Playing out from back at goal kicks

[Carheenlea]

Can’t deny the first thing I thought of watching this was our favoured goal kick tactics. Thankfully we seem to be a bit more adept at it, but is it an accident waiting to happen..? :greengrin


https://x.com/hltco/status/1730656036023894157?s=46

[Keith_M]

Was that Marshall?



:greengrin

[Onceinawhile]

Good things about this:

1) get it right up hamburg
2) hilarious

Bad things

1) ptsd from seeing Jackson Irvine scored the goal before this.

[Dmas]

https://x.com/ipswichtown/status/1731011569062945105?s=46&t=Q9xj1Of6Boq0Mkc1E67TtQ

It can work well

[147lothian]

I would like to see us mix it up a bit, what I mean by this is I don't want to see us being too predictable, when teams press us high up the park trying to force an error in our final third, I would like to see a no nonsense hoof aimed at Youan, Boyle or whoever else it is we have in the advanced positions of the park, when it's obvious they have a front three ready to pounce.

[Brightside]

I would like to see us mix it up a bit, what I mean by this is I don't want to see us to being predictable, when teams press us high up the park trying to force an error in our final third, I would like to see a no nonsense hoof aimed at Youan, Boyle or whoever else it is we have in the advanced positions of the park, when it's obvious they have a front three ready to pounce.

We do.

[Donegal Hibby]

It does work well at times and others it doesn't imo . Against Sevco it didn't work and I'd be worried about it when we go to parkhead . Better quality opposition will get the better of it at times .

[Unseen work]

I would like to see us mix it up a bit, what I mean by this is I don't want to see us to being predictable, when teams press us high up the park trying to force an error in our final third, I would like to see a no nonsense hoof aimed at Youan, Boyle or whoever else it is we have in the advanced positions of the park, when it's obvious they have a front three ready to pounce.

I think the issue with a hoof towards Youan or Boyle is they won’t win it and it will come straight back to us when we’re deep, giving the opposition loads of space.

When we play slightly longer to Obita and Miller I think it works really well as they go high.

I like playing out from the back, although I must admit sometimes I’m desperate for us to inject a bit of intensity too - it feels like when we do we actually get a chance!

[cameronw-hfc]

I would like to see us mix it up a bit, what I mean by this is I don't want to see us to being predictable, when teams press us high up the park trying to force an error in our final third, I would like to see a no nonsense hoof aimed at Youan, Boyle or whoever else it is we have in the advanced positions of the park, when it's obvious they have a front three ready to pounce.


I'd agree but would argue a team pressing us high, should theoretically play into our hands if were passing out from the back. Its the teams that sit in and let us play about I worry about. Being caught too far forward on the counter etc.

Think as others have suggested when the fullbacks push up the long ball seems to work quite a lot.

[ancient hibee]

I think the issue with a hoof towards Youan or Boyle is they won’t win it and it will come straight back to us when we’re deep, giving the opposition loads of space.

When we play slightly longer to Obita and Miller I think it works really well as they go high.

I like playing out from the back, although I must admit sometimes I’m desperate for us to inject a bit of intensity too - it feels like when we do we actually get a chance!

I like us playing out from the back as it makes sense for us to try and control the ball rather than the opposition but sometimes I would like to see us doing it quicker as we are guilty of allowing the other team too much time to take up positions .

[grunt]

West Ham just gave away a dreadful goal from passing it poorly around the backs.

[blackpoolhibs]

Sometimes there's being brave and then there's being stupid, like that just now. :rolleyes:

[bingo70]

We do.

It’s ironic that all the short goal kicks probably allowed us to score the goal we did today because it drew them out and created all the space for Boyle to run into.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Don't understand this silly tactic 🙄 does my nut in at times.

[bingo70]

Don't understand this silly tactic 🙄 does my nut in at times.

You don’t understand keeping the ball and passing to a team mate instead of punting it long and hoping for the best?

[Iain G]

Don't understand this silly tactic 🙄 does my nut in at times.

Aye let's just hoof it forward like a yam!

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

You don’t understand keeping the ball and passing to a team mate instead of punting it long and hoping for the best?

If it means not putting us in unnecessary situations then yes

[LewysGot2]

It’s ironic that all the short goal kicks probably allowed us to score the goal we did today because it drew them out and created all the space for Boyle to run into.

Not ironic at all, it's what underpins the approach. It's starting to pay dividends...

[Iain G]

If it means not putting us in unnecessary situations then yes

We kept a clean sheet today and scored twice, seemed to be working!

[Hibbyradge]

We kept a clean sheet today and scored twice, seemed to be working!

We gave Aberdeen the ball back every time Marshall booted it up the park.

[bingo70]

We gave Aberdeen the ball back every time Marshall booted it up the park.

Not quite every time 😉

First goal scored came from Marshall booting it up the park.

[wookie70]

Robson saying Marshall miskicked it for the first goal. It was a cracking 1 iron type kick out that went exactly where he aimed it. I thought he was excellent with the ball at his feet today too.

[LaMotta]

I understand the approach considering the attacking pace we have in trying to draw the opposition into our half.

We scored today from a Marshall hoof though. Playing it out also nearly cost us at least one goal when we played ourselves into trouble. Overall Aberdeen could have had 3 or 4 goals on another day but for Marshall and a bit of luck.

Its the way the manager wants to play, so hopefully we will improve with it. Certainly better having Levitt in than Jeggo if we want to play like that. Levitt so composed on the ball.

[LaMotta]

Robson saying Marshall miskicked it for the first goal. It was a cracking 1 iron type kick out that went exactly where he aimed it. I thought he was excellent with the ball at his feet today too.

Have you seen it back? No chance he meant it:greengrin

[wookie70]

Have you seen it back? No chance he meant it:greengrin

Not seen it back but he regularly plays those drilled type kick outs so I presumed he meant it. Unusual to miskick a ball that far

[LaMotta]

Not seen it back but he regularly plays those drilled type kick outs so I presumed he meant it. Unusual to miskick a ball that far

I suggest you watch it back :greengrin

[Iain G]

I understand the approach considering the attacking pace we have in trying to draw the opposition into our half.

We scored today from a Marshall hoof though. Playing it out also nearly cost us at least one goal when we played ourselves into trouble. Overall Aberdeen could have had 3 or 4 goals on another day but for Marshall and a bit of luck.

Its the way the manager wants to play, so hopefully we will improve with it. Certainly better having Levitt in than Jeggo if we want to play like that. Levitt so composed on the ball.

And we kept another clean sheet.

[greenlex]

It does work well at times and others it doesn't imo . Against Sevco it didn't work and I'd be worried about it when we go to parkhead . Better quality opposition will get the better of it at times .
We did it at home v Celtic and it worked fine although we did have moments where we caused ourselves problems.
when it’s done right it’s absolutely fine when it doesn’t it invariably results in a guilt edged chance for the opposition.
The more we do it the better we will get at it. That’s a goal resulted from it two weeks on the trot.
i would also argue that when we ditched it second half when ( probably when Doidge came on) we had our worst spell and more or less just gave the ball back to Aberdeen.
The but I don’t like about it is all the would be coach€s screaming just to launch it. It really is quite mental they do it.

[Hibbyradge]

I suggest you watch it back :greengrin

Where can I see it?

[greenlex]

I suggest you watch it back :greengrin
No chance he miskicked it. Absolutely meant. More chance he miskicked all the others.

[greenlex]

Where can I see it?
Sportscene just starting on the BBC Scotland channel big boy. :thumbsup:

[LaMotta]

No chance he miskicked it. Absolutely meant. More chance he miskicked all the others.

How do you know that?

Looks to me like he's trying to play it out wide but he hooked it.

https://twitter.com/Freddie_23_23/status/1731332660872548734?t=tYyPibNUX116q509Ql1nOw&s=19

Not disimilar to several hooked clearances this season from him

How you can say he absolutely meant that is beyond me.

[greenlex]

How do you know that?

Looks to me like he's trying to play it out wide but he hooked it.

https://twitter.com/Freddie_23_23/status/1731332660872548734?t=tYyPibNUX116q509Ql1nOw&s=19

Not disimilar to several hooked clearances this season from him

How you can say he absolutely meant that is beyond me.
he looks up and plays the ball. How can he not have meant it?
Why do you think he’s trying to play it wide. It’s the speed of decision after looking up that makes it deliberate fir me rather than a speculative ball out wide.

[gaz1875]

We need to mix the goal kicks up occasionally, doing the same thing all the time is poor, especially when we can barely get out our own 18 yard box the majority of the time

[Carheenlea]

I didn’t think it was a miss hit at the game and see nothing in that clip to convince me otherwise?

[LaMotta]

he looks up and plays the ball. How can he not have meant it?
Why do you think he’s trying to play it wide. It’s the speed of decision after looking up that makes it deliberate fir me rather than a speculative ball out wide.


I didn’t think it was a mi**** at the game and see nothing in that clip to convince me otherwise?

Marshall's got flipper feet sometimes, that for me was one that luckily worked out well. Unless he confirms it himself I'm not buying that was a precision pass to Boyle:greengrin

[Stevie Reid]

We need to mix the goal kicks up occasionally, doing the same thing all the time is poor, especially when we can barely get out our own 18 yard box the majority of the time

There was a point in the second half where it was like the Alamo, and we kept trying to play out at the goal kicks, and putting ourselves in danger. We did the same against RC before they scored, which gave them momentum and let them back in the game.

We were asking for trouble at times today too. I like playing out from the back most of the time, and the risk/reward makes for exciting/tense moments. But sometimes we just need to go long and get the ball far away from our goal, even if there’s no decent target.

[Carheenlea]

The one in second half that almost went wrong was met with howls of derision, then when the next one following that was launched long, it was met with some ironic cheers.
It went straight to an Aberdeen player.

[Iain G]

There was a point in the second half where it was like the Alamo, and we kept trying to play out at the goal kicks, and putting ourselves in danger. We did the same against RC before they scored, which gave them momentum and let them back in the game.

We were asking for trouble at times today too. I like playing out from the back most of the time, and the risk/reward makes for exciting/tense moments. But sometimes we just need to go long and get the ball far away from our goal, even if there’s no decent target.

And then it just comes back again! Better to try control the ball than pump it long and play percentage football.

[Stevie Reid]

And then it just comes back again! Better to try control the ball than pump it long and play percentage football.

It doesn’t always. We did start going long at one point because we had to, Aberdeen had three forwards cutting off all of our passes, and we had no choice.

There’s a time and a place for percentage football. That was one of them.

[LaMotta]

It doesn’t always. We did start going long at one point because we had to, Aberdeen had three forwards cutting off all of our passes, and we had no choice.

There’s a time and a place for percentage football. That was one of them.

:agree:

[wookie70]

Have you seen it back? No chance he meant it:greengrin I've seen it back now and it looks as it did when I watched the match. A drilled pass right into the path of Boyle. Mind you I have a habit of seeing things completely the opposite way to your good self over the last few games

[LaMotta]

I've seen it back now and it looks as it did when I watched the match. A drilled pass right into the path of Boyle. Mind you I have a habit of seeing things completely the opposite way to your good self over the last few games

Thick green tinted specs will do that to you tbf :na na:

[gaz1875]

Marshall's got flipper feet sometimes, that for me was one that luckily worked out well. Unless he confirms it himself I'm not buying that was a precision pass to Boyle:greengrin

He played a long pass to the strikers and one of then reached it, Boyle, what was lucky about that?

[SaulGoodman]

He played a long pass to the strikers and one of then reached it, Boyle, what was lucky about that?

Every goal Hibs score is lucky and every goal we concede is directly our fault.

[Iain G]

Marshall clearly meant that drilled pass.

[B.H.F.C]

Keep going with it and keep improving. It’s a totally different way of playing and it’s going to take practice, practice and more practice. Something they deserve a lot of credit for is having the bottle to keep doing it. 1 defeat (at Ibrox) in 11 league games since we started using it isn’t a bad start with it either.

[Hibbyradge]

Marshall clearly meant that drilled pass.

I agree. He definitely meant to keep it low.

[greenlex]

Keep going with it and keep improving. It’s a totally different way of playing and it’s going to take practice, practice and more practice. Something they deserve a lot of credit for is having the bottle to keep doing it. 1 defeat (at Ibrox) in 11 league games since we started using it isn’t a bad start with it either.
I was actually getting annoyed when we stopped doing it second half. If Aberdeen were committing players forward quicker to counter there must have been gaps elsewhere. That’s the whole point of it. Draw players on and create the space. It’s up to us to find those gaps, occupy and execute.

[truehibernian]

Keep going with it and keep improving. It’s a totally different way of playing and it’s going to take practice, practice and more practice. Something they deserve a lot of credit for is having the bottle to keep doing it. 1 defeat (at Ibrox) in 11 league games since we started using it isn’t a bad start with it either.

Exactly 👍 the other thing to note is Rocky isn’t fazed one bit taking bye kicks and taking ownership when required to. Gives Rocky much more confidence on the dead ball and improves him as well. It’s getting that balance right of when to do it and when to go long if needed.

[LaMotta]

Every goal Hibs score is lucky and every goal we concede is directly our fault.

No one's even come close to saying that on here :hilarious

[Hibees1973]

I fully understand this is how Hibs are going to play, no real point in complaining about it.

I just wondering however, if Montgomery will tweak things a bit on Wednesday.

Every chance Celtic will punish us big time if any errors are made. Aberdeen didn't today but I seriously doubt we will get as lucky on Wednesday night.

[JimBHibees]

Have you seen it back? No chance he meant it:greengrin

Of course he meant to hit Boyle

[Broxburn Greens]

Said yesterday that a neutral would’ve enjoyed yesterday’s game primarily because of our desire to play out from the back.

As a Hibs fan though it can be pretty hair raising at times but if we split the opposition then it can be equally exciting.

All for it, it’s the way to play modern football and we will give some teams an absolute hiding going forward but when it goes wrong it’ll likely be a painful watch.

I’m interested to see who we might bring in during the January window as we clearly need a couple of players who are well composed with the ball at their feet and whose first touch is bang on.

At least we can see what NM is trying to implement and that’s a big step forward following the last couple of managers.


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[BoomtownHibees]

I think having Dylan Levitt is important when attempting to play this way. He will drop deep and is happy to take the ball facing his own goal and getting us moving up the park.

There’s a time and a place for a Jimmy Jeggo in there however I wouldn’t feel as comfortable playing the way we do with him instead of Levitt or Newell

[Hibernian Verse]

I fully understand this is how Hibs are going to play, no real point in complaining about it.

I just wondering however, if Montgomery will tweak things a bit on Wednesday.

Every chance Celtic will punish us big time if any errors are made. Aberdeen didn't today but I seriously doubt we will get as lucky on Wednesday night.

We played like that against Celtic at Easter Road and generally nullified them. I know it's a different game at Celtic Park but the only way to get better is to keep playing the same style of football.

Treat it as a litmus test IMO. How good are we? We will find out by how the game pans out on Wednesday.

[Onceinawhile]

Not quite every time 😉

First goal scored came from Marshall booting it up the park.

And what was the result of that? Aberdeen kick off. 🤣

[LaMotta]

Of course he meant to hit Boyle

Mikey Stewart on Sportscene saying it wasn't clear whether he meant it or not as it could have been meant for outwide.

A fair position to take.

Doesn't matter either way really because we scored from it.

[Broxburn Greens]

Mikey Stewart on Sportscene saying it wasn't clear whether he meant it or not as it could have been meant for outwide.

A fair position to take.

Doesn't matter either way really because we scored from it.

Much what Stewart said, it’s a moot point. Robson, rather than embarrassing himself by saying it’s a mis-hit or a freak should be looking at how his centre half’s let the ball sail right through them.

Thought both Stewart and Davidson were pretty fair in their analysis as short as it was and again how it focussed more on how Aberdeen lost the game rather than how Hibs won it.


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[Jamesie]

I really enjoyed the zippy long ball tactic we deployed yesterday, particularly in the first 30 mins or so, really testing Aberdeen’s defence in doing so. It made for exciting viewing for me.

[LaMotta]

Much what Stewart said, it’s a moot point. Robson, rather than embarrassing himself by saying it’s a mis-hit or a freak should be looking at how his centre half’s let the ball sail right through them.

Thought both Stewart and Davidson were pretty fair in their analysis as short as it was and again how it focussed more on how Aberdeen lost the game rather than how Hibs won it.


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Agreed:agree:

[Since452]

Aberdeen almost lost a goal just before they did with an almost identical long ball that cut through their ropey defence like a hot knife through butter. Well done to Marshall for clicking on to that. Miss hit/fluke my arse.

Robson embarrassing himself and needs to realise he used up all his luck at Hampden.

[neil7908]

It's high risk, high reward and we'll undoubtedly concede goals playing like this but I'm enjoying watching us so much more under Monty.

It asks a huge amount of the back 4 but I'm really impressed with how they have adapted in such a short time to a very difficult new system.

I'd love to see us sign a mobile centre forward to play alongside Vente, but one that is good in the air as I think it's useful to have an out ball when needed.

[Iain G]

Aberdeen almost lost a goal just before they did with an almost identical long ball that cut through their ropey defence like a hot knife through butter. Well done to Marshall for clicking on to that. Miss hit/fluke my arse.

Robson embarrassing himself and needs to realise he used up all his luck at Hampden.

We clearly had a plan to occasionally hit it long as then their defence with Boyle, was good to see we can mix it up.

[Hibbyradge]

It's high risk, high reward and we'll undoubtedly concede goals playing like this but I'm enjoying watching us so much more under Monty.

It asks a huge amount of the back 4 but I'm really impressed with how they have adapted in such a short time to a very difficult new system.

I'd love to see us sign a mobile centre forward to play alongside Vente, but one that is good in the air as I think it's useful to have an out ball when needed.

I wish we'd been able to keep Kukharevych because he's exactly the player you describe.

I don't think he's started for Swansea which is surprising as they paid a good fee for him. Maybe we could get him back on loan.

[BS44]

I wish we'd been able to keep Kukharevych because he's exactly the player you describe.

I don't think he's started for Swansea which is surprising as they paid a good fee for him. Maybe we could get him back on loan.

He's injured at the moment.

[Hibbyradge]

He's injured at the moment.

Right.

Folk did have concerns about him being injury prone.

[Hibernian Verse]

We clearly had a plan to occasionally hit it long as then their defence with Boyle, was good to see we can mix it up.

Aberdeen played really high to try and stop us playing short but we called their bluff on 3 occasions that I can remember. 2 led to goalscoring opportunities.

[Hibbyradge]

Fotmob says that we have had the highest number of accurate long balls per match in the league.

I don't understand the stat though. We're highest at 31.5 with successful long balls at 47.6%.

What does the 31.5 represent?:confused:

[I'm Spartacus]

It did get panicky at times though eh?! Aberdeen chasing it down very well, but when they have 5 guys on the box waiting to charge then that has to be the time to play a wee chippie midfield ball and bypass half their team!

The passing out from the back when being pressed has to be fast and slick because they have committed bodies forward, and key is movement to help create the passes.

Progress though and we have been crying out for this identity.

[Iain G]

Fotmob says that we have had the highest number of accurate long balls per match in the league.

I don't understand the stat though. We're highest at 31.5 with successful long balls at 47.6%.

What does the 31.5 represent?:confused:

The number of times Marshall has shanked it, according to Bazza Robson

[ancient hibee]

Aberdeen almost lost a goal just before they did with an almost identical long ball that cut through their ropey defence like a hot knife through butter. Well done to Marshall for clicking on to that. Miss hit/fluke my arse.

Robson embarrassing himself and needs to realise he used up all his luck at Hampden.

The semi showed we could go right through the middle against them and this continued in the first half. More good tactical thought from Montgomery.

[Tyler Durden]

Fotmob says that we have had the highest number of accurate long balls per match in the league.

I don't understand the stat though. We're highest at 31.5 with successful long balls at 47.6%.

What does the 31.5 represent?:confused:

The 31 is a count. Volume per game. So we must attempt around 65 and 31 are successful on average.

Is my reading anyway.

[Hibbyradge]

The 31 is a count. Volume per game. So we must attempt around 65 and 31 are successful on average.

Is my reading anyway.

Yeah that'll be it.

I was confused by the fraction because it says "per game" but it'll be the average over our 15 games.

Having said that, it would mean that we've made 473 successful long passes this season which is only 47.6% of the total attempted!

Have we really tried ~1000 long passes so far this season, as you said ~65 a game?

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah that'll be it.

I was confused by the fraction because it says "per game" but it'll be the average over our 15 games.

Having said that, it would mean that we've made 473 successful long passes this season which is only 47.6% of the total attempted!

Have we really tried ~1000 long passes so far this season, as you said ~65 a game?

From a quick search a long pass (as they define it) is about 30 yards, so it's not quite what people would consider a "long ball"

[007]

I really enjoyed the zippy long ball tactic we deployed yesterday, particularly in the first 30 mins or so, really testing Aberdeen’s defence in doing so. It made for exciting viewing for me.

Yeah, me too. Particularly when Rubezic bungled it.

[Hibbyradge]

From a quick search a long pass (as they define it) is about 30 yards, so it's not quite what people would consider a "long ball"

That makes sense. Thanks 👍

[allezsauzee]

It's early days and I think as well as the team getting more adept at it, the squad will evolve and we will bring in players that the manager feels will be comfortable playing this way. For it work most effectively, the opposition need to feel like it's worth their while pushing further forward and committing players so to a certain extent, we need to look like we are taking chances playing out. I think one area for improvement is the communication between the back 5 and those players receiving the ball from them but I'm sure it'll improve.

[SHODAN]

We're getting closer to the inevitable singularity where we concede a goal from one of these.

[Bushwoof]

It's good when it works, but it may have a limited shelf life. The better we get at it, the more dangerous it is for the opposition to try the high press, and we may find that teams stop doing it and just let us play it out in a leisurely fashion - which may make for a dull spectacle indeed!
ATM though, as long as we're smart enough to spot when to play a pass into the middle (e.g. v Dundee) and when to play it long (e.g v Aberdeen) then it can reap rewards.

[Hibees1973]

There is a world of difference between what we are trying to do and the 'hoofball' the Yam are alleging.

The hoof is a long, punted, highball, aimed at a big Centre Forward (6ft 2+) to flick it on. This was a tactic employed by the Yam under Potter and several other Yam managers in the last 30 years. I've lost count of the number of big huddies they've had at Centre Forward.

It's clear we are trying to bring the opposition on to us, has been far from perfected so far, which leaves their defenders exposed so we can use the pace of Boyle & Youan by aiming the ball behind their defence. As others have said it's not a comfortable watch at times, but it plays to the strengths we have in the squad at present.

I expect after a couple of recruitment windows we will have even more variation to our play. However, this will be a tactic we can use and I don't think any other team in the SPFL plays like this.

Really, is not that sophisticated a tactic, but it can work when used at the right time, such as yesterday and in particular the SPFL level.

[allezsauzee]

We're getting closer to the inevitable singularity where we concede a goal from one of these.

It's bound to happen at some point. If we punt the ball up then we will almost certainly lose possession a lot more often and the more the opposition has the ball the greater the opportunity for them to create chances to score. However nobody will make that connection and instead focus upon the single incidents where we concede from playing out.

[Keepthefaith]

It's bound to happen at some point. If we punt the ball up then we will almost certainly lose possession a lot more often and the more the opposition has the ball the greater the opportunity for them to create chances to score. However nobody will make that connection and instead focus upon the single incidents where we concede from playing out.

At least we're not this bad!😂

https://youtu.be/rsWM_5jYiLk?si=UumOPHEVFwI98O5x

[neil7908]

I wish we'd been able to keep Kukharevych because he's exactly the player you describe.

I don't think he's started for Swansea which is surprising as they paid a good fee for him. Maybe we could get him back on loan.

Christ I forgot about him and yes, he's absolutely what I was thinking about.

Him and Vente with Boyle/Tavares/Youan supporting would do for me!