Mic up refs and VAR

[truehibernian]

Do it now - it’s 2023, technology makes it easy to do, other sports have had it for years - Hibs should lobby for this asap 👍 any contentious penalty box decision immediate VAR check - maybe consider allowing either side 3 independent chances in a game to have decisions reviewed (which would be a UEFA ruling no doubt)

Urgently needs lobbied and reviewed by all top clubs - the corruption in Scotland officiating is beyond the pale now.

[Trinity Hibee]

Has to happen ASAP. There’s no excuse in todays game for it not to be live.

[Scottie]

It works for rugby union & rugby league so why not give it a go in football ?

We all know why they don’t though.

[Kato]

No chance

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[A Hi-Bee]

Never gonna happen,

[erin go bragh]

Var has actually made the game more corrupt.

[Moulin Yarns]

Do it now - it’s 2023, technology makes it easy to do, other sports have had it for years - Hibs should lobby for this asap 👍 any contentious penalty box decision immediate VAR check - maybe consider allowing either side 3 independent chances in a game to have decisions reviewed (which would be a UEFA ruling no doubt)

Urgently needs lobbied and reviewed by all top clubs - the corruption in Scotland officiating is beyond the pale now.

100%

Also, offside needs to be daylight between offside player and last defender, not a bawhair as it seems to be!

[HoboHarry]

Var has actually made the game more corrupt.

Not even subtely corrupt but right out there in plain sight of the fans faces. We get hard done by regularly and seeing the way Arsenal got absolutely shafted this weekend made me wonder (again) what the point of VAR is.

[Joe6-2]

Var has actually made the game more corrupt.

It’s proved beyond a doubt it’s corrupt

[SHODAN]

It'll be a cold day in hell before Scottish referees voluntarily agree to any degree of accountability.

[McD]

It'll be a cold day in hell before Scottish referees voluntarily agree to any degree of accountability.



In the highly unlikely event that uefa or fifa mandate this, watch Scottish football drag its feet in implementing this, with every excuse under the sun used to delay it. We don’t even have the number of cameras that leagues use, and it took us ages to get var put in in the first place

[ruthven_raiders]

100%

Also, offside needs to be daylight between offside player and last defender, not a bawhair as it seems to be!

That has been discussed by FIFA, will take out all this nonsense...

[Moulin Yarns]

That has been discussed by FIFA, will take out all this nonsense...

Good. It needs to be clearly offside as I suggested, 5 or 10m marks up the touchline so VAR is able to get the lines correct.

[ruthven_raiders]

Good. It needs to be clearly offside as I suggested, 5 or 10m marks up the touchline so VAR is able to get the lines correct.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/offside-fifa-arsene-wenger-rule-30371474

[Criswell]

The introduction of VAR has proved what I always thought was going to to happen: one team and one team only was going to benefit from it. A cheats charter.

[J-C]

They're mic'd up at rugby and you can hear both VAR and the ref during any decisions, it needs to happen to make things more clear.

[staunchhibby]

Would happily pay for mic as you do at rugby

[Bristolhibby]

Been saying this for ages. It’s done at the rugby and NFL.

Don’t buy the “but there’s more breaks in both games”.

Fans just want to be informed, not treated like idiots that can’t cope with hearing or seeing a decision.

While we are at it, like in rugby, get the replays up on the big screens. Refs are big boys. They can’t be swayed by the crowd if it’s there in full jumbotron colour.

J

[J-C]

Rugby can be very tactical with multiple breaks for scrums and lineouts, plus not easy to see a try with 6+ guys all hiding the ball from the ref and the NFL is geared around tv, so lots of breaks anyway.

[Smartie]

Rugby can be very tactical with multiple breaks for scrums and lineouts, plus not easy to see a try with 6+ guys all hiding the ball from the ref and the NFL is geared around tv, so lots of breaks anyway.

We wouldn't need to use it every 2 minutes though (unlike the NFL), it could be used sparingly to get the big decisions correct. Most of the decisions in football are obvious and don't require intervention.

The lack of openness just contributes to the feeling that they've got something to hide.

[heretoday]

They're mic'd up at rugby and you can hear both VAR and the ref during any decisions, it needs to happen to make things more clear.

But they're all articulate university types in the rugby. If our refs got mic'd up there would be an orgy of bad language.

[nonshinyfinish]

But they're all articulate university types in the rugby. If our refs got mic'd up there would be an orgy of bad language.

Here's a rare example of what we might get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itx_v7TZ3YA

I enjoy the lino screaming "DOGSO, DOGSO" but it might get a bit grating after a few games.

[He's here!]

Var has actually made the game more corrupt.

I'd happily see it scrapped.

I assumed there was some 'science' behind it that in this AI age made it irrefutable, but it seems open to human error, especially when it comes to the drawing of the (supposed) offside line.

[WeeRussell]

We wouldn't need to use it every 2 minutes though (unlike the NFL), it could be used sparingly to get the big decisions correct. Most of the decisions in football are obvious and don't require intervention.

The lack of openness just contributes to the feeling that they've got something to hide.

I notice it being used far less in the NFL than I do in football. And as mentioned, it lends itself to video technology with the breaks in the game, when it is needed.

It’s already meant to be being used sparingly isn’t it? Yet it is the talking point in the majority of games now and is sucking the enjoyment out of the sport for me.

I don’t think it can work and still have the flowing, quick ‘beautiful’ game that is better than any other sport because of the feeling of scoring a goal. We’re just having to accept it for what it is now - might sound OTT but I’m more into other sports and even favouring them over some football matches far more than I ever thought I would. I can only see that continuing with the way the game is going and, while it’s still the best sport on the planet, the argument for it being so gets thinner all the time.

That’s not completely down to VAR, but it’s a huge factor for me.

[Smartie]

I notice it being used far less in the NFL than I do in football. And as mentioned, it lends itself to video technology with the breaks in the game, when it is needed.

It’s already meant to be being used sparingly isn’t it? Yet it is the talking point in the majority of games now and is sucking the enjoyment out of the sport for me.

I don’t think it can work and still have the flowing, quick ‘beautiful’ game that is better than any other sport because of the feeling of scoring a goal. We’re just having to accept it for what it is now - might sound OTT but I’m more into other sports and even favouring them over some football matches far more than I ever thought I would. I can only see that continuing with the way the game is going and, while it’s still the best sport on the planet, the argument for it being so gets thinner all the time.

That’s not completely down to VAR, but it’s a huge factor for me.

No, I agree.

I'm in favour of the concept of VAR, to be used sparingly and to help get the big calls right. The implementation of it, especially in Scotland, has been a disaster.

I'm increasingly getting into NFL. It maybe helps that I don't have a team so I don't see the games from a particular perspective (other than maybe the fantasy team one) so the refereeing doesn't bother me. My mate "supports" the cowboys and wasn't happy with some of the calls in their game last night. To my uneducated eye though the ref in the NFL do a cracking job, they use the technology appropriately to get to the right decisions. As an armchair fan, I don't really mind turning to my phone to have a wee look at Hibs.net etc whenever there is a break in play.

I'm also falling out of love with Hibs and Scottish football rapidly. We're just cannon fodder in a Scottish sectarian bun fight and I just can't really be arsed with it any more. It's hard to go a week without finding more to be disillusioned about.

[WeeRussell]

No, I agree.

I'm in favour of the concept of VAR, to be used sparingly and to help get the big calls right. The implementation of it, especially in Scotland, has been a disaster.

I'm increasingly getting into NFL. It maybe helps that I don't have a team so I don't see the games from a particular perspective (other than maybe the fantasy team one) so the refereeing doesn't bother me. My mate "supports" the cowboys and wasn't happy with some of the calls in their game last night. To my uneducated eye though the ref in the NFL do a cracking job, they use the technology appropriately to get to the right decisions. As an armchair fan, I don't really mind turning to my phone to have a wee look at Hibs.net etc whenever there is a break in play.

I'm also falling out of love with Hibs and Scottish football rapidly. We're just cannon fodder in a Scottish sectarian bun fight and I just can't really be arsed with it any more. It's hard to go a week without finding more to be disillusioned about.

👍 there seems to be more grievances with ‘calls’ in the NFL this season than I can remember before. And you’re right in that the use of technology etc really works for them… night and day compared to what it does in football anyway.

I won’t go into any more detail as it’ll be one for the NFL thread before long!

[McD]

Being able to hear the conversation between the officials won’t take any longer than it does now, it might even speed it up when they can’t collide to rig the outcome :whistle:


With the NFL, they went through quite a few growing pains with video review, and a lot of backlash (at one point the on field referees had nothing to do with it, and only officials in an office in New York could review things, regardless of where the match was). I also think the coaches being sllowed 1 challenge of decisions per half (or game?) has helped, as if the coach believes the ref’s call to be wrong, they can publicly have it looked at again. It’s not always overturned, but it does allow for grievance to be aired - if NM was able to challenge the penalty call at Hampden, might we have got the penalty after a review? Or to find an example more likely to get a fair hearing, the situation with Liverpool and Tottenham, if Klopp has been able to challenge the call?


It also took rugby some time to settle on the right format as well, although from memory I think they had transparency around the officials communicating from the start

[snedzuk]

Would happily pay for mic as you do at rugby

...if you want to hear The Sash sung during a game.

[McSwanky]

Being able to hear the conversation between the officials won’t take any longer than it does now, it might even speed it up when they can’t collide to rig the outcome :whistle:


With the NFL, they went through quite a few growing pains with video review, and a lot of backlash (at one point the on field referees had nothing to do with it, and only officials in an office in New York could review things, regardless of where the match was). I also think the coaches being sllowed 1 challenge of decisions per half (or game?) has helped, as if the coach believes the ref’s call to be wrong, they can publicly have it looked at again. It’s not always overturned, but it does allow for grievance to be aired - if NM was able to challenge the penalty call at Hampden, might we have got the penalty after a review? Or to find an example more likely to get a fair hearing, the situation with Liverpool and Tottenham, if Klopp has been able to challenge the call?


It also took rugby some time to settle on the right format as well, although from memory I think they had transparency around the officials communicating from the startI like the flag idea from the NFL or the challenge system in tennis, but that still assumes that the referee isn't going to favour a certain team or teams over others.

There's no right answer when the officials continue to act on the way they do.

Sent from my YAL-L21 using Tapatalk

[hibsforeurope]

Hibs should be writing to the SPFL/VAR and asking for the audio to be released from the offside AND the penalty decision. surely all challenges in the box should be reviewed under VAR, otherwise whats the point in it.

[wookie70]

Not sure what the refs sometimes say during the full game would be fit for a family audience. However in a controlled situation like a VAR review we should know what is going on. It is ridiculous that fans watching on TV have more of an idea than those in teh stadium. Play the replays on teh TV screens if the grounds have them

[overdrive]

Is it just me or do refs not seem to actually say much when it comes to VAR? Most of the time it seems like they are just listening and their mouth stays shut. Compare that to rugby where it is definitely a discussion between the ref and the video ref. They seem to come to a consensus. In football, the VAR tells the ref to go over to the screen. Again, it doesn’t look like they are having a discussion about anything, ref watches for a while then changes their decision even where something looks borderline.

[Onion]

The only question that needs asked is "What do you have to hide" ? If the SFA & Refs think they are competent, then they should have no problem with clubs and fans hearing the deliberation of key events in the game.

[SHODAN]

If UEFA ever tried to force this the SFA would be the first organisation to join a breakaway league.

[JimBHibees]

The only question that needs asked is "What do you have to hide" ? If the SFA & Refs think they are competent, then they should have no problem with clubs and fans hearing the deliberation of key events in the game.

Basically because they are unaccountable

[worcesterhibby]

Basically because they are unaccountable

scrap VaR, just gives the cheats a new tool

[Donegal Hibby]

When it was decided that VAR would be used in Scotland I genuinely thought it would be a good thing for the game though the same referees that are either corrupt or totally useless are getting put in charge of it time and time again.

At least if the refs and Var were mic'd up fans wouldn't be left in the dark every time a decision was made and it might help the fans to understand why decisions are either given or not though with the referees we have it would probably confuse us even more though 😂. Article here on Monty having his say about VAR .

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-boss-monty-backs-ange-var-fury-and-demands-consistency-over-clear-and-obvious-errors-4401293

[matty_f]

Would love to know why the VAR review for St Mirren’s penalty tonight focused on Obita’s foul and none of the other fouls happening in the box.

Genuinely, if there’s a rule or application of
VAR that means one foul supersedes others then it would be good to understand it.

As it is, it feels like we’ve been shafted by VAR again with very selective use of it.

[JimBHibees]

Would love to know why the VAR review for St Mirren’s penalty tonight focused on Obita’s foul and none of the other fouls happening in the box.

Genuinely, if there’s a rule or application of
VAR that means one foul supersedes others then it would be good to understand it.

As it is, it feels like we’ve been shafted by VAR again with very selective use of it.

Definitely shafted minor shirt pull then full on dive. Never a pen in a million years. Genuinely think they are trolling us at present.

[Wheat Hound]

Did McLean not initally award a free kick for Hibs? If so, why is the foul which caused that superseded by the Obita foul?

[The Harp Awakes]

I think micing up Beaton and the VAR official would have been telling at Hampden on Saturday. Probably went something like his:

VAR Official - What will we do? There's no freeze frame along the line. Can't tell if Boyle is off side or not'

Beaton - 'if in doubt I'll give offside.'

[Donegal Hibby]

Interesting article here on St mirren game .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/penalty-controversy-a-new-striker-and-an-accent-on-youth-talking-points-for-hibs-fans-4403271

[Silky]

Noticed the VAR tomorrow is none other than Greig Aitken, the VAR from Hampden on Saturday!

[Joe6-2]

Do it now - it’s 2023, technology makes it easy to do, other sports have had it for years - Hibs should lobby for this asap 👍 any contentious penalty box decision immediate VAR check - maybe consider allowing either side 3 independent chances in a game to have decisions reviewed (which would be a UEFA ruling no doubt)

Urgently needs lobbied and reviewed by all top clubs - the corruption in Scotland officiating is beyond the pale now.

This is definitely the only way forward, either this or bin it, total transparency needed but won’t hold my breath for that

[JimBHibees]

Noticed the VAR tomorrow is none other than Greig Aitken, the VAR from Hampden on Saturday!

Yep wonder if his guide dog is awake this week. Appalling ref as well from what I remember.

[Monktonhall 7]

A big bugbear for me is the additional time added to the 90 mins. At the game, the clock stops at 90, and I thought this was a “rule”. I then noticed in an English Premiership match at the weekend, that the extra time was highlighted, but the Stadium clock counted the extra minutes. So it’s obviously not a rule, just that our friends at the SFA prefer that the paying public are kept in the dark. Can’t understand why they would want that😳.

[HoboHarry]

A big bugbear for me is the additional time added to the 90 mins. At the game, the clock stops at 90, and I thought this was a “rule”. I then noticed in an English Premiership match at the weekend, that the extra time was highlighted, but the Stadium clock counted the extra minutes. So it’s obviously not a rule, just that our friends at the SFA prefer that the paying public are kept in the dark. Can’t understand why they would want that😳.

They are waiting for a directive from Govan HQ.

[GreenCastle]

The only question that needs asked is "What do you have to hide" ? If the SFA & Refs think they are competent, then they should have no problem with clubs and fans hearing the deliberation of key events in the game.

100% - until transparency I won’t trust it or the people using it.

Feels like a scam.

Don’t forget the higher up in the league you are the more you PAY for the system too! That was decided before it was introduced!

Couldn’t get more corrupt than that!

[Hibs4185]

All we’ll hear is

“Is that a penalty to rangers?”

“What about that one?”

“C’mon it’s the 89th minute, surely it’s a penalty”

“Yassss”

Followed by singing the sash