Dutch elections

[Stairway 2 7]

Far right nutter Geert Wilders PVV takes 35 out of 150 Dutch seats. Says in his victory speech “tsunami of asylum and immigration” is ending" "The Netherlands can't take it anymore. We have to think about our own people first now. Borders closed. Zero asylum-seekers."

Has previously said not one Quran should be in Holland. He is also wanting to hold an election on a Dutch EU exit. His party though hopefully won't be able to form a government but he'll get the chance

Joins Italy in having a far right government, Vox in Spain and Sweeden and Finland with the far right in coalition. Austria looks like voting one in and AFD in Germany did great in the local elections but hopefully wont get into a coalition.

Our right wing populist party are thankfully imploding but it's worrying how much the right is rising just now.

[Sylar]

Follows the election of a far right Government in Argentina too.

Worrying times.

[JimBHibees]

Very depressing. Have they actually won the election given other parties can get a majority or are there rules around the largest party getting chance to set up coalition first unlike it seems local council ele8ctions

[Stairway 2 7]

Very depressing. Have they actually won the election given other parties can get a majority or are there rules around the largest party getting chance to set up coalition first unlike it seems local council ele8ctions

Yes he'll get the chance to try but most are saying they won't work with him so hopefully he can't make a government

[Jones28]

They’ll have a term of him being a nutter and vote him out.

[Pretty Boy]

When you look at the scenes in Ireland tonight I don't think the issue of immigration, or at least certain demographics of immigrant, is going away any time soon.

It's probably the price to pay for refusing to have a grown up conversation about it for so long. It was a political football and the far right populists have exploited that and then some. I don't think they are offering any answers but misplaced anger is still anger and as we have seen in the UK in recent years it can have severe consequences.

[Keith_M]

Far right nutter Geert Wilders PVV takes 35 out of 150 Dutch seats. Says in his victory speech “tsunami of asylum and immigration” is ending" "The Netherlands can't take it anymore. We have to think about our own people first now. Borders closed. Zero asylum-seekers."

Has previously said not one Quran should be in Holland. He is also wanting to hold an election on a Dutch EU exit. His party though hopefully won't be able to form a government but he'll get the chance

Joins Italy in having a far right government, Vox in Spain and Sweeden and Finland with the far right in coalition. Austria looks like voting one in and AFD in Germany did great in the local elections but hopefully wont get into a coalition.

Our right wing populist party are thankfully imploding but it's worrying how much the right is rising just now.


Yeah, everything is always the fault of the damn foreigners/refugees. This seems to be a popular theme that so many are willing to believe.

Though I just wanted to assure you that absolutely none of the mainstream parties in Germany will ever have a coalition with the AFD

[nonshinyfinish]

They’ll have a term of him being a nutter and vote him out.

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. Although this prick has the largest number of seats, it's only 37 out of 150, with the next largest being 25, 24 and 20. That means to get anywhere near a majority he'd either need a coalition with two of the larger parties or one of them plus some of the 11(!) other parties with between 1 and 9 seats each.

One of the large parties said during the campaign that they would work with him in a coalition, but it's considered to have cost them a lot of votes and the leader has now said they wouldn't enter a coalition that made Wilders the PM. The others have said they won't work with him.

Last time round it took 9 months to form a government, without the added complication of Wilders and PVV being major players.

[Jones28]

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. Although this prick has the largest number of seats, it's only 37 out of 150, with the next largest being 25, 24 and 20. That means to get anywhere near a majority he'd either need a coalition with two of the larger parties or one of them plus some of the 11(!) other parties with between 1 and 9 seats each.

One of the large parties said during the campaign that they would work with him in a coalition, but it's considered to have cost them a lot of votes and the leader has now said they wouldn't enter a coalition that made Wilders the PM. The others have said they won't work with him.

Last time round it took 9 months to form a government, without the added complication of Wilders and PVV being major players.

So thats...good? Maybe? He will at least be hamstrung by the politics of the other parties.

If they can't form a government what happens?

Could other parties form a coalition to keep him out?

Also just saw a picture of him, he looks like someone playing Trump in a porno.

[nonshinyfinish]

So thats...good? Maybe? He will at least be hamstrung by the politics of the other parties.

From what I've read, yes. If he does manage to put together a government, it would have to involve concessions on his most extreme positions.


If they can't form a government what happens?

Possibly someone else does, if they can cobble together their own coalition. Possibly another election is called. I don't know if there are hard and fast rules about who gets first shot at forming a government, when others can have a go, what prompts a new election etc or if they're just informal agreements.


Could other parties form a coalition to keep him out?

Yes, but as above I don't know what the rules are around when they can try.

[Pagan Hibernia]

There has been growing anti-immigrant sentiment in the Republic of Ireland for the past couple of years and I think we'll see more of what we saw last night.

It's going to be a real problem for Sinn Fein (at a time when everything seemed to be going their way)

[Dalianwanda]

There has been growing anti-immigrant sentiment in the Republic of Ireland for the past couple of years and I think we'll see more of what we saw last night.

It's going to be a real problem for Sinn Fein (at a time when everything seemed to be going their way)

I’ve had run ins with a couple of them in my area. Not an ounce of intelligence amongst them spouting racist sound bites with nothing to back it up but hatred.

i just landed in Dublin airport last night and i got a real sense of the fear of those arriving to visit the country, shameful. The idiots last night werent patriots they pretend to be if anything they are traitors just jumping on a tragic event as a chance to cause mayhem and fill their pockets.

[Stairway 2 7]

Notice Connor Macgregor has been stoking it like an Irish Tommy Robinson

[Dalianwanda]

Notice Connor Macgregor has been stoking it like an Irish Tommy Robinson

He must be selling something shortly

[Pretty Boy]

There has been growing anti-immigrant sentiment in the Republic of Ireland for the past couple of years and I think we'll see more of what we saw last night.

It's going to be a real problem for Sinn Fein (at a time when everything seemed to be going their way)

I had this conversation elsewhere earlier.

I find the idea of a mass anti immigration movement in Ireland almost comical and it really shows how quickly history can be forgotten. The Irish diaspora were among the worst treated immigrants wherever they traveled. Certainly when they arrived in Scotland in the 19th century it was all the same tropes that we see today that were trotted out: they speak a different language, they are culturally incompatible with the native population, they practice a different religion, they are simultaneously bone idle and taking all the jobs:confused: That's before we get to the later 'no dogs, no black, no Irish'. The legacy lives on to this day in the low level sectarianism and anti Irish xenophobia that is woven through Scottish society; the relatively widespread use of the word 'tarrier' says it all and those who are of Irish descent often can't win. Say you are Scottish and some will say 'aye but you're not really Scottish', show any real pride in your Irish ancestry and you are a 'plastic paddy'.

I think too many people across Europe and beyond imagine that every German in the 1930s was a rabid Nazi and as long as they stop some way short of that then they are OK. It's a nonsense of course but as long as enough partially bought the idea that Jews caused hyper inflation, Jews tanked the economy, Jews were in cahoots with the commies then it went unchallenged enough that power could be won and cemented.

I do think there is a conversation to be had around immigration. I think a lot of that should largely be focused on the systemic failures that have led us to this point though, particularly in the UK. Immigration processing has been cut to such a bare bones service that legally entering the country is a lengthy and dispiriting process that takes far too long. People being housed in hotels at a fairly substantial cost is a result of political choices; a sceptic might argue it's a way to keep the scapegoats front and centre and plans to fly people to Rwanda and the like is all smoke and mirrors. The issue there is that the people who are here desperate to make a life for themselves and thus to contribute to society as a whole are stuck in the same system as the people who really are potentially dangerous and should be refused entry. Such a failed system leads to events like what happened in Ireland yesterday.

[Hibrandenburg]

I’ve had run ins with a couple of them in my area. Not an ounce of intelligence amongst them spouting racist sound bites with nothing to back it up but hatred.

i just landed in Dublin airport last night and i got a real sense of the fear of those arriving to visit theocountry, shameful. The idiots last night werent patriots they pretend to be if anything they are traitors just jumping on a tragic event as a chance to cause mayhem and fill their pockets.

And all that in a country whose own people have migrated in their millions throughout the world.

[Hibrandenburg]

I had this conversation elsewhere earlier.

I find the idea of a mass anti immigration movement in Ireland almost comical and it really shows how quickly history can be forgotten. The Irish diaspora were among the worst treated immigrants wherever they traveled. Certainly when they arrived in Scotland in the 19th century it was all the same tropes that we see today that were trotted out: they speak a different language, they are culturally incompatible with the native population, they practice a different religion, they are simultaneously bone idle and taking all the jobs:confused: That's before we get to the later 'no dogs, no black, no Irish'. The legacy lives on to this day in the low level sectarianism and anti Irish xenophobia that is woven through Scottish society; the relatively widespread use of the word 'tarrier' says it all and those who are of Irish descent often can't win. Say you are Scottish and some will say 'aye but you're not really Scottish', show any real pride in your Irish ancestry and you are a 'plastic paddy'.

I think too many people across Europe and beyond imagine that every German in the 1930s was a rabid Nazi and as long as they stop some way short of that then they are OK. It's a nonsense of course but as long as enough partially bought the idea that Jews caused hyper inflation, Jews tanked the economy, Jews were in cahoots with the commies then it went unchallenged enough that power could be won and cemented.

I do think there is a conversation to be had around immigration. I think a lot of that should largely be focused on the systemic failures that have led us to this point though, particularly in the UK. Immigration processing has been cut to such a bare bones service that legally entering the country is a lengthy and dispiriting process that takes far too long. People being housed in hotels at a fairly substantial cost is a result of political choices; a sceptic might argue it's a way to keep the scapegoats front and centre and plans to fly people to Rwanda and the like is all smoke and mirrors. The issue there is that the people who are here desperate to make a life for themselves and thus to contribute to society as a whole are stuck in the same system as the people who really are potentially dangerous and should be refused entry. Such a failed system leads to events like what happened in Ireland yesterday.

:applause:

[Stairway 2 7]

He must be selling something shortly

He's lost it, he's going to change Ireland apparently

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1728103250962808866

[JimBHibees]

I had this conversation elsewhere earlier.

I find the idea of a mass anti immigration movement in Ireland almost comical and it really shows how quickly history can be forgotten. The Irish diaspora were among the worst treated immigrants wherever they traveled. Certainly when they arrived in Scotland in the 19th century it was all the same tropes that we see today that were trotted out: they speak a different language, they are culturally incompatible with the native population, they practice a different religion, they are simultaneously bone idle and taking all the jobs:confused: That's before we get to the later 'no dogs, no black, no Irish'. The legacy lives on to this day in the low level sectarianism and anti Irish xenophobia that is woven through Scottish society; the relatively widespread use of the word 'tarrier' says it all and those who are of Irish descent often can't win. Say you are Scottish and some will say 'aye but you're not really Scottish', show any real pride in your Irish ancestry and you are a 'plastic paddy'.

I think too many people across Europe and beyond imagine that every German in the 1930s was a rabid Nazi and as long as they stop some way short of that then they are OK. It's a nonsense of course but as long as enough partially bought the idea that Jews caused hyper inflation, Jews tanked the economy, Jews were in cahoots with the commies then it went unchallenged enough that power could be won and cemented.

I do think there is a conversation to be had around immigration. I think a lot of that should largely be focused on the systemic failures that have led us to this point though, particularly in the UK. Immigration processing has been cut to such a bare bones service that legally entering the country is a lengthy and dispiriting process that takes far too long. People being housed in hotels at a fairly substantial cost is a result of political choices; a sceptic might argue it's a way to keep the scapegoats front and centre and plans to fly people to Rwanda and the like is all smoke and mirrors. The issue there is that the people who are here desperate to make a life for themselves and thus to contribute to society as a whole are stuck in the same system as the people who really are potentially dangerous and should be refused entry. Such a failed system leads to events like what happened in Ireland yesterday.

Fantastic post