mirren?

[1van Sprou7e]

https://youtu.be/J27sqQ9lsoo?si=R5kM8yYlN5U_txJO
If only that club had watched this video in 2019

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Would have been good for us sure but they would have ruined him, he'd be sitting alongside McTom as a DM languishing in midtable

[jacomo]

Would have been good for us sure but they would have ruined him, he'd be sitting alongside McTom as a DM languishing in midtable


Or Man Utd would have rediscovered the truth that a good team is not created through throwing money at all the highest profile players you can sign.