The golden rule: always avoid hibs.net after a defeat.

[Cat Stanton]

This place is insane. Since the new manager has come in, I've enjoyed football again. I was dreading games under Johnson, now I can't wait to enjoy Saturdays once more. Even 0-0 v Dundee was still enjoyable because we are back to playing passing, attacking football, not the hoofball horror show that Johnson implemented.

I didn’t go to Ibrox yesterday (because it's frankly an unpleasant place to go) but by all accounts we played poorly. But it's the first defeat under the new manager in six games. Yet this place is in meltdown. Not, of course, that that reflects the views of the majority because the majority are sensible. But the knee-jerk nonsense from the minority who rush to scream and froth at the first defeat in six games (and, er, away at multi-million-pound Sevco under a new manager ffs) is frankly lunacy. Get a grip, for goodness sake.

See you in a few days when hopefully things have calmed down….

[bingo70]

The reaction has been ridiculous. First half wasn’t even that bad, was nothing between the teams up until the second goal (that Marshall should have saved).

[easty]

I’ve not read any of the post match guff. It’s always expected. Things are great or things are horrendous. There’s rarely an inbetween.

I’ve posted a few times in the last week that I haven’t saw the big turnaround under NM that some people have, so I wasn’t surprised by yesterday at all.

That said, we are looking slightly better, and I still think there’s plenty time to get things right.

Away to Rangers isn’t a game that I’m judging a Hibs manager or squad on. Let’s turn over Ross County on Halloween and put a run of results together. 3rd has still got to be the target. No reason not to be there or thereabouts come the end of the season. We’ve too many good (for this level) attacking players not to be able to outscore most teams in the league.

[WhileTheChief..]

Meltdown??? Not seeing it.

I've read folk saying the result and performance yesterday were crap and that we need to improve, but very little seethe, and no one is calling for anyone's head.

Are we really classing that as a meltdown from now on?

This whole forum has been pretty tame since NM came in. Hardly any dissenting voices and generally it's been a positive place since LJ got punted.

[Skol]

Meltdown??? Not seeing it.

I've read folk saying the result and performance yesterday were crap and that we need to improve, but very little seethe, and no one is calling for anyone's head.

Are we really classing that as a meltdown from now on?

This whole forum has been pretty tame since NM came in. Hardly any dissenting voices and generally it's been a positive place since LJ got punted.

It was tame because we had not lost a game. Now we have it is a brutal over reaction.

[Brightside]

It’s exactly what we see after any defeat tbh. Utter nonsense. If we beat rangers it’s a one off. They spend more on one player than we spend on a squad. Someone suggested removing about 7 players. 😂

[Hibbyradge]

Meltdown??? Not seeing it.

I've read folk saying the result and performance yesterday were crap and that we need to improve, but very little seethe, and no one is calling for anyone's head.

Are we really classing that as a meltdown from now on?

This whole forum has been pretty tame since NM came in. Hardly any dissenting voices and generally it's been a positive place since LJ got punted.

I agree. I haven't seen anything remotely like a meltdown.

People are understandably disapointed with the performance which was very poor, and there's some discussion about whether sticking to 442 is a wise strategy.

There maybe been a couple of the more vocal posters taking a tougher line, but in general, the forum has been calm.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think it's been all that bad.

I tend to just skim read most threads post match, win or lose, though so I might be missing the meltdown stuff.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I agree. I haven't seen anything remotely like a meltdown.

People are understandably disapointed with the performance which was very poor, and there's some discussion about whether sticking to 442 is a wise strategy.

There maybe been a couple of the more vocal posters taking a tougher line, but in general, the forum has been calm.

Absolutely. Other than Bingo going round calling people babies for being even just the slightest bit critical I’ve seen nothing close to a meltdown :greengrin

If people think this is meltdown territory I can only think they’ve only followed any form of sport for 5 minutes.

[BILLYHIBS]

Golden Rule 2

Never post when pissed

Especially after a defeat

[bingo70]

Absolutely. Other than Bingo going round calling people babies for being even just the slightest bit critical I’ve seen nothing close to a meltdown :greengrin

If people think this is meltdown territory I can only think they’ve only followed any form of sport for 5 minutes.

I think the reaction on that thread was OTT.

People declaring that NM will definitely fail as Hibs manager if he doesn’t change formation because of one defeat at Ibrox is cry baby stuff imo.

I agree with the OP that the reaction after the game was hysterical, I’ve not read anything other than this thread so far today so I’m not sure if the tone has changed since last night.

Ya big bunch of babies.

[bingo70]

Golden Rule 2

Never post when pissed

Especially after a defeat

I’m not prepared to commit to that rule.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think the reaction on that thread was OTT.

People declaring that NM will definitely fail as Hibs manager if he doesn’t change formation because of one defeat at Ibrox is cry baby stuff imo.

I agree with the OP that the reaction after the game was hysterical, I’ve not read anything other than this thread so far today so I’m not sure if the tone has changed since last night.

Ya big bunch of babies.

Again though, I’d have said that about 4-4-2 last week, last month, last year. I’ve even said it on here previously before I’d heard of Nick Montgomery when people used to put up their starting 11s and say they want us to just go 4-4-2 and get back to basics etc.

He’ll absolutely fail here if we persist with 4-4-2 playing two wingers and I’m of that opinion regardless of what happened yesterday.

[SHODAN]

About time we just put the people who always want the manager out/throw around playground insults after one defeat in charge. They clearly know exactly what the problems and solutions are.

[JohnM1875]

About time we just put the people who always want the manager out/throw around playground insults after one defeat in charge. They clearly know exactly what the problems and solutions are.

I'd give them a game then they'd sack themselves.

[Hibrandenburg]

We've got them where we want them. We've lulled them into a false sense of security and will tank them in the League Cup Final. :greengrin

[Brightside]

I think the reaction on that thread was OTT.

People declaring that NM will definitely fail as Hibs manager if he doesn’t change formation because of one defeat at Ibrox is cry baby stuff imo.

I agree with the OP that the reaction after the game was hysterical, I’ve not read anything other than this thread so far today so I’m not sure if the tone has changed since last night.

Ya big bunch of babies.
Yep from people that wouldn’t know a formation from a foxtrot.

[Iain G]

Again though, I’d have said that about 4-4-2 last week, last month, last year. I’ve even said it on here previously before I’d heard of Nick Montgomery when people used to put up their starting 11s and say they want us to just go 4-4-2 and get back to basics etc.

He’ll absolutely fail here if we persist with 4-4-2 playing two wingers and I’m of that opinion regardless of what happened yesterday.

That's a very blanket statement though? What if we sign better players for his system, or our decision making starts to improve as we play it more, or he uses variations of 442 to good and positive effect? He has an identity in how he wants to play and it's good to see a manager with clear ideas.

Looking forward to the 442 journey with you 😁

[HarpOnHibee]

Problem is, we didn't lose 4-0 yesterday because Rangers were magnificent or put on a great technical display. They worked hard and pressed high, but that's all they needed to do. Our tactics were shambolic and it's quite right for that to be pointed out. Not an overreaction, just a statement of the obvious.

[Stuart93]

“Avoid hibs net” but comes on hibs net to make a thread and doesn’t avoid it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's a very blanket statement though? What if we sign better players for his system, or our decision making starts to improve as we play it more, or he uses variations of 442 to good and positive effect? He has an identity in how he wants to play and it's good to see a manager with clear ideas.

Looking forward to the 442 journey with you 😁

It’s a blanket statement that’s easy to make because on our budget we’re not going to be signing 2 centre midfielders of a standard that will be able to compete against 3 men in the middle every week and have a successful season when doing so. Celtic could maybe do it with the likes of Hatate and McGregor because they’re so far ahead of the rest of the league. We definitely won’t be able to with 2 of Newell, Jeggo and Levitt or any other player that ends up signing for us unless we unearth the second coming of SJM.

If we play a different variation of a 4-4-2, a diamond for example, then that’s a bit different as it gives you more numbers in the most important area of the pitch, but that’s not what Montgomery apparently plays, hence why I said a 4-4-2 with two wingers.

I’m sure we’ll all be able to make our mind up soon enough on whether it’s working or not. If he sticks with it then unfortunately I don’t think it will be.

[Wilson]

Also avoid it before a defeat, and during a game.

Close season is the only time to use it. But avoid the transfer thread. Nonsense.

[hibby rae]

Golden Rule 2

Never post when pissed

Especially after a defeat

One of the problems of social media, in days gone by you'd have a quick rant in the pub with your pals, get it out your system, and it would be done with. Now it perpetuates, people get drawn into arguments, they won't let them go, and they escalate.

One of the best things .net could do would be to block everyone for a few hours after a defeat, would be beneficial for some people's mental health.

Tbh I don't go near it after a defeat, sometimes don't after a draw haha

[hibby rae]

Also avoid it before a defeat, and during a game.

Close season is the only time to use it. But avoid the transfer thread. Nonsense.

Can you pm me when this is about to happen at home, means I can do something else that day :wink::wink::greengrin

[Forza Fred]

Imagine what it will be like after we play Celtic on the weekend!🤪🤪🤪

[J-C]

I had no meltdown, I thought we were too open and the defence/Marshall were poor. I love the fact he wants to be attacking but against the better sides, the players have to be at the top of their game or he changes tactics. We seen on Saturday when 3-4 players aren't at it, we can struggle a bit.

Rangers aren't a great side and a 4-0 loss to them isn't great.

[Brightside]

It’s a blanket statement that’s easy to make because on our budget we’re not going to be signing 2 centre midfielders of a standard that will be able to compete against 3 men in the middle every week and have a successful season when doing so. Celtic could maybe do it with the likes of Hatate and McGregor because they’re so far ahead of the rest of the league. We definitely won’t be able to with 2 of Newell, Jeggo and Levitt or any other player that ends up signing for us unless we unearth the second coming of SJM.

If we play a different variation of a 4-4-2, a diamond for example, then that’s a bit different as it gives you more numbers in the most important area of the pitch, but that’s not what Montgomery apparently plays, hence why I said a 4-4-2 with two wingers.

I’m sure we’ll all be able to make our mind up soon enough on whether it’s working or not. If he sticks with it then unfortunately I don’t think it will be.

Our wingers don't stay wide though. One tucks in to make a 3. Or a forward drops back. We do not play a flat 442. We haven't done that at any point since he arrived. Its mental that people keep going on about 442. We got beat simply due to their players being better and our players not performing at their best.

[Crunchie]

Our wingers don't stay wide though. One tucks in to make a 3. Or a forward drops back. We do not play a flat 442. We haven't done that at any point since he arrived. Its mental that people keep going on about 442. We got beat simply due to their players being better and our players not performing at their best.
I agree, we're very flexible during games, it's never been a rigid 442 especially with the players he's fielding up front.

[JimBHibees]

Our wingers don't stay wide though. One tucks in to make a 3. Or a forward drops back. We do not play a flat 442. We haven't done that at any point since he arrived. Its mental that people keep going on about 442. We got beat simply due to their players being better and our players not performing at their best.

Totally agree a lot of Mike Bassets in our support 😄

There is huge flexibility in the team. A lot down to individual errors

[Paulie Walnuts]

Our wingers don't stay wide though. One tucks in to make a 3. Or a forward drops back. We do not play a flat 442. We haven't done that at any point since he arrived. It’s mental that people keep going on about 442. We got beat simply due to their players being better and our players not performing at their best.

Rangers first goal, Youan is away out on the left, Boyle is out on the right. Neither of them are tucking in to make a 3.

Rangers second goal, Youan is out on the left, Boyle is out on the right. Neither are tucking in to make a 3.

In general play in every game since Montgomery came in, Boyle and Youan are playing wide, they’re absolutely not dropping in to create a central midfield 3. They’re wide menand they’re playing as wide men both with and without the ball.

In no game of football in history has every player stayed in the exact position that a formation places them in for the full 90 minutes (and that goes for all formations), the idea that because the full back might overlap the winger at one point or a striker might track back so it’s no longer a 4-4-2 etc is nonsense. The system we play is 4-4-2.

As for the Rangers game, I wouldn’t disagree that we got beat because they have better players. I’m not talking about the Rangers game in isolation though, I’m talking about more generally, 4-4-2 with 2 wingers will not deliver us success.

[Brightside]

In general play in every game since Montgomery came in, Boyle and Youan are playing wide, they’re absolutely not dropping in to create a central midfield 3. They’re wide menand they’re playing as wide men both with and without the ball.



Thats just completely wrong but if thats how you are seeing it nothing is going to change your mind. Taking a picture of the goals versus Rangers doesn't really matter. Im basing my opinion on watching them with my eyes all season and seeing them clearly tucking in when one stretches the other side. Full backs then become overlapping wingers in attack. I see that and loads of other people see that. Sometimes it will work, sometimes it wont work. We just have to get better at it.

[superfurryhibby]

Thats just completely wrong but if thats how you are seeing it nothing is going to change your mind. Taking a picture of the goals versus Rangers doesn't really matter. Im basing my opinion on watching them with my eyes all season and seeing them clearly tucking in when one stretches the other side. Full backs then become overlapping wingers in attack. I see that and loads of other people see that. Sometimes it will work, sometimes it wont work. We just have to get better at it.

Not seeing what you describe at all.

That's my opinion, also based on watching them. What happened at Ibrox was entirely predictable.

Same approach v Celtic next week and we'll get the same outcome, smashed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thats just completely wrong but if thats how you are seeing it nothing is going to change your mind. Taking a picture of the goals versus Rangers doesn't really matter. Im basing my opinion on watching them with my eyes all season and seeing them clearly tucking in when one stretches the other side. Full backs then become overlapping wingers in attack. I see that and loads of other people see that. Sometimes it will work, sometimes it wont work. We just have to get better at it.

No, that’s just completely wrong. I’ve also watched with my own eyes and see them clearly not do that. I’ve even given examples of them not doing it, I do find it funny though that giving actual examples of them not doing it ‘doesn’t matter’ though :faf: how very convenient.

[Mainstandman]

Meltdown??? Not seeing it.

I've read folk saying the result and performance yesterday were crap and that we need to improve, but very little seethe, and no one is calling for anyone's head.

Are we really classing that as a meltdown from now on?



This whole forum has been pretty tame since NM came in. Hardly any dissenting voices and generally it's been a positive place since LJ got punted.

so are we having meltdown over whether or not we are having a meltdown? answers on a postcard or do we just blame Hanlon & Stevenson, lol

[Brightside]

Not seeing what you describe at all.

That's my opinion, also based on watching them. What happened at Ibrox was entirely predictable.

Same approach v Celtic next week and we'll get the same outcome, smashed.

I'm not doubting we will get beat by Celtic - I'd expect Celtic to be about 2/9 at the bookies. The formation will make very little odds as they are miles better than us all over the pitch. Playing a static back 5 or a diamond 4 will only hold off the inevitable so we may as well try and have a go.

[Donegal Hibby]

Thats just completely wrong but if thats how you are seeing it nothing is going to change your mind. Taking a picture of the goals versus Rangers doesn't really matter. Im basing my opinion on watching them with my eyes all season and seeing them clearly tucking in when one stretches the other side. Full backs then become overlapping wingers in attack. I see that and loads of other people see that. Sometimes it will work, sometimes it wont work. We just have to get better at it.

Fullbacks are indeed playing at times as overlapping wingers with the CB's covering for them this is leaving us really exposed at the back as we seen in killie game , hertz first chance Lowry had , Rocky had to cover for Obita against two hertz players ! . Didn't think we should have played that way at Ibrox against the quality they have and don't think we should play it at ER against Celtic who have even better players to exploit it .

LJ naively done the same thing at parkhead in giving it a go and trying to match them in the 6-1 game though for the return game we went 5 at the back and done ok apart from the referee tipping the game in Celtic's favour. I'm hoping Monty has learnt from the Sevco game that we need to be more cautious playing the old firm with there quality. Do the same again on Saturday and Celtic could very well give us a right doing ! .

[Waxy]

Every football club forum must go a bit downhill after a defeat.
It’s part of modern football.

[SHODAN]

Every football club forum must go a bit downhill after a defeat.
It’s part of football.

Fixed.

[Carheenlea]

After a win, I like to sit down at night and read through the whole match day thread from earlier in the day. The tone and reaction would sort of replicate the emotions of being at the game, and the extremities of opinion are reactions to proceedings as it happens.

A close game can see views range from being the best team outwith the Old Firm, the worst team in the league, a tactically astute manager, a clueless clown, Jeggo is excellent, Jeggo shouldn’t be near a Hibs shirt and so on.

You can make allowances for that given the timeline of the postings, but the lurching from one extreme view to the other has definitely been a trait post defeat on here on non match update threads. I did feel the reaction was generally pretty pragmatic following Saturdays defeat, but if we were to lose again next Saturday then I’m sure the general tone will retreat back into more negative content.

I don’t spend as much time browsing after a defeat as I would do with a win, particularly a big one. Not because of any negative nature as such but more I don’t have a lot of appetite to scrutinise defeats after getting home from game and Netflix or something sort of holds more appeal.

[Cat Stanton]

Or a draw, as it turns out...

[Malthibby]

Meltdown time...:panic:
And that's just me.

[Jack Hackett]

After a win, I like to sit down at night and read through the whole match day thread from earlier in the day. The tone and reaction would sort of replicate the emotions of being at the game, and the extremities of opinion are reactions to proceedings as it happens.

A close game can see views range from being the best team outwith the Old Firm, the worst team in the league, a tactically astute manager, a clueless clown, Jeggo is excellent, Jeggo shouldn’t be near a Hibs shirt and so on.

You can make allowances for that given the timeline of the postings, but the lurching from one extreme view to the other has definitely been a trait post defeat on here on non match update threads. I did feel the reaction was generally pretty pragmatic following Saturdays defeat, but if we were to lose again next Saturday then I’m sure the general tone will retreat back into more negative content.

I don’t spend as much time browsing after a defeat as I would do with a win, particularly a big one. Not because of any negative nature as such but more I don’t have a lot of appetite to scrutinise defeats after getting home from game and Netflix or something sort of holds more appeal.

Spot on. I'm here tonight as I missed the game on HTV, and was curious as to reactions. If I'd seen the game, I probably wouldn't have bothered. Who needs it when you're already pissed off?