Is the manager good enough

[HibeeLife]

I’m concerned that he doesn’t understand the rules of football. First of all the “ clear and obvious error” comment about the offside then I see he’s quoted in the press as saying about the penalty decision “The rules of the game are you cant make contact with an opposing player in the box.”
He’s got a lot to learn, starting with the rules. Then he needs a lesson on subs. He’s a clown.

[Johnny_Leith]

For me, the way we played after the red card was more down to the players. You look at the goal, they were all over the place. I think the leadership needed to come on the park at that point. Where did the two in the middle of the park disappear to, one of which is a senior player and captain. I don’t think the manager could influence much at that point.

I would agree that we do lack leader's on the pitch, especially in comparison to recent times where we had gray, McGregor, Bartley, etc. Hanlon has played his best football without the armband imo, Marshall has been fairly uninspiring in all his duties and Newell looks like he's feeling the weight of the armband too.

In lieu of an on park presence I was hoping to see leadership from the sideline but it didn't look like that to me, there was no dynamic reaction to them going down to 10 or them going 1-0 up, just 'more of the same' instructions and then, **** it I'll throw on some 16 yos in hope.

I really hope I'm wrong and it all turns around for the better, it's not that the results have been awful so far (apart from Ibrox and last night) but there's so many reg flags that it makes me question the viability of Montgomery. He's inexperienced and I think the job might be too big for him, but here's hoping he can grow into it, and quickly.

[The Modfather]

Most of the teams in the league would bite your hand off for our squad.

How many of them would take our squad if we said we’ll give you £2/3m upwards to spend, and this is the squad you will have to show for it?

[easty]

I would agree that we do lack leader's on the pitch, especially in comparison to recent times where we had gray, McGregor, Bartley, etc. Hanlon has played his best football without the armband imo, Marshall has been fairly uninspiring in all his duties and Newell looks like he's feeling the weight of the armband too.

In lieu of an on park presence I was hoping to see leadership from the sideline but it didn't look like that to me, there was no dynamic reaction to them going down to 10 or them going 1-0 up, just 'more of the same' instructions and then, **** it I'll throw on some 16 yos in hope.

I really hope I'm wrong and it all turns around for the better, it's not that the results have been awful so far (apart from Ibrox and last night) but there's so many reg flags that it makes me question the viability of Montgomery. He's inexperienced and I think the job might be too big for him, but here's hoping he can grow into it, and quickly.

We had loads of ***** performances and results (worse than yesterdays) with Gray, McGregor, Bartley etc. all on the park.

[Pretty Boy]

How many of them would take our squad if we said we’ll give you £2/3m upwards to spend, and this is the squad you will have to show for it?

You only have to look at the excitement around potential investment and the chance to completely overhaul the squad to realise that a lot of people don't really believe this squad is all that.

It's better than what we are currently showing but 2 (arguably 3 or 4) managers can't all be getting it wrong. At some point we have to accept there are guys who are regulars and/or favourites who can and will be replaced by better. Results over 2 or 3 games might lie, over an quarter of athe season when you have played every team then they are probably fairly reflective of where you are as a team and for us that isn't a good place.

[easty]

How many of them would take our squad if we said we’ll give you £2/3m upwards to spend, and this is the squad you will have to show for it?

We’ve not spent £3m on this squad.

We prob spent a decent chunk on Vente, Levitt and Youan in the summer, but I reckon it cost us less than we brought in for Nisbet.

[easty]

You only have to look at the excitement around potential investment and the chance to completely overhaul the squad to realise that a lot of people don't really believe this squad is all that.

It's better than what we are currently showing but 2 (arguably 3 or 4) managers can't all be getting it wrong. At some point we have to accept there are guys who are regulars and/or favourites who can and will be replaced by better. Results over 2 or 3 games might lie, over an quarter of athe season when you have played every team then they are probably fairly reflective of where you are as a team and for us that isn't a good place.

The squad isn’t “all that”, but it’s as good as any squad outside Celtc and Rangers in my opinion. St Mirren sitting third, and have 2-3 really good players, but a better overall squad than us? Nah, not for me. Manager through there is getting a far better team performance than our manager is getting here. I don’t think Aberdeen or Hearts have a better squad than us either.

That’s not to say I don’t think we need new players. We’ve needed a centre half and a creative midfielder for ages.

[The Modfather]

We’ve not spent £3m on this squad.

We prob spent a decent chunk on Vente, Levitt and Youan in the summer, but I reckon it cost us less than we brought in for Nisbet.

The general consensus seemed to be we spent somewhere close to £2m this summer. We’ve spent big on the likes of Vente, Levitt, Youan, Boyle, Melkerson & Macallister. As well as fees for some of the development team, and signed the likes of Marshall etc who will be on a wage to match his experience. I don’t think we’ll be far off that in fees and wages over the last 3 or 4 windows.

[Johnny_Leith]

We had loads of ***** performances and results (worse than yesterdays) with Gray, McGregor, Bartley etc. all on the park.

I don't disagree with that but these guys were all regulars in a relatively successful period for the club that included a cup and championship win. They were leaders on the park was my point. I don't think we have similar now.

[The Modfather]

The squad isn’t “all that”, but it’s as good as any squad outside Celtc and Rangers in my opinion. St Mirren sitting third, and have 2-3 really good players, but a better overall squad than us? Nah, not for me. Manager through there is getting a far better team performance than our manager is getting here. I don’t think Aberdeen or Hearts have a better squad than us either.

That’s not to say I don’t think we need new players. We’ve needed a centre half and a creative midfielder for ages.

St Mirren might only have 2 or 3 really good players, but they have a really good team who are more than the sum of their parts. We have a good squad on paper, but who come together to make a team less than the sum of its parts over multiple managers.

[bordergreen]

Yes. Absolutely robbed tonight.

Agreed. I reported the robbery to the police on the way out. I think Montgomery is going to be a really good manager for us. Give him time.

[Pretty Boy]

The squad isn’t “all that”, but it’s as good as any squad outside Celtc and Rangers in my opinion. St Mirren sitting third, and have 2-3 really good players, but a better overall squad than us? Nah, not for me. Manager through there is getting a far better team performance than our manager is getting here. I don’t think Aberdeen or Hearts have a better squad than us either.

That’s not to say I don’t think we need new players. We’ve needed a centre half and a creative midfielder for ages.

The worry for me is that it's not just this manager. Newell and Doidge are on their 5th, Rocky his 3rd, Campbell his 4th, Boyle his 7th, Hanlon and Stevenson god alone knows.

Obviously some of them have enjoyed periods of success as well but we are in that cycle of 'the lads are gutted, we have let the manager down, we have to be better' to 'the training is so much more intense now, everyone is working harder, excited to get going' and repeat. At what point do some of these players get held responsible?

I think we have a squad that has a fair few good players in it but one which has consistently failed to prove it has a consistently good team within it. People complain about the subs yesterday but the bench was totally barren when it comes to game changing quality. Campbell was about as good as we had and that says it all.

[eastmainsmsh]

It’s been a continuous circle since Lennon left it’s been same players that has seen Ross Maloney Johnson go Monty appears to have united squad but again it’s same group who have underperformed under previous managers so can’t judge until he wants to get his own players in hopefully Monty is the man to get things going

[B.H.F.C]

St Mirren might only have 2 or 3 really good players, but they have a really good team who are more than the sun of their parts. We have a good squad on paper, but who come together to make a team less than the sum of its parts over multiple managers.

Have been saying similar. Player for player, we have some good ones but they don’t make up a good team. They don’t compliment each other and there is a huge lack of quality in key positions, particularly defensively.

[degenerated]

Are people genuinely calling for the club to sack our second manager before Christmas?You sound like you're surprised, the only thing that surprises me is that it took a whole 2 months before they started.

[B.H.F.C]

The worry for me is that it's not just this manager. Newell and Doidge are on their 5th, Rocky his 3rd, Campbell his 4th, Boyle his 7th, Hanlon and Stevenson god alone knows.

Obviously some of them have enjoyed periods of success as well but we are in that cycle of 'the lads are gutted, we have let the manager down, we have to be better' to 'the training is so much more intense now, everyone is working harder, excited to get going' and repeat. At what point do some of these player get held responsible?

I think we have a squad that has a fair few good players in it but one which has consistently failed to prove it has a consistently good team within it.

Said after the Ross County game that I’m sick of hearing the same pish from the players. Every new manager that comes in you hear the same garbage about them working harder than ever, how much they’re enjoying it and whatever else. As soon as the results aren’t forthcoming there will only be one person that suffers and they’ll be there to welcome the next one.

[NAE NOOKIE]

What's letting us down is decision making and lack of in game intelligence.

We dominated 70% of the game yesterday, but none of the players seemed to have the intelligence to manufacture a clear scoring chance, either collectively or individually. Sometimes they play it too safe ... how many times did we take a chance on a shot from outside the box when the opportunity arose?

Leaving ourselves wide open at the back against a team with 10 men was criminal. You beat 10 men by keeping the head and making sure you are secure at the back, hell even taking the game to extra time and counting on tiredness leading to an Aberdeen error would have been fine, the worst that would have happened is a penalty shoot out.

Ross County was the same, we had 3 point in the bag until the manager messed with a defence playing well by taking off Jeggo and Rocky.

Is NM good enough? It's far too early to tell, but he could make a far better job of convincing folk he is by not making dumb decisions like he did last Tuesday and getting his players to calm the **** down when the opposition hand us a gift like Aberdeen did at Hampden.

What is certain is that he is going to have to start picking up wins in the league. A draw away at St Mirren will be acceptable given their form, but not beating Kilmarnock at home next Saturday won't be. St Johnstone are having an absolute stinker of a season and they are currently a mere 4 points behind us with a game in hand.

The fact nobody is panicking yet simply boils down to the fact that none of the others has set the heather on fire this season either ... if we were to win in Paisley it seems mental to be able to say we would only be 4 points off 3rd place. In that regard we have been lucky so far, but eventually things are going to settle down and if we don't start winning games we can forget about Europe and could just as likely find ourselves in a playoff at the end of the season.

If that happens we'll have our answer .... but how many fans will stick with the team if we don't start picking up results?

[He's here!]

The worry for me is that it's not just this manager. Newell and Doidge are on their 5th, Rocky his 3rd, Campbell his 4th, Boyle his 7th, Hanlon and Stevenson god alone knows.

Obviously some of them have enjoyed periods of success as well but we are in that cycle of 'the lads are gutted, we have let the manager down, we have to be better' to 'the training is so much more intense now, everyone is working harder, excited to get going' and repeat. At what point do some of these players get held responsible?

I think we have a squad that has a fair few good players in it but one which has consistently failed to prove it has a consistently good team within it. People complain about the subs yesterday but the bench was totally barren when it comes to game changing quality. Campbell was about as good as we had and that says it all.

In what way would the players be held responsible? They can say all the right things about enjoying training, needing to be better etc but ultimately they know it's the manager who carries the can.

[RossScott1991]

Some of the takes on here since defeat are wild.

When we won the cup in 2016 we were absolutely dreadful in the sem v Dundee Utd and got battered. Should have lost 3 or 4 nil if it wasn’t for big Logan. That was a comfortably better Hibs team than yesterday with more leaders who get off the hook big time in that game.

Yesterday wasn’t even as bad as some are making out. Every manager is going to come with their flaws , so folk wanting Robinson or Mcinnes we will just be on here complaining about same things

Give the guy a chance and abit patience. If it still doesn’t look like it’s going anywhere come end of season make up your mind then.

I thought yesterday was ok in a cagey affair we had Aberdeen pinned most of it and they had numbers behind the ball. Scored a good goal that was deemed offside, created the better half chances in game.

A dreadful error from miller was costly. But when we won the cup that semi final was the biggest slice of Hibs luck I’ve seen at Hampden v Utd

[Onion]

Too early to judge the manager. Yes, we'd all have wanted better results under him but most would accept that the squad is weak in key areas and needs a lot of work. Goalkeeper needs replaced. 2 of the back 4 need replaced. Midfield needs overhauled - all problems that got the previous managers sacked.

What we do need to see is some signs of the manager getting the best out of this flawed group, clever use of subs, ability to change games (for th better !), motivated players and good team set up. To date, it's be a mixed bag.

[greenlex]

Too early to judge the manager. Yes, we'd all have wanted better results under him but most would accept that the squad is weak in key areas and needs a lot of work. Goalkeeper needs replaced. 2 of the back 4 need replaced. Midfield needs overhauled - all problems that got the previous managers sacked.

What we do need to see is some signs of the manager getting the best out of this flawed group, clever use of subs, ability to change games (for th better !), motivated players and good team set up. To date, it's be a mixed bag.
I actually think the back 4 is fine. Particularly the one that started yesterday. A better keeper wouldn’t go amiss. It’s midfield that needs the work. They seem individually fine but as a unit it’s weak.

[BoomtownHibees]

Who knows if he’s good enough or not? Far too early to tell despite some being desperate to be the first “told you so”

[BoomtownHibees]

I actually think the back 4 is fine. Particularly the one that started yesterday. A better keeper wouldn’t go amiss. It’s midfield that needs the work. They seem individually fine but as a unit it’s weak.

Do agree about the keeper and the midfield but a defence that continually loses goals like ours does needs major improvement or we won’t get anywhere, no matter how good the attacking players are

[JimBHibees]

Who knows if he’s good enough or not? Far too early to tell despite some being desperate to be the first “told you so”

Yep let's give the guy a proper chance for him to prove he is or isn't. Personally like what I see and hear from him.