Hibs last 20 league game record v Sevco is AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!

[CathroMustStay]

1) Hibs 5-5 Sevco 2017/18
2) Hibs 0-0 Sevco 2018/19
3) Sevco 1-1 Hibs 2018/19
4) Hibs 1-1 Sevco 2018/19
5) Sevco 1-0 Hibs 2018/19
6) Sevco 6-1 Hibs 2019/20
7) Hibs 0-3 Sevco 2019/20
8) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2019/20
9) Hibs 2-2 Sevco 2020/21
10) Sevco 1-0 Hibs 2020/21
11) Hibs 0-1 Sevco 2020/21
12) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2020/21
13) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2021/22
14) Hibs 0-1 Sevco 2021/22
15) Sevco 2-0 Hibs 2021/22
16) Hibs 2-2 Sevco 2022/23
17) Sevco 3-2 Hibs 2022/23
18) Hibs 1-4 Sevco 2022/23
19) Hibs 1-3 Sevco 2022/23
20) Sevco 4-0 Hibs 2023/24
21) Hibs 0-3 Sevco 2023/24

P21 W0 D6 L15 F19 A49 Pts 6/63 GD -30

Last time we beat the **** in a league game was February 3rd 2018. We beat them 2-1 at Ibrox, SJM & Maclaren scored.

[LaMotta]

Our record in the previous 20 was probably as good as its ever been too. What a change.

[Libby Hibby]

Can someone stick up the turnover between the us and them for the same period?

Relax, Rangers beat us regularly, so what?

[SlickShoes]

Our record in the previous 20 was probably as good as its ever been too. What a change.

Beat Rangers a few times on their way back to being financially miles ahead of us and it has warped peoples brains permanently on what to expect when playing them.

Is there any player on the park yesterday that you wouldn't swap man for man?

[LaMotta]

Beat Rangers a few times on their way back to being financially miles ahead of us and it has warped peoples brains permanently on what to expect when playing them.

Is there any player on the park yesterday that you wouldn't swap man for man?

Fair points, but even during our good run they were still financially miles ahead of us. ( albeit to a lesser extent).

[SlickShoes]

Fair points, but even during our good run they were still financially miles ahead of us. ( albeit to a lesser extent).

True but not the same extent, look at the players they had in their team higher level than the league they were in but the same could be argued for Hibs too.

We could look at almost any team outside of Celtic's form over the last couple of years against Rangers and it will look pretty much as bad, but with a couple of teams getting a random win here and there. No one is consistently getting the upper hand on them outside of Celtic.

[He's here!]

We've only beaten them 74 times in our entire history. They've won 216 times (84 draws) so our recent record probably isn't that unusual. We've basically tailed off against them as the quality of our team declined post 2018.

[LaMotta]

True but not the same extent, look at the players they had in their team higher level than the league they were in but the same could be argued for Hibs too.

We could look at almost any team outside of Celtic's form over the last couple of years against Rangers and it will look pretty much as bad, but with a couple of teams getting a random win here and there. No one is consistently getting the upper hand on them outside of Celtic.

Thats why I said "albeit to a lesser extent" :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

It’s pretty pish but it’s no something that should really define us. Failure to beat teams like Livingston regularly is worse than no being able to beat Rangers.

It’s frustrating when you watch a game like yesterdays though. Rangers weren’t good and didn’t need to work for their win. Even at 1-0 up their crowd were getting restless as there was pretty much nothing happening in the game. Was standing there thinking we could have a right go at them second half then we give away an absolutely pathetic goal away and it’s game over.

[wookie70]

Livingston and the St Johnstone have the same record in the last 20 games v The Thes - lost 16, drawn 3 and won 1. So they have essentially the same if points were attributed to the games. That suggests to me we are underperforming as we should have a better record than teams with far lower budgets than us.

Yesterday was Montgomery's first hit at the Uglies. He set up to play as their equals, we simply aren't so we need to be clever when we play them and make sure we are playing to their weaknesses and protecting ours. Nothing wrong with giving it a go as long as you learn from it or realise that massive improvements are needed to do the same next time.

Hearts are 2 wins and 3 draws so a bit better

[CapitalGreen]

We've only beaten them 74 times in our entire history. They've won 216 times (84 draws) so our recent record probably isn't that unusual. We've basically tailed off against them as the quality of our team declined post 2018.

Rangers have improved significantly more than we have tailed off since 2018. Below is the Rangers team we faced in our 5–5 draw in 2018. Of that starting XI, the majority of that team wouldn’t make it into our current team and only Tavernier and Candeias would be considered out of our league.

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Flash forward to their squad yesterday and every player bar a couple of youngsters on their bench are out of our league plus they had a number of players who didn’t make the match day squad who would all walk into our starting XI. Their international left back got injured in the first half and they replaced him with another international left back who they paid €4m for.

[CentreForward]

What’s the Hearts record against them over a similar period?

Can’t be much better and they seem to have a terrible record against both OF teams which hopefully continues today!

[Nicho87]

Whilst pretty grim

Hibs season one at a time is never just on rangers and Celtic results

It’s the other 30 games that really define our season

Against teams on similar and lesser budgets.

Far far far too often we have been absolute mince against the rest of the league

[MKHIBEE]

1) Hibs 5-5 Sevco 2017/18
2) Hibs 0-0 Sevco 2018/19
3) Sevco 1-1 Hibs 2018/19
4) Hibs 1-1 Sevco 2018/19
5) Sevco 1-0 Hibs 2018/19
6) Sevco 6-1 Hibs 2019/20
7) Hibs 0-3 Sevco 2019/20
8) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2019/20
9) Hibs 2-2 Sevco 2020/21
10) Sevco 1-0 Hibs 2020/21
11) Hibs 0-1 Sevco 2020/21
12) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2020/22
13) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2021/22
14) Hibs 0-1 Sevco 2021/22
15) Sevco 2-0 Hibs 2021/22
16) Hibs 2-2 Sevco 2022/23
17) Sevco 3-2 Hibs 2022/23
18) Hibs 1-4 Sevco 2022/23
19) Hibs 1-3 Sevco 2022/23
20) Sevco 4-0 Hibs 2023/24

P20 W0 D6 L14 F19 A46 Pts 6/60 GD -27

Last time we beat the huns in a league game was February 3rd 2018. We beat them 2-1 at Ibrox, SJM & Maclaren scored.
What exactly where you expecting? They are a richer club than us with better players. And we are Hibs.

[wookie70]

What’s the Hearts record against them over a similar period?

Can’t be much better and they seem to have a terrible record against both OF teams which hopefully continues today!

They have 2 wins and 3 draws against our 6 draws. Their budget is a good deal more than ours so that would be expected. You wouldn't expect us to have teh same record as Livi and St Johnston though

[Pagan Hibernia]

1) Hibs 5-5 Sevco 2017/18
2) Hibs 0-0 Sevco 2018/19
3) Sevco 1-1 Hibs 2018/19
4) Hibs 1-1 Sevco 2018/19
5) Sevco 1-0 Hibs 2018/19
6) Sevco 6-1 Hibs 2019/20
7) Hibs 0-3 Sevco 2019/20
8) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2019/20
9) Hibs 2-2 Sevco 2020/21
10) Sevco 1-0 Hibs 2020/21
11) Hibs 0-1 Sevco 2020/21
12) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2020/21
13) Sevco 2-1 Hibs 2021/22
14) Hibs 0-1 Sevco 2021/22
15) Sevco 2-0 Hibs 2021/22
16) Hibs 2-2 Sevco 2022/23
17) Sevco 3-2 Hibs 2022/23
18) Hibs 1-4 Sevco 2022/23
19) Hibs 1-3 Sevco 2022/23
20) Sevco 4-0 Hibs 2023/24

P20 W0 D6 L14 F19 A46 Pts 6/60 GD -27

Last time we beat the huns in a league game was February 3rd 2018. We beat them 2-1 at Ibrox, SJM & Maclaren scored.

A draw against a team with 10 times our budget could never be described as a disgrace so I don't know why you've included the first 4 games of that sequence.

Our record against them in the last 16 league games is abysmal.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They have a massive budget compared to ours, so how can we, or the rest of the league, compete with the Old Firm? Well, as the stats show, we can’t. That said, we should be able to manage a win at least once in twenty attempts. At least we must be due one soon!

[Pagan Hibernia]

They have a massive budget compared to ours, so how can we, or the rest of the league, compete with the Old Firm? Well, as the stats show, we can’t. That said, we should be able to manage a win at least once in twenty attempts. At least we must be due one soon!

Probably in the league cup final at hampden. We seem to have their number there

[Pagan Hibernia]

Our record in the previous 20 was probably as good as its ever been too. What a change.

On a level playing field, without the financial doping that killed their previous club (and may well yet bite the current incarnation on the arse) we can more than hold our own

[1875Sean]

Other than Celtic how does it compare to other teams in the league?

[DH1875]

Whats our record against celtic like over the same time frame. Their a bigger team with a bigger budget than them.

[LunasBoots]

Yup our record is pretty grim, in a lot of those games we haven't even turned up at all either, I get they are miles ahead financially but we should at least be making it difficult to beat us in a fair few of those games.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Whats our record against celtic like over the same time frame. Their a bigger team with a bigger budget than them.

Last 20 league games:

Won 3, drew 7, lost 10, scored 19, conceded 39, 16 points

[Paulie Walnuts]

Last 20 league games:

Won 3, drew 7, lost 10, scored 19, conceded 39, 16 points

That’s actually not bad at all. :agree:

Over the piece we’ve probably got a better record in our last 20 against each of the OF combined than most, we’ve just picked the vast majority of our points against the better of the two funnily enough.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Other than Celtic how does it compare to other teams in the league?

Here's a few other teams in their last 20 league games against rangers:

Hearts- won 1, drew 4, lost 15, scored 13, conceded 48, 7 points

Aberdeen- won 3, drew 6, lost 11, scored 19, conceded 39, 15 points

Motherwell- won 0, drew 6, lost 14, scored 20, conceded 55, 6 points

St johnstone- won 2, drew 3, lost 15, scored 13, conceded 44, 9 points.

Aberdeen have a better record against them than most. The rest of us, it's pretty crap. I can't be arsed doing every other team

[SHODAN]

iSS A FAKKIN DISC RACE SUMFINKS GOTA BE DUN

[erin go bragh]

Wonder if there is a post on Follow Follow about Rangers disgraceful record against Hibs in cup games
we have not lost a game against them at Hampden since 79.

[LaMotta]

Whats our record against celtic like over the same time frame. Their a bigger team with a bigger budget than them.


Last 20 league games:

Won 3, drew 7, lost 10, scored 19, conceded 39, 16 points

Hearts on course for 10 losses in a row V Celtic......

[Frazerbob]

Do cup games not count?

[matty_f]

Livingston and the St Johnstone have the same record in the last 20 games v The Thes - lost 16, drawn 3 and won 1. So they have essentially the same if points were attributed to the games. That suggests to me we are underperforming as we should have a better record than teams with far lower budgets than us.

Yesterday was Montgomery's first hit at the Uglies. He set up to play as their equals, we simply aren't so we need to be clever when we play them and make sure we are playing to their weaknesses and protecting ours. Nothing wrong with giving it a go as long as you learn from it or realise that massive improvements are needed to do the same next time.

Hearts are 2 wins and 3 draws so a bit better

I think that’s flawed logic with regards to our record v Rangers against trans with lower budget v Rangers.

If you look at it just as a budget v budget comparison, Rangers should win all the games against us and the likes of Livingston.


The difference in budget between us and Livingston doesn’t make the difference that get budget between us and Rangers does.

[lyonhibs]

Do cup games not count?

Not when you're incoherently PUTTING THINGS IN CAPS LOCKS on the Internet it doesn't, no.

[danhibees1875]

Can someone stick up the turnover between the us and them for the same period?

Relax, Rangers beat us regularly, so what?

:agree:

It's a shame, but it is what it is.

I could barely muster the enthusiasm to check livescore on Saturday, more interested in Ross County and the cup game vs Aberdeen.

It'll not be long until teams are fielding reserves against the OF to focus on the other games. We'd have been better off pulling off the M8 and having a team bonding session at the EICC and taking a 0-3 default loss.

[Broken Gnome]

Not when you're incoherently PUTTING THINGS IN CAPS LOCKS on the Internet it doesn't, no.

This isn't being spoken about enough. Top three threads on here are making the site look like a YouTube vlogger hellhole. Sort it out FFS.

[SHODAN]

This isn't being spoken about enough. Top three threads on here are making the site look like a YouTube vlogger hellhole. Sort it out FFS.

TWO wins in NINE games, AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE, and the worst of all, BUSES FULL!!!

[Hibernian Verse]

We need more keyboard shouting IMO.

It shows that you just will not stand for whatever you're shouting about.

[Spike Mandela]

What’s our record against them in cup finals the last 20 years?:greengrin

[Ringothedog]

What’s our record against them in cup finals the last 20 years?:greengrin

Or semi finals since 1972

[SickBoy32]

Is there any player on the park yesterday that you wouldn't swap man for man?

Dessers :greengrin

A really poor record no doubt about it, and chat of budgets is a nonsense as well IMO. If that's folks approach - then the baw is well and truly burst. Just do a league table of budgets and freeze it for eternity.

11 vs 11 (not incl the corrupt refs of course) and we should've had a better return (league wise anyway) than what the OP has detailed

[HFC93]

The thread title gives me Liz Truss vibes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r0M1YEf9s0g&pp=ygUSVGhhdCBpcyBhIGRpc2dyYWNl

[Northernhibee]

The last PIE that I had at EASTER ROAD was REASONABLY TASTY

[SHODAN]

The thread title gives me Liz Truss vibes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r0M1YEf9s0g&pp=ygUSVGhhdCBpcyBhIGRpc2dyYWNl

Cheese!

[Northernhibee]

Cheese!

https://media.tenor.com/EK3GaFKvdJoAAAAC/liz-truss.gif

[CathroMustStay]

21 consecutive league games without beating the h*ns is an utter disgrace.

Aberdeen, Killie, even the ****bos have a far less pathetic record in these fixtures than we do.

[Haymaker]

21 consecutive league games without beating the h*ns is an utter disgrace.

Aberdeen, Killie, even the ****bos have a far less pathetic record in these fixtures than we do.

Yes. It's ****. We know.

[1875godsgift]

21 consecutive league games without beating the h*ns is an utter disgrace.

Aberdeen, Killie, even the ****bos have a far less pathetic record in these fixtures than we do.

It's PANTS 👖

[lyonhibs]

21 consecutive league games without beating the h*ns is an utter disgrace.

Aberdeen, Killie, even the ****bos have a far less pathetic record in these fixtures than we do.

This hasn't been mentioned anywhere else and I was not aware of that diabolical record.

Boooooooo Hibs, Boooooooo.

[SHODAN]

We WOULDNT AV LOSS TO EM IF WED BRANG BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

We WOULDNT AV LOSS TO EM IF WED BRANG BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


True, and what’s with all these foreign players? We’d have won with a midfield of Sean Dyche, Ray Winston, Danny Dyer and Ian Paisley [emoji35][emoji35][emoji35] faaaaackin fuuuuumin


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[Smartie]

I find it quite funny when we play them that the hideously contrived stat keeps getting regurgitated about us not having beaten them since 2007 or whatever, apart from all the times we've actually beaten them.

Not defending our recent record against them btw, which hasn't been good enough. I find it a minor miracle that Monty got a 0-0 against Celtic as his approach to games looks like it would lose 100 times out of 100 against Rangers and Celtic to me.

[Pretty Boy]

I was having a wee look back to try and put a bit perspective on things and between season 93/94 and 97/98 which culminated in the end of Rangers 10 in a row dream and our relegation our record was as below:

LLLWLWLDLWLLLWLLLLLLL

I picked that just because it was a broadly comparable number of games and a Rangers team that was better than this one against a Hibs team that arguably peaked in the middle of that run then went on a dramatic slide.

Another comparison just for more contemporary reference our results between 06/07 and Rangers liquidation in 11/12, again a comparable number of games:

WLLDWLLDLLLDDLLLLWLLLL

In the simplest possible terms we average a win v Rangers about once every 6.1 games but averages are imperfect and the barren spells can often be a lot longer. The current run is particularly bad but not a massive outlier. If anything our record against them in the period under Stubbs and Lennon is the outlier and perhaps gave false expectations about how many we should be winning.

I'm not just excusing the current run and being totally defeatist, we should be doing better than 21 games or whatever without a win. Looking at results in the periods I quoted games were often very tight with only the odd goal separating the sides, particularly at Easter Road. The current trends towards regular heavy defeats and an inability to even be competitive are arguably more of a concern than just the bare results.

[sadtom]

Take the first 4 games out and it’s a return of 2 points out of a possible 51! (And one of those was against a 9 Orc h*ns).
Truly abysmal showing.
Much like gridiron where they have ‘specialist’ players for particular plays. Could we not bring in Neil Lennon as manager just for the games against derhun?
I absolutely loved playing either of the weegies when NL was in charge. We had a swagger and a snarl which gave me a genuine belief that we could beat them home or away.

[SHODAN]

I've checked the stats and our current 21 game run without a league win v Rangers is the worst against them (new or old club) in our entire history.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I've checked the stats and our current 21 game run without a league win v Rangers is the worst against them (new or old club) in our entire history.

Yes, it’s a really bad recent run, but our record against both the Old Firm will likely always make for tragic reading. They are huge clubs; no other club in Scotland is, and that’s the reality. How many have we won in the last twenty against Celtic? Our derby record hurts me far more, as we are evenly matched clubs and it should be a close contest.

[xbar81]

4-0 at Christmas 2014. That was a belter.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I was having a wee look back to try and put a bit perspective on things and between season 93/94 and 97/98 which culminated in the end of Rangers 10 in a row dream and our relegation our record was as below:

LLLWLWLDLWLLLWLLLLLLL

I picked that just because it was a broadly comparable number of games and a Rangers team that was better than this one against a Hibs team that arguably peaked in the middle of that run then went on a dramatic slide.

Another comparison just for more contemporary reference our results between 06/07 and Rangers liquidation in 11/12, again a comparable number of games:

WLLDWLLDLLLDDLLLLWLLLL

In the simplest possible terms we average a win v Rangers about once every 6.1 games but averages are imperfect and the barren spells can often be a lot longer. The current run is particularly bad but not a massive outlier. If anything our record against them in the period under Stubbs and Lennon is the outlier and perhaps gave false expectations about how many we should be winning.

I'm not just excusing the current run and being totally defeatist, we should be doing better than 21 games or whatever without a win. Looking at results in the periods I quoted games were often very tight with only the odd goal separating the sides, particularly at Easter Road. The current trends towards regular heavy defeats and an inability to even be competitive are arguably more of a concern than just the bare results.

We beat them quite a few times in the late 80s and early 90s and that was with a frankly terrible hibs team

[Smartie]

Yes, it’s a really bad recent run, but our record against both the Old Firm will likely always make for tragic reading. They are huge clubs; no other club in Scotland is, and that’s the reality. How many have we won in the last twenty against Celtic? Our derby record hurts me far more, as we are evenly matched clubs and it should be a close contest.

They are huge clubs, but plenty of clubs with far less by way of resource than us have given them a decent game and taken points off them this season.

We've just not been nearly good enough by what should be our own standards.

[SlickShoes]

They are huge clubs, but plenty of clubs with far less by way of resource than us have given them a decent game and taken points off them this season.

We've just not been nearly good enough by what should be our own standards.

They’ve lost to Celtic(twice), Aberdeen and Killie this season and haven’t lost to anyone other than Celtic since September. It’s not really plenty, it’s a low number and the fact they’ve played 21 and won 16 shows there is massive gap between them and everyone else.

They have lost 11 league games between August 2020 and January 2024. The majority of those defeats were Celtic.

[CathroMustStay]

They’ve lost to Celtic(twice), Aberdeen and Killie this season and haven’t lost to anyone other than Celtic since September. It’s not really plenty, it’s a low number and the fact they’ve played 21 and won 16 shows there is massive gap between them and everyone else.

They have lost 11 league games between August 2020 and January 2024. The majority of those defeats were Celtic.

Literally none of this justifies going 21 consecutive league games against them and winning zero.

2/51 points from last 17 league games alone.