Everton

[blackpoolhibs]

Deducted 10 points. :greengrin

[CallumLaidlaw]

Chelsea and City will be rather smug.

I think they’ll stay up.


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[HoboHarry]

Chelsea and City will be rather smug.

I think they’ll stay up.


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On current form they certainly will. Not easy to watch but they are getting results and the deduction only puts them equal with Burnley at the bottom, not miles behind.

[Baader]

Man City with 115 outstanding FFP charges. Be interesting to see what they get... Probably just a fine :rolleyes:

[SteveHFC]

Man City with 115 outstanding FFP charges. Be interesting to see what they get... Probably just a fine :rolleyes:

Hopefully Everton make a complaint if City just get a fine.

[weecounty hibby]

Disgrace. Almost every club in the English top flight could be caught by FFP rules, some worse than others, and Everton aren't even close to the top of the list

[HoboHarry]

Disgrace. Almost every club in the English top flight could be caught by FFP rules, some worse than others, and Everton aren't even close to the top of the list
They lost 124M in three years - genuine question but which clubs lost more? Genuinely curious.

[MWHIBBIES]

City will be in big trouble for not only cheating but hiding it and not co-operating.

[hibsforeurope]

So if Everton's 1 charge results in a 10 point deduction, Man City must be looking on nervously with their 115 charges.

[Trinity Hibee]

Same old football. All clubs not held to same standards. Erodes any integrity that PL/UEFA/FIFA all claim to have.

[Scouse Hibee]

Oh dear, should City be worried? And then who’s next…….

[Just_Jimmy]

So if Everton's 1 charge results in a 10 point deduction, Man City must be looking on nervously with their 115 charges.Sweep sweep...

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[HoboHarry]

Sweep sweep...

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Not so sure about that. Haven't the adjudications been sent to an independent body?

[Donegal Hibby]

A point deduction on city would be good for Liverpool as it would put them top just now , they probably are the 2nd best team in the premier league at the minute anyhow.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1836180/Chelsea-Man-City-Premier-League-everton

[Hibs4185]

Rangers would be awarded 10 points if we had FFP in Scotland

[MWHIBBIES]

A point deduction on city would be good for Liverpool as it would put them top just now , they probably are the 2nd best team in the premier league at the minute anyhow.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1836180/Chelsea-Man-City-Premier-League-everton

And Arsenal, who would be awarded last season's title.

Liverpool may pick up a couple too.

[ScottB]

Ultimately, I doubt they want to give points deductions to anyone, so if you could plausibly cover it up, you’ll be fine.

Having a £200million hole in your budget and openly complaining about it probably doesn’t give much room for fudging it…

[Bridge hibs]

Rangers would be awarded 10 points if we had FFP in ScotlandAnd a penalty kick or two

[ScottB]

And Arsenal, who would be awarded last season's title.

Liverpool may pick up a couple too.

I don’t think past titles are ever awarded to anyone? Don’t think Juventus’ were spread out among the other clubs in Italy after their cheating etc.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t think past titles are ever awarded to anyone? Don’t think Juventus’ were spread out among the other clubs in Italy after their cheating etc.

Inter were awarded the 2006 serie a title.

You're right though. I was only joking. They'd probably be voided.

[MKHIBEE]

And Arsenal, who would be awarded last season's title.

Liverpool may pick up a couple too.

surely that would go to Rangers? All things being ………… something or other.

[Billy Whizz]

Reading yesterday that Man City’s wage bill is over £400million
Unbelievable amount of money

[davym7062]

Rangers would be awarded 10 points if we had FFP in Scotland

:not worth:not worth

[cabbageandribs1875]

Burnley, Leicester & Leeds quite rightly set to sue Everton for £300m, i said last season Everton should have been deducted points & relegated, Leicester would have stayed up last season if Everton had been dealt with far quicker, Burnley the prrvious season would have stayed up with Everton relegated, they've been at it the last few seasons, they even wanted to buy Gnonto from Leeds for £20m before start of season, 10 points is not enough because it's not sufficient enough punishment, other clubs have suffered huge losses due to the EPL extremely reluctant to cause any disruption/scandal to their precious league.

[Pagan Hibernia]

10 points to Rangers.

Only fair that Everton's points go to the King's Eleven

[Aldo]

Reading yesterday that Man City’s wage bill is over £400million
Unbelievable amount of money

Crazy however their turnover was in region of £725 million

[MWHIBBIES]

Crazy however their turnover was in region of £725 million

Couple dozen made up sponsors pumping money in will help with that.

[supermcginn]

Disgrace. Almost every club in the English top flight could be caught by FFP rules, some worse than others, and Everton aren't even close to the top of the list

Do some research, they have got lucky getting only 10 points and more importantly getting them just now instead of last season.

[Since90+2]

I read the other day Man City's turnover this year at about £720 million is the highest ever for a football club.

Not commenting on the club ownership but that is incredible when you think where they were 15 years or so ago.

On Everton, it's a big enough deterrent to other clubs but probably small enough that they will still stay up.

[The Veteran]

Chelsea and City will be rather smug.

I think they’ll stay up.


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I too think that Chelsea and City will stay up. :aok:

[Billy Whizz]

Burnley, Leicester & Leeds quite rightly set to sue Everton for £300m, i said last season Everton should have been deducted points & relegated, Leicester would have stayed up last season if Everton had been dealt with far quicker, Burnley the prrvious season would have stayed up with Everton relegated, they've been at it the last few seasons, they even wanted to buy Gnonto from Leeds for £20m before start of season, 10 points is not enough because it's not sufficient enough punishment, other clubs have suffered huge losses due to the EPL extremely reluctant to cause any disruption/scandal to their precious league.

If the other clubs were to sue them for the monies you mention above, plus Southampton and Nottingham Forest, could they potentially go bust?

[neil7908]

Oh dear, should City be worried? And then who’s next…….

Nah. English authorities are the same as up here - no interest in going after the big clubs.

Chelsea and City have been doing shady stuff for years and as we sit here today, it's only Everton that are getting any serious action taken.

This is the same football authority that was happy to approve the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as the owner of Newcastle after all.

[Irish_Steve]

Rangers would be awarded 10 points if we had FFP in Scotland

*** fans would more rather have FTP

[HoboHarry]

Nah. English authorities are the same as up here - no interest in going after the big clubs.

Chelsea and City have been doing shady stuff for years and as we sit here today, it's only Everton that are getting any serious action taken.

This is the same football authority that was happy to approve the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as the owner of Newcastle after all.
City are charged with 115 counts but are not cooperating as well as they could be. I'll be amazed if they aren't hammered, they got away with it a couple of years back and I'm quite sure the FA lawyers sharpened their collective minds at that point.

[May21/05/216]

The will win the appeal as the ffp leaked that everton were over by 20 million
everton had agreed a price of 80 million to sell richarldson to spurs
But they pulled the plug on the deal
And everton accepted 60
Million as they thought the would get a fine
They thought wrong



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[supermcginn]

5 clubs suing Everton and rightly so, all been relegated due to Everton's cheating.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

The will win the appeal as the ffp leaked that everton were over by 20 million
everton had agreed a price of 80 million to sell richarldson to spurs
But they pulled the plug on the deal
And everton accepted 60
Million as they thought the would get a fine
They thought wrong



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Yeah seems that the Toffees have been well and truly shafted by this decision. Should be able to overturn this on appeal.

[Since90+2]

5 clubs suing Everton and rightly so, all been relegated due to Everton's cheating.

That will be hard to prove though. It's likely, but not guaranteed that Everton would have been relegated if they'd played players on lesser salaries.

[Since90+2]

City are charged with 115 counts but are not cooperating as well as they could be. I'll be amazed if they aren't hammered, they got away with it a couple of years back and I'm quite sure the FA lawyers sharpened their collective minds at that point.

City will also have the best legal representation money can buy.

Its completely wrong but I'd guess they'll get them a lesser charge.

[HoboHarry]

City will also have the best legal representation money can buy.
Completely agree, it's probably the reason that it is taking a while, all of them will need to be on their A game.

[HoboHarry]

City will also have the best legal representation money can buy.

Its completely wrong but I'd guess they'll get them a lesser charge.
The FA will only have to win one of the 115 for them to impose a penalty similar to Everton - the precedent has been set.

[May21/05/216]

Yeah seems that the Toffees have been well and truly shafted by this decision. Should be able to overturn this on appeal.I don't often agree with Gary neville but the ffp is a complete nonsense


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[ScottB]

At this point, you either need to restrict spending to a percentage of turnover, or, just let the mad billionaires spend whatever they want until they get bored and the whole thing collapses.

[MWHIBBIES]

5 clubs suing Everton and rightly so, all been relegated due to Everton's cheating.

Would imagine dozens will sue City. Lost cups, titles, European spots. That's real cheating.

[HoboHarry]

I don't often agree with Gary neville but the ffp is a complete nonsense


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In what respect?

[May21/05/216]

His argument is that ffp in the Premier league is a nonsense
When you see what the big two in Spain are up to
And now we have the Saudi league to which I'm told that they're getting a invite to next year's champions league

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[Glory Lurker]

If we're at the point where we're talking about clubs maybe suing other clubs for spending hundreds of millions more than they should, because that might have cost the suing clubs hundreds of millions, then anybody who follows clubs in that league and thinks they are the heir/ess to their club's history is having a laugh.

[Green Reaper]

His argument is that ffp in the Premier league is a nonsense
When you see what the big two in Spain are up to
And now we have the Saudi league to which I'm told that they're getting a invite to next year's champions league

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It's all just sucking the soul out of fitba'

[The Veteran]

His argument is that ffp in the Premier league is a nonsense
When you see what the big two in Spain are up to
And now we have the Saudi league to which I'm told that they're getting a invite to next year's champions league

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You've been told? :rolleyes:



LOL

[gbhibby]

His argument is that ffp in the Premier league is a nonsense
When you see what the big two in Spain are up to
And now we have the Saudi league to which I'm told that they're getting a invite to next year's champions league

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The rich get richer UEFA need to take a long hard look at themselves as they have organised their tournaments to suit the big nations. The smaller nations should get a larger share of the pot of money so that they can catch up.

[Alex Trager]

His argument is that ffp in the Premier league is a nonsense
When you see what the big two in Spain are up to
And now we have the Saudi league to which I'm told that they're getting a invite to next year's champions league

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His argument is that the big clubs (man utd etc) wanted ffp in place to protect them and their status as the biggest clubs so someone couldn’t ‘do a man city’ and buy their way to the top.

He says that’s not what the sport should be about. There should be checks and balances in place to protect clubs from dodgey owners, but to prohibit their spending to the extreme that the biggest clubs are continually out of reach is a crap way of operating.

He’s right.

You can bet your bottom dollar Celtic and Rangers would be the same if we got bankrolled to the title.

[7Hero]

Reading yesterday that Man City’s wage bill is over £400million
Unbelievable amount of money

City made a £90m profit same year, Mind boggingly though the wage bill is sustainable at that profit level.

[heretoday]

Everton are playing well enough to swim clear of relegation again. And the fans have now got a grievance to spur them on to greater efforts.

[neil7908]

His argument is that the big clubs (man utd etc) wanted ffp in place to protect them and their status as the biggest clubs so someone couldn’t ‘do a man city’ and buy their way to the top.

He says that’s not what the sport should be about. There should be checks and balances in place to protect clubs from dodgey owners, but to prohibit their spending to the extreme that the biggest clubs are continually out of reach is a crap way of operating.

He’s right.

You can bet your bottom dollar Celtic and Rangers would be the same if we got bankrolled to the title.

Agreed. I hate all the dodgy owners in football and it's become a vehicle for sports washing and geo political machinations.

But the horse has bolted. No point closing the stable door now. All that does is protect the elite from any attempt at competition. Either football wants the investment or it doesn't. FFP only protects the wealthy at the expense of the rest. It's just another Super League.

[Up-the-slope]

Whats the most crazy is the closed club EPL 'rules' allow a £105 million aggregated loss over 3 year cycle... thats not running a 'business' thats pure speculation and rolling the dice to stay in the club... they rolled it once too many times and were almost £20 over the allowed loss.

Every EPL club is playing the game - just some bend the 'rules' too far. llike every other business / person with debts football clubs are going to be in the brown smelly stuff when they have to refinance given current bank rates... look at debts Man U were saddled with by the Glazers. debts which the club has to pay... many other examples. only those who have 'soft' loans will not suffer

[cabbageandribs1875]

If the other clubs were to sue them for the monies you mention above, plus Southampton and Nottingham Forest, could they potentially go bust?


if the claims by the three clubs i've mentioned are successful then the group that are taking over Everton have said they won't be paying millions in compensation, according to some KC guy they will get the go ahead to claim but he doesn't think it will be the £100m each club, of course if Everton go into Admin then that's another 9 points docked.


they must have thought they were untouchable, they will be forking out a lot in salary alone just for covering Jack Harrison's loan deal from Leeds and also attempting to buy Gnonto from Leeds for at least another £20m...Leeds did them a favour by knocking back that bid.


they're in a bit of a pickle, or sticky toffee even

[Haymaker]

You've been told? :rolleyes:



LOL

Many reports UEFA are considering inviting them because they are now the 3rd "most supported" team in the world.

[Haymaker]

At this point, you either need to restrict spending to a percentage of turnover, or, just let the mad billionaires spend whatever they want until they get bored and the whole thing collapses.

Problem with restriction to a % is the same teams will always win because they turn over more money and therefore can spend more.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It’s an outrageous punishment and should be overturned. Ten point deduction for one breach of FFP relating to costs for the new stadium. Meanwhile Man City have 115 breaches pending - silence. Chelsea have even turned themselves in to the FA for financial doping - silence.

Everton have every right to be outraged. It’s a single technical breach which the FA report concedes was not done to gain any competitive advantage. If punishments are to be proportionate to the crimes, then we will see Man City and Chelsea sent to the National League.

It’s a bizarre ruling, iMHO.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Burnley, Leicester & Leeds quite rightly set to sue Everton for £300m, i said last season Everton should have been deducted points & relegated, Leicester would have stayed up last season if Everton had been dealt with far quicker, Burnley the prrvious season would have stayed up with Everton relegated, they've been at it the last few seasons, they even wanted to buy Gnonto from Leeds for £20m before start of season, 10 points is not enough because it's not sufficient enough punishment, other clubs have suffered huge losses due to the EPL extremely reluctant to cause any disruption/scandal to their precious league.

I completely disagree.

1, Everton’s net spend in the past five years is the third lowest in the EPL.

2, They have sold players on the cheap and let others go, in order to ensure FFP compliance.

3, the ten point deduction relates to a £19.5 million overspend on their new stadium. This wouldn't have happened at all but for a stadium naming rights sponsor being cancelled, due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.I think it was a Russian company.

4, The FA report even says that the Everton breach of FFP gained them no competitive advantage as it relates to stadium costs.

It’s a huge injustice to take ten points from them.

[Hibernia&Alba]

By the way, Everton also made every effort to comply with FFP, as I said above. Contrast that with Man City: one of their charges is refusing to cooperate with the FA. Nothing suspicious there…..

City and Chelsea have been up to all sorts to circumvent FFP. To their credit, at least Chelsea are holding their hands up and giving the FA all the documents.

[Dmas]

By the way, Everton also made every effort to comply with FFP, as I said above. Contrast that with Man City: one of their charges is refusing to cooperate with the FA. Nothing suspicious there…..

City and Chelsea have been up to all sorts to circumvent FFP. To their credit, at least Chelsea are holding their hands up and giving the FA all the documents.

Henry Winter’s show this morning with David Davis they mentioned they had been caught attempting to hide some losses off as part of the new stadium construction, Everton doing there best to sly out of it themselves

[Hibernia&Alba]

Henry Winter’s show this morning with David Davis they mentioned they had been caught attempting to hide some losses off as part of the new stadium construction, Everton doing there best to sly out of it themselves

Is that what the FA report says? I haven’t read it myself, but none of the analyses I have read mention it. They claim the FA states no competitive advantage was gained by Everton and £19.5 million stadium overspend only occurred as a consequence of the cancellation of a naming rights deal when the Ukraine war began.

Ten points for one breach, for what amounts to small change in EPL financial terms, seems incredibly harsh. They acted quickly too, when other clubs have been breaking the rules for years. It will be interesting to see how the likes of Man City and Chelsea are punished now. The bar has been set very high.

[McD]

By the way, Everton also made every effort to comply with FFP, as I said above. Contrast that with Man City: one of their charges is refusing to cooperate with the FA. Nothing suspicious there…..

City and Chelsea have been up to all sorts to circumvent FFP. To their credit, at least Chelsea are holding their hands up and giving the FA all the documents.



I wouldn’t be giving any credit to Chelsea, they’re only holding their hands up to historical stuff that they’re being very distinct about saying was all to do with Abramovich, nothing to do with us. All whilst they’re signing players to ridiculous deals so they can stretch out the yearly amortisation, and their owners have links to Saudi, who miraculously signed all the players they wanted rid of at high prices…

[DH1875]

Many reports UEFA are considering inviting them because they are now the 3rd "most supported" team in the world.

Four Four two magazines had an article on it a couple of months ago. 100% happening in next couple of years.

[heretoday]

His argument is that ffp in the Premier league is a nonsense
When you see what the big two in Spain are up to
And now we have the Saudi league to which I'm told that they're getting a invite to next year's champions league

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It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I completely disagree.

1, Everton’s net spend in the past five years is the third lowest in the EPL.

2, They have sold players on the cheap and let others go, in order to ensure FFP compliance.

3, the ten point deduction relates to a £19.5 million overspend on their new stadium. This wouldn't have happened at all but for a stadium naming rights sponsor being cancelled, due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.I think it was a Russian company.

4, The FA report even says that the Everton breach of FFP gained them no competitive advantage as it relates to stadium costs.

It’s a huge injustice to take ten points from them.

tough :) anyways, charged again along with Nottingham Forest with breaching Premier League profitability and sustainability rules https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/13048863/everton-and-nottingham-forest-charged-with-breaching-premier-league-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

The Premier League says both clubs have confirmed they are in breach of the rules for the assessment period ending season 2022/23.

[greenlex]

tough :) anyways, charged again along with Nottingham Forest with breaching Premier League profitability and sustainability rules https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/13048863/everton-and-nottingham-forest-charged-with-breaching-premier-league-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

The Premier League says both clubs have confirmed they are in breach of the rules for the assessment period ending season 2022/23.
Whatever happened to Man City’s multiple breaches?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Whatever happened to Man City’s multiple breaches?


they appear to be taking a long time dealing with Man City for some reason


In February 2023, Manchester City were charged by the Premier League (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12804577/man-city-charged-by-premier-league-for-numerous-alleged-breaches-of-financial-rules) with numerous alleged breaches of financial rules. The alleged breaches span a period from the 2009/10 season to the 2017/18 campaign. The club are alleged to have breached league rules requiring provision "in utmost good faith" of "accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club's financial position".
In August 2023, it was announced the Premier League is investigating Chelsea (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12936215/premier-league-investigating-chelsea-for-potential-financial-breaches-during-roman-abramovichs-ownership) for potential financial rule breaches during Roman Abramovich's ownership of the club.

[ScottB]

The problem is the way the system is designed, the bigger, richer clubs can employ armies of accountants, shell companies, arms length sponsors and so on to cook the books, meanwhile the smaller ones, overspending in a futile attempt to keep up, can’t.

If the English league wants to try and prevent a certain level of indebtedness, it’s need to be done in a way that is very easy to police, so whether that’s a wage cap, a budget cap or a turnover ratio etc that might help.

[Irish_Steve]

Whatever happened to Man City’s multiple breaches?

Man City can afford better lawyers than Everton???

[hibeerealist]

It’s an outrageous punishment and should be overturned. Ten point deduction for one breach of FFP relating to costs for the new stadium. Meanwhile Man City have 115 breaches pending - silence. Chelsea have even turned themselves in to the FA for financial doping - silence.

Everton have every right to be outraged. It’s a single technical breach which the FA report concedes was not done to gain any competitive advantage. If punishments are to be proportionate to the crimes, then we will see Man City and Chelsea sent to the National League.

It’s a bizarre ruling, iMHO.


Agree 100%,Everton being hung out to dry here they have not gained any football advantage its been spent on the new stadium FFS. The EPL are backing themselves into a corner with this as the Man City one will prove!!

[ancient hibee]

I was reading at the weekend that the Premiership fair play rules are all being revamped at the end of the season.

[Just_Jimmy]

Whatever happened to Man City’s multiple breaches?Swept under the carpet.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Whatever happened to Man City’s multiple breaches?

All 115 of them have to be discussed between the club and the FA. It's the sheer volume of things that is the issue.

[HoboHarry]

Swept under the carpet.

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Not so. I think it's a pretty complex legal issue and will take a while to be resolved though.

[Steven79]

Not so. I think it's a pretty complex legal issue and will take a while to be resolved though.And in the meantime City are winning trebles...

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[HoboHarry]

And in the meantime City are winning trebles...

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Oh I get it. Last time they were tossed out of Europe though they won against UEFA at arbitration and the FA can't afford to have that happen to them. If the FA win, anything short of stripping their titles will be met with ridicule based on Evertons punishment.

[neil7908]

Financial Fair Play is the biggest joke in football.

Designed to appease the big clubs like Barca and Real Madrid. It's no different from the Super League.

How anyone can look at this system, see Everton and Forest punished while Chelsea spend £1bn and City are waiting years for any action and suggest it's fair is beyond me.

Total stitch up.

[CropleyWasGod]

The hearing into City's case is likely to be in the autumn of this year.

The decision will be months later.

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/premier-league-confirm-date-has-been-set-for-man-citys-rule-break-charges-hearing-418956

[Just_Jimmy]

Not so. I think it's a pretty complex legal issue and will take a while to be resolved though.After which it'll be swept under the carpet.

What should happen, is every trophy won should be stripped. The message that sportswashing and cheating will not be tolerated should be shown loud and clear.

It won't be however, and we might as well pack up and go home.

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[CropleyWasGod]

After which it'll be swept under the carpet.

What should happen, is every trophy won should be stripped. The message that sportswashing and cheating will not be tolerated should be shown loud and clear.

It won't be however, and we might as well pack up and go home.

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Think of it another way.

If this were a legal case, with 115 charges, both sides would need a long time to prepare their case. That's why it is taking so long to even come to a hearing.

Once the hearing has taken place, it's going to take a while to come to a decision on every one of those charges. That way, there's a better chance of a just outcome than just doing it quickly.

[jacomo]

Financial Fair Play is the biggest joke in football.

Designed to appease the big clubs like Barca and Real Madrid. It's no different from the Super League.

How anyone can look at this system, see Everton and Forest punished while Chelsea spend £1bn and City are waiting years for any action and suggest it's fair is beyond me.

Total stitch up.


I agree that it doesn’t seem fair, but it’s not the biggest joke.

A bigger joke is Everton being bought by a Russian gangster, lying about that, spending something like £500m on players to create a worse team, and then trying to sell up before the ***** really hits the fan.

Football is dirty and corrupt.

[Johnny Clash]

I agree that it doesn’t seem fair, but it’s not the biggest joke.

A bigger joke is Everton being bought by a Russian gangster, lying about that, spending something like £500m on players to create a worse team, and then trying to sell up before the ***** really hits the fan.

Football is dirty and corrupt.

it makes you wonder how teams coped over 150 years without billionaire owners or human rights abusing countries taking over clubs and chucking millions into teams. Forest managed to win the European Cup twice (cheated out a 3rd) without mind boggling tv money or the cash from a mega rich shipping tycoon!

[Winston Ingram]

This thread explains the Forest/Everton situation

https://x.com/johncrossmirror/status/1747187585884017065?s=61&t=WQcv92feu62WUfbidLejfg

[Steven79]

it makes you wonder how teams coped over 150 years without billionaire owners or human rights abusing countries taking over clubs and chucking millions into teams. Forest managed to win the European Cup twice (cheated out a 3rd) without mind boggling tv money or the cash from a mega rich shipping tycoon!They weren't cheated out a 3rd it was the UEFA cup they were cheated out of as the ref was bribed.

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[Just_Jimmy]

Think of it another way.

If this were a legal case, with 115 charges, both sides would need a long time to prepare their case. That's why it is taking so long to even come to a hearing.

Once the hearing has taken place, it's going to take a while to come to a decision on every one of those charges. That way, there's a better chance of a just outcome than just doing it quickly.Or Man City within 10 years go from pretty insignificant, to the best club side in the world and "there's nothing to see".

That doesn't happen. It's bent and it should be punished. There's no smoke without fire.

They'll get a slap on the wrist at best but I've not doubt at all that it'll be swept under the carpet asap.

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[HoboHarry]

Or Man City within 10 years go from pretty insignificant, to the best club side in the world and "there's nothing to see".

That doesn't happen. It's bent and it should be punished. There's no smoke without fire.

They'll get a slap on the wrist at best but I've not doubt at all that it'll be swept under the carpet asap.

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You keep saying that but the precedent has been set with Everton. I expect a fairly brutal outcome for City if found guilty.

[Just_Jimmy]

You keep saying that but the precedent has been set with Everton. I expect a fairly brutal outcome for City if found guilty.Let's hope so for sporting integrity's sake.

We in Scotland know how bent the game is however.

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[LewysGot2]

Just read they'll get the outcome of the next lot of charges against them this week? For 21/22

Over 22/23 season financial issues for last year, too. Operated with a £89 million loss?

Could be very significant for them at this stage of the season 🤔😳

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I’ve long said the footballl authorities have been asleep at the wheel. Everton supporters even setup a campaign iirc something like “the 101 percenters” - clubs that couldn’t afford to do what they did (spent more than they took in) but couldn’t afford to be relegated either.

FIFA / UEFA and the country leagues are focusing on the wrong thing - they have prioritised the development of the game over the sustainability. They really need to protect the clubs against the selves…

[Billy Whizz]

I’ve long said the footballl authorities have been asleep at the wheel. Everton supporters even setup a campaign iirc something like “the 101 percenters” - clubs that couldn’t afford to do what they did (spent more than they took in) but couldn’t afford to be relegated either.

FIFA / UEFA and the country leagues are focusing on the wrong thing - they have prioritised the development of the game over the sustainability. They really need to protect the clubs against the selves…

Some of the losses you see in clubs in the English Premier league and championship is incredible
Think Leicester have just been charged with massive losses, and they’ve been in the top league for a while

I’m not sure if the football governance bill in England will sort out this

[LewysGot2]

Apparently they released the figures for 22/23 in the middle of the Arsenal City game...on Easter Sunday.

Looks like trying to avoid being a headline on Monday's back pages.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Some of the losses you see in clubs in the English Premier league and championship is incredible
Think Leicester have just been charged with massive losses, and they’ve been in the top league for a while

I’m not sure if the football governance bill in England will sort out this

its wishful thinking but logically there needs to be an independent body looking at this.

Though When you look at the track record of regulators in the Uk you see the futility of it.

[Lancs Harp]

Some staggering numbers in those accounts. Wages account for 92% of turnover. Thats eye watering. "Borrowings" £341 million.

[The Wireless]

Have given up trying to work out how this FFP punishment criteria and points deduction are decided. It seems to roll over for some clubs but not others? The fog of transparency is creating a serious contender and challenge to a penalty for Rangers.

[Centre Hawf]

Have given up trying to work out how this FFP punishment criteria and points deduction are decided. It seems to roll over for some clubs but not others? The fog of transparency is creating a serious contender and challenge to a penalty for Rangers.

I think the issue FFP seems to have is that it allows bigger revenue generators to continue to spend more money and the rest have a bit of a ceiling placed on them, but as we all know now you need to spend money to win anything or even qualify for a Champions League/Europa League place down there. But one cup win and qualification doesn't make you a super club either so it feels like we're going to constantly be in a cycle where an Aston Villa sign some top players, get themselves in the top 5 before having to drop down to the bottom half again because they sold their players to pass FFP. While Man City/Man United etc all can consistently generate huge levels of income to maintain the status quo.

What the sport needs is a proper salary cap implemented, but they'll never go for that.

[MKHIBEE]

Have given up trying to work out how this FFP punishment criteria and points deduction are decided. It seems to roll over for some clubs but not others? The fog of transparency is creating a serious contender and challenge to a penalty for Rangers.

Expect more penalties to Rangers in that case

[blackpoolhibs]

Further 2 points deducted.

[Scouse Hibee]

FFS…. deduction……. given back……. deduction…… becoming a farce

[He's here!]

Further 2 points deducted.

How come struggling clubs like Everton and Forest seem to get their cases processed so quickly yet City's has been dragging on for what seems years?

[blackpoolhibs]

How come struggling clubs like Everton and Forest seem to get their cases processed so quickly yet City's has been dragging on for what seems years?

I think it's because they have admitted the charges againt them.

[Scouse Hibee]

Will City be deducted any before the end of the season? I very much doubt it.

[MWHIBBIES]

How come struggling clubs like Everton and Forest seem to get their cases processed so quickly yet City's has been dragging on for what seems years?

Because they have cooperated and processing 1 charge is easier than 115.

[Bostonhibby]

Man city must be facing a deduction of about 300 points when you look at how forest and everton have been dealt with.

[Billy Whizz]

Man city must be facing a deduction of about 300 points when you look at how forest and everton have been dealt with.

What are the implications for City if they were to be found guilty, both in England and Europe

[Bostonhibby]

What are the implications for City if they were to be found guilty, both in England and EuropeThey will have to pay their lawyers even more money and get their owners to use even more of their leverage with the authorities to keep this in the long grass even longer?

Before a new city of rules are devised, the City's & Chelsea's of this world all rush to support them then we hear very little else about what went before?

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[Scouse Hibee]

Because they have cooperated and processing 1 charge is easier than 115.

They should break it down and deal with the charges against City in smaller portions.10 charges at a time.

[Bostonhibby]

They should break it down and deal with the charges against City in smaller portions.10 charges at a time.They'd only do that if City's lawyers told them it was alright. The tail will be wagging the dog here I think.

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[MWHIBBIES]

They'd only do that if City's lawyers told them it was alright. The tail will be wagging the dog here I think.

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Doubt it. You think Everton, Forest etc can't afford good lawyers?

City are going to get ****ed. Big cases take time.

[Bostonhibby]

Doubt it. You think Everton, Forest etc can't afford good lawyers?

City are going to get ****ed. Big cases take time.Just a feeling, I hope you're right.

City's owners will likely have a bit of leverage that lesser club's don't. Forest's owner's face doesnt always fit with the authorities, he occasionally goes his own way.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

wow, take that Everton

a mega two points deduction lol

slap on the wrist, after an appeal they will probably get 3 points back


i was reading the other day a lot of the "big" clubs want an increase in the FFP rules so they can lose even more each season in the League of Milk and Honey

[neil7908]

Doubt it. You think Everton, Forest etc can't afford good lawyers?

City are going to get ****ed. Big cases take time.

I would be absolutely shocked if they end up in real trouble. They may get a judgement against them but it will be delayed, appealed and taken to the courts. It will take years and at the end nothing will happen.

We all know money talks in football and given how corrupt the game is, there is next to no chance they will see any real punishment.

[MWHIBBIES]

I would be absolutely shocked if they end up in real trouble. They may get a judgement against them but it will be delayed, appealed and taken to the courts. It will take years and at the end nothing will happen.

We all know money talks in football and given how corrupt the game is, there is next to no chance they will see any real punishment.

Why would they bring the case and then not punish them?

[MKHIBEE]

Why would they bring the case and then not punish them?
They are not guilty?

[MWHIBBIES]

They are not guilty?

They're extremely guilty, I don't think there is any doubt there. 115 charges, they've committed at least 1 of them.

They would've been found guilty by UEFA but there is a statute of limitations that saved them. That isn't the case with the premier league.

[MKHIBEE]

They're extremely guilty, I don't think there is any doubt there. 115 charges, they've committed at least 1 of them.

They would've been found guilty by UEFA but there is a statute of limitations that saved them. That isn't the case with the premier league.
I know, I hope they get absolutely hammered but I’m not holding my breath

[zitelli62]

I know, I hope they get absolutely hammered but I’m not holding my breath

Best lawyers in the world definitely help.

[neil7908]

Why would they bring the case and then not punish them?

I think there will be a punishment of sorts but I'm very sceptical about now severe it will be and if it will actually be enforced.

City were banned from the Champions League and fined £30m a few years back. What ended up happening? It got reduced to a £10m fine after going to the court of arbitration for sport.

This whole process is taking forever and will be dragged out as long as possible, appealed etc and by the end I don't think they will suffer. Maybe a fine that they can easily afford but they won't be getting relegated.

There are already rumours about rule changes to FFP as the EPL is worried about the league not being able to attract top players.

If City go down some of the biggest players in the league will be gone and that hits sponsorship and income. That ain't happening.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think there will be a punishment of sorts but I'm very sceptical about now severe it will be and if it will actually be enforced.

City were banned from the Champions League and fined £30m a few years back. What ended up happening? It got reduced to a £10m fine after going to the court of arbitration for sport.

This whole process is taking forever and will be dragged out as long as possible, appealed etc and by the end I don't think they will suffer. Maybe a fine that they can easily afford but they won't be getting relegated.

There are already rumours about rule changes to FFP as the EPL is worried about the league not being able to attract top players.

If City go down some of the biggest players in the league will be gone and that hits sponsorship and income. That ain't happening.

This isn't the spl. The premier league can live without man city quite easily. They did for long enough.

[Scouse Hibee]

What was it the PL said when ‘punishing’ the so called big 6 for trying to destroy the PL and setting up the Super League……

”You can’t impose on field punishment for an off field violation as it adversely effects the players and fans”🤔

And they did exactly that with Everton & Forest!
Make it make sense

[neil7908]

This isn't the spl. The premier league can live without man city quite easily. They did for long enough.

Losing Pep, Haaland, De Bruyne, Fodden etc would still be a huge loss. They are one of, if not the biggest draw in the league. Of course they can live without them but it would likely cost the league massive sums of money. That's a big no no.

[LewysGot2]

Losing Pep, Haaland, De Bruyne, Fodden etc would still be a huge loss. They are one of, if not the biggest draw in the league. Of course they can live without them but it would likely cost the league massive sums of money. That's a big no no.

What do you mean by "biggest draw"?

Attendances? TV viewing figures? Global shirt sales?

[MWHIBBIES]

Losing Pep, Haaland, De Bruyne, Fodden etc would still be a huge loss. They are one of, if not the biggest draw in the league. Of course they can live without them but it would likely cost the league massive sums of money. That's a big no no.

They are nothing like the biggest draw. Utterly dwarfed by United.

Premier league brings in big players and has big transfers every window. Those players places would be taken.

You think the real big clubs are going to be happy if City get let off? Theyd be in the super league within a week.

[JimBHibees]

What do you mean by "biggest draw"?

Attendances? TV viewing figures? Global shirt sales?

Recent trophies probably

[Hibernia&Alba]

Everton now hit twice, whilst Man City and Chelsea go on their merry way…..

[MWHIBBIES]

Everton now hit twice, whilst Man City and Chelsea go on their merry way…..

Is there an echo in here?

[cabbageandribs1875]

could be facing another 2-3 points deduction Everton to be ‘served’ another ‘two to three point deduction’ as ‘ludicrous’ FFP twist leaves Dyche seething (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/everton-to-be-served-another-two-to-three-point-deduction-as-ludicrous-ffp-twist-leaves-dyche-seething/ar-BB1lryNp?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3a11148908434d6891a0a7ac826aff57&ei=49)

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sheff United deducted 2 points next time they play in the Championship with another two suspended, the suspended two points will be activated if they default on any future payments in the agreement




no doubt Aston Villa will hopefully get the same if they're ever back down to the Championship, lucky gits escaping punishment when they got promoted to the League of milk and honey :agree:

[Victor]

It looks like Everton are losing out because they are not as clever as Man City and Chelsea at hiding their losses. They must have very honest or naive accountants.

[HerbDailly]

It looks like Everton are losing out because they are not as clever as Man City and Chelsea at hiding their losses. They must have very honest or naive accountants.I think it's more that their karma hasn't landed yet, they're going to be made to hurt much much more, potentially titles stripped.
Who knows, it could be the catalyst for their mega rich owners to take football over and start this continental league.

[TrinityHFC]

It looks like Everton are losing out because they are not as clever as Man City and Chelsea at hiding their losses. They must have very honest or naive accountants.

Aren’t they losing out because they broke the rules?

[ekhibee]

Is the parachute payment still something like £170 million? Poor wee souls.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Is the parachute payment still something like £170 million? Poor wee souls.


Leeds got £44m for this season, if they don't go up they will get £36m 2024/25 and £16m 2025/26

[MWHIBBIES]

It looks like Everton are losing out because they are not as clever as Man City and Chelsea at hiding their losses. They must have very honest or naive accountants.

Man City have 115 charges against them. I don't think they are clever. Everton are cooperating for a reduced punishment.

[Victor]

Aren’t they losing out because they broke the rules?

There are a lot of clubs, including Man City and Chelsea that have broken the rules, but Everton are being penalised. Another poster suggested that Everton have accepted some sort of ‘plea bargain’ to mitigate their punishment, but I think it’s because they are an easier target for the authorities to pursue, than going after the ‘big boys’. It is akin to the DWP prosecuting carers who have earned a few pounds more than they should have, instead of pursuing those who make a career out of defrauding them.

[MWHIBBIES]

There are a lot of clubs, including Man City and Chelsea that have broken the rules, but Everton are being penalised. Another poster suggested that Everton have accepted some sort of ‘plea bargain’ to mitigate their punishment, but I think it’s because they are an easier target for the authorities to pursue, than going after the ‘big boys’. It is akin to the DWP prosecuting carers who have earned a few pounds more than they should have, instead of pursuing those who make a career out of defrauding them.

I'm not suggesting anything. It's a fact. Everton have cooperated and given all the documentation asked for. Manchester City have not. That is why Evertons case has been handled quickly. Many of Manchester City's charges are for failing to handover documents that the premier league have asked for.

[bod]

Saw some journalist on Twitter saying Everton & Forrest ( when contesting the 1st breach )admitting the crime & seeking a reduced sentence while Chelsea & city were denying any crime had been committed

[CropleyWasGod]

There are a lot of clubs, including Man City and Chelsea that have broken the rules, but Everton are being penalised. Another poster suggested that Everton have accepted some sort of ‘plea bargain’ to mitigate their punishment, but I think it’s because they are an easier target for the authorities to pursue, than going after the ‘big boys’. It is akin to the DWP prosecuting carers who have earned a few pounds more than they should have, instead of pursuing those who make a career out of defrauding them.

They are going after City, though. 115 times.

[LunasBoots]

There are a lot of clubs, including Man City and Chelsea that have broken the rules, but Everton are being penalised. Another poster suggested that Everton have accepted some sort of ‘plea bargain’ to mitigate their punishment, but I think it’s because they are an easier target for the authorities to pursue, than going after the ‘big boys’. It is akin to the DWP prosecuting carers who have earned a few pounds more than they should have, instead of pursuing those who make a career out of defrauding them.

They are going after City aswell, it's alot of charges to go through that City are denying to all, apparently they are trying to get the rules changed so that they'll just get a fine instead of a points deduction though.

[Victor]

They are going after City, though. 115 times.

I won’t hold my breath that anything will come of it. The whole English set up reeks of corruption. It would be interesting to see Man City’s owners reaction to being fined and having points deducted. If they have 115 offences that would equate to being moved into the relegation spots. If they miss out on the title and European football would they withdraw from the Club?

[Hibiza]

How come struggling clubs like Everton and Forest seem to get their cases processed so quickly yet City's has been dragging on for what seems years?

International millionaire Lawyers.

[MWHIBBIES]

I won’t hold my breath that anything will come of it. The whole English set up reeks of corruption. It would be interesting to see Man City’s owners reaction to being fined and having points deducted. If they have 115 offences that would equate to being moved into the relegation spots. If they miss out on the title and European football would they withdraw from the Club?

What reeks of corruption, though? The league are bringing charges for breaching the rules. That is the opposite of corruption.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Jan2023- Jan 24

football Agents make a lot of money out of Chelsea and Man city huh



Premier League club
Net total paid to agents/intermediaries


1 - Chelsea
£75,140,524


2 - Manchester City
£60,626,025


3 - Manchester United
£34,054,001


4 - Liverpool
£31,500,211


5 - Arsenal
£24,760,875


6 - Aston Villa
£21,160,122


7 - Tottenham
£19,731,099


8 - Newcastle
£18,881,923


9 - Bournemouth
£15,999,925


10 - West Ham
£13,880,365


11 - Wolves
£13,392,541


12 - Nottingham Forest
£13,063,455


13 - Fulham
£12,062,906


14 - Brighton
£11,393,102


15 - Crystal Palace
£11,082,430


16 - Everton
£10,623,224


17 - Brentford
£8,147,957


18 - Burnley
£6,944,589


19 - Sheffield United
£5,127,509


20 - Luton Town
£2,020,146

[blackpoolhibs]

Here is a list of all the charges against Man City, hope the link works?

https://www.givemesport.com/football-soccer-man-city-ffp-charges-list/?link_source=ta_first_comment&taid=661fc0d4dfa1d4000149530a&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR10SLcLXS-o2GTFs_x_UcoAbkq1LbSMTssrDRTlCxT3L7QfC3xoDKpfx64_a em_AaB6TCZYhQaR50jqVvbRhlKd4cG8RSHbYWi6n9k9BH7hpR8 ui6XLd1ppjh-yJQ6f0pESx9k73asIp-KrWISFDfiV

[jacomo]

Man city must be facing a deduction of about 300 points when you look at how forest and everton have been dealt with.


How about 30 points a season for a decade?

[CropleyWasGod]

Here is a list of all the charges against Man City, hope the link works?

https://www.givemesport.com/football-soccer-man-city-ffp-charges-list/?link_source=ta_first_comment&taid=661fc0d4dfa1d4000149530a&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR10SLcLXS-o2GTFs_x_UcoAbkq1LbSMTssrDRTlCxT3L7QfC3xoDKpfx64_a em_AaB6TCZYhQaR50jqVvbRhlKd4cG8RSHbYWi6n9k9BH7hpR8 ui6XLd1ppjh-yJQ6f0pESx9k73asIp-KrWISFDfiV

Works fine, thanks :agree:

Those who are wanting swift justice will be disappointed. It will be summer next year before we have a verdict.

[jacomo]

What reeks of corruption, though? The league are bringing charges for breaching the rules. That is the opposite of corruption.


It’s wildly corrupt. Football clubs owned by foreign governments ffs. How could it not be?

[ScottB]

I won’t hold my breath that anything will come of it. The whole English set up reeks of corruption. It would be interesting to see Man City’s owners reaction to being fined and having points deducted. If they have 115 offences that would equate to being moved into the relegation spots. If they miss out on the title and European football would they withdraw from the Club?

Not sure how an owner can withdraw from a club? Put it up for sale do you mean?

[Victor]

Not sure how an owner can withdraw from a club? Put it up for sale do you mean?

Yes!

[Haymaker]

Saw some journalist on Twitter saying Everton & Forrest ( when contesting the 1st breach )admitting the crime & seeking a reduced sentence while Chelsea & city were denying any crime had been committedMight be wrong but I believe Chelsea have admitted the "irregularities" but are stressing that they were from the Abramovich Era and therefore shouldn't have an impact on today's team.


While they also try to flout the rules with the 8 year contracts etc etc

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[ChilliEater]

Might be wrong but I believe Chelsea have admitted the "irregularities" but are stressing that they were from the Abramovich Era and therefore shouldn't have an impact on today's team.


While they also try to flout the rules with the 8 year contracts etc etc

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That sounds a little like some sort of new club old club same club kind of approach. Surely nobody anywhere would swallow such nonsense 😜

[cabbageandribs1875]

Everton's prospective owners up in court in New York accused of a "fraudulent scheme" by a Lender Everton: Potential buyers 777 accused of fraud in court filing - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cprgxj4zlneo)