Youan - Luxury we cant afford?

[kentao]

Fully aware i am going against the grain here and good chance I'll get slaughtered but is Elie a luxury we can do without?

The amount of times he gives the ball away in dangerous areas with slack passing or trying to beat every man on the pitch and getting caught out. He was caught out twice tonight that led to a goal and a counter attack in the 1st half. He offers very little defensively either tracking back or man marking where he can be often caught ball watching. He has been very hot and cold in the last few weeks offering very little going forward, Even in the Hearts game he only decided to show up when we were 2-0 down (Thankfully he did show up). With his price tag and ability is it wrong to want more from him?

The difference in work rate with Jair on the other side is night and day. I also thought Jair offered far more in the attacking sense tonight with getting to the by line and cutting the ball back at least 3 times . If we are going to continue with Elie i feel he should be played as a striker to get around his weaknesses and to get Boyle back on the right.

[LaMotta]

Fully aware i am going against the grain here and good chance I'll get slaughtered but is Elie a luxury we can do without?

The amount of times he gives the ball away in dangerous areas with slack passing or trying to beat every man on the pitch and getting caught out. He was caught out twice tonight that led to a goal and a counter attack in the 1st half. He offers very little defensively either tracking back or man marking where he can be often caught ball watching. He has been very hot and cold in the last few weeks offering very little going forward, Even in the Hearts game he only decided to show up when we were 2-0 down (Thankfully he did show up). With his price tag and ability is it wrong to want more from him?

The difference in work rate with Jair on the other side is night and day. I also thought Jair offered far more in the attacking sense tonight with getting to the by line and cutting the ball back at least 3 times . If we are going to continue with Elie i feel he should be played as a striker to get around his weaknesses and to get Boyle back on the right.

We need him because he can do something out of nothing. He did it tonight - helped get us ahead with a bit of magic.

At that point though get him off. There were a number of options that could have shored things up if he had been subbed - most obvious is put on Lewis at LB then push Obita forward and switch Jair to the right. Jair has a good attitude and looks to have far better concentration defensively than Youan.

[sauzeelegod]

Agreed 100 %

[Callum_62]

Youan was sublime at our 2nd goal and poor at our 2nd goal conceded

He's frustrating but I wouldn't take him out our team

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[neil7908]

This is where I want to see the manager work with him and improve these other parts of his game.

Now that won't happen overnight, but one of the big part of the his job is to improve the players we have. Youan has so much potential and is still fairly young. Ditto with Miller - both are excellent players but need to be much smarter in game. That is all stuff that they should be working on in training.

We also need some bodies on the bench that we can trust to help us see off games.

[ancient hibee]

We need him because he can do something out of nothing. He did it tonight - helped get us ahead with a bit of magic.

At that point though get him off. There were a number of options that could have shored things up if he had been subbed - most obvious is put on Lewis at LB then push Obita forward and switch Jair to the right. Jair has a good attitude and looks to have far better concentration defensively than Youan.

Is that the same Stevenson who looked as if he’d never played left back before against Ross Co.?

[WeeRussell]

You shouldn’t get slaughtered as you’re entitled to your opinion and have articulated it well.

I disagree though. I think he might be a player we can’t afford within a year or so. He’s one of our most gifted players and has come up with big moments for us too.. remains very important for me. By all accounts he played well tonight up until ‘that’ late incident.

He has got a lot of learning to do though. No doubt. But take Youan out our team and we’ll struggle even more for chances and excitement.

Not totally against the idea of him being up top though. Or, dare I say it, as part of a front 3.

[Shrekko]

He’s a match winner who does far more good than bad.

Also feel his decision making is improving this season.

Unfortunate moment tonight but it’s just the way things are going for the team in general. Youan is one of our best players - it’s that simple for me.

Hibs fans claim they want flair and excitement- he gives us that.

[wookie70]

He is like Scott Allan for me. Different player yes but similar in that we lose the ball all the time when he is involved, he doesn't do enough off the ball, particularly when it is his fault we have lost it, but he is probably our most likely player to make something happen. I was never a great fan of Allan because I just don't accept players who don't at least try off the ball, I have a similar view of Elie. The difference is I think Elie will continue to improve and he certainly has the physique and engine to be a complete player. He just needs the heart and brain now to get there. I would say his form has went down recently and now Jair is playing well we can maybe sit Elie out for a game or two assuming Boyle can play.

[Pagan Hibernia]

He’s a match winner who does far more good than bad.

Also feel his decision making is improving this season.

Unfortunate moment tonight but it’s just the way things are going for the team in general. Youan is one of our best players - it’s that simple for me.

Hibs fans claim they want flair and excitement- he gives us that.

Yep, I love watching him and am willing to excuse his (regular) brain farts

[Spudster]

I wouldn’t say as much a luxury we can’t afford. More he can’t play wide right in a 4-4-2 as he has little defensive abilities and also loses the ball too deep by trying too much with the ball (see tonight).

[The Harp Awakes]

Absolutely need him playing every week. The skill for the 2nd goal was top drawer.

He lost the ball on the half way line for their 2nd, but the defending after that was abysmal.

One of the few Hibs players who can produce something out of nothing.

[Onceinawhile]

Is that the same Stevenson who looked as if he’d never played left back before against Ross Co.?

The 2nd goal Lewis got caught between marking the winger and the full back cause youann hadn't bothered his arse to defend.

[California-Hibs]

He’s a match winner who does far more good than bad.

Also feel his decision making is improving this season.

Unfortunate moment tonight but it’s just the way things are going for the team in general. Youan is one of our best players - it’s that simple for me.

Hibs fans claim they want flair and excitement- he gives us that.

Saved me typing. 100%

[LaMotta]

Is that the same Stevenson who looked as if he’d never played left back before against Ross Co.?


The 2nd goal Lewis got caught between marking the winger and the full back cause youann hadn't bothered his arse to defend.

Exactly.:agree:

Obita has cost us 2 goals in the last 2 games - could be time for Lewis to come back in.

[TrinityHFC]

I wouldn’t say as much a luxury we can’t afford. More he can’t play wide right in a 4-4-2 as he has little defensive abilities and also loses the ball too deep by trying too much with the ball (see tonight).

Agree. Up to the manager to start getting more out of him again.

[Nicho87]

I’d play him up front. He’s the only one under NM who hasn’t been tried there. I think when we signed him he played and scored in the friendly over in Spain I think.

I think he could do a job through the middle with Vente especially if alf and doidge are out

[Chip shop Joe]

Someone described him a few weeks ago as our best player and our worst player often in the same game.

This sums him up perfectly!

[JimBHibees]

Thought he was very good tonight unfortunate miscontrol at the end.

[LaMotta]

I’d play him up front. He’s the only one under NM who hasn’t been tried there. I think when we signed him he played and scored in the friendly over in Spain I think.

I think he could do a job through the middle with Vente especially if alf and doidge are out

:agree: I think this is a great shout.

Remember last year when Nisbet got injured he actually played up front for a run of games before he got sent off at Celtic in March. He got 5 goals in 5 games as a striker through the middle before that Celtic game.

[JimBHibees]

Exactly.:agree:

Obita has cost us 2 goals in the last 2 games - could be time for Lewis to come back in.

The penalty decision was laughable to be fair

[The Modfather]

I think he’s an asset but deserves a spell out of the side at the moment if we had any viable alternatives. Probably same for Boyle.

[LaMotta]

The penalty decision was laughable to be fair

It was a clear tug from Obita so on that alone no complaints. That's a foul and penalty all day long.

The question is though that was there other fouls going on in the box before that against Hibs players? If so then should not be a pen.

[jeffers]

Forwards lose balls all the time, yes it was frustrating (as was his pass on Saturday that led to the Aberdeen goal) but the defending after it was what caused the goal imo. Youan frustrates the hell out of me but without him we wouldn’t have scored 2 tonight.

[JimBHibees]

It was a clear tug from Obita so on that alone no complaints. That's a foul and penalty all day long.

The question is though that was there other fouls going on in the box before that against Hibs players? If so then should not be a pen.

Nah incredibly soft decision. Nowhere near the ball minor tug boy dives. If that is a pen there should be ten a game.

[LaMotta]

Nah incredibly soft decision. Nowhere near the ball minor tug boy dives. If that is a pen there should be ten a game.

Amazes me that people watch games through such green tinted specs. It's a foul and a penalty every day of the week and has been since the introduction of Var. There are penalties like that throughout Scotland and England on a regular basis. Absolutely stupid from Obita.

[JimBHibees]

Amazes me that people watch games through such green tinted specs. It's a foul and a penalty every day of the week and has been since the introduction of Var. There are penalties like that throughout Scotland and England on a regular basis. Absolutely stupid from Obita.

Don't see it but you disagree that is fine. See much much worse fouls in the box ignored. Just because Rangers got one like that doesn't mean other teams should. Compare the pen on Saturday with that one.

[LaMotta]

Don't see it but you disagree that is fine. See much much worse fouls in the box ignored. Just because Rangers got one like that doesn't mean other teams should. Compare the pen on Saturday with that one.

You cant pull a guys shirt in the box these days - it's really that simple.

[JimBHibees]

You cant pull a guys shirt in the box these days - it's really that simple.

Then why do so many players not get pulled up for it simply because they all are not penalties.

[LaMotta]

Then why do so many players not get pulled up for it simply because they all are not penalties.

Show me a similar incident that wasn't given as a penalty recently.

[JimBHibees]

Show me a similar incident that wasn't given as a penalty recently.

Don't need to show you anything shirt tugging happens every game with no penalty given.

[LaMotta]

Don't need to show you anything shirt tugging happens every game with no penalty given.

If you say so Jim:aok:

[Carheenlea]

A poor ball by Youan, but it feels like we seem to get punished for a lot of misplaced passes/errors when under no apparent danger. Luck isn’t on our side at the moment and failing to find a way to win those tight contests even when we are the better looking side is becoming exhausting.

You could see how deflated the players looked at the end after turning what again should have been win into a draw.

Mentally they need to find strength and belief to grind out the wins, but our play at times should be putting us in positions with score lines where we’re not having to hang on and grind out results.

[Donegal Hibby]

Youan still has stuff to learn though I do think he's quality. One of them players that gets you out of your seat . Glad he's our player and not at hertz or Aberdeen.

[HoboHarry]

If he played for Aberdeen or our Gorgie chums there'd be posters asking why we don't sign players of that quality

[Donegal Hibby]

Don't need to show you anything shirt tugging happens every game with no penalty given.


You cant pull a guys shirt in the box these days - it's really that simple.

Both of you are right imo . Shirt tugging and other minor offences do happen in most games with no penalties given though when you do , you do run the risk of giving away a penalty too . DH declares this one a draw btw 😂

[McGruber]

Absolutely can afford Youan's place and I'd have him as one of the first names on the teamsheet every week.
Had a poor touch at the end of the game tonight but with the reaction you would think he's gave it away last man.
We still had a good shape and enough players back. No pressure on the ball though and young Landers on for 5 mins lets the boy jog past him as he casually walks back. There's more blame on Landers than Youan I'd go as far to say

[B.H.F.C]

I’d have him up front with Vente on Saturday and Boyle back on the wing.

Good outweighs the bad with him and we’d be much worse off without him. But he gave the ball away far too much tonight, not just at the goal.

[Baader]

Wingers almost by nature are pretty inconsistent. It's a very hard position to play I always think.

The good far outweighs the bad with Elie, he's more an asset than a liability - although he can be both within a game!

[Ozyhibby]

We are conceding 1.6 goals a game in the league. Strikers are not the problem.


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[HH81]

If you say so Jim:aok:

Arnt you the chap that thought it wasn't a foul on Marshall but you're happy giving that as a pen?

[Hibs07p]

Fully aware i am going against the grain here and good chance I'll get slaughtered but is Elie a luxury we can do without?

The amount of times he gives the ball away in dangerous areas with slack passing or trying to beat every man on the pitch and getting caught out. He was caught out twice tonight that led to a goal and a counter attack in the 1st half. He offers very little defensively either tracking back or man marking where he can be often caught ball watching. He has been very hot and cold in the last few weeks offering very little going forward, Even in the Hearts game he only decided to show up when we were 2-0 down (Thankfully he did show up). With his price tag and ability is it wrong to want more from him?

The difference in work rate with Jair on the other side is night and day. I also thought Jair offered far more in the attacking sense tonight with getting to the by line and cutting the ball back at least 3 times . If we are going to continue with Elie i feel he should be played as a striker to get around his weaknesses and to get Boyle back on the right.

Totally agree, he does have a great skill set, but unfortunately tries to use it all over the pitch including defending in dangerous area’s, that’s if he hasn’t switched off and has been posted missing. So frustrating and would be better utilised up top.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[Iain G]

When Cadden is back and Youan on the bench I look forward to the "Is Youan a luxury we can't afford to leave out?" thread.

[Hibs90]

Is putting him up next to Vente a bad idea? Might be worth a shot

[flash]

Is putting him up next to Vente a bad idea? Might be worth a shot

That's what I would do on Saturday with Boyle out on the right.

[Hiber-nation]

We are conceding 1.6 goals a game in the league. Strikers are not the problem.


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Yes they are. Defending from the front. Cost us big time last night.

[lyonhibs]

Needs to buck up defensively and improve his decision making, but very much the kind of player we need to break down the stodge of this league

[LaMotta]

Arnt you the chap that thought it wasn't a foul on Marshall but you're happy giving that as a pen?

Those 2 incidents arent remotely comparable. Was Marshall getting his shirt tugged back?

[number9dream]

He’s a match winner who does far more good than bad.

Also feel his decision making is improving this season.

Unfortunate moment tonight but it’s just the way things are going for the team in general. Youan is one of our best players - it’s that simple for me.

Hibs fans claim they want flair and excitement- he gives us that.

I endorse this message.
Bad touch last night at a bad time but it was at the halfway line and we should have been able to recover the situation.
Understandable that Jair and Campbell were bombing on looking for a pass but maybe they should have been keeping cooler heads too.
I wouldn't be that surprised if Boyle comes in for Youan on Saturday - if Monty wants to 'send a message' about costly errors (was that behind Whittaker's start last night?) And I wouldn't be surprised if Youan comes on as a sub and plays a blinder.

[Greenbeard]

The penalty decision was laughable to be fair
You pull your opponents shirt in the box when he has got ahead of you and is running in on goal in space from a corner then 100% that player is going to go to ground and 100% you are giving away a daft penalty. :grr:

[Trinity Hibee]

Youan is incredibly frustrating at times and a lot of it is him knowing when to release the ball. You’d think once you get to professional level you have a decent understanding of that.

However, with some coaching he will turn out to be a top player in this league and we’ll probably make a good fee from him in future. He is already contributing with a good number of goals.

Reminds me a bit of Boyle when he arrived. Very raw with little intelligence but Boyle learned how to use his pace and what runs to make. His finishing has improved massively too.

[Sioux]

Show me a similar incident that wasn't given as a penalty recently.

Every time that Rangers play.

[MWHIBBIES]

We are conceding 1.6 goals a game in the league. Strikers are not the problem.


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Naive that. Good teams defend from the front. We let teams out from their defence far too easily.

[overdrive]

That's what I would do on Saturday with Boyle out on the right.

I'd agree with that as well. Although not great defensively himself, Boyle is a lot better than Youan at that side of the game.

[LaMotta]

Every time that Rangers play.

Not true though is it.

[flash]

Not true though is it.

I hate VAR and think we have had a rough deal overall from it but that was beyond stupid from Obita last night.

[Hibernian Verse]

We are conceding 1.6 goals a game in the league. Strikers are not the problem.


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Agree with this. I was angry at Youan last night but the more I think about it the more I realise that strikers/wingers are going to lose the ball and that's the point of having a defence & midfield - to stop the opposing attack.

[ancient hibee]

[QUOTE=JimBHibees;7506453]Don't need to show you anything shirt tugging happens every game with no penalty given.[/QUOT
The difference is it was totally needless the ball was coming nowhere near-don’t think it cleared the near post.

[JimBHibees]

[QUOTE=JimBHibees;7506453]Don't need to show you anything shirt tugging happens every game with no penalty given.[/QUOT
The difference is it was totally needless the ball was coming nowhere near-don’t think it cleared the near post.

I get it was needless however there are loads of similar soft challenges every week that aren’t punished. Very minor tug boy dives nowhere near the ball just think way too harsh a punishment imo. Monty made the point last night if we are giving that then there are going to be 10 penalties a game and i agree.

[JJP]

Absolutely not. Where would we be without his goals and assists? He is one of the most creative members of the team and he will often lose the ball but we shouldn't be so open so late in the game that when he does lose the ball around the halfway line we go on to concede a goal and drop 2 points.

[LaMotta]

I hate VAR and think we have had a rough deal overall from it but that was beyond stupid from Obita last night.

I'm on exactly same page with you here mate re VAR. We have to pick our arguments - claiming that Obita wasn't a foul when it clearly was just makes us lose credibility and we sound like we are moaning about everything.

There have been plenty other incidents since VAR came in where we were quite right to be raging.

[500miles]

I think we have a problem with so much speed in wide areas that it doesn't just spread the opposition - it leaves us quite open when we lose possession. I think that would be relieved a bit if we played Youan more centrally and Boyle wider, as Elie is more likely to take the risk.

[BroxburnHibee]

Hibs can never own a finished article. What we can do is take someone with great skills and some flaws too and try and improve them with coaching.

He is not a luxury we can't afford

[WhileTheChief..]

Don't think I'd class him as anywhere near being a luxury player. He's got potential at best.

[sauzee1989]

Nonsense he’s still one of our major assets. If he was the finished article he wouldn’t be playing for hibs.

[He's here!]

Nonsense he’s still one of our major assets. If he was the finished article he wouldn’t be playing for hibs.

That's the sum of it. With the talent he's got he'll hopefully keep developing though.

[greenlex]

I'm on exactly same page with you here mate re VAR. We have to pick our arguments - claiming that Obita wasn't a foul when it clearly was just makes us lose credibility and we sound like we are moaning about everything.

There have been plenty other incidents since VAR came in where we were quite right to be raging.
I don’t think there’s many claiming it’s not a foul by the letter of the law. I think the argument is consistency. You see fouls by the letter of the law at every corner taken for example and nothing is done. Last weekends penalty claim another example of the inconsistency. Ross county away with Marshall being bundled into the net by not one but two players and goal given is of the top of my head another. We are on the wrong end of too many of these. I’m all for VAR but some of the calls are quite baffling to be honest.

[JimBHibees]

I don’t think there’s many claiming it’s not a foul by the letter of the law. I think the argument is consistency. You see fouls by the letter of the law at every corner taken for example and nothing is done. Last weekends penalty claim another example of the inconsistency. Ross county away with Marshall being bundled into the net by not one but two players and goal given is of the top of my head another. We are on the wrong end of too many of these. I’m all for VAR but some of the calls are quite baffling to be honest.

Exactly where i am. Monty summed it up if penalties are given for that there could be ten a game. On the back of the semi final where not clear whether our offside goal was correct, a penalty claim not looked at and a possible foul in build up to the winning goal again not looked at is it any wonder we are thinking the deck is loaded against us.

[HarpOnHibee]

Youan made a mistake. But let's not pretend that it was the one and only mistake that led to the goal. There were a series of mistakes following that mistake that ultimately led to the goal. The biggest mistake was the collective effort to go for a 3rd goal in injury time when they should have seen the game out instead.

[LaMotta]

I don’t think there’s many claiming it’s not a foul by the letter of the law. I think the argument is consistency. You see fouls by the letter of the law at every corner taken for example and nothing is done. Last weekends penalty claim another example of the inconsistency. Ross county away with Marshall being bundled into the net by not one but two players and goal given is of the top of my head another. We are on the wrong end of too many of these. I’m all for VAR but some of the calls are quite baffling to be honest.


Exactly where i am. Monty summed it up if penalties are given for that there could be ten a game. On the back of the semi final where not clear whether our offside goal was correct, a penalty claim not looked at and a possible foul in build up to the winning goal again not looked at is it any wonder we are thinking the deck is loaded against us.

Guys, I'm with you on how VAR has not treated us well overall - totally agree. The Marshall incident at Ross County you mention was a disgrace. The Duk Penalty at Aberdeen likewise. Shocking.

What I'm a saying is that I disagree with the assertion that Obita's foul is being ignored in other games. It's not being ignored and it makes us look like paranoid Celtic Fans to suggest so. That type of foul is inarguable, its the the one that looks horrendous on VAR and will always be picked up on. Monty is getting ripped on social media for his comments on that penalty and I can see why. Its damaging to Hibs and our credibility to be picking out that challenge from Obita as if its an injustice. Look at the image - how can anyone not think that is a penalty? As Flash said above its so stupid from Obita. The green tinted specs are clouding judgement from some people on this one. There are plenty of other decisions we could and should have talked about. Not this one.

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[CentreLine]

Guys, I'm with you on how VAR has not treated us well overall - totally agree. The Marshall incident at Ross County you mention was a disgrace. The Duk Penalty at Aberdeen likewise. Shocking.

What I'm a saying is that I disagree with the assertion that Obita's foul is being ignored in other games. It's not being ignored and it makes us look like paranoid Celtic Fans to suggest so. That type of foul is inarguable, its the the one that looks horrendous on VAR and will always be picked up on. Monty is getting ripped on social media for his comments on that penalty and I can see why. Its damaging to Hibs and our credibility to be picking out that challenge from Obita as if its an injustice. Look at the image - how can anyone not think that is a penalty? As Flash said above its so stupid from Obita. The green tinted specs are clouding judgement from some people on this one. There are plenty of other decisions we could and should have talked about. Not this one.

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It was stupid and we see far too much of this. It’s a penalty and no argument. Why players do that, especially when the player being fouled is unlikely to be involved in the current phase of play, leaves me baffled.

That said, it does go on in every game and there is inconsistency in how it’s dealt with/ignored. I also believe that the VAR person(s) need to look at everything going on in the box at the same time and deal with the first foul taking place when the ball is in play, not the easy option.

[Hibi]

Guys, I'm with you on how VAR has not treated us well overall - totally agree. The Marshall incident at Ross County you mention was a disgrace. The Duk Penalty at Aberdeen likewise. Shocking.

What I'm a saying is that I disagree with the assertion that Obita's foul is being ignored in other games. It's not being ignored and it makes us look like paranoid Celtic Fans to suggest so. That type of foul is inarguable, its the the one that looks horrendous on VAR and will always be picked up on. Monty is getting ripped on social media for his comments on that penalty and I can see why. Its damaging to Hibs and our credibility to be picking out that challenge from Obita as if its an injustice. Look at the image - how can anyone not think that is a penalty? As Flash said above its so stupid from Obita. The green tinted specs are clouding judgement from some people on this one. There are plenty of other decisions we could and should have talked about. Not this one.

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If that is now a penalty then I don’t want anything to do with the game anymore. It’s blatant theatrics from a player to get a penalty at the back post when the ball hasn’t even made it past the front. Since when did a jersey pull result a players feet leaving the ground. Madness. The games gone if players are being rewarded for this sort of nonsense but great moves can be ruled off for someone’s toe being ahead of a defender.

[greenlex]

Guys, I'm with you on how VAR has not treated us well overall - totally agree. The Marshall incident at Ross County you mention was a disgrace. The Duk Penalty at Aberdeen likewise. Shocking.

What I'm a saying is that I disagree with the assertion that Obita's foul is being ignored in other games. It's not being ignored and it makes us look like paranoid Celtic Fans to suggest so. That type of foul is inarguable, its the the one that looks horrendous on VAR and will always be picked up on. Monty is getting ripped on social media for his comments on that penalty and I can see why. Its damaging to Hibs and our credibility to be picking out that challenge from Obita as if its an injustice. Look at the image - how can anyone not think that is a penalty? As Flash said above its so stupid from Obita. The green tinted specs are clouding judgement from some people on this one. There are plenty of other decisions we could and should have talked about. Not this one.

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He’s pulling his shirt. How exactly does his body get to that contorntioned shape as he throws himself to the ground? I know a shirt pull is a foul but they go unpunished all over the park. The boy has engineered the decision. Like I say when they start giving them for every block pull (shirt or otherwise ) I’ll agree. I still think we were hard done by there.
Anyhoo this is a Youan thread.

[LaMotta]

If that is now a penalty then I don’t want anything to do with the game anymore. It’s blatant theatrics from a player to get a penalty at the back post when the ball hasn’t even made it past the front. Since when did a jersey pull result a players feet leaving the ground. Madness. The games gone if players are being rewarded for this sort of nonsense but great moves can be ruled off for someone’s toe being ahead of a defender.

It's been like that for years now mate, no idea how you've missed it. You wont stop watching football though - none of us ever do.:greengrin

[LaMotta]

He’s pulling his shirt. How exactly does his body get to that contorntioned shape as he throws himself to the ground? I know a shirt pull is a foul but they go unpunished all over the park. The boy has engineered the decision. Like I say when they start giving them for every block pull (shirt or otherwise ) I’ll agree. I still think we were hard done by there.
Anyhoo this is a Youan thread.

This is the bit I don't agree with - people are saying that to make out we are hard done by here. Jersey pulls routinely get punished.

As you say though, Youan thread. so I'll leave it there:greengrin

[SickBoy32]

If that is now a penalty then I don’t want anything to do with the game anymore. It’s blatant theatrics from a player to get a penalty at the back post when the ball hasn’t even made it past the front. Since when did a jersey pull result a players feet leaving the ground. Madness. The games gone if players are being rewarded for this sort of nonsense but great moves can be ruled off for someone’s toe being ahead of a defender.

Totally agree with all of this, and the managers assessment of it. (Thought the exact same for the nonsense pen the **** got vs hearts recently with the Goldson swan dive)

A sham of a decision and never ever a foul in reality.

The Boyle offside at the weekend just makes a mockery of everyone who was at Hampden tbh (the list of joke VAR decisions against Hibs is incredible, and there will be many clubs in a similar position)

Interestingly, seen Southgate last night calling for VAR to go as he finds it boring, Neil Warnock has said similar recently too. Hopefully this trend continues and we can get the whole VAR nonsense consigned to the history books, a truly bizarre period of ‘football’

If VAR keeps up it will continue to increasingly detach me from the game, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that

We want our football back

[greenlex]

This is the bit I don't agree with - people are saying that to make out we are hard done by here. Jersey pulls routinely get punished.

As you say though, Youan thread. so I'll leave it there:greengrin

Absolute stonewaller from a corner today on Fish by the letter of the law completely ignored.

[LaMotta]

Absolute stonewaller from a corner today on Fish by the letter of the law completely ignored.

Have you seen a replay of the incident? Was it a shirt pull?

[greenlex]

Have you seen a replay of the incident? Was it a shirt pull?
Not seen the replay yet but shirt pull or not wrestled to the ground going for the crossed corner. Completely ignored.

[A Hi-Bee]

Not seen the replay yet but shirt pull or not wrestled to the ground going for the crossed corner. Completely ignored.
Correct for :top marks the ref was watching them as well before the kick was taken, along with same on Rocky.
:flag::flag::flag:

[007]

Show me a similar incident that wasn't given as a penalty recently.

Just been watching back some Sportscene highlights before deleting them and this clear shirt pull on Hanlon to impede him from getting on the end of a corner v Dundee wasn't given.

https://i.ibb.co/wz1LPHX/Screenshot-20231111-212321-Gallery.jpg (https://ibb.co/hmvM45j)

[LaMotta]

Just been watching back some Sportscene highlights before deleting them and this clear shirt pull on Hanlon to impede him from getting on the end of a corner v Dundee wasn't given.

https://i.ibb.co/wz1LPHX/Screenshot-20231111-212321-Gallery.jpg (https://ibb.co/hmvM45j)

Hanlon doesnt go down there which is a huge mistake. It should be a foul agreed, but if you don't go down you aint getting it. That's why its different to the Obita one.

[LaMotta]

Not seen the replay yet but shirt pull or not wrestled to the ground going for the crossed corner. Completely ignored.

Would like to see it again before making a judgement.

[greenlex]

Would like to see it gain before making a judgement. We won’t see it again. Strangely enough not in BBC the highlights. Definite penalty if we are doing letter of the law and not subjectivity.

[LaMotta]

We won’t see it again. Strangely enough not in BBC the highlights. Definite penalty if we are doing letter of the law and not subjectivity.

Thought it would be worth a look but can't say either way with any authority without a replay.

[TrinityHibby]

Is that the same Stevenson who looked as if he’d never played left back before against Ross Co.?

Excellent point…..pretty sure that was the worst I’d ever seen #16 legend play 😞

[JimBHibees]

Absolute stonewaller from a corner today on Fish by the letter of the law completely ignored.

Killie number four wrestled Fish to the ground in the middle of the box right in front of the referee. If we are giving the St Mirren one that should have also been given.

[JimBHibees]

Hanlon doesnt go down there which is a huge mistake. It should be a foul agreed, but if you don't go down you aint getting it. That's why its different to the Obita one.

Why should he need to go down? Got one at Parkhead last season similar to it.

[theonlywayisup]

Total waste of a jersey today!

Not entirely his fault, as he needs the ball played in front of him, but shocking display amongst many!

[Chorley Hibee]

Total waste of a jersey today!

Not entirely his fault, as he needs the ball played in front of him, but shocking display amongst many!

He was crap today, there's no argument, but he's another being hung out to dry by the formation and style of play.

At his best, and in a style that suits, he's one of our most potent weapons.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Since his transfer he has been terrible, some dreadful passing today, but weren't they all 🙄

[CallumLaidlaw]

Since his transfer he has been terrible, some dreadful passing today, but weren't they all [emoji849]

Don’t think the way we play suits him at all.


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[A Hi-Bee]

He will have good days and he will have bad days, we just gotta hope he has more good ones than bad, that is why he is at Hibs.
:thumbsup:

[TrinityHFC]

Don’t think the way we play suits him at all.


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Nope and bringing Jair back in which is a big positive is going to be hugely outweighed if we lose Youan as a threat, which is what’s happening now.

He’s gone from a potential multi million pound player to useless in a couple of months. He’s not a player that wants to be inside the pitch so far from goal.

Great to work with kids and misfits but at this level we need a coaching team who will get the best out of our best players.

[B.H.F.C]

He was crap today, there's no argument, but he's another being hung out to dry by the formation and style of play.

At his best, and in a style that suits, he's one of our most potent weapons.

I disagree with how we’re setting up but effort is a minimum requirement. There isn’t enough of that from Youan.

[TrinityHFC]

I disagree with how we’re setting up but effort is a minimum requirement. There isn’t enough of that from Youan.

He hasn’t just suddenly stopped trying since NM came in. It is obvious the role doesn’t suit his game.

[percy veer]

He will have good days and he will have bad days, we just gotta hope he has more good ones than bad, that is why he is at Hibs.
:thumbsup:

See this "that's why he is at hibs" argument is tiresome can say thT about Aby player at any club, why is Shankland at hearts ? Why is martial at man u utter nonsense

[B.H.F.C]

He hasn’t just suddenly stopped trying since NM came in. It is obvious the role doesn’t suit his game.

He went long periods last season without doing much. Is he much different now to previous?

Has never done enough.

[Springbank]

I'd say in our league you can have 1 player whose workrate is so poor they are being carried by the others. Any more than that & you'll be punished by every other team in the division

In recent games I'd say we've had 4 whose work rate (off the ball) has dropped a lot

Vente
Youan
Levitt
And sorry to say it, Martin Boyle

We need more from all these players

One way might be 352 to get more in the middle ie
Marshall
Fish Rocky Hanlon
Miller Jeggo Newell Levitt Obita
Boyle youan/vente

[Chipper1875]

I'd say in our league you can have 1 player whose workrate is so poor they are being carried by the others. Any more than that & you'll be punished by every other team in the division

In recent games I'd say we've had 4 whose work rate (off the ball) has dropped a lot

Vente
Youan
Levitt
And sorry to say it, Martin Boyle

We need more from all these players

One way might be 352 to get more in the middle ie
Marshall
Fish Rocky Hanlon
Miller Jeggo Newell Levitt Obita
Boyle youan/vente

Levitt has never had workrate . It’s unacceptable to even have one player who doesn’t work hard . Your top teams in the English prem , their star players workrate is incredible

[Brooster]

I've bever seen a Hibs player give the ball away as ofter as Youan. His workrate and poor possession are seriously beginning to cost us now.

I'd add Tavares to the poor workrate bunch.

[JimBHibees]

Personally would play Youan off Vente with a bit of freedom. Was surprised Jair stayed in the whole game as thought he was poor. Would have given Rudi a run.

[jeffers]

I've bever seen a Hibs player give the ball away as ofter as Youan. His workrate and poor possession are seriously beginning to cost us now.

I'd add Tavares to the poor workrate bunch.

:agree: If you are going to play two centre mids your wide players need to work much harder and be far more disciplined than Youan and Tavares. I’d happily sell Youan if we got a decent offer.

[J-C]

Youan is a striker/ wide forward being asked to play at right midfield, his defensive duties have never been great, it's the top end of the pitch where he's best at.

[B.H.F.C]

:agree: If you are going to play two centre mids your wide players need to work much harder and be far more disciplined than Youan and Tavares. I’d happily sell Youan if we got a decent offer.

What we are seeing just now is that we are nowhere near good enough to accommodate as many players who only want to play going in one direction.

In the current system with what we have available, we have to go back to Campbell playing off the right, we were better balanced doing that (and I’m not exactly Campbell’s biggest fan). It also helps the middle two as he naturally plays a bit narrower a lot of the time.

Trying to play the two out and out wide players and two strikers just leaves us short all over the place and we struggle to actually get them the ball as a result.

[MikeyS]

:agree: If you are going to play two centre mids your wide players need to work much harder and be far more disciplined than Youan and Tavares. I’d happily sell Youan if we got a decent offer.

This is an extreme, other end of the scale comparison but think of the work that Beckham & Giggs put in as wide men in a 442. That's the mindset needed from our wingers but we just aren't getting it.

There should be no excuses for not working hard

[TrinityHFC]

This is an extreme, other end of the scale comparison but think of the work that Beckham & Giggs put in as wide men in a 442. That's the mindset needed from our wingers but we just aren't getting it.

There should be no excuses for not working hard

Those two were played as proper wingers though, they weren’t asked to be in the middle of the pitch when their team had the ball.

In their previous roles Boyle and Youan had no issues tracking back and working hard. Luzern away for example they were defending all night and breaking away from everyone late in the game to get us through.

It is clearly the system and the role they are being asked to play which is holding them back. I’ve been seeing this and saying it since we started playing this way. That’s a huge misuse of expensive talent.

[Bobo]

Undoubtedly Youan has the ability to become a very decent player but unfortunately doesn't appear to take instruction or apply himself for the majority of his time on the pitch.

For me he doesn't merit a starting place as his contribution to overall team performances isn't enough the majority of the time. The games where he has been effective are, sadly, far outweighed by poor performances.

He reminds me of Tony Rogier, he's lazy as sin and an attention seeker, thinks more about his own headlines than playing for the team.

For me, until he starts pulling his weight, he'd be getting 20 minutes, off the bench, if he was lucky.

Youan isn't the only one who needs a good boot up the arse either and that includes the manager.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think we have too many flair players playing at the moment, our midfield need better quality players who can compete and play both ways, Newell apart we have none.

[MKHIBEE]

See this "that's why he is at hibs" argument is tiresome can say thT about Aby player at any club, why is Shankland at hearts ? Why is martial at man u utter nonsenseo
Turn the question round. Why isn’t he at Celtic or Rangers? Why isn’t he at a top English championship club? The answers may well be the same things that some of find infuriating about him. He has strengths, he should be allowed to play to them

[JammyDoidger]

He's just no very good tbh. He lacks any sort of composure, his game intelligence is poor. He has the physical attributes which gets him by at times, but he's a poor footballer imo, not someone I'd want in the trenches with me.

[Saint Hibee]

I think his work rate is actually fine. It’s his decision making that’s the problem.

[TrinityHFC]

He's just no very good tbh. He lacks any sort of composure, his game intelligence is poor. He has the physical attributes which gets him by at times, but he's a poor footballer imo, not someone I'd want in the trenches with me.

He was doing much better before though?

What you’ve said might have been true for his first few games and whilst his decision making could be improved he was on his way to being a multi million pound player. The coaching team have to be able to get that level back out of him but I think it’s unlikely to happen in the way we play.

[Hibee Daft]

I think when Chris Cadden comes back he will show us what we've been missing as a right midfielder in this formation.

Works hard, stays wide, good cross, tracks back, doesnt try anything too fancy

I'd also like to see Youan as Striker playing off Vente or Doidge.

[B.H.F.C]

I think when Chris Cadden comes back he will show us what we've been missing as a right midfielder in this formation.

Works hard, stays wide, good cross, tracks back, doesnt try anything too fancy

I'd also like to see Youan as Striker playing off Vente or Doidge.

We were talking about this yesterday. He’ll be suited to the shape Montgomery wants to play and give the team a better balance.

Yesterday was the perfect example of how you can’t just chuck loads of attacking players on the pitch and think it’ll result in goals.

[Onion]

In a good team, he'd be effective. When the team as a whole is rank rotten, he's a luxury.

Swapping him out for someone a little more effective would have made no difference yesterday.

[Musselbound]

Since his transfer he has been terrible, some dreadful passing today, but weren't they all 🙄

He had good performances earlier this season imo. His dip in form has coincided with the change in manager which suggests he's not fitting in somehow. While others like Jair have flourished under Monty, Youan has gone backwards.

[Greenio]

Drop in form. It happens. Wouldn't say you can simply say it's the new Managers formation (which folk seem to be focusing on as the route of all evil)

[B.H.F.C]

He had good performances earlier this season imo. His dip in form has coincided with the change in manager which suggests he's not fitting in somehow. While others like Jair have flourished under Monty, Youan has gone backwards.

His lack of form is more of a recent thing. When Montgomery first came in he was still contributing. First eight games he had three goals and a couple of assists. Last eight games there he has one assist.

I don’t think we’re playing in a way which gets the most out of him but he’s not helping himself at times. He’s so inconsistent. Not from game to game, more like from minute to minute.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

It's his fannying about with the ball that does my tits in. All he had to do was pass to jair but instead chose to fanny about and ran into three players and lost the ball

[7Hero]

See this "that's why he is at hibs" argument is tiresome can say thT about Aby player at any club, why is Shankland at hearts ? Why is martial at man u utter nonsense

Totally agree sick of the comment..

Surely if he is at Hibs we should expect a very minimal amount of skill and effort, he just doesn't deliver even that on a regular basis.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think when Chris Cadden comes back he will show us what we've been missing as a right midfielder in this formation.

Works hard, stays wide, good cross, tracks back, doesnt try anything too fancy

I'd also like to see Youan as Striker playing off Vente or Doidge.

We’re in bother if Cadden ends up our right midfielder imo. Not that I think he’s a bad player, but he’s never imo a right midfielder and him and Miller being the right side of our team sounds dull as dishwater.

[MikeyS]

We’re in bother if Cadden ends up our right midfielder imo. Not that I think he’s a bad player, but he’s never imo a right midfielder and him and Miller being the right side of our team sounds dull as dishwater.

It also wouldn't solve the problem of what to do with a seriously under performing/incorrectly used Martin Boyle.

[easty]

His lack of form is more of a recent thing. When Montgomery first came in he was still contributing. First eight games he had three goals and a couple of assists. Last eight games there he has one assist.

I don’t think we’re playing in a way which gets the most out of him but he’s not helping himself at times. He’s so inconsistent. Not from game to game, more like from minute to minute.

I don't think we're playing in a way that's getting the most out of any of our attacking players. Exception being Jair who's kicked on.

Boyle has his back to goal too much. Youan playing wide in a formation that when he does lose the ball it leaves gaps in behind. Vente just dropping deep all the time.

Maybe the players he had at CCM were the perfect fit for it, but ours aren't.

I'd like Boyle on the right, with Levitt and Newell trying to find him in behind the full back at times. Vente playing as a striker. Youan playing off him.

[Smartie]

We’re in bother if Cadden ends up our right midfielder imo. Not that I think he’s a bad player, but he’s never imo a right midfielder and him and Miller being the right side of our team sounds dull as dishwater.


We actually played some decent stuff last season with Cadden in this position, some of which was played with Miller at FB.

I'd have more concerns with Cadden coming in at FB as I think he's a bit ropey defensively.

[Centre Hawf]

I don't think Elie has had a great run really since NM came in. I do think the system asks too much of him off the ball. He was dire in any defensive capability when we had a 3 man midfield to help cover him let alone in a flat 4.

I know some people won't like to hear that but the reality is we have someone like Elie who has shown he can create something out of nothing when the reigns are off him entirely and we should just work with what we know works instead squares in round holes. I know this conversation has been done to death since Monty came in but I seriously worry that playing with this system is stifling the players we currently have and I don't think it's going to work long term, get back a proper 4-3-3 and let Jair/Elie/Boyle take men on and get balls into the box for Vente who has been chronically starved of proper service for nearing on months at this point.

[The Captain....]

Youan is an absolute enigma. Capable of suddenly sparking to life and changing a game after resembling a pub player for 45 mins. I expect he drives the coaches mental as well as frustrating supporters. I don't know what the answer is with him tbh..he needs to deliver more often to be a regular is my gut feeling.

I'd be quite happy to see Cadden in RM...when playing regularly he was getting some good balls across the box. Vente would maybe even get some decent service.



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[Trinity Hibee]

We actually played some decent stuff last season with Cadden in this position, some of which was played with Miller at FB.

I'd have more concerns with Cadden coming in at FB as I think he's a bit ropey defensively.

Could cadden be used centrally? He’s good on the ball and is mobile to get up and down the pitch. Not great defensively out wide and his crossing is erratic. Some energy in the middle of the pitch is what we lack. Remember Hartley moved from a wide player to central so maybe Cadden could do the same?

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think we're playing in a way that's getting the most out of any of our attacking players. Exception being Jair who's kicked on.

Boyle has his back to goal too much. Youan playing wide in a formation that when he does lose the ball it leaves gaps in behind. Vente just dropping deep all the time.

Maybe the players he had at CCM were the perfect fit for it, but ours aren't.

I'd like Boyle on the right, with Levitt and Newell trying to find him in behind the full back at times. Vente playing as a striker. Youan playing off him.

I don’t disagree that we’re not getting enough. We’re clearly not.

But, particularly in the case of Youan, he could still be doing more irrespective of shape. He gave the ball away after about 20 seconds on Saturday and it just set the tone for him.

As I say we’re not getting enough from players individually but, generally, since Montgomery came in we have got more out of them as a team certainly in terms of results. I’ve got a feeling he’s going to make a couple of big, and potentially unpopular, decisions to try and get the team playing the way he wants. That might involve selling someone like Youan. Nothing really to back that up, just a gut feeling.

[J-C]

We’re in bother if Cadden ends up our right midfielder imo. Not that I think he’s a bad player, but he’s never imo a right midfielder and him and Miller being the right side of our team sounds dull as dishwater.

Strange because he was capped by Scotland while playing as a a right midfielder, he only moved to RB when he went to the States.

[theonlywayisup]

I don't think we're playing in a way that's getting the most out of any of our attacking players. Exception being Jair who's kicked on.

Boyle has his back to goal too much. Youan playing wide in a formation that when he does lose the ball it leaves gaps in behind. Vente just dropping deep all the time.

Maybe the players he had at CCM were the perfect fit for it, but ours aren't.

I'd like Boyle on the right, with Levitt and Newell trying to find him in behind the full back at times. Vente playing as a striker. Youan playing off him.

Yes, 100% agree. Which brings me back to the midfield! We either need a midfielder who can reliably play a pass that allows both Boyle or Youan to run onto or who can break the midfield press and runs at the opposition defence that then creates the space for Boyle or Youan to run into.

Only Newell does this often and even then not often enough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Strange because he was capped by Scotland while playing as a a right midfielder, he only moved to RB when he went to the States.

He played right back for Motherwell as well. Columbus Crew even announced the signing of him as being the signing of a defender.

Regardless of whether he played there for Scotland, he’s not a right midfielder imo. A right back or a right wing back all day.

[basehibby]

I don't think we're playing in a way that's getting the most out of any of our attacking players. Exception being Jair who's kicked on.

Boyle has his back to goal too much. Youan playing wide in a formation that when he does lose the ball it leaves gaps in behind. Vente just dropping deep all the time.

Maybe the players he had at CCM were the perfect fit for it, but ours aren't.

I'd like Boyle on the right, with Levitt and Newell trying to find him in behind the full back at times. Vente playing as a striker. Youan playing off him.

I agree with this view - Youan is a bit too unpredictable as a right sided midfielder whereas that becomes an asset when he's played up front. Boyle was played effectively out wide right in a 352 when he first broke through and he has the engine, workrate and experience to do so again. Tavares has made the odd defensive error as a wide mid but still looks a lot more convincing there than Youan. So - swapping positions of Youan and Boyle would seem the best hope of playing all three of these players together successfully.

[NC1875]

He's just no very good tbh. He lacks any sort of composure, his game intelligence is poor. He has the physical attributes which gets him by at times, but he's a poor footballer imo, not someone I'd want in the trenches with me.

I got slated for saying similar on here before. He’s just not a very good footballer.

[JammyDoidger]

I got slated for saying similar on here before. He’s just not a very good footballer.

Must be a nightmare to play with as he has no idea what he's going to do next, never mind his teammates knowing what he's going to do. In a 4-4-2 and the system Monty wants he's not disciplined enough to play in it for me. He got away with it a bit more in a 4-3-3 with Johnson, but he's not going to cut it in a midfield 4.

[JimBHibees]

Think Youan should play where Boyle has been off the front.

[Smartie]

He played right back for Motherwell as well. Columbus Crew even announced the signing of him as being the signing of a defender.

Regardless of whether he played there for Scotland, he’s not a right midfielder imo. A right back or a right wing back all day.

I've never really been able to make my mind up about what exactly is Cadden's best position and role, probably wing back in a 352.

But someone made the point last week that the wide players in Montgomery's system are probably more suited to being Drey Wright types than Boyle or Youan types and I think that sounds fair tbh. That may lead to Cadden being decent with a couple of players behind him (a bit like when he's got a RCB and a central one in a 3 when he plays wing back) so he may be more suited to this formation than some of our other players.

On a separate note, I see Aaron Rodgers looks close to being ready to play for New York Jets and I think he only injured his achilles in September (sounds mental for such a serious injury) so it may not turn out to be that long before we can expect Cadden to return.

[J-C]

He played right back for Motherwell as well. Columbus Crew even announced the signing of him as being the signing of a defender.

Regardless of whether he played there for Scotland, he’s not a right midfielder imo. A right back or a right wing back all day.

You better get in touch with the BBC as they thought he was a midfielder when he first signed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55683925

[ancient hibee]

Think Youan should play where Boyle has been off the front.

Me too. Apart from anything els he’s quite good in the air -flicking the ball on-and Boyle should be wide right.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You better get in touch with the BBC as they thought he was a midfielder when he first signed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55683925

And yet you claimed he became a defender when he went to America which was immediately before he signed for us.

He didn’t play as a right midfielder in his last season at Motherwell, they generally played 3-5-2 with him as the RWB, he didn’t play it in America either.

And again, regardless of whether he played there for Scotland, whether he played there for Motherwell 5 years ago, whether he’s played every game of his career there or whether he’s never played there at all, he’s never good enough to be a right midfielder at Hibs imo. A right back, or a right wing back all day long for me and there’s not a chance in hell we should have a right hand side consisting of him and Lewis Miller in a 4-4-2.

[gorgie greens]

He was crap today, there's no argument, but he's another being hung out to dry by the formation and style of play.

At his best, and in a style that suits, he's one of our most potent weapons.
The game at Hearts he did nothing but score 2 goals so for me he is a luxury but one that needs to play and play through the middle up front .

[RIP]

When I'm at the games, surf the Hibs Facebook pages and read threads like this one, so many fans are saying that Youan's best position is up front. That's not just a lot of people playing Football Manager, it's actually experienced fans recalling the times when Youan's at his most effective and when he's got us up off our seats.

When Elie was signed on Loan, the press (Both Hibs and media) described him as a striker. We've all seen his exciting breakaways, his runs into the box, his left-footed goals, his right-footed goals and his headed goal. The only place that man should be IMO is in and out of the box.

Lee Johnson had him hugging the touchline, 40 yards from the goal. You could tell right away that was a frustrating position for him, given that he was expecting to be up front. Now, another manager and a year onwards, he's still trying, and mostly failing, to be effective at playing that wingback role.

A multi-lingual friend had sent me an article from a Swiss? French? newspaper earlier this year where Elie described scoring goals for fun as a school footballer. His entire career up to that point was as a 9. Sadly, despite seraching my inboxes, I can't lay my hands on the article now.

Imagine signing for Hibs then being asked to play a touchline game where he picks up the ball with 9 opposition players between himself and the goal? And when he does make runs, there's never a ball into the channels, or over the top or a 1-2 to put him through on goal. He spends the majority of the match watching our centre halves passing across the penalty box, up to the full back, then back again. As did Dylan, Jair and Martin on Saturday BTW :confused:

If we were him, wouldn't we find that matchday experience soul-destroying? Surely after two seasons, he must be yearning to play up front again. And if Nick won't try him there on a regular basis - maybe his agent will find a club who will. That's my biggest fear for Elie. If we continue to play him in the wrong position, will we lose a potential goalmachine that most Hibs fans still think is worth paying money to see?

[Shrekko]

Playing this pedestrian style that allows teams just to drop deep into formation and form a wall we can't penetrate is going to need moments of magic to make the difference in games. Youan can provide that.

He, Boyle and Vente are hardly involved in games these past 2/3 months - it's a crazy waste of attacking potency.

Elie should play the role he played last season. He'll have poor games but he was getting stronger and more influential as time went on.

[JimBHibees]

You better get in touch with the BBC as they thought he was a midfielder when he first signed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55683925

Cadden was always a right midfielder for Well

[Chorley Hibee]

When I'm at the games, surf the Hibs Facebook pages and read threads like this one, so many fans are saying that Youan's best position is up front. That's not just a lot of people playing Football Manager, it's actually experienced fans recalling the times when Youan's at his most effective and when he's got us up off our seats.

When Elie was signed on Loan, the press (Both Hibs and media) described him as a striker. We've all seen his exciting breakaways, his runs into the box, his left-footed goals, his right-footed goals and his headed goal. The only place that man should be IMO is in and out of the box.

Lee Johnson had him hugging the touchline, 40 yards from the goal. You could tell right away that was a frustrating position for him, given that he was expecting to be up front. Now, another manager and a year onwards, he's still trying, and mostly failing, to be effective at playing that wingback role.

A multi-lingual friend had sent me an article from a Swiss? French? newspaper earlier this year where Elie described scoring goals for fun as a school footballer. His entire career up to that point was as a 9. Sadly, despite seraching my inboxes, I can't lay my hands on the article now.

Imagine signing for Hibs then being asked to play a touchline game where he picks up the ball with 9 opposition players between himself and the goal? And when he does make runs, there's never a ball into the channels, or over the top or a 1-2 to put him through on goal. He spends the majority of the match watching our centre halves passing across the penalty box, up to the full back, then back again. As did Dylan, Jair and Martin on Saturday BTW :confused:

If we were him, wouldn't we find that matchday experience soul-destroying? Surely after two seasons, he must be yearning to play up front again. And if Nick won't try him there on a regular basis - maybe his agent will find a club who will. That's my biggest fear for Elie. If we continue to play him in the wrong position, will we lose a potential goalmachine that most Hibs fans still think is worth paying money to see?

I'm in total agreement.

You could be describing Vente too. Another player being completely hamstrung by the style and formation being imposed upon him.

[J-C]

Cadden was always a right midfielder for Well

Thank for verifying what I was saying earlier.

[LaMotta]

When I'm at the games, surf the Hibs Facebook pages and read threads like this one, so many fans are saying that Youan's best position is up front. That's not just a lot of people playing Football Manager, it's actually experienced fans recalling the times when Youan's at his most effective and when he's got us up off our seats.

When Elie was signed on Loan, the press (Both Hibs and media) described him as a striker. We've all seen his exciting breakaways, his runs into the box, his left-footed goals, his right-footed goals and his headed goal. The only place that man should be IMO is in and out of the box.

Lee Johnson had him hugging the touchline, 40 yards from the goal. You could tell right away that was a frustrating position for him, given that he was expecting to be up front. Now, another manager and a year onwards, he's still trying, and mostly failing, to be effective at playing that wingback role.

A multi-lingual friend had sent me an article from a Swiss? French? newspaper earlier this year where Elie described scoring goals for fun as a school footballer. His entire career up to that point was as a 9. Sadly, despite seraching my inboxes, I can't lay my hands on the article now.

Imagine signing for Hibs then being asked to play a touchline game where he picks up the ball with 9 opposition players between himself and the goal? And when he does make runs, there's never a ball into the channels, or over the top or a 1-2 to put him through on goal. He spends the majority of the match watching our centre halves passing across the penalty box, up to the full back, then back again. As did Dylan, Jair and Martin on Saturday BTW :confused:

If we were him, wouldn't we find that matchday experience soul-destroying? Surely after two seasons, he must be yearning to play up front again. And if Nick won't try him there on a regular basis - maybe his agent will find a club who will. That's my biggest fear for Elie. If we continue to play him in the wrong position, will we lose a potential goalmachine that most Hibs fans still think is worth paying money to see?


I'm in total agreement.

You could be describing Vente too. Another player being completely hamstrung by the style and formation being imposed upon him.

:agree: He was also prolific when we used him as a striker last season when Nisbet got injured.

[Ronniekirk]

I'm in total agreement.

You could be describing Vente too. Another player being completely hamstrung by the style and formation being imposed upon him.
after his great start it’s dissapointing we can’t get the best out him We are missing the intelligence of Alf and his flick ons and ability to pick a pass

[Gettin' Auld]

Youan is an absolute enigma. Capable of suddenly sparking to life and changing a game after resembling a pub player for 45 mins. I expect he drives the coaches mental as well as frustrating supporters. I don't know what the answer is with him tbh..he needs to deliver more often to be a regular is my gut feeling.

I'd be quite happy to see Cadden in RM...when playing regularly he was getting some good balls across the box. Vente would maybe even get some decent service.

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Correct. Cadden puts some great balls into the box.

[Northernhibee]

Beyond terrible.

[sean04]

Bet if youan played for motherwell or kilmarnock he would be a superstar

[Northernhibee]

Bet if youan played for motherwell or kilmarnock he would be a superstar

They wouldn’t sign a player who is incapable of playing as part of a team.

[TheCabbage]

Bet if youan played for motherwell or kilmarnock he would be a superstar

Nah. They sign team players that work hard.
No this chicken hearted prima donna

[sean04]

They wouldn’t sign a player who is incapable of playing as part of a team.

I think the manager is the problem, all the players look lost and devoid of any confidence

[hibsbollah]

Im a fan of Youan but he was at his worst today, and hed be an option off the bench from now on. Same with Jair. Time to chuck the new boys in and see what works.

[Northernhibee]

I think the manager is the problem, all the players look lost and devoid of any confidence

Just like the manager before that and the manager before that and the manager before that.

Can’t keep being just the manager alone, got to look upwards.

[J-C]

He's not a wide midfielder, get him up top in a 3 where he was before and scoring goals.

[sean04]

Just like the manager before that and the manager before that and the manager before that.

Can’t keep being just the manager alone, got to look upwards.

Who out of that st mirren team would you take for us? Gogic rotten at us. Now a solid player with a decent manager

[Northernhibee]

Who out of that st mirren team would you take for us? Gogic rotten at us. Now a solid player with a decent manager

I’d take Gogic in a heartbeat, in fact most of their team. They work together, know the league, get stuck in and have everything we don’t.

We’ve got to stop being snobby about players proven at this level, that’s what gets you results.

[Scottie]

He’s a luxury we can’t afford. We are in a relegation battle now and he’s posted missing nine times out of ten

[skyehibee]

He's not a wide midfielder, get him up top in a 3 where he was before and scoring goals.

Did he not start today up front and was woeful?

[Northernhibee]

Did he not start today up front and was woeful?

He’d be good if he was one of those TikTok people who show off tricks and flicks but as a professional footballer he’s near talentless.

[TrinityHFC]

Ruined by the manager. He was always a bit frustrating but he had become much more direct and effective.

[hibsbollah]

Did he not start today up front and was woeful?

He was rubbish. To be fair though, we were lumping it high to him like we thought Mixu was up there. Not really his game.

[The Modfather]

Who out of that st mirren team would you take for us? Gogic rotten at us. Now a solid player with a decent manager

As a functioning balanced team, all 11.

[shamo9]

He's regressed under the current manager, as have a few others. Last September Youan was probably our most sellable asset, now his value decreases by the game. Not a great look for Montgomery.

I'm not absolving Youan of blame but ultimately it's the manager who suffers most when they can't get the best out of their star players.

[WhileTheChief..]

Luxury??

Offers nothing.

[eastterrace]

Time to bin Youan and that imposter jair who offers nothing. We are heading for bottom six if he persists playing both of these guys..

[neil7908]

He didn't just offer nothing today - I genuinely thought he didn't even try. He looked like he was pissed off at something and having a massive strop.

I'd have him nowhere near the starting 11 as it stands.

[Sparrows tongue]

For me, he thinks he is better than he actually is.

[mcohibs]

He’s awful. Effort level falls far short of what’s required of a professional footballer. Should’ve been hooked before half time.

[easty]

For me, he thinks he is better than he actually is.

Good players at our level usually do

[random sub]

Youan looked lost or disinterested today, or both. I heard there was a club in for him during the window, could be that he was being petulant, who knows but was terrible today. I still like him as a player however.

Jair though, that is a luxury player that rarely delivers.

[easty]

Youan used as an attacking option wide in a front 3 works for me.

He’s not being used correctly, and he’s not the only one. Today he’s up top dealing with service that is clearly not his way of playing. Most games recently hes a wide midfielder, too much defensive responsibility, which he’s no good at, and he’s getting pelters for it.

Boyle has been playing up top for us, unsurprisingly underperforming.

Vente playing deep as ****, getting no goals and nowhere near the 6 yard box.



It’s been a common criticism towards Monty for me, he doesn’t try to get the best out of what he has available. He either doesn’t realise what his players are capable of, or he’s a stubborn ****.

[Northernhibee]

Youan used as an attacking option wide in a front 3 works for me.

He’s not being used correctly, and he’s not the only one. Today he’s up top dealing with service that is clearly not his way of playing. Most games recently hes a wide midfielder, too much defensive responsibility, which he’s no good at, and he’s getting pelters for it.

Boyle has been playing up top for us, unsurprisingly underperforming.

Vente playing deep as ****, getting no goals and nowhere near the 6 yard box.



It’s been a common criticism towards Monty for me, he doesn’t try to get the best out of what he has available. He either doesn’t realise what his players are capable of, or he’s a stubborn ****.

Youan was the same selfish, ***** player in a front three too though, barring the one game in twenty or so that hes not.

[B.H.F.C]

Can talk tactics etc all day long. If players don’t want to try you’re ****ed. He wasn’t interested in trying. Disgraceful performance from him.

[He's here!]

Like most of the team he was significantly better under Johnson.

[TheCabbage]

[QUOTE=easty;7572841]Youan used as an attacking option wide in a front 3 works for me.

He’s not being used correctly, and he’s not the only one. Today he’s up top dealing with service that is clearly not his way of playing. Most games recently hes a wide midfielder, too much defensive responsibility, which he’s no good at, and he’s getting pelters for it

Maybe but his lack of effort and use of the ball when he got it was shocking .
Add in he barely breaks out of a trot when we are not in possession. It’s worse than a man down
All players should be busting a gut

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

His lack of effort to keep the ball in play at one point when it was only about a foot away summed him up today, like playing with a man down, though we had a few of them this afternoon tbf.

[Broxburn Greens]

He didn't just offer nothing today - I genuinely thought he didn't even try. He looked like he was pissed off at something and having a massive strop.

I'd have him nowhere near the starting 11 as it stands.

Agree, was switched from up top out onto the left and looked like he spat the dummy.

Should be benched for the foreseeable.


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[LunasBoots]

Looks like a player whose heads elsewhere.

[.Sean.]

Wonder if him and Jair got any nice material for their Instagrams today

[LaMotta]

Youan has always been frustrating but there is no doubt Monty has made him less productive. The worst thing for me though which is just how poor a footballing brain he has.

First half today we had a three on two bursting forward in their half - Marcondes had the ball, Youan in the middle ahead of him and Myziane on the left all alone. Youan made the most amateur level stupid run I've ever seen - rather than stretch the defence and creating space by going to the right, he actually ran towards Myziane on the left, taking Gogic with him and turned the three on two into a two on two, allowing Gogic to stall the situation. He is 24 now - if he doesn't understand what to do there at that age then there is no hope for him.

[hibsbollah]

His lack of effort to keep the ball in play at one point when it was only about a foot away summed him up today, like playing with a man down, though we had a few of them this afternoon tbf.

I thought the fans were harsh on him for that, got absolute pelters for it but i suspect he stopped because he knew Joe was injured behind him and he wrongly thought st mirren would just return possesion.

[hfcok]

Bin him now, had his chance, defo not a team player.

[eastterrace]

Time to bin Youan and that imposter jair who offers nothing. We are heading for bottom six if he persists playing both if these guys..

[Steve88]

Youan is a striker currently being played at Right Midfield

When Nisbet was out injured Youan stepped up (upfront) and started banging the goals in

The guy is class but being played way out of position, folk wanting him binned need to understand this because when Youan is on it - playing in his natural position - he is far too good to be here

[B.H.F.C]

Like most of the team he was significantly better under Johnson.

No he wasn’t. He played every now and again and hasn’t produced anything less goals wise under Montgomery.

He’s a pretender. He’ll be away from here before long and float around various clubs for the rest of his career.

Has talent but his attitude stinks at times. Today was as bad as you’ll ever see in that regard. Should have been hooked long before half time as he blatantly wasn’t trying. Disgrace.

[SeanWilson]

It’s like watching my kids school football with him. He just waits on the ball, never runs back, constantly tries to do to much, rarely picks out a pass. He’s just a terrible 11 aside football player.

[RIP]

Youan is a striker currently being played at Right Midfield

When Nisbet was out injured Youan stepped up (upfront) and started banging the goals in

The guy is class but being played way out of position, folk wanting him binned need to understand this because when Youan is on it - playing in his natural position - he is far too good to be here

This.

I was cheered when I saw him up front. He was signed as a striker. If he had a run of games we could see some shots on target.

Then St Mirren scores and what does Duff Monty do?

Puts him back on the left touchline where every fan in the ground and the player himself knows is completely ineffective.

Did any of you notice that St Mirren hardly play any wide men. They put their goal threats in front of the goals.

We have some of the right ingredients on the pitch but a crap chef!

[Nicho87]

Youans performance in that first half was absolutely indescribable

To the point he was at the wind up

The pass, east stand side, which was behind him but trickled past him and he just thought naw can’t be arsed

Scenes

[B.H.F.C]

Youans performance in that first half was absolutely indescribable

To the point he was at the wind up

The pass, east stand side, which was behind him but trickled past him and he just thought naw can’t be arsed

Scenes

He should have been hooked as soon as that happened. For a professional player to show such a blatant lack of effort was shocking.

I’d bin him completely on Wednesday for that performance today.

[PH91]

Youan has always been frustrating but there is no doubt Monty has made him ten far less productive. The worst thing for me though which is just how poor a footballing brain he has.

First half today we had a three on two bursting forward in their half - Marcondes had the ball, Youan in the middle ahead of him and Myziane on the left all alone. Youan made the most amateur level stupid run I've ever seen - rather than stretch the defence and creating space by going to the right, he actually ran towards Myziane on the left, taking Gogic with him and turned the three on two into a two on two, allowing Gogic to stall the situation. He is 24 now - if he doesn't understand what to do there at that age then there is no hope for him.

Or taking ball in his own half with 2 players around him, trying to beat them and losing it for them to counter vs having their full back 1v1 wide at the edge of their box, 20 yards of space behind and passing it 30 yards back.
He seems un-coachable.

[TrinityHFC]

No he wasn’t. He played every now and again and hasn’t produced anything less goals wise under Montgomery.

He’s a pretender. He’ll be away from here before long and float around various clubs for the rest of his career.

Has talent but his attitude stinks at times. Today was as bad as you’ll ever see in that regard. Should have been hooked long before half time as he blatantly wasn’t trying. Disgrace.

Under LJ he was becoming a consistently dangerous player who was on his way to being a multi million pound player. He had figured out much more where and when to play and I thought he was superb in our European games. He might still have scored goals despite the system but you can clearly see he has gone hugely backwards in the last few months. He’s not alone.

[B.H.F.C]

Under LJ he was becoming a consistently dangerous player who was on his way to being a multi million pound player. He had figured out much more where and when to play and I thought he was superb in our European games. He might still have scored goals despite the system but you can clearly see he has gone hugely backwards in the last few months. He’s not alone.

He’s just always been terribly inconsistent for me. Even if you look at the European games you mention at the start of this year it was one extreme to the other. Hooked at half time in the first leg of the Luzern tie, brilliant in the second. He regularly went long periods without doing anything last year and still is now.

Will never be a multi million pound player when he isn’t fussed for trying half the time.

[Hibs90]

Youans performance in that first half was absolutely indescribable

To the point he was at the wind up

The pass, east stand side, which was behind him but trickled past him and he just thought naw can’t be arsed

Scenes

Newell was down injured in the middle of the pitch so he let it go out.

So no, he didn't think 'naw I can't be arsed'.

[BoomtownHibees]

Newell was down injured in the middle of the pitch so he let it go out.

So no, he didn't think 'naw I can't be arsed'.

No having that at all

[Steve88]

This.

I was cheered when I saw him up front. He was signed as a striker. If he had a run of games we could see some shots on target.

Then St Mirren scores and what does Duff Monty do?

Puts him back on the left touchline where every fan in the ground and the player himself knows is completely ineffective.

Did any of you notice that St Mirren hardly play any wide men. They put their goal threats in front of the goals.

We have some of the right ingredients on the pitch but a crap chef!

Likewise.

I lost count at the amount of times i seen the front three switch wings

[Nicho87]

Newell was down injured in the middle of the pitch so he let it go out.

So no, he didn't think 'naw I can't be arsed'.

I disagree

[Hibs90]

No having that at all

That's exactly what happened.

[mcohibs]

Looks like a player whose heads elsewhere.

Elsewhere being up his arse.

[Jones28]

I disagree

It was commented on in the match thread as well, numerous posters agreed on it.

[B.H.F.C]

That's exactly what happened.

No for me it wasn’t.

[BoomtownHibees]

That's exactly what happened.

How could you know he left it because Newell was down injured? Was right in front of me and just looked like he couldn’t be arsed going for it

[hibee-boys]

Youans performance in that first half was absolutely indescribable

To the point he was at the wind up

The pass, east stand side, which was behind him but trickled past him and he just thought naw can’t be arsed

Scenes

I’m glad I’m high up in the East because I could’ve been tempted to jump the barrier and the shake the life out of him…..Youan encapsulated in one phase of play.

[Nicho87]

It was commented on in the match thread as well, numerous posters agreed on it.

Fair enough mate

I’m row cc east and never realised

Besides that if we forget that blip, he was still rotten like 10 others

[Hibs90]

How could you know he left it because Newell was down injured? Was right in front of me and just looked like he couldn’t be arsed going for it

It seemed pretty obvious to me at the time and others.

[hibee-boys]

It seemed pretty obvious to me at the time and others.

We were on the counter attack, not buying that at all…..it wasn’t a head wound. Even if it was because Joe was down, which I very much doubt, that highlights the mentality of him and pretty much all teams, thus far, under Monty. Zero aggression, zero football intelligence and always the easy option.

[Onceinawhile]

How could you know he left it because Newell was down injured? Was right in front of me and just looked like he couldn’t be arsed going for it

I agree. We also didn't get the ball back from the throw in.

[The Modfather]

Newell was down injured in the middle of the pitch so he let it go out.

So no, he didn't think 'naw I can't be arsed'.

Did he point it out to the ref or the St Mirren players that’s what he did? I thought St Mirren played on from the throw, not giving it back, which no one said a word about.

[WestStandWillie]

Yes. He’s a waste of a jersey (much like a few others)

[Bostonhibby]

Times up for a bit unless we can qualify for europe via a reincarnation of the Tennents sixes.

Never a team player in the 11 a side game. Some memorable moments but at this stage of the season must do better.

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[RIP]

Will be interesting to see how these players perform under a manager who knows what he's doing. I'd bet that any other SPL manager could use Elie in a more productive role than deep and wide.

[B.H.F.C]

Will be interesting to see how these players perform under a manager who knows what he's doing. I'd bet that any other SPL manager could use Elie in a more productive role than deep and wide.

I think the rest of the team is a huge problem where the likes of Youan are concerned. I don’t think his position is a massive issue in itself. Take the Rangers game for example, he was in plenty of good positions, end product was just lacking. But players like him need a solid team around them for them to be able to thrive. We have the exact opposite of that. It doesn’t help when he just decides not to try like today either though.

[VoltaireHibs]

I've been quite vocal about Youan, it's been obvious for a while that he is playing for himself, has zero tactical nous and basically wants to add to his highlights reel on instagram. Guys an expensive show pony.

In summation - 5 a side player. Get rid

[VoltaireHibs]

Will be interesting to see how these players perform under a manager who knows what he's doing. I'd bet that any other SPL manager could use Elie in a more productive role than deep and wide.

Managers like to be able to trust players. Can you honestly see any manager worth their salt trusting Youan?

No, is the answer.

[hibeerealist]

I would not give him 90 minutes he is not a starter, please note NM. Neither can you play him and Jair together, both got good parts of play but rarely hurt the opposition (well enough to be regular starters).

Lets see how much gametime they get when NM is gone (tonight if the board really care about HFC)

[andrew_dundee]

I agree with a lot of the criticisms, but even in a game where we're playing terribly he's probably still the player most likely to have the flash of skill or create something out of nothing.

[LaMotta]

Or taking ball in his own half with 2 players around him, trying to beat them and losing it for them to counter vs having their full back 1v1 wide at the edge of their box, 20 yards of space behind and passing it 30 yards back.
He seems un-coachable.

:agree:

Although, I heard Neil Warnock telling a story about the hugely talented but flawed genious he had at QPR.- Adel Tarrabt. He came in as manager and tranformed him. One of Warnocks first instructions to him was that Tarrabt should never be in his own half - if he was he would get fined. He recognised the type of player that he was. And he was phenomenal for Warnock at QPR. Youan is the type of player that should not be in his own half. Monty aint using him correctly.