Hopefully Monty learns 4-4-2 doesn't work in every game !

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair most of your posts are just pointless sarcy digs that offer nothing. A bit like this one.

:agree:

[supermcginn]

To be fair most of your posts are just pointless sarcy digs that offer nothing. A bit like this one.

Correct,
Exactly the same as
brightside, numerous posts about how their opinion is superior and everyone else is thick. Very boring

[Brightside]

Correct,
Exactly the same as
brightside, numerous posts about how their opinion is superior and everyone else is thick. Very boring

Sorry - I'm not aware of your work. You're only assuming my opinion is superior. Everyone is allowed an opinion. :greengrin

[flash]

Correct,
Exactly the same as
brightside, numerous posts about how their opinion is superior and everyone else is thick. Very boring

Stop picking on me you lot.

[JimBHibees]

To be fair most of your posts are just pointless sarcy digs that offer nothing. A bit like this one.

Quite like his sarcy digs. A lot of time pretty much nails it.

[Brightside]

Quite like his sarcy digs. A lot of time pretty much nails it.

Anything is better than the negative Nancys. Stick with it guys it’s going to fun.

[A Hi-Bee]

As long as we battle and put up a fight, that will do me. if we get a result then great if not it does not define our season.
:thumbsup:

[1875Sean]

Decent result playing 442, unbelievable!

[SteveHFC]

That’s why you play 4-4-2.

[Hibs90]

Looks like 4-4-2 DOES work.

Suspect those doubting it in this thread won't be here tonight.

[Unseen work]

Instead of changing his beliefs he coached the players, that’s the sign of a good manager.

So much better defensively and looked very organised.

Now just to get us going again in the final third.

[Brightside]

Mon the 442

[SHODAN]

While Aberdeen and Hearts partied...

...Monty studied the 4-4-2.

[Sioux]

We made that too easy for them today imo . We could have went 4-5-1 or played 5 at the back too but to go with the same formation and treating it like any other game was criminal tbh . It could have ended up 5 or 6 . Hopefully our manager learns from today and quickly because that was really naive management today from him .

Maybe you should take some time off.

[Since452]

Delighted with the workrate today. Happy to eat humble pie. Glad he changed the passing it out from the back when we almost got caught a few times. Encouraging.

[Johnny_Leith]

Glad to see Montgomery has learnt, we were much more compact and organised and less fluid in our formation which is exactly what we need Vs the old firm, it lays a foundation to go and try and win the game. We rode our luck a little in the end but generally frustrated Celtic and although we were poor in the final third I think it was, obviously, much improved from last week.

[Kato]

Delighted with the workrate today. Happy to eat humble pie.That's the spirit. Numbers aren't the be all and end all. Grit and personality can top everything.

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[Hibbyradge]

Maybe you should take some time off.

You know that was after last week's game?

[cameronw-hfc]

442 doesn't work against the old firm😉

Seriously though, sounds like Monty got the team right and a lot of people, myself included, probably need to eat some humble pie. Feared the worst when I seen the team but fair play.

There's something there with Jair. I don't know what, I just have a nagging feeling there's a decent player in there somewhere

[blackpoolhibs]

I dont think we played 4-4-2 a lot today, Vente and Boyle took it in turns to drop deeper at times to make us more compact.

[Heisenberg]

Very well drilled and organised in our formation. Had a golden chance to take the lead. Happy enough with that.

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe you should take some time off.

Good performance , much better than the last game . Delighted with result and happy your feeling all superior about it too :aok:

[Sioux]

You know that was after last week's game?

Yes.

The point still stands.

[Broken Gnome]

I dont think we played 4-4-2 a lot today, Vente and Boyle took it in turns to drop deeper at times to make us more compact.

I know, it's almost like these things are flexible and it's not just a line of four players in the middle of the pitch...

[B.H.F.C]

I dont think we played 4-4-2 a lot today, Vente and Boyle took it in turns to drop deeper at times to make us more compact.

The shape was 442. Le Fondre spent most of the time dropping deeper last week, he was just less effective.

[1875Sean]

I dont think we played 4-4-2 a lot today, Vente and Boyle took it in turns to drop deeper at times to make us more compact.

Was still 442

[JammyDoidger]

Polar opposite from last week, offered nowt going forward but it was a good team performance. I didn't think we would be able to put in a disciplined display like that in that formation, but lessons learned from last week, needs to find a balance now between being solid and carrying a threat.

[SHODAN]

Polar opposite from last week, offered nowt going forward but it was a good team performance. I didn't think we would be able to put in a disciplined display like that in that formation, but lessons learned from last week, needs to find a balance now between being solid and carrying a threat.

Think solid defence and the occasional counterattack is the most we can expect against the OF tbh.

[LaMotta]

Was still 442

It becomes a 4-5-1 though when a front man drops in. Or a 4-2-3-1.

[LaMotta]

Which is what we do every week. One of the forwards always drops deeper.

:agree:

[JammyDoidger]

Think solid defence and the occasional counterattack is the most we can expect against the OF tbh.

Aye, all in all I'd take that over being too open and making an arse of ourselves.

[Keepthefaith]

Polar opposite from last week, offered nowt going forward but it was a good team performance. I didn't think we would be able to put in a disciplined display like that in that formation, but lessons learned from last week, needs to find a balance now between being solid and carrying a threat.

This just reeks of wanting it all! What's mo ty supposed to do differently to achieve this? He put out an attack minded team that were set up to be resolute. We tried to carry a threat but Celtic are a strong team who played well enough to deny us more chances. Some wrong decisions and good interventions denied us more opportunities.

If we'd been gubbed today this place would have been a riot with I told you so. Now we have a point from a good display and the comment is to carry a more attacking threat? I despair. Can we not just give the manager some praise?

[Skol]

How wrong we all were. The formation worked today and so did the personnel. Tavares was even fitted in. Chapeau. :cb

[Paulie Walnuts]

Good result today but I’m still fairly certain 4-4-2 with two wingers won’t work over the course of a season. The proof will be in the pudding, we’ve got a good run of games coming up so we need to start picking up some results. :agree:

[flash]

You know that was after last week's game?

Point definitely still stands.

[Keepthefaith]

Good result today but I’m still fairly certain 4-4-2 with two wingers won’t work over the course of a season. The proof will be in the pudding, we’ve got a good run of games coming up so we need to start picking up some results. :agree:

What sterner test is the system going to have to win you over? This was the acid test IMO don't why our fans can't accept that it's more about our players confidence increasing playing a system where they understand their roles and it's about the application to that which is the most important aspect?

As to we need to start picking up some results...we've lost one in the last 7 or 8 I think if you include the cup game. Bit unfair to say start! One defeat out of 3 to hearts away, and the old firm isn't too shabby!

[Brightside]

I know, it's almost like these things are flexible and it's not just a line of four players in the middle of the pitch...

😂😂🧙

[JohnM1875]

I know, it's almost like these things are flexible and it's not just a line of four players in the middle of the pitch...

Nah mate. We were a solid rigid 442 against Sevco last week as well. No deviations or anything in or out of possession. Crazy eh?

[Eyrie]

It becomes a 4-5-1 though when a front man drops in. Or a 4-2-3-1.

At which point it's no longer a 442 with the risk of being outnumbered in midfield :greengrin

I expressed concern before the game about how vulnerable we could be playing 442/424 and that it wouldn't help Montgomery if we were taken to pieces at home after he'd made clear he had no intention of changing, so I was relieved that his adjustments today worked.

442/424 will be fine on Tuesday.

[Donegal Hibby]

Point definitely still stands.

What points that like ?

[silverhibee]

Stop drinking mate. He will soon change formation and tactics when he realises we are not winning games. Every team we play has an overload in midfield.

Done okay today, did say he will stick with the system he has faith in, hopefully it gets better the more time he has with the players at training working hard on his system.

Enjoy a few beers tonight Brooster. :aok:

Me. :smokin:smokin

[Brightside]

It becomes a 4-5-1 though when a front man drops in. Or a 4-2-3-1.

Like every game we’ve played. If people want to bash performance etc it’s got nothing to do with the start formation.

[Brightside]

Good result today but I’m still fairly certain 4-4-2 with two wingers won’t work over the course of a season. The proof will be in the pudding, we’ve got a good run of games coming up so we need to start picking up some results. :agree:

But we agree wingers also tuck in?

[JohnM1875]

Like every game we’ve played. If people want to bash performance etc it’s got nothing to do with the start formation.

Nope. We only play a static 442 when we don't win/lose but when we do well it changes throughout the game.

[JammyDoidger]

This just reeks of wanting it all! What's mo ty supposed to do differently to achieve this? He put out an attack minded team that were set up to be resolute. We tried to carry a threat but Celtic are a strong team who played well enough to deny us more chances. Some wrong decisions and good interventions denied us more opportunities.

If we'd been gubbed today this place would have been a riot with I told you so. Now we have a point from a good display and the comment is to carry a more attacking threat? I despair. Can we not just give the manager some praise?

That actually was me praising him, I appreciate he's changed it up a bit, I could see a noticeable difference, the forward players were very poor today though so it's maybe not so much on the manager more of the players to do a bit more to create, but I'd take that every day of the week over a humping.

[Brightside]

That actually was me praising him, I appreciate he's changed it up a bit, I could see a noticeable difference, the forward players were very poor today though so it's maybe not so much on the manager more of the players to do a bit more to create, but I'd take that every day of the week over a humping.

Nobody was poor.

[JammyDoidger]

Nobody was poor.

We had one shot on target? Surely forward players are there to create and get shots on target nah?

[green day]

That actually was me praising him, I appreciate he's changed it up a bit, I could see a noticeable difference, the forward players were very poor today though so it's maybe not so much on the manager more of the players to do a bit more to create, but I'd take that every day of the week over a humping.

The forward players worked their socks off today, they will be exhausted tonight.

Night and day from Rangers game.

A very good point v a team who will skelp a lot of teams after playing euro game in midweek.

Can't we just be happy?

[B.H.F.C]

The forward players worked their socks off today, they will be exhausted tonight.

Night and day from Rangers game.

A very good point v a team who will skelp a lot of teams after playing euro game in midweek.

Can't we just be happy?

Forward players were burst towards the end. They did waste opportunities earlier in the game though, especially on the break first half.

Great point and excellent team performance though.

[A Hi-Bee]

I smell a wee bit of undercover work on this thread and on this forum in general, so never take it very serious.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Brightside]

We had one shot on target? Surely forward players are there to create and get shots on target nah?

We played the best team on Scotland and got a well worked draw. You’re off the planet to try and find negatives. Just be happy for once

[A Hi-Bee]

We played the best team on Scotland and got a well worked draw. You’re off the planet to try and find negatives. Just be happy for once

Dont feed the troll.
:troll:

[Keepthefaith]

That actually was me praising him, I appreciate he's changed it up a bit, I could see a noticeable difference, the forward players were very poor today though so it's maybe not so much on the manager more of the players to do a bit more to create, but I'd take that every day of the week over a humping.

Come on...the forward players worked so hard today. We needed them to, to defend as a team from the front. We were never going to get many chances and should be praising them for the part they played in becoming just the second team in the league to take a point off Celtic.

[CapitalGreen]

Come on...the forward players worked so hard today. We needed them to, to defend as a team from the front. We were never going to get many chances and should be praising them for the part they played in becoming just the second team in the league to take a point off Celtic.

Some people are so well entrenched in their original position that we were gonna get humped today should Monty go 4-4-2 that they are trying to find negatives in order to save face.

[HoboHarry]

Some people are so well entrenched in their original position that we were gonna get humped today should Monty go 4-4-2 that they are trying to find negatives in order to save face.

100% correct.

[Donegal Hibby]

The forward players worked their socks off today, they will be exhausted tonight.

Night and day from Rangers game.

A very good point v a team who will skelp a lot of teams after playing euro game in midweek.

Can't we just be happy?

The players certainly worked there socks off today with a lot of good performances throughout the team , Miller MOTM .

Performance compared to the Sevco game was miles better , we looked a lot more organised and not as gung ho as we did in the other game . Credit to Monty for that 👏.

Thought if we played like we did against Sevco we were going to get a doing against a lot better team .I didn't
see that performance coming from us today and I'm delighted with the result and happy to be wrong 👍.

Thought after a shaky start both Rocky and Marshall were good today . Marshall had a couple of good blocks and Rocky dealt with imo the best forward in the league very well . Both players who have had criticism in the past though I won't be telling anyone to take some time out for it 😂

[WeeRussell]

Some people are so well entrenched in their original position that we were gonna get humped today should Monty go 4-4-2 that they are trying to find negatives in order to save face.

Yep, that and being in the habit of only posting negatives anyway. The vast majority expressed concerns about the lineup/formation so it’s not a big deal.. plenty have come straight on with the ‘humble pie’ type posts, and others will just stay quiet which is fair enough.

Then the odd one or two will of course double down, dig deeper and deeper, and ultimately make themselves look a bit silly.

[ancient hibee]

All the usual trolls who spent the last week telling us that we would be wide open against Celtic Are now complaining because every Hibs player put in a huge defensive shift to make sure we weren’t wide open. They’re pathetic.

[Brightside]

The board has about 30% decent contributors. Keep fighting the good fight people.

[matty_f]

The formation wasn’t the issue last week, it was that the vast majority of the team didn’t turn up. Today the formation wasn’t the reason we got the point, it’s that the vast majority of the team played well.

Credit to the manager for digging that performance out of them and here’s hoping he can do the same on Tuesday

[JohnM1875]

The formation wasn’t the issue last week, it was that the vast majority of the team didn’t turn up. Today the formation wasn’t the reason we got the point, it’s that the vast majority of the team played well.

Credit to the manager for digging that performance out of them and here’s hoping he can do the same on Tuesday

Exactly. Been a huge critic of folk slating 442 this past week. But I'm not giving it the big one praising it after the draw today. Cause we could drop points on Tuesday playing 442 against Ross County.

It's going to take time for it to work. A pumping off Sevco then a draw against the soap dodgers won't change that.

[Iain G]

The formation wasn’t the issue last week, it was that the vast majority of the team didn’t turn up. Today the formation wasn’t the reason we got the point, it’s that the vast majority of the team played well.

Credit to the manager for digging that performance out of them and here’s hoping he can do the same on Tuesday

No no no no! This 424 leaves us far too open and we will get taken apart by the better teams, the manager needa to learn stuff don't you know! We should be playing 640 again this old firm as we bend over to them and kiss their ass and hope to not get a spanking and be thankful. Nobody plays 442 anymore! Did you miss the memo?

[B.H.F.C]

The formation wasn’t the issue last week, it was that the vast majority of the team didn’t turn up. Today the formation wasn’t the reason we got the point, it’s that the vast majority of the team played well.

Credit to the manager for digging that performance out of them and here’s hoping he can do the same on Tuesday

Been saying this for most of the week.

Thought some of the comments on the formation were ridiculous. It’s just become a thing for some but it’s way OTT when we’ve lost 1 in 7 playing with it. Couple of draws that were a bit of a disappointment but it’s clear he’s trying to develop something and he showed a bit of bottle today. Was also clear that for all the comments about not learning from last week and stuff like that, he had, because we were so much better organised.

[Pete70]

Far too much emphasis placed on formation. You either play well and get a result or you don’t. Simple.

[TrinityHFC]

Far too much emphasis placed on formation. You either play well and get a result or you don’t. Simple.

Of course it matters otherwise we could just ditch the manager and coaches and stick 11 players on the pitch and ask them to play well.

I think on a fans forum discussing formations and how we play is normal and right. A bit over sensitivity I think from some who think talking about these things isn’t supporting the manager. I’m sure many people challenged Lee Johnson’s tactics despite him no doubt knowing significantly more about being a football manager than any of us. Should everyone have just kept quiet?

[HendoDelivered]

Monty knows what he’s doing 👍🏼

[Mcbizz1998]

Worked fine today lads and some bottle from our manager to stick with it after last week.

Delighted to see us setting up to win games.

[TrinityHFC]

Worked fine today lads and some bottle from our manager to stick with it after last week.

Delighted to see us setting up to win games.

Remains to be seen that though. Would like to see us make much more of Boyle, Youan and Vente. This formation I don’t think does our attacking wide players many favours just now. Hopefully that develops but I’d like to see us getting more solid while still being able to attack like we seen in the games v Luzern for example. Levitt also played a key role in the home game but difficult to see how we get them all working in the 442.

[Broken Gnome]

Of course it matters otherwise we could just ditch the manager and coaches and stick 11 players on the pitch and ask them to play well.

I think on a fans forum discussing formations and how we play is normal and right. A bit over sensitivity I think from some who think talking about these things isn’t supporting the manager. I’m sure many people challenged Lee Johnson’s tactics despite him no doubt knowing significantly more about being a football manager than any of us. Should everyone have just kept quiet?

There was quite an apparent OTT reaction - from some - to any idea that a side that would be lined up 442 on your Sportscene teamsheet was destined to lose the match.

How we play and all the coaching intricacies which fo.way above my head are far more important than how we line up at the start of a game.

[davym7062]

we played well today end of ***in story

[Donegal Hibby]

Worked fine today lads and some bottle from our manager to stick with it after last week.

Delighted to see us setting up to win games.

We looked a lot more organised defensively than last week and I thought we didn't try to play nearly as much out from the back as last week. Real good team performance . Monty did say we would learn from last week too so massive credit goes to him for that as it looked like we done a lot of work on the training field . Only the 2nd team to take points of them so far in the league 👍

[MWHIBBIES]

The board has about 30% decent contributors. Keep fighting the good fight people.

I'll do my best bud

[Keepthefaith]

Remains to be seen that though. Would like to see us make much more of Boyle, Youan and Vente. This formation I don’t think does our attacking wide players many favours just now. Hopefully that develops but I’d like to see us getting more solid while still being able to attack like we seen in the games v Luzern for example. Levitt also played a key role in the home game but difficult to see how we get them all working in the 442.

so you mean like we did against st Mirren when we became the first team to beat them and second half played some really lovely attacking football with youan, Boyle and Vente on the pitch...give monty a chance, we're not going to win every game and def not by scoring loads of goals each time. the rangers game has been a bit of a blip and looks like there's been some hard work in rectifying the errors.

[WhileTheChief..]

Watching Sportsmen just now and Michael Stewart's bit on our 4-4-2 was really good.

Highlighted how effective it was today in comparison to last week. Worth watching.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yes.

The point still stands.

Maybe you'll share your point some time instead of being nasty about it :rolleyes:

[King Cosell]

Watching Sportsmen just now and Michael Stewart's bit on our 4-4-2 was really good.

Highlighted how effective it was today in comparison to last week. Worth watching.

Sportsmen? I've never seen that. Is it anything like Sportscene?

[JohnM1875]

Sportsmen? I've never seen that. Is it anything like Sportscene?

Sportsmen is the best soccer ball highlights show out there. Surprised you've never seen it.

[Iain G]

Sportsmen is the best soccer ball highlights show out there. Surprised you've never seen it.

Is this the replacement show for "Lee Johnson's Soccerscene"?

[Paulie Walnuts]

What sterner test is the system going to have to win you over? This was the acid test IMO don't why our fans can't accept that it's more about our players confidence increasing playing a system where they understand their roles and it's about the application to that which is the most important aspect?

As to we need to start picking up some results...we've lost one in the last 7 or 8 I think if you include the cup game. Bit unfair to say start! One defeat out of 3 to hearts away, and the old firm isn't too shabby!

We drew one game at home. My view on 4-4-2 is based on years of watching football. It’s going to take more than one home draw to win me over into thinking 4-4-2 is going to work.

We’ve lost one but we’ve also only won 2 from 7 if you include the cup game. I don’t think it’s hugely unfair to say we need to start picking up results now that the fixtures are a bit more kind to us. If we keep picking up points at the rate we have been then we’ll get nowhere, so I think start is a perfectly fair way to describe it?

[Libby Hibby]

I like what Monty is doing with the formation. I’m not sure why it’s being so over analysed. Football is a simple game and in my experience, a lot of results come from how the players perform actually on the pitch and if they believe in the system the manager is trying to adopt. Yesterday we seen the players perform in the system, last week the player didn’t.

I personally like the attacking nature we have adopted. We’ll win some, lose some and sometimes draw some. It’s football and we’re Hibs, it’s what happens.

[bingo70]

We drew one game at home. My view on 4-4-2 is based on years of watching football. It’s going to take more than one home draw to win me over into thinking 4-4-2 is going to work.

We’ve lost one but we’ve also only won 2 from 7 if you include the cup game. I don’t think it’s hugely unfair to say we need to start picking up results now that the fixtures are a bit more kind to us. If we keep picking up points at the rate we have been then we’ll get nowhere, so I think start is a perfectly fair way to describe it?

Before yesterday since Montgomery came in we were averaging 1.5 points per game, I’m including the cup game in that figure as it’s already a small sample size and if we’re discussing the merits of his formation it’s relevant we won that game. 1.5 points per game over the course of a season would likely have us 3rd or 4th I think.

Since he came in we’ve also had rangers away, hearts away, Killie away and St Mirren at home, all of which are difficult fixtures.

Of course we need to win our home games against the bottom 6 sides if we want to do well, I don’t think that’s a particularly great revelation however that would be the case regardless of what’s happened since he came in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Before yesterday since Montgomery came in we were averaging 1.5 points per game, I’m including the cup game in that figure as it’s already a small sample size and if we’re discussing the merits of his formation it’s relevant we won that game. 1.5 points per game over the course of a season would likely have us 3rd or 4th I think.

Since he came in we’ve also had rangers away, hearts away, Killie away and St Mirren at home, all of which are difficult fixtures.

Of course we need to win our home games against the bottom 6 sides if we want to do well, I don’t think that’s a particularly great revelation however that would be the case regardless of what’s happened since he came in.

And after yesterday’s game it likely wouldn’t have been enough to get 3rd or 4th, I’m not sure why you’ve randomly removed a game to make it look higher? :confused:

The cup result was great but our league position is very poor. We really need to start picking up results in the league as there’s a rather large gap opening up between us and 3rd. I’m not sure how that can even be arguable.

[green day]

We really need to start picking up results in the league as there’s a rather large gap opening up between us and 3rd. I’m not sure how that can even be arguable.

Obviously its not arguable, as its a fact.

As is the fact that we are one point off 4th............

[Paulie Walnuts]

Obviously its not arguable, as its a fact.

As is the fact that we are one point off 4th............

We are. 3rd is a world apart from 4th though in terms of what you get so that has to be what we’re aiming for.

[Brightside]

We are. 3rd is a world apart from 4th though in terms of what you get so that has to be what we’re aiming for.

Funny how nobody thought that when Jack got us there. Forget about formations and just concentrate on performance.

[Brightside]

Remains to be seen that though. Would like to see us make much more of Boyle, Youan and Vente. This formation I don’t think does our attacking wide players many favours just now. Hopefully that develops but I’d like to see us getting more solid while still being able to attack like we seen in the games v Luzern for example. Levitt also played a key role in the home game but difficult to see how we get them all working in the 442.

I’d argue your Lee Johnson point all day long. He’s a slaver. I reckon at least 15 people on here would be better football managers.

[JimBHibees]

Good result today but I’m still fairly certain 4-4-2 with two wingers won’t work over the course of a season. The proof will be in the pudding, we’ve got a good run of games coming up so we need to start picking up some results. :agree:

We got a result

[Paulie Walnuts]

Funny how nobody thought that when Jack got us there. Forget about formations and just concentrate on performance.

When Jack got us there it wasn’t a world apart, it was one qualifying round and still highly unlikely to reach the groups so of course nobody thought that :confused:

[Paulie Walnuts]

We got a result

Ok, we need to start picking up wins. I’m sure you didn’t need me to spell that out to you, but here we are.

[Smartie]

Ok, we need to start picking up wins. I’m sure you didn’t need me to spell that out to you, but here we are.

That’s certainly true but tbh I feared the worst a bit going into October. We’ve avoided defeat against Hearts and Celtic and if we can pick up 3 points on the 31st then we’ve weathered a tricky month reasonably well and can look forward with confidence imo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That’s certainly true but tbh I feared the worst a bit going into October. We’ve avoided defeat against Hearts and Celtic and if we can pick up 3 points on the 31st then we’ve weathered a tricky month reasonably well and can look forward with confidence imo.

Agree, a win on Tuesday would round off a difficult month well :agree:

[JimBHibees]

Ok, we need to start picking up wins. I’m sure you didn’t need me to spell that out to you, but here we are.

Sounds like you are gutted we got a result yesterday after predicting a slaughtering.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sounds like you are gutted we got a result yesterday after predicting a slaughtering.

Yes, Jim, that’s what it is. Saying we need to start picking up wins whilst we’re 8th in the league going into a decent set of fixtures must mean I’m gutted that we drew yesterday. :aok:

[JimBHibees]

Yes, Jim, that’s what it is. Saying we need to start picking up wins going into a decent set of fixtures must mean I’m gutted that we drew yesterday. Good insight from you. :aok:

Not exactly Nostradamus to say we need to win some games. Why dont you enjoy the draw yesterday and see it for what it is an excellent point against a team in very good form with excellent players. Your prediction we would get hammered with 442 was proven to be completely wrong.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not exactly Nostradamus to say we need to win some games. Why dont you enjoy the draw yesterday and see it for what it is an excellent point against a team in very good form with excellent players. Your prediction we would get hammered with 442 was proven to be completely wrong.

So you agree we need to win some games yet here you are arguing the toss anyway. 👍🏼

I’ve said it was a good result yesterday, I also agreed with Smartie that a win on Tuesday would round off a difficult month well. It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you’ve chose to ignore those posts though as they wouldn’t have allowed you to get your usual pathetic little dig in.

[Brightside]

When Jack got us there it wasn’t a world apart, it was one qualifying round and still highly unlikely to reach the groups so of course nobody thought that :confused:

Constant misery must be hard work.

[Winston Ingram]

The way we played the 442 today was exactly how Burnley used it under Sean Dyche for so many years.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’d argue your Lee Johnson point all day long. He’s a slaver. I reckon at least 15 people on here would be better football managers.

Do you not think most managers slaver at times ? . Probably the 15 myself included have raised concerns about the formation and how we played in the last game and are delighted to be proved wrong even though we have taken a different approach in the Celtic game .

Nobody is claiming to be a football manager. It's a football forum were fans share there thoughts about the club , what's wrong with that ? .I haven't seen one person be vindictive towards the current manager . Certainly not anywhere on the scale that our previous manager got in name calling and really horrible rumours that have never been proven btw ! .
After a cracking result instead of being happy and discussing the game there's a few that generally want to have a go at other fans on here , I myself was told to come off the forum ( OUT OF ORDER ) by a poster that says he has a point though has disappeared like Harry Houdini when asked what it was ! ! ! . Sad stuff really :rolleyes:

[JimBHibees]

So you agree we need to win some games yet here you are arguing the toss anyway. 👍🏼

I’ve said it was a good result yesterday, I also agreed with Smartie that a win on Tuesday would round off a difficult month well. It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you’ve chose to ignore those posts though as they wouldn’t have allowed you to get your usual pathetic little dig in.

Dear oh dear go back to bed. :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Sounds like you are gutted we got a result yesterday after predicting a slaughtering.

Just stop it. You're another always looking for an argument and making sly digs at others.

We're still allowed to discuss things on here and I'll bet everyone at the club feels that we need to start winning games and picking up more points now that these harder games are out of the way.

You and a few others would be happy if we were permanently 10th in the league as long as everyone posted positive vibes on here no doubt.

It's a total pain in the ass reading posts like yours. They offer nothing to the debate / conversation and only cause arguments.

How about posting your own thoughts on the game instead of just taking digs at others?

[flash]

Just stop it. You're another always looking for an argument and making sly digs at others.

We're still allowed to discuss things on here and I'll bet everyone at the club feels that we need to start winning games and picking up more points now that these harder games are out of the way.

You and a few others would be happy if we were permanently 10th in the league as long as everyone posted positive vibes on here no doubt.

It's a total pain in the ass reading posts like yours. They offer nothing to the debate / conversation and only cause arguments.

How about posting your own thoughts on the game instead of just taking digs at others?

Pain in the arse not ass.

This is Scotland not the US.

[J-C]

442 will work perfectly well as long as everyone is on the same page and play the way they did yesterday, Athletico Madrid have played this way for years and did them no harm, playing Boyle through the middle and Jair on the right made a huge difference, our defensive shape was spot on and we broke with pace and purpose, it's a new system for the players and it'll take time and patience.

[Lago]

Constant misery must be hard work.
Not for some apparently :confused:

[WhileTheChief..]

Pain in the arse not ass.

This is Scotland not the US.

Thought the swear filter might kick in and was trying to be polite :greengrin

[Allant1981]

Game plan worked really well yesterday, didn't let celtic dominate, especially in the middle of the park, mcgregor was never really involved, glad he changed the short passing out from the back at goal kicks,it wasn't working and we got lucky with it, I know rocky gets slated on here but apart from a couple of dodgy passes I thought he had a cracking game

[Donegal Hibby]

Game plan worked really well yesterday, didn't let celtic dominate, especially in the middle of the park, mcgregor was never really involved, glad he changed the short passing out from the back at goal kicks,it wasn't working and we got lucky with it, I know rocky gets slated on here but apart from a couple of dodgy passes I thought he had a cracking game

Game plan was spot on ! Monty certainly changed a few things from the previous game , really organised at the back ,as you say short passing changed out from the back . All may it continue. I said in another post I thought Rocky was very good and kept the best striker in the league quiet for most of the game. Deserves credit for his performance yesterday .

[sauzeelegod]

442 will work perfectly well as long as everyone is on the same page and play the way they did yesterday, Athletico Madrid have played this way for years and did them no harm, playing Boyle through the middle and Jair on the right made a huge difference, our defensive shape was spot on and we broke with pace and purpose, it's a new system for the players and it'll take time and patience.

Atletico have played a back 3/5 for the last couple of years.
They did use 442 up until then but they were a counter attacking team who hardly had any possession.
Not the way I want to see Hibs play.

[hibee-boys]

Looked a more compact 442 formation vs the approach at Ibrox, more direct at times also. I’d have taken 2 draws and a loss over those 3 games. However, we really need to kick on from here and turn draws into wins, starting with Tuesday night.

[JimBHibees]

Just stop it. You're another always looking for an argument and making sly digs at others.

We're still allowed to discuss things on here and I'll bet everyone at the club feels that we need to start winning games and picking up more points now that these harder games are out of the way.

You and a few others would be happy if we were permanently 10th in the league as long as everyone posted positive vibes on here no doubt.

It's a total pain in the ass reading posts like yours. They offer nothing to the debate / conversation and only cause arguments.

How about posting your own thoughts on the game instead of just taking digs at others?

Dear oh dear. Get over yourself ffs. I will criticise when it is merited however we have had a litany of negativity including genuine concern about performance leading up to this game yet still some struggle to give any credit when we do well. Your high opinion of yourself and your opinion with patronising nonsense like above doesn't exactly raise the level of debate either.

[MWHIBBIES]

Funny how nobody thought that when Jack got us there. Forget about formations and just concentrate on performance.

The reward for 3rd has changed significantly since then.

[flash]

Thought the swear filter might kick in and was trying to be polite :greengrin

Aye I think it would have right enough

[Danderhall Hibs]

The reward for 3rd has changed significantly since then.

When we “won” 3rd place we thought we might be in the group stages iirc. UEFA changed the qualification though and cup winner then got the chance at a final qualifier instead.

[CapitalGreen]

When we “won” 3rd place we thought we might be in the group stages iirc. UEFA changed the qualification though and cup winner then got the chance at a final qualifier instead.

The cup winner has had priority over the league position since the abolition of the Cup Winners Cup.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The cup winner has had priority over the league position since the abolition of the Cup Winners Cup.

Do they still have that?

[CapitalGreen]

Do they still have that?

Priority given to the cup winner? Yes

If the cup is won by a team who qualify for the Champions League, the European qualification place is given to the team finishing 3rd in the league.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Priority given to the cup winner? Yes

If the cup is won by a team who qualify for the Champions League, the European qualification place is given to the team finishing 3rd in the league.

We make far too much about finishing 3rd then. Should go all out for the cup.

[nonshinyfinish]

When we “won” 3rd place we thought we might be in the group stages iirc. UEFA changed the qualification though and cup winner then got the chance at a final qualifier instead.The unexpected change that UEFA made that year was a tweak to how the places were distributed amongst different leagues – it was expected that the Europa League place (cup winner or third place if the cup is won by first or second) would be the EL playoff round, meaning that even if you lose you end up in the Conference League groups.

However, UEFA made some late change that meant it was the third qualification round instead, where St Johnstone were knocked out by Galatasaray.

As mentioned above, the priority of cup winner over third place is not new.

[bingo70]

We make far too much about finishing 3rd then. Should go all out for the cup.

I think we do?

[Danderhall Hibs]

I think we do?

Just not very good at it? 😂

[bingo70]

Just not very good at it? 😂

Not necessarily, we just need to stop the other clubs having the same idea.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We make far too much about finishing 3rd then. Should go all out for the cup.

Suppose the thing is that finishing 3rd with an OF cup winner is probably more likely than winning the cup.

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe you should take some time off.

I see you already have !!!

[blackpoolhibs]

We are 2-0 up and he replaced 2 of our better players last night in Rocky and Jeggo with 2 players with much less quality, this is exactly the time where the shape of the team needs to change to see out a game.

But no, Montgomery is a 4-4-2 man and will live or die by it.:rolleyes:

[Northernhibee]

We are 2-0 up and he replaced 2 of our better players last night in Rocky and Jeggo with 2 players with much less quality, this is exactly the time where the shape of the team needs to change to see out a game.

But no, Montgomery is a 4-4-2 man and will live or die by it.:rolleyes:

4-4-2 served us very well defensively against Celtic.

We need players to concentrate, keep calm, and we didn’t do that.

[blackpoolhibs]

4-4-2 served us very well defensively against Celtic.

We need players to concentrate, keep calm, and we didn’t do that.

Did he take our best 2 performing players off against Celtic?

[Northernhibee]

Did he take our best 2 performing players off against Celtic?

And there we go, it wasn’t 4-4-2 that was the issue. Glad to see we agree.

[blackpoolhibs]

And there we go, it wasn’t 4-4-2 that was the issue. Glad to see we agree.

It is 4-4-2 that was the issue, we weakened the side with players who needed help. Delferrie probably needed a couple of players to help him in the middle he was that pish.

As i originally said, 4-4-2 can probably work when we are at full strength, not when seriously weakening an are as important as the midfield, which was why i said tweaking the system would haave been better, but no Monty is a gung ho 4-4-2 man and thats what we will play no matter the circumstances.

[Winston Ingram]

4-4-2 served us very well defensively against Celtic.

We need players to concentrate, keep calm, and we didn’t do that.

It's a horse for a course. We played in a very Sean Dyche at Burnley way on Sunday. Double banked and closed all the spaces in our own 3rd.

[Donegal Hibby]

Glad somebody else has said this , taking off two of our better players and putting on who we did weakened the team . That was the time to change the shape .At half -time we had 3 shots with 1 on target compared to there 3 .

They ended up having more shots/ on target than us at ER . We have a quality striker upfront in Vente that we created absolutely nothing for again. We could have went 5 in midfield or at the back to tighten things up when we went 2-0 up .

A lot of managers would have changed the shape last night when making the substitution, just don't get why we have to play one way without being able to change things if needed .

[McGruber]

It is 4-4-2 that was the issue, we weakened the side with players who needed help. Delferrie probably needed a couple of players to help him in the middle he was that pish.

As i originally said, 4-4-2 can probably work when we are at full strength, not when seriously weakening an are as important as the midfield, which was why i said tweaking the system would haave been better, but no Monty is a gung ho 4-4-2 man and thats what we will play no matter the circumstances.

Yeah, 2 up and wanting to make changes - should have changed the shape to allow for us bringing on a young fringe player into the middle (shouldn't have come on at all but that is a different story).

I still find it hard to believe he has ever said it is 4-4-2 or nothing. Are we confusing him saying he isn't going to change the way we play, i.e ball retention, style, playing out from the back

If he has said/if he will only ever play 4-4-2 then that is mad. Nothing to do with whether or not it is a good or even our best formation - just that there is always going to be times, specific games, players available, in game situations that require tactical shift, it's the whole point of having a manager.

Levitt looked quality last night. Boyle and Youan not in their best areas and Vente not getting chances - 4-3-3 looks ideal for those players and incorporates Newell and Jeggo. I think that is what a lot of fans have been saying before now.

[B.H.F.C]

It is 4-4-2 that was the issue, we weakened the side with players who needed help. Delferrie probably needed a couple of players to help him in the middle he was that pish.

As i originally said, 4-4-2 can probably work when we are at full strength, not when seriously weakening an are as important as the midfield, which was why i said tweaking the system would haave been better, but no Monty is a gung ho 4-4-2 man and thats what we will play no matter the circumstances.

If Delferrière needed a couple in there with him then he’s the problem, no the shape. If you were bringing him on and wanted to change the shape, you’d need to have brought on another midfielder as well. Just bring on the one that can do the job in the first place rather than the one who can’t, or leave the one on who is doing the job.

I don’t disagree with the general point that we need our best players on the pitch but I think that goes for any shape we play.

Yet again we’re incapable of dealing with crosses in to the box and that’s been a constant all season whereas the shape hasn’t.

All that said I think it’s madness to never consider changing, but I don’t think lack of shape change cost us last night.

[Since452]

I worry we're giving teams, even poor ones like RC far too many shots at goal. Ross County had a few really good chances and scored a couple of goals. They more than deserved their point. Bar a 0-0 with Celtic (who also peppered our goal) we're far too easy to play and create chances against. Is that down to the 442? What didn't help was taking off our best performing CB and defensive midfielder who was playing very well. Became the perfect storm.

[JimBHibees]

I worry we're giving teams, even poor ones like RC far too many shots at goal. Ross County had a few really good chances and scored a couple of goals. They more than deserved their point. Bar a 0-0 with Celtic (who also peppered our goal) we're far too easy to play and create chances against. Is that down to the 442? What didn't help was taking off our best performing CB and defensive midfielder who was playing very well. Became the perfect storm.

Actually think Celtic created as little as i have seen them at the weekend. Only real chance one near the end