Team vs the rangers

[Tambo]

How would you approach the game on Saturday? I can see good arguments for either a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3/4-1-4-1

Vente or ALF could drop deeper without the ball in a 4-4-2.

Personally I would go with

Marshall

Miller
Fish
Rocky
Obita

Jeggo

Boyle
Levitt
Newell
Youan

Vente

[B.H.F.C]

Montgomery won’t change. It’ll be 442 it’s just who plays within it for me.

IMO 8 places are nailed down. Marshall, Miller, Fish, Obita, Boyle, Newell, Youan and Vente.

It’s Rocky or Hanlon. Would be Hanlon for me.

Jeggo or Levitt. Think Jeggo will play on Saturday but Levitt will start to get more time on the park in coming weeks.

Doidge or ALF. I think ALF should play and we should stop pissing about with this position and give Vente a partner.

[Cod Boy]

Has Marshall recovered from injury at Tynecastle

[Billy Whizz]

Has Marshall recovered from injury at Tynecastle

Good question. Noticed Boruc and Johnson got a half each this week, hopefully this was only as a precaution

[Since452]

Hope we don't play 442 against them. Better teams will hurt us if we do. Hearts should have been out of sight by half time. Lowry had the run of Tynecastle.

[Gmack7]

I'd like to see Hanlon in for Rocky and Levitt in for Doidge from the starting 11 at tiny, slight change in formation but a bit more compact and hopefully we can keep the ball when we get it

[Hibees1973]

Normally I would want Hibs to take a more cautious approach at Ibrox.

Not this time.

My feeling is that we need to play to our strengths for this game. If all fit, I would start with the same eleven we had at Tiny. On a bigger pitch and with the Hun really vulnerable at the moment I would sit in against them, hopefully our back 4 perfom, then look to expose them on the break with the pace we have.

Does require Jeggo & Newell to be disciplined and not get caught too far up the park. They both need to retain the ball in tight spaces and able to pick out our forwards.

[JimBHibees]

Hope we don't play 442 against them. Better teams will hurt us if we do. Hearts should have been out of sight by half time. Lowry had the run of Tynecastle.

Out of sight they had about three shots at goal

[JimBHibees]

Montgomery won’t change. It’ll be 442 it’s just who plays within it for me.

IMO 8 places are nailed down. Marshall, Miller, Fish, Obita, Boyle, Newell, Youan and Vente.

It’s Rocky or Hanlon. Would be Hanlon for me.

Jeggo or Levitt. Think Jeggo will play on Saturday but Levitt will start to get more time on the park in coming weeks.

Doidge or ALF. I think ALF should play and we should stop pissing about with this position and give Vente a partner.

Jeggo is nailed on for this game imo

[JimBHibees]

Has Marshall recovered from injury at Tynecastle

Personally if genuine groin pull he will be struggling

[MKHIBEE]

Out of sight they had about three shots at goal

They had 5 shots on target

[bingo70]

They had 5 shots on target

In the first half?

[MWHIBBIES]

Think Campbell could be useful here. Either behind Vente or our wide.

[B.H.F.C]

Hope we don't play 442 against them. Better teams will hurt us if we do. Hearts should have been out of sight by half time. Lowry had the run of Tynecastle.

Out of sight is a bit OTT.

Vente did a decent interview at the weekend and he spoke about us having one system and that’s how they all know what they’re doing now. There are different things you can do within that system but think people need to accept that he ain’t going to change and it’s going to be a 442 week in, week out.

[Jones28]

Can maybe see Monty making some adjustments, maybe even dropping a striker to allow a 3 man midfield, Jeggo deeper with Newell and Levitt further forward.

First game against the OF for the gaffer so it’s a bit of a free hit.

[Skol]

It is highly unlikely Monty will change from 4-4-2. What he may do though is change who is where. I could see one of boyle or youan alongside vente and bringing in either Campbell or levitt to midfield.

[B.H.F.C]

It is highly unlikely Monty will change from 4-4-2. What he may do though is change who is where. I could see one of boyle or youan alongside vente and bringing in either Campbell or levitt to midfield.

He’s moved Boyle up front in the latter part of 2 or 3 games so if he was going to do something like that, I’d think it would probably be him that he’d shift.

Shape ain’t changing but agree something like that could happen with someone else just playing from a wider position but tucking in a bit.

[Skol]

He’s moved Boyle up front in the latter part of 2 or 3 games so if he was going to do something like that, I’d think it would probably be him that he’d shift.

Shape ain’t changing but agree something like that could happen with someone else just playing from a wider position but tucking in a bit.

I agree although given a choice of one of boyle and youan in midfield I would choose boyle. It’s not impossible the midfield could be Campbell levitt Jeggo and newell, although I think that’s also unlikely. P

[B.H.F.C]

I agree although given a choice of one of boyle and youan in midfield I would choose boyle. It’s not impossible the midfield could be Campbell levitt Jeggo and newell, although I think that’s also unlikely. P

I’d have Youan on the left as Tavernier will leave plenty space as he usually does. It’s a funny one with him because he’s probably their biggest threat but he’s also their biggest weakness going the other way so it’s just a case of what the manager places more importance on I guess (I think for Monty it’ll be the latter).

[Skol]

I’d have Youan on the left as Tavernier will leave plenty space as he usually does. It’s a funny one with him because he’s probably their biggest threat but he’s also their biggest weakness going the other way so it’s just a case of what the manager places more importance on I guess (I think for Monty it’ll be the latter).

This just made me think of stokes goal in the cup final :flag:

[Greenio]

I'd like to see Levitt brought in.

I think his skill on the ball will make stuff happen from the midfield

New manager or not The Rangers are weakened and nervy AF

This isn't a time to holding back too much and I don't think Monty has that in his mindset

[Donegal Hibby]

Montgomery won’t change. It’ll be 442 it’s just who plays within it for me.

IMO 8 places are nailed down. Marshall, Miller, Fish, Obita, Boyle, Newell, Youan and Vente.

It’s Rocky or Hanlon. Would be Hanlon for me.

Jeggo or Levitt. Think Jeggo will play on Saturday but Levitt will start to get more time on the park in coming weeks.

Doidge or ALF. I think ALF should play and we should stop pissing about with this position and give Vente a partner.

Agree about Monty won't change the 4-4-2 though agree with S452 in that I hope we do , at times we are away to exposed at the back. Got to remember where we are playing, who and the circumstances. Love Hibs playing attacking football though this isn't the time for it imo . I'd like to see us play 4-5-1 .

Marshall.

Miller.
Fish .
Hanlon.
Stevenson.

Boyle .
Newell.
Jeggo.
Campbell.
Youan.

Vente .

[Keepthefaith]

Hope we don't play 442 against them. Better teams will hurt us if we do. Hearts should have been out of sight by half time. Lowry had the run of Tynecastle.

yes they were better but we didn't really perform. it wasn't the formation that was the problem, it was the lack of press, poor passing, poor ball retention. all of those things improved second half and we were the more dangerous as a result. Monty won't change from 442 and he shouldn't need to - folk just need to do their jobs and apply themselves properly. play to our strengths, not tweak too much - look how that went for Johnson!

[Donegal Hibby]

yes they were better but we didn't really perform. it wasn't the formation that was the problem, it was the lack of press, poor passing, poor ball retention. all of those things improved second half and we were the more dangerous as a result. Monty won't change from 442 and he shouldn't need to - folk just need to do their jobs and apply themselves properly. play to our strengths, not tweak too much - look how that went for Johnson!

The " we didn't really perform" bit has happened to us quite a bit in certain games .If it happens at Ibrox I think we will get punished. LJ went toe to toe with Celtic at parkhead and we got punished badly , the second time we played them was different in Youan was harshly sent off and we had kept them at bay for around 50 minutes or so I think. Old firm home / away we need to treat differently to other games imo .

[JohnM1875]

No chance we'll be changing from a 442. It's the formation we play and we have our youth teams doing the same now.

Clement apparently prefers a 442 as well so I'm guessing they'll be playing that. Think he likes two sitters though.

[erin go bragh]

Marshall

Miller
Fish
Hanlon
Obita

Newall
Jeggo
Levitt
Youhan

Boyle
Vente

[erin go bragh]

Agree about Monty won't change the 4-4-2 though agree with S452 in that I hope we do , at times we are away to exposed at the back. Got to remember where we are playing, who and the circumstances. Love Hibs playing attacking football though this isn't the time for it imo . I'd like to see us play 4-5-1 .

Marshall.

Miller.
Fish .
Hanlon.
Stevenson.

Boyle .
Newell.
Jeggo.
Campbell.
Youan.

Vente .

Thats a Johnson team imo
no for me

[Libby Hibby]

Marsh (If Fit)


Miller
Fish
Hanlon
Obita

Boyle
Jeggo
Newell
Youan

ALF
Vente

[Heisenberg]

Marsh (If Fit)


Miller
Fish
Hanlon
Obita

Boyle
Jeggo
Newell
Youan

ALF
Vente

Reckon Rocky plays instead of Hanlon but that’ll be pretty close to the team I’d think. Interesting to see how it works out.

[BoomtownHibees]

Marshall

Miller
Fish
Hanlon
Obita

Newall
Jeggo
Levitt
Youhan

Boyle
Vente

How’s your midfield setup in this?

[Donegal Hibby]

Thats a Johnson team imo
no for me

I don't see how it's a LJ team tbh . Huns four home games they've had 63%, 51% *, 69% and 72% possession. * was against Celtic. Averaging between 17 to 22 shots on goal .

Going with a 4-4-2 at Ibrox with a Midfield that at times drifts out of games and two fullbacks that push up leaving our defence exposed would be a dangerous game to play against a better quality team Imo. I don't think two strikers who aren't going to see much of the ball anyhow is a good idea either .

We should set up more defensively for this game , certainly got players who can hurt them on the counter attack in Boyle and Youan too.

[K&S1875]

Newell was wearing a moon boot and was using crutches on Sunday (15th). He’s a major doubt for the game.

[B.H.F.C]

Newell was wearing a moon boot and was using crutches on Sunday (15th). He’s a major doubt for the game.

Would be a big miss if we were to lose him going in to the run of fixtures we have.

[babahibs]

Marshall

Miller
Fish
Rocky
Obita

Boyle
Jeggo
Newell
Youan

Alf
Vente

Alf can drop and link so Vente doesn't get isolated

[K&S1875]

It was Shankland’s tackle on Newell after 5 mins in the derby game that’s caused this injury!!!!!

[JimBHibees]

Newell was wearing a moon boot and was using crutches on Sunday (15th). He’s a major doubt for the game.

Not liking that news

[Since452]

The " we didn't really perform" bit has happened to us quite a bit in certain games .If it happens at Ibrox I think we will get punished. LJ went toe to toe with Celtic at parkhead and we got punished badly , the second time we played them was different in Youan was harshly sent off and we had kept them at bay for around 50 minutes or so I think. Old firm home / away we need to treat differently to other games imo .

That's my worry. We've not really been performing well under Montgomery OR our previous manager for a whole 90 minutes and a good side with superior players will punish us as Hearts really should have done (not saying they have superior players btw but they're one of the better sides). It's got all the makings of that 6-1 game at Celtic park almost exactly a year ago. I expect Rangers to have a bit of a new manager bounce. As you say, LJ went toe to toe with Celtic and got punished for it. I honestly think 442 would be naïve in Glasgow. The difference is Montgomery will probably get applauded for having a go whereas LJ was slaughtered.

[erin go bragh]

How’s your midfield setup in this?
Ill leave that to NM 😜

[B.H.F.C]

That's my worry. We've not really been performing well under Montgomery OR our previous manager for a whole 90 minutes and a good side with superior players will punish us as Hearts really should have done (not saying they have superior players btw but they're one of the better sides). It's got all the makings of that 6-1 game at Celtic park almost exactly a year ago. I expect Rangers to have a bit of a new manager bounce. As you say, LJ went toe to toe with Celtic and got punished for it. I honestly think 442 would be naïve in Glasgow. The difference is Montgomery will probably get applauded for having a go whereas LJ was slaughtered.

If we get beat 6-1 I can guarantee you Montgomery won’t be getting applauded. The biggest difference, though, is that ain’t going to happen.

You can set up in any formation you want but if the players don’t know their jobs, or don’t do their jobs, you’ll get beaten. Under the previous manager everything changed from weak to weak and, most of the time, nobody knew what they were doing. The couple of times we did manage to string a few results together was when we got a bit consistency. Vente’s comments recently about how they work to one formation very telling for me. If we had good players to bring in, in other areas, then I’d understand it but you’re probably looking at bringing in the likes of Campbell which I don’t think will strengthen us even in a different shape.

[superfurryhibby]

Newell was wearing a moon boot and was using crutches on Sunday (15th). He’s a major doubt for the game.

Did you see him personally or were you just told this?

I remember when posts like this would get shot down for handing the opposition some intelligence on how the side will set up.

[K&S1875]

I saw him and spoke with him.

[K&S1875]

Joe was in a very busy public space. He wasn’t in disguise so he wasn’t hiding the fact that he was wearing a moon boot and was using two crutches.

[Donegal Hibby]

If we get beat 6-1 I can guarantee you Montgomery won’t be getting applauded. The biggest difference, though, is that ain’t going to happen.

You can set up in any formation you want but if the players don’t know their jobs, or don’t do their jobs, you’ll get beaten. Under the previous manager everything changed from weak to weak and, most of the time, nobody knew what they were doing. The couple of times we did manage to string a few results together was when we got a bit consistency. Vente’s comments recently about how they work to one formation very telling for me. If we had good players to bring in, in other areas, then I’d understand it but you’re probably looking at bringing in the likes of Campbell which I don’t think will strengthen us even in a different shape.

Monty doesn't really have to change the formation from week to week and playing an attacking 4-4-2 is fine most of the time though against better quality opposition like the old firm sometimes you need to dig in with a defensive counter attacking approach. We should always have a ' plan B ' when playing the old firm imo rather than trying to go toe to toe with them as we did in the 6-1 game .

Campbell would add abit more energy and graft to our Midfield that has drifted out of games frequently this year , he also be able to support Vente at times if we played one up front too .

[B.H.F.C]

Monty doesn't really have to change the formation from week to week and playing an attacking 4-4-2 is fine most of the time though against better quality opposition like the old firm sometimes you need to dig in with a defensive counter attacking approach. We should always have a ' plan B ' when playing the old firm imo rather than trying to go toe to toe with them as we did in the 6-1 game .

Campbell would add abit more energy and graft to our Midfield that has drifted out of games frequently this year , he also be able to support Vente at times if we played one up front too .

That Celtic game wasn’t just all about shape. We probably had a shape in that game that most would favour this Saturday over what we’ve been playing.

What we had was a midfield three containing Campbell and Kenneh. We had a striker in Kukharevych who wasn’t fit and that was acknowledged full time as he was subbed at half time. And we started McKirdy. Stevenson gifted Forrest a goal and Marshall dropped one in to his own net after 20 odd minutes. Play some of those players and make those mistakes and the formation doesn’t matter a toss.

[theonlywayisup]

Would love to see Boyle running through the middle, rather than being out on the wing!

Youan needs to be on his game to prevent Tavenier from supporting their attack.

[CapitalGreen]

Monty doesn't really have to change the formation from week to week and playing an attacking 4-4-2 is fine most of the time though against better quality opposition like the old firm sometimes you need to dig in with a defensive counter attacking approach. We should always have a ' plan B ' when playing the old firm imo rather than trying to go toe to toe with them as we did in the 6-1 game .

Campbell would add abit more energy and graft to our Midfield that has drifted out of games frequently this year , he also be able to support Vente at times if we played one up front too .

Josh Campbell was abysmal on our last trip to Ibrox, he had absolutely nothing in midfield apart from continually gifting the ball back to the opposition.

[Donegal Hibby]

That Celtic game wasn’t just all about shape. We probably had a shape in that game that most would favour this Saturday over what we’ve been playing.

What we had was a midfield three containing Campbell and Kenneh. We had a striker in Kukharevych who wasn’t fit and that was acknowledged full time as he was subbed at half time. And we started McKirdy. Stevenson gifted Forrest a goal and Marshall dropped one in to his own net after 20 odd minutes. Play some of those players and make those mistakes and the formation doesn’t matter a toss.

The team was alot more attacking in the 6-1 game with two strikers playing , we also had Cadden at RB who is very good going forward though defensively weak . 3 goals we lost in 24 minutes! Individual mistakes did cost us goals though trying to have a go with that formation against a team of Celtic's quality there was only going to be one winner, they could have had more than 6 too imo .

The 2nd game at parkhead was a lot better formation wise , Jeggo in for kenneh , Miller in for Cadden and only one recognised striker playing with Campbell in support. 5 defender's at the back too . It was going pretty well until the ref sent Youan off in the 24 minute though we still kept them out for nearly half an hour after that .

Agree that if players make mistakes formation doesn't matter though if they don't the way the teams set up is important . Going to Ibrox with two strikers, two wingers going central in support and our fullbacks pushing forward down the wings while leaving our defence exposed with a Midfield that drifts out of games would worry me in fairness.

They've just a appointed a new manager and will have got a lift from it and be out to try and impress him , playing our usual attacking game against there quality could see us take a doing imo which is why I'm hoping Monty has plan B !

[Libby Hibby]

We normally get beat at Ibrox, why not get beat having a right good go.

Like the Hertz game, why not concentrate on us instead of those half baked weedgie inbreds.

[MWHIBBIES]

We normally get beat at Ibrox, why not get beat having a right good go.

Like the Hertz game, why not concentrate on us instead of those half baked weedgie inbreds.

Because we could get thumped doing that?

Our players are nowhere near good enough to just focus on ourselves.

We actually have a very acceptable record at Ibrox the last 20 years. Better than most sides.

[BoomtownHibees]

Because we could get thumped doing that?

Our players are nowhere near good enough to just focus on ourselves.

We actually have a very acceptable record at Ibrox the last 20 years. Better than most sides.

Not won in 5 years or something though. May as well try something a bit different for me

[MWHIBBIES]

Not won in 5 years or something though. May as well try something a bit different for me

Aren't we trying something different by having different players and a different manager from those previous matches?

[BoomtownHibees]

Aren't we trying something different by having different players and a different manager from those previous matches?

We’ve had a few different players and managers within that 5 years that hasn’t worked. If we do go and get a result then of course the players and managers will influence that but so will the way we setup and how we approach the game.

Let’s go and play our way and see what happens. I don’t see Monty changing much from what we have seen since he came in anyway

[Hibernian Verse]

We’ve had a few different players and managers within that 5 years that hasn’t worked. If we do go and get a result then of course the players and managers will influence that but so will the way we setup and how we approach the game.

Let’s go and play our way and see what happens. I don’t see Monty changing much from what we have seen since he came in anyway

If we win there it won't be because of how we've set up and approached the game it'll be because we've ridden our luck.

[Donegal Hibby]

Josh Campbell was abysmal on our last trip to Ibrox, he had absolutely nothing in midfield apart from continually gifting the ball back to the opposition.

Was that the game we lost 3-2 ?, do remember him excellent in the 2-2 game at ER though. Continually gifting the ball away seems to be happening to a lot this season too , killie game was a prime example after we went 2 up .

[Billy Whizz]

Weather looking a bit calmer tomorrow around KO time and dry as well

[King Cosell]

Marsh (If Fit)


Miller
Fish
Hanlon
Obita

Boyle
Jeggo
Newell
Youan

ALF
Vente

Marshall's all smiles at training, so it looks like he's fine.27326

[Iain G]

Marshall's all smiles at training, so it looks like he's fine.27326

You can only get injury updates from very busy places these days, it's far too quiet in that photograph.

[Billy Whizz]

It would be a big call from NM to drop Marshall and play Jo Jo, although he’s not frightened of making these decisions

[overdrive]

It would be a big call from NM to drop Marshall and play Jo Jo, although he’s not frightened of making these decisions

I don’t think he will. He seems to really like Marshall. TBF he’s been alright since the previous international break

[wookie70]

Personally if genuine groin pull he will be struggling All Keepers now available (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/latest-on-marshall-wollacott)

[JimBHibees]

All Keepers now available (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/latest-on-marshall-wollacott)

Good news obviously not a genuine groin strain :greengrin

[Power]

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[Donegal Hibby]

Monty pre -match interview.
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/monty-we-go-there-full-of-confidence

[Libby Hibby]

In tae them

[erin go bragh]

No new injuries, so take it super Joe is good to go.

[Torto7]

Amazing how many bedwetters want to completely change a successful formula Monty has deployed. Rangers are honking. Play 4-4-2 and have a go, why do people focus on one bad half against the gunts rather than all of the successful halves we've played under Montgomerie playing 4-4-2.

[Greenio]

I think folk are underestimating just how sub par this The Rangers team is. New manager or not, they've lost good players, replaced them with worse ones and simply aren't at the standard they've been at. Worst team for years. Don't care what the stats say. No way should we be 'scared of a battering' off this lot. It'll play right into their arrogance and they'll feed off it. Get right into them from the off and throughout. They are wounded, we need to take advantage of that

[S4uzee]

I think folk are underestimating just how sub par this The Rangers team is. New manager or not, they've lost good players, replaced them with worse ones and simply aren't at the standard they've been at. Worst team for years. Don't care what the stats say. No way should we be 'scared of a battering' off this lot. It'll play right into their arrogance and they'll feed off it. Get right into them from the off and throughout. They are wounded, we need to take advantage of that
A new manager always lifts a place. Just look at ourselves

[Allant1981]

Don't think I'd be playing with just 2 in the middle of the park but NM doesn't seem to come away from that so reckon it will be almost the same as the last few weeks

Marshall
Miller
Fish
Rocky or Hanlon
Obita
Boyle
Jeggo
Newell
Youan
Vente
ALF

[Since452]

Amazing how many bedwetters want to completely change a successful formula Monty has deployed. Rangers are honking. Play 4-4-2 and have a go, why do people focus on one bad half against the gunts rather than all of the successful halves we've played under Montgomerie playing 4-4-2.

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

[Greenio]

A new manager always lifts a place. Just look at ourselves

Maybe. Still no reason to be content to take a whipping.

I dont mind not taking any points. I mind if we play for 1 or none.

Wouldn't usually say this. If they were strong. Fair enough. Take the best you can get.

Right now. They are nowhere near a good The Rangers team. We should be showing them that

[Broken Gnome]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

That's really not true.

[B.H.F.C]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

I know you like Johnson and like having a wee moan about how we’d all be moaning if he was doing how Monty is doing. But the fact is he wasn’t doing as well as Monty is doing and if you think of the first there’s performances in the league then, yes, there has been a clear improvement. He’s trying to implement a new style and different system on a team who were completely failing under the previous manager. And they already look to have more fight about them coming from behind to get to a semi final and at Tynecastle.

[Heisenberg]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

I’m not sure what you’ve been watching if you think we’ve barely improved from when Lee Johnson was here.

[flash]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

There comes a time when we all need to take a wee break from things.

This post suggests your time has arrived.

[Libby Hibby]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

This take on things since the change in management is truly mind boggling.

[OstKurve Hibs]

I’m not sure what you’ve been watching if you think we’ve barely improved from when Lee Johnson was here.

Maybe only watches sportscene.

[easty]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

I can see where you’re coming from to be honest.

I can see improvements in parts of our games, but I’m not seeing the big turnaround some people seem to be seeing,

I don’t think the results would be much different had Ross stayed. I think that given the squad we have available to us, we should be doing better still. Shouldn’t be going away with a point when 2-0 up at Killie. Shouldn’t be so toothless against Dundee at home. Shouldn’t be so uncompetitive against Hearts (for the 1st half).

I do think there’s signs the players look like they’re trying to play more football, but we’ve not improved dramatically.

[JimBHibees]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

Didn't take long.

[JimBHibees]

A new manager always lifts a place. Just look at ourselves

I think that has been pretty much proven to be a myth.

[J-C]

I’m not sure what you’ve been watching if you think we’ve barely improved from when Lee Johnson was here.

Remember he was a Johnson fan boy, he's obviously still hurting.

[JimBHibees]

Amazing how many bedwetters want to completely change a successful formula Monty has deployed. Rangers are honking. Play 4-4-2 and have a go, why do people focus on one bad half against the gunts rather than all of the successful halves we've played under Montgomerie playing 4-4-2.

Don't think they are honking. We will need to play well and get a bit of luck to get anything. Cantwell could be a big player and we are not able to give him the space Lowry had. Certainly more confident going there with Monty however the proof is in the pudding.

[B.H.F.C]

I can see where you’re coming from to be honest.

I can see improvements in parts of our games, but I’m not seeing the big turnaround some people seem to be seeing,

I don’t think the results would be much different had Ross stayed. I think that given the squad we have available to us, we should be doing better still. Shouldn’t be going away with a point when 2-0 up at Killie. Shouldn’t be so toothless against Dundee at home. Shouldn’t be so uncompetitive against Hearts (for the 1st half).

I do think there’s signs the players look like they’re trying to play more football, but we’ve not improved dramatically.

I think there is an argument to be made that we are still a fair way away from being a good, consistent team. But it needs to be remembered just how bad those first league games under Johnson were. They were as bad and disorganised as anything you’ll ever see.

[The Modfather]

I can see where you’re coming from to be honest.

I can see improvements in parts of our games, but I’m not seeing the big turnaround some people seem to be seeing,

I don’t think the results would be much different had Ross stayed. I think that given the squad we have available to us, we should be doing better still. Shouldn’t be going away with a point when 2-0 up at Killie. Shouldn’t be so toothless against Dundee at home. Shouldn’t be so uncompetitive against Hearts (for the 1st half).

I do think there’s signs the players look like they’re trying to play more football, but we’ve not improved dramatically.

I think the opposite. I think we finally look like a proper, well structured team that it’s clear to see what it’s doing. Something we haven’t seen since probably Jack Ross’ team finishing 3rd. Montgomery has successfully implemented a way of playing and will now sign players to fit into that set up.

He has come in and straight away made the hard, and unpopular, decisions that his predecessors were unable to do in dropping the likes of Stevenson, Hanlon & Campbell.

We’re still not perfect, far from it, but he inherited a good first 11, but paper thin squad in most areas, but a starting 11 that was also woefully underperforming. He’s already turning that round. I’m not sure he could have done much more than he has so far in still being unbeaten and won a QF in the 6 or 7 weeks he’s been here.

[green day]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

I will give you the St Johnstone one, but St Mirren ffs?

They were absolutely flying, unbeaten for weeks, some peoples favourites in that cup game and no commentator would have been overly surprised if they had continued their run by knocking us out.

That - for me - was a huge game, and one I would have almost expected to lose under Johnson.

While you are right that the players need to show some consistency for 90 minutes, we now have what Mikey Stewart calls an "identity" in how we play, theres no selection bingo and when we DO underperform for a period, I dont have the fear that the game has gone.

In summary, I disagree that we have "barely improved performance wise".

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe. Still no reason to be content to take a whipping.

I dont mind not taking any points. I mind if we play for 1 or none.

Wouldn't usually say this. If they were strong. Fair enough. Take the best you can get.

Right now. They are nowhere near a good The Rangers team. We should be showing them that

Don't think anyone is content to take a whipping which why I'd hoped we would have set up different for playing this one rather than leaving ourselves exposed at the back like we did in Killie , hertz games .

I do mind not taking points ( nobody likes to lose ) and I don't think we've ever played a game for no points either . Personally I'd take a point right here and now if I was offered one too!.

While Sevco aren't as good as they'd normally be they are still the 2nd best team in the league who'll probably finish miles ahead of us points wise in the league and we shouldn't be taking them lightly either .

[BILLYHIBS]

NM has been the best since Turnbull at turning things around at halftime

St Mirren in the cup and Hearts away but still early days

Hoping The Rangers do not get the new Manager bounce today

GGTTH

[Keepthefaith]

I will give you the St Johnstone one, but St Mirren ffs?

They were absolutely flying, unbeaten for weeks, some peoples favourites in that cup game and no commentator would have been overly surprised if they had continued their run by knocking us out.

That - for me - was a huge game, and one I would have almost expected to lose under Johnson.

While you are right that the players need to show some consistency for 90 minutes, we now have what Mikey Stewart calls an "identity" in how we play, theres no selection bingo and when we DO underperform for a period, I dont have the fear that the game has gone.

In summary, I disagree that we have "barely improved performance wise".

absolutely this. anyone who was at killie in the first game could see it a mile off - it has been individual errors that have cost us more points - we could easily be sitting in 4th. the team performances overall have been markedly better, its the run of draws that have diluted the impact - we should also have beaten Dundee in what was a very good performance.

interesting that Monty also clearly saying he's not naive to go all out attack against the rangers (unlike Johnson a la the beating we got at Celtic Park in his first game) and I like we have a manager who wants his team to build confidence in our strengths and not tinker too much with formations that appear to have contributed to Johnsons downfall.

there's absolutely no need for pessimism based on what we've seen so far. FFS what more can you want in such a short space of time?

[easty]

absolutely this. anyone who was at killie in the first game could see it a mile off - it has been individual errors that have cost us more points - we could easily be sitting in 4th. the team performances overall have been markedly better, its the run of draws that have diluted the impact - we should also have beaten Dundee in what was a very good performance.

interesting that Monty also clearly saying he's not naive to go all out attack against the rangers (unlike Johnson a la the beating we got at Celtic Park in his first game) and I like we have a manager who wants his team to build confidence in our strengths and not tinker too much with formations that appear to have contributed to Johnsons downfall.

there's absolutely no need for pessimism based on what we've seen so far. FFS what more can you want in such a short space of time?

I was at Killie and it wasn’t just the individual errors that got them back in the game. The goals came from errors but they were coming, Killie were looking like scoring.

It was only NM first game though.

[Donegal Hibby]

I can see where you’re coming from to be honest.

I can see improvements in parts of our games, but I’m not seeing the big turnaround some people seem to be seeing,

I don’t think the results would be much different had Ross stayed. I think that given the squad we have available to us, we should be doing better still. Shouldn’t be going away with a point when 2-0 up at Killie. Shouldn’t be so toothless against Dundee at home. Shouldn’t be so uncompetitive against Hearts (for the 1st half).

I do think there’s signs the players look like they’re trying to play more football, but we’ve not improved dramatically.

Same problems are there that have been there under previous managers , 2-0 up at killie and we fall out of the game , can't keep possession, give the ball away cheaply. Hertz game we drifted out of too . Agree with S452 in we are inconsistent in putting a good performance in for 90 minutes . Midfields been a big part of the problem imo . Need a big performance today and not just for 45 minutes.

[Brightside]

Has it been overly successful? We've beaten the worst team in the league and St Mirren in the cup since he came. We've barely improved performance wise. One bad half one good half. Been the same all season.

You ever thought of being a performance management consultant.

[Callum_62]

Hasn't lost a game after 5 matches

Has it improved though?

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[DH1875]

Will be an interesting match up as by all accounts this guy also plays 442 so we shouldn't really get overrun in midfield.

[superfurryhibby]

Big test awaits today.

We need to at least compete and make it hard for them, that's the minimum ambition I have for this match. The Hun have been beatable this season, as results have shown, but I fear our approach will lead to a drubbing. They have better players than the likes of Hearts and if we are as wide open down the flanks as the game at Tiny, we'll be well gubbed. Pragmatism is needed.

What will be funny is to see the return of our "visitors" and the predicable input from our resident dafties who will no doubt be all over the matchday thread as soon as they can. They've all been very quiet recently and the forum is a better place for it.

[Since452]

Didn't take long.

What didn't? Our best performance since LJ left was under SDG at Pittodrie. I've not seen the huge improvements most have. The first half at Tynecastle was worse than anything served up under LJ. We got back into it with two defensive errors but we weren't exactly fired up for the derby were we? We've been largely mediocre since Montgomery came in. He should be winning more games with the squad at his disposal, as should LJ have. Want to see them playing for more than 45 minutes. He won't get criticised today though unless he plays 442 and we get a bad one.

[Col2]

No way are we winning today.

We have been here before, it is no fluke that Rangers have not conceded a penalty at home in the league for almost two seasons.

VAR will be in overdrive if we get a goal, they will ignore all the incidents we call for and we should expect at least one penalty for an infringement only seen by VAR when Rangers need the goal.

New manager, can’t afford to drop points, not on TV = stitch up.

[Keepthefaith]

What didn't? Our best performance since LJ left was under SDG at Pittodrie. I've not seen the huge improvements most have. The first half at Tynecastle was worse than anything served up under LJ. We got back into it with two defensive errors but we weren't exactly fired up for the derby were we? We've been largely mediocre since Montgomery came in. He should be winning more games with the squad at his disposal, as should LJ have. Want to see them playing for more than 45 minutes.

Have a word with yourself eh? Worse than anything under Johnson? Do you actually watch any games? Sure the first half wasn't great, and Monty acknowledged it but to suggest that was worse than the likes of Ross county at home last season when we were dire for the whole game is just **** stirring. Oh and btw I was one of Johnson's supporters right up until the last couple of games!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Have a word with yourself eh? Worse than anything under Johnson? Do you actually watch any games? Sure the first half wasn't great, and Monty acknowledged it but to suggest that was worse than the likes of Ross county at home last season when we were dire for the whole game is just **** stirring. Oh and btw I was one of Johnson's supporters right up until the last couple of games!

:agree:

The idea that the first half at Tynecastle was worse than every minute of LJs reign is silly really.

[B.H.F.C]

What didn't? Our best performance since LJ left was under SDG at Pittodrie. I've not seen the huge improvements most have. The first half at Tynecastle was worse than anything served up under LJ. We got back into it with two defensive errors but we weren't exactly fired up for the derby were we? We've been largely mediocre since Montgomery came in. He should be winning more games with the squad at his disposal, as should LJ have. Want to see them playing for more than 45 minutes. He won't get criticised today though unless he plays 442 and we get a bad one.

You know what, he’ll get criticised today if we lose in a stupid manner. If we’ve been mediocre since he came in what were we before that?

Don’t think you want to see the improvements as you still like Lee.

[B.H.F.C]

:agree:

The idea that the first half at Tynecastle was worse than every minute of LJs reign is silly really.

Na, the 90 minutes at Tynecastle under LJ when we lost 3 going on 8 were much better than what we saw a fortnight ago. Much more fight and character about us that day…..

[Heisenberg]

:agree:

The idea that the first half at Tynecastle was worse than every minute of LJs reign is silly really.

It’s a mental suggestion that doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny.

[CapitalGreen]

:agree:

The idea that the first half at Tynecastle was worse than every minute of LJs reign is silly really.

It wouldn’t even make it into our top 5 worst 1st half performances of this season.

[Hibs90]

What didn't? Our best performance since LJ left was under SDG at Pittodrie. I've not seen the huge improvements most have. The first half at Tynecastle was worse than anything served up under LJ. We got back into it with two defensive errors but we weren't exactly fired up for the derby were we? We've been largely mediocre since Montgomery came in. He should be winning more games with the squad at his disposal, as should LJ have. Want to see them playing for more than 45 minutes. He won't get criticised today though unless he plays 442 and we get a bad one.

I've read and also posted some nonsense on here over the years but this is up there.

[BoomtownHibees]

Hanlon in for Rocky
ALF in for Doidge

Our best team imo

[Unseen work]

442

Hanlon in for Rocky

ALF in for Doidge

[SteveHFC]

Marshall
Miller
Hanlon
Fish
Obita
Boyle
Newell
Jeggo
Youan
ALF
Vente

[CapitalGreen]

Rocky dropped 🥳

[Allant1981]

Not really surprised with the line up

[B.H.F.C]

Surprised Rocky dropped (only in the sense I didn’t think he would be). Best available team.

[Donegal Hibby]

Rocky dropped 🥳

Hopefully our fullbacks aren't going forward as much with the news Hanlon is in the team instead of Rocky otherwise it could be long day for us !

[Since452]

Delighted Newell fit. Disappointed Rocky left out but been away with his country so makes sense.