Hibs v Ross County

[BoomtownHibees]

I can see the logic, Rocky will start v Aberdeen, why risk an injury when 2-0 up with 20 to go. It’s not a youngster he’s being replaced with either. Hindsight is great, but foresight is much better - and NM will, using quickly gained foresight, know Paul and Lewis are in there very last season at Hibs, and January will see defenders added.

He took Rocky off with half an hour to go. Too early to think the game was won at that point, even if it should have been

[1875Sean]

Another masterclass from the recruitment team. a 3 year extension:faf:

He needs to go out on loan, prob league 1

[JohnM1875]

I can see the logic, Rocky will start v Aberdeen, why risk an injury when 2-0 up with 20 to go. It’s not a youngster he’s being replaced with either. Hindsight is great, but foresight is much better - and NM will, using quickly gained foresight, know Paul and Lewis are in there very last season at Hibs, and January will see defenders added.

Why not just sub everyone off then just in case they get injured? Bringing off a CB who is strolling the game was mental and cost us points.

[wookie70]

Who subs off centre halfs for the sake of it though? You never see it happen yet Monty has done it a few times now. I actually called it at half time, I said he'd bring Hanlon on for Rocky.

I said that at the game too. I have never known managers to sub centre halves week in week out. I also thought when he brought Delf on he was asking for trouble. It was a crazy substitution and Jeggo doesn't seem to have any issue with playing lots of minutes. I dare say we could give the manager the benefit of the doubt and say he is playing the long game by keeping everyone in the squad in touching distance of playing. However, most managers are not here long enough to do that. We are well down the league, mostly due to LJ, but that comes with its own pressures. The subs may have been the biggest problem but we could have played the same boring football we did in the first half for that last 30 minutes and taken an easy win. A win tonight could have seen us half way through a very successful week. As it is the manager is now looking down teh barrel of a shocking week. A win on Saturday and tonight will be forgotten fairly quickly

[truehibernian]

He took Rocky off with half an hour to go. Too early to think the game was won at that point, even if it should have been

Agsin mate, hindsight is a wonderful thing. The ‘benefit’ now is we have an uninjured better centre half ready for the semi final.

I think the manager knows it was a mistake given the end result. But he’s literally weeks into a job with none of his own players and learning as much as he can before the window opens. Plus the semi final is a massive, winnable game which could take us to a final. Michael Stewart was right, he had an eye on both games tonight, and for me it’s understandable. Chances to get to a final and win a cup don’t come round often.

He’ll learn and we move on, hopefully the jolt the squad needs to impress upon them that there’s no divine right to win games and you work yer socks off regardless of being in a winning or losing position in games.

[TrinityHFC]

There’s a lot of ‘he’ll learn’ comments tonight. Wasn’t there a lot of angst previously when some were pointing out that he’d need to learn certain things? Are we not due a manager who’s already learned enough to be Hibs manager?

[B.H.F.C]

There’s a lot of ‘he’ll learn’ comments tonight. Wasn’t there a lot of angst previously when some were pointing out that he’d need to learn certain things? Are we not due a manager who’s already learned enough to be Hibs manager?

Agree. Thought he was really naive tonight. The subs he made were far too early. We’d been pretty ordinary but were in a really good position and had a good chance to go and build a bit confidence. We totally lost our way and the disruption of the team was unnecessary. We’re not good enough to do that and he should have realised that by now.

[BoomtownHibees]

Agsin mate, hindsight is a wonderful thing. The ‘benefit’ now is we have an uninjured better centre half ready for the semi final.

I think the manager knows it was a mistake given the end result. But he’s literally weeks into a job with none of his own players and learning as much as he can before the window opens. Plus the semi final is a massive, winnable game which could take us to a final. Michael Stewart was right, he had an eye on both games tonight, and for me it’s understandable. Chances to get to a final and win a cup don’t come round often.

He’ll learn and we move on, hopefully the jolt the squad needs to impress upon them that there’s no divine right to win games and you work yer socks off regardless of being in a winning or losing position in games.

He changes a centre half in pretty much every game at nearly the same time, not just because we’ve got a semi final to think about

[The Green Sea]

Baffled by people saying we needed to take players off because we have a semi on Saturday. The first half was like watching a game of walking football. No urgency, no drive and no energy.

[LewysGot2]

Baffled by people saying we needed to take players off because we have a semi on Saturday. The first half was like watching a game of walking football. No urgency, no drive and no energy.

Think possible reason might have been the lack of protection for our players from the officials. When Youan went down after two hefty unpunished challenges after an other there might have been a thought to keep certain players fit.

There was a distinct lack of energy tonight.

[DaveF]

Baffled by people saying we needed to take players off because we have a semi on Saturday. The first half was like watching a game of walking football. No urgency, no drive and no energy.

This saving players for Saturday chat is rubbish. We have played a dozen or so games, not 40 and players don't need rested. NM had had a ducking nightmare from start to finish tonight and he better learn quick.

[Crab apple]

Totally agree, I think the manager is coming in for tremendous stick tonight and unfairly so. We are 2-0 up and bringing on an experienced defender and pace up top who can stretch the game. I never ever trust Lewis and Paul in a back four these days and NM will have seen since Kilmarnock both are now spent forces and will go (think they formed the back 4 when we lost a two goal lead weeks ago).The keeper was shocking tonight, and when you’re looking for a club captain/experienced centre half to shore up and defend, Hanlon yet again played like he was on roller skates.

I can see why NM replaced Jeggo and Rocky as they’re certain starters at the weekend- the subs needed to show so so much more and they let the team down by being complacent, slow, and nervous. It’s them that need to look at themselves in the mirror, not just the manager.

As for that keeper - he’s ‘straight to DVD’ in film vernacular - awful, simply awful.

I’ll be really worried if Wollacot starts on Saturday. He looks very dodgy. Was he a LJ signing?

[B.H.F.C]

This saving players for Saturday chat is rubbish. We have played a dozen or so games, not 40 and players don't need rested. NM had had a ducking nightmare from start to finish tonight and he better learn quick.

Agree. Not buying the thought that we needed to save players for the weekend. That is obviously what he was looking to do but he didn’t need to. Very naive from him. Poor management.

[B.H.F.C]

I’ll be really worried if Wollacot starts on Saturday. He looks very dodgy. Was he a LJ signing?

Marshall will play at the weekend.

I think it’ll be the same team that played against Celtic.

[Musselbound]

Baffled by people saying we needed to take players off because we have a semi on Saturday. The first half was like watching a game of walking football. No urgency, no drive and no energy.

Good points and walking football is no exaggeration. The amount of time spent passing the ball back and forth between our defenders and keeper at 0-0 was almost beyond belief. Little urgency further up the park either although Levitt was very good and Tavares looked up for it.

[Callum_62]

This saving players for Saturday chat is rubbish. We have played a dozen or so games, not 40 and players don't need rested. NM had had a ducking nightmare from start to finish tonight and he better learn quick.It is 3 games in a week though to be fair - that's hard going for any squad and you'd be unlikely to see anyone not change it with that schedule

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[truehibernian]

Baffled by people saying we needed to take players off because we have a semi on Saturday. The first half was like watching a game of walking football. No urgency, no drive and no energy.

Protecting important players from injury, giving them game time and rest, squad rotation, believing those coming on are experienced enough to see the game out.

Brendan Rodgers done it v us on Saturday and he’s one of the best managers in the game. There’s a host of logical reasons.

I’m angry at the capitulation, but glass half full, NM has had around 8 games with none of his own players and suffered one defeat, won a quarter final against a form team, got a dogged draw from two behind at Tynie, and now has a chance to put things right (after tonight) and get us to a final - in under 10 games into his Hibs managerial career. Hopefully with a fresh Marshall, Rocky, Jeggo, Newell and Obita.

I get and understand the angst and frustration but cut the manager slack a little. Of course he’s still learning about players he’s never managed before. He’s only been here a couple of months and seeing a new league, better standards, more experienced managers. I’m not letting tonight get to me as much as others, I think we’ll be very good under his management- and he’ll learn from his mistakes tonight too.

[gaz1875]

That was utter garbage tonight, even at 2-0 up we were woeful. His style of play doesn't suit our players, our best players are having little impact in games.

[BlackSheep]

I think Monty underestimated the Ross County team tonight, He showed his hand too early and Malky Mackay took advantage. The own goal gave county a kick up the arse and let them back into the game and they punished us.

I said at halftime that the team on the park was more than capable of seeing out that game, I’ve heard people say the first half was like watching walking football, but it showed how easy we had it in the first half, Ross County barely laid a glove on us. Monty made the subs when he obviously thought that we had the game tied up and that showed a bit of naivety on Monty’s part.

Hopefully he will learn that the game isn’t over until it’s over, especially when Hibs are concerned.

As a lot of people have said, Monty is playing with a squad of players he inherited, and I think he has got a better tune out of them than Lee Johnson ever did. Given more time I think we will see his tactics are actually very well thought out and has us playing how we all enjoy seeing us playing.

If we can improve enough not to throw away games like tonight, then I think we will be good until January when Monty has the chance to bring in a couple of players of his choosing that could really make a difference to our team not to mention the return of some of our loanees, who may prosper under his better management Just look at Tavares, who isn’t yet firing on all cylinders, but that goal tonight will boost his confidence and we will hopefully see his talent come on leaps and bounds.

Perhaps his substitutions looked poor tonight, not because tactically they were wrong, but because some of the players who came on, didn’t perform as well as those who they replaced. so yes I agree they were pure from that perspective, and we can only hope that his decision not to persist with the starting 11 was down to him, having an eye on the semi-final at the weekend.

[TrinityHFC]

I think Monty underestimated the Ross County team tonight, He showed his hand too early and Malky Mackay took advantage. The own goal gave county a kick up the arse and let them back into the game and they punished us.

I said at halftime that the team on the park was more than capable of seeing out that game, I’ve heard people say the first half was like watching walking football, but it showed how easy we had it in the first half, Ross County barely laid a glove on us. Monty made the subs when he obviously thought that we had the game tied up and that showed a bit of naivety on Monty’s part.

Hopefully he will learn that the game isn’t over until it’s over, especially when Hibs are concerned.

As a lot of people have said, Monty is playing with a squad of players he inherited, and I think he has got a better tune out of them than Lee Johnson ever did. Given more time I think we will see his tactics are actually very well thought out and has us playing how we all enjoy seeing us playing.

If we can improve enough not to throw away games like tonight, then I think we will be good until January when Monty has the chance to bring in a couple of players of his choosing that could really make a difference to our team not to mention the return of some of our loanees, who may prosper under his better management Just look at Tavares, who isn’t yet firing on all cylinders, but that goal tonight will boost his confidence and we will hopefully see his talent come on leaps and bounds.

Perhaps his substitutions looked poor tonight, not because tactically they were wrong, but because some of the players who came on, didn’t perform as well as those who they replaced. so yes I agree they were pure from that perspective, and we can only hope that his decision not to persist with the starting 11 was down to him, having an eye on the semi-final at the weekend.

Maybe if you’re looking only at our 3 league games this season under Johnson. To say he is getting a better tune out of them than he ever did is a huge stretch. A long way to go to be challenging for third, getting Boyle and Youan firing etc. We are currently a bit more comparable to Hibs under Maloney.

[snedzuk]

but if he keeps them on we win 2-0 and there knackered for Saturday that's also criminal, it cant always be the manager at some point the players have to take the blame, Boyle Hanlon and delferiere where sent on tonight wasnt a bunch of youngsters who dont know the game

Hopefully they won't need to play 120 minutes on Saturday then or we'll be fielding the tea lady against St Mirren

[LaMotta]

Baffled by people saying we needed to take players off because we have a semi on Saturday. The first half was like watching a game of walking football. No urgency, no drive and no energy.


This saving players for Saturday chat is rubbish. We have played a dozen or so games, not 40 and players don't need rested. NM had had a ducking nightmare from start to finish tonight and he better learn quick.


I’ll be really worried if Wollacot starts on Saturday. He looks very dodgy. Was he a LJ signing?

:agree::agree::agree:

It's absolute nonsense. Unless they are carrying knocks players can play 3 games in 7 days without any problem.

[truehibernian]

:agree::agree::agree:

It's absolute nonsense. Unless they are carrying knocks players can play 3 games in 7 days without any problem.

Man City had three different line ups in the last 8 days - even the very top managers rotate and refresh for very good reason, at all levels of football. They’re human, not robots, unless yer Haaland of course 😉

[Donegal Hibby]

:agree::agree::agree:

It's absolute nonsense. Unless they are carrying knocks players can play 3 games in 7 days without any problem.

Manager confirmed there were a few players who had picked up knocks , Playing them might possibly put them out long term which nobody wants ! .

[LaMotta]

Man City had three different line ups in the last 8 days - even the very top managers rotate and refresh for very good reason, at all levels of football. They’re human, not robots, unless yer Haaland of course 😉

Man City have a squad worth hundreds of millions with top players for every position at least twice over, wee bit different from us:wink:

[truehibernian]

Man City have a squad worth hundreds of millions with top players for every position at least twice over, wee bit different from us:wink:

It’s not, it’s different levels but the principles are the same whatever league - players get knocks, quick turnarounds in fixtures can energy sap you, future planning (a semi final on a huge pitch), and risk aversion (injuries), game and squad management - every single manager does it, even in our league.

We drew a game, the subs were poor, we move on. But unless you’ve been a professional footballer you can’t say glibly players can play at peak performance three games in seven days. It’s simply not possible unless you’re an absolute team of machines. The semi final is much more important than tonight was/is. A chance to get to a final and win a cup. That’s bound to have been in the minds of the coaching team and dare I say the players.

[LaMotta]

It’s not, it’s different levels but the principles are the same whatever league - players get knocks, quick turnarounds in fixtures can energy sap you, future planning (a semi final on a huge pitch), and risk aversion (injuries), game and squad management - every single manager does it, even in our league.

We drew a game, the subs were poor, we move on. But unless you’ve been a professional footballer you can’t say glibly players can play at peak performance three games in seven days. It’s simply not possible unless you’re an absolute team of machines. The semi final is much more important than tonight was/is. A chance to get to a final and win a cup. That’s bound to have been in the minds of the coaching team and dare I say the players.

I dont have to be a pro footballer to have that opinion.

Celtic just played 3 games in 6 days and, for example, two of their most important players (McGregor and Carter Vickers) played in all 3. So Brendan Rodgers feels it is ok.

If anything playing 90 minutes tonight could have some players sharper and fully conditioned to play 90 minutes or more on Saturday.

One thing's for sure, if we get a win tonight we are going into Saturdays semi in a better psycological place than we are having thrown away a two goal lead.

[Trinity Hibee]

The common theme here is the players who have got the last 3 managers the sack. We have not seen a change in style between all of these managers and consistently turn out poor performances which in turn gives poor results. I don’t know what the answer is other than a massive clear out as so many of these players are not good enough.

This might sound odd to say at this stage but we have already kissed 3rd place goodbye tonight. So far off where we need to be it’s unreal. 11pts from 11 games is relegation form, not that I think we’ll get relegated but 3rd isn’t happening. Complete waste of money on crap players yet again.

[Allant1981]

Baffled by people saying we needed to take players off because we have a semi on Saturday. The first half was like watching a game of walking football. No urgency, no drive and no energy.

Yip it wasn't exactly an energy draining game, that first half was one of the most boring flat games I've been to in a long time

[Nicho87]

Yip it wasn't exactly an energy draining game, that first half was one of the most boring flat games I've been to in a long time

Been a theme under Monty to be honest

[mcohibs]

Singings in January should see an end to Hanlon and Stevenson’s time at Hibs, I’m sorry. Love them both for what they’ve done for the club but they are so far off what we need to be challenging for third. No better than a lot of players in the rest of the league in their respective positions.

Look at what Miller provides on one side of defence in comparison to Stevenson. Hanlon when he came on last night was heart in the mouth stuff.

[Trinity Hibee]

Singings in January should see an end to Hanlon and Stevenson’s time at Hibs, I’m sorry. Love them both for what they’ve done for the club but they are so far off what we need to be challenging for third. No better than a lot of players in the rest of the league in their respective positions.

Look at what Miller provides on one side of defence in comparison to Stevenson. Hanlon when he came on last night was heart in the mouth stuff.

How many times has this been said though? We keep bringing in players who don’t start games. Harbottle has barely been seen

[JimBHibees]

How many times has this been said though? We keep bringing in players who don’t start games. Harbottle has barely been seen

Got to assume he must be injured.

[Gatecrasher]

I have to admit, that result stings, we need to be so much better than that. Montgomery needs to take most of the blame as well which is extremely disappointing to see our new manager make such basic errors.

The guy barely knows the league and taking chances on line ups and subs like that is uncalled for when we have an extra recovery day for the semi final and playing at home. I would say I hope he learns from this, and I hope he does but we simply cannot be throwing away three points like that.

[Crunchie]

I have to admit, that result stings, we need to be so much better than that. Montgomery needs to take most of the blame as well which is extremely disappointing to see our new manager make such basic errors.

The guy barely knows the league and taking chances on line ups and subs like that is uncalled for when we have an extra recovery day for the semi final and playing at home. I would say I hope he learns from this, and I hope he does but we simply cannot be throwing away three points like that.
He brought on Hanlon and Boyle in the 64th minute, 2 players whom the majority of this board consider to be 2 of our best players, we were 2-0 up.
Hanlon's first contribution was to flap at a ball in the box and nearly give away a penalty, there was no one near him.
I blame Hanlon for what happened last night not the gaffer, thankfully I think he has his number and it won't happen again.

[Allant1981]

He brought on Hanlon and Boyle in the 64th minute, 2 players whom the majority of this board consider to be 2 of our best players, we were 2-0 up.
Hanlon's first contribution was to flap at a ball in the box and nearly give away a penalty, there was no one near him.
I blame Hanlon for what happened last night not the gaffer, thankfully I think he has his number and it won't happen again.

Don't think most of the board consider hanlon to be one of our best players, experienced yes but certainly not one of our best players. There was no need for the substitution but agree the flap was all on hanlon, probably should have been a penalty

[BobbyT1875]

He brought on Hanlon and Boyle in the 64th minute, 2 players whom the majority of this board consider to be 2 of our best players, we were 2-0 up.
Hanlon's first contribution was to flap at a ball in the box and nearly give away a penalty, there was no one near him.
I blame Hanlon for what happened last night not the gaffer, thankfully I think he has his number and it won't happen again.
Was hanlon in goal’s when keeper threw one in the net. Was hanlon wearing Will fish jersey when he got done for second goal. We didn’t play well last night but at two nil should have seen game out without taking risks . They were always going to throw men forward, we should have hit them on the break

[Crunchie]

Was hanlon in goal’s when keeper threw one in the net. Was hanlon wearing Will fish jersey when he got done for second goal. We didn’t play well last night but at two nil should have seen game out without taking risks . They were always going to throw men forward, we should have hit them on the break
Good morning Paul :wink:

[Brightside]

Got to assume he must be injured.

He’s not injured. Been training constantly and played in the Dev game.

[Brightside]

Good morning Paul :wink:

Hanlons first touch was a powerful header to clear a long ball. He out muscled the county forward to ensure he got it. If you are going to slate him at least get the chronological order correct.

[Crunchie]

Hanlons first touch was a powerful header to clear a long ball. He out muscled the county forward to ensure he got it. If you are going to slate him at least get the chronological order correct.
I could count on one hand the amount of times I've seen Hanlon out muscle anyone in a game, as for the powerful header, comedy gold even for you :faf:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The changes never fresh air punched a cross to be fair

Definitely the keeper at fault there.

[SickBoy32]

Was hanlon in goal’s when keeper threw one in the net. Was hanlon wearing Will fish jersey when he got done for second goal. We didn’t play well last night but at two nil should have seen game out without taking risks . They were always going to throw men forward, we should have hit them on the break

Spot on, Hanlon didn't do much wrong for me - other than the mishap with the swipe in the box / ricochet off the arm

The goalie was absolutely dreadful last night, we were cruising at 2-0 and his flap let RC back into the game, from that point on we struggled. Taking Jeggo off for Delf also appeared to significantly impact our control of the game.

Tavares was really good last night for 60/70, but thought he should've been replaced at that point as he appeared to run out of steam

Win on Saturday and last night will quickly be forgotten

[Musselbound]

Spot on, Hanlon didn't do much wrong for me - other than the mishap with the swipe in the box / ricochet off the arm

The goalie was absolutely dreadful last night, we were cruising at 2-0 and his flap let RC back into the game, from that point on we struggled. Taking Jeggo off for Delf also appeared to significantly impact our control of the game.

Tavares was really good last night for 60/70, but thought he should've been replaced at that point as he appeared to run out of steam

Win on Saturday and last night will quickly be forgotten

I'm not sure why Wollacott is getting so much stick for last night. Like Hanlon he made one bad mistake. Hanlon's was lucky not to cost us another goal. Wollacott made a few good saves towards the end of the game which actually got us a point. He made a few really good passes out from the back but was also too slow in the build up at times. That could be said of a lot of the team though. Too early to judge but far from dreadful last night imo.

I agree with your point about Tavares.

[JimBHibees]

He’s not injured. Been training constantly and played in the Dev game.

Ok surprised not been involved.

[Victor]

Ok surprised not been involved.

Must be something about him that the training staff don’t like. If they were willing to give Jair a chance and some of the youngsters, then they must not think he is good enough to bring into the first team squad. Makes you wonder who brought him to Hibs.


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[Hibby Bairn]

Spot on, Hanlon didn't do much wrong for me - other than the mishap with the swipe in the box / ricochet off the arm

The goalie was absolutely dreadful last night, we were cruising at 2-0 and his flap let RC back into the game, from that point on we struggled. Taking Jeggo off for Delf also appeared to significantly impact our control of the game.

Tavares was really good last night for 60/70, but thought he should've been replaced at that point as he appeared to run out of steam

Win on Saturday and last night will quickly be forgotten

The only substitution requiring to be made was Jair off and Campbell/Delf on. Close out the game and win 2/3 nil.

[hibee-boys]

The only substitution requiring to be made was Jair off and Campbell/Delf on. Close out the game and win 2/3 nil.

Not sure Ross County would’ve been happy with us playing with 12 men🤔

[wookie70]

I'm not sure why Wollacott is getting so much stick for last night. Like Hanlon he made one bad mistake. Hanlon's was lucky not to cost us another goal. Wollacott made a few good saves towards the end of the game which actually got us a point. He made a few really good passes out from the back but was also too slow in the build up at times. That could be said of a lot of the team though. Too early to judge but far from dreadful last night imo.

I agree with your point about Tavares.

Hanlon gets torn a new one when he makes a single goal costing mistake in an otherwise good performance. Often that mistake is a small part in why we conceded. Wallocot was pretty much all to blame for a cross from deep, which he saw all the way was flapped at and missed which resulted in the game turning. He also flapped at one after that before making a couple of routine saves. Montgomery was to blame with the subs and also for swapping keepers after Marshall had a really good game against Celtc and kept a clean sheet. A complete waste of two points especially as County were poor on the night.

I will agree that it is too early to judge but the signs aren't good.