Kick in the teeth for indigenous people

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/world/australian-referendum-to-create-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-fails


Voice for aboriginal people lose the referendum to have a committee to advise parliament in Australia

[Moulin Yarns]

Add to that new Zealand elect a right wing government.

[AgentDaleCooper]

The legacy of the British Empire never stops giving...we should be utterly ashamed of our influence on pretty much every continent (possibly excluding South America) on the planet.

[Callum_62]

Add to that new Zealand elect a right wing government."Right wing" is a stretch to be fair

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[Hibbyradge]

Awful. So disappointing.

[ddoc]

I live in the Blue Mountains, west of Sydney, having moved here 25 years ago. I have not taken on Australian citizenship, just have permanent residence status so have no voting right.
My take on this is that the yes campaign completely screwed up in their efforts to sell this to the voters.
The TV adverts were almost totally based on emotion and a lot of the commentary was you must vote yes as it is the right thing to do to put right the past sins of colonisation.
They totally failed to combat the no votes campaign, which pushed hard on the lack of substance in how the ‘voice’ was going to work. There was also a lot of ‘fear’ generated by misinformation on how much power this would give the indigenous Australians.
The indigenous community were also divided on this, with many wanting more than just the voice, and the talk of ‘treaty’ and ‘repatriation’ just further, IMO, alienated a large part of the non-indigenous community.
I did not follow the campaign of either side to closely, but the yes campaign just did not seem to get their message across effectively and, again IMO, put the advancement of improving their lot back significantly.
It is also a very emotive subject and though I made the point of avoiding the subject but when it came up what I noticed was that they were either totally for it or totally against it.

[Ozyhibby]

I live in the Blue Mountains, west of Sydney, having moved here 25 years ago. I have not taken on Australian citizenship, just have permanent residence status so have no voting right.
My take on this is that the yes campaign completely screwed up in their efforts to sell this to the voters.
The TV adverts were almost totally based on emotion and a lot of the commentary was you must vote yes as it is the right thing to do to put right the past sins of colonisation.
They totally failed to combat the no votes campaign, which pushed hard on the lack of substance in how the ‘voice’ was going to work. There was also a lot of ‘fear’ generated by misinformation on how much power this would give the indigenous Australians.
The indigenous community were also divided on this, with many wanting more than just the voice, and the talk of ‘treaty’ and ‘repatriation’ just further, IMO, alienated a large part of the non-indigenous community.
I did not follow the campaign of either side to closely, but the yes campaign just did not seem to get their message across effectively and, again IMO, put the advancement of improving their lot back significantly.
It is also a very emotive subject and though I made the point of avoiding the subject but when it came up what I noticed was that they were either totally for it or totally against it.

From what little I have heard of it, I would likely have voted against as well. Sounds like it would have made two classes of citizen. That never works well. We have that here and it just stores problems.
Aborigines in Oz have had a very bad (horrific at times) time of it and their treatment is still poor now. If Australia want to start making up for that then spending a disproportionately high amount of money improving education in those communities would go a long way. And both sides need to get their head around the fact they can’t go back 250 years and change anything. Aborigines need to start adapting to the world as it is now and Australia needs to start helping them do so. That involves spending some serious money.


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[AgentDaleCooper]

From what little I have heard of it, I would likely have voted against as well. Sounds like it would have made two classes of citizen. That never works well. We have that here and it just stores problems.
Aborigines in Oz have had a very bad (horrific at times) time of it and their treatment is still poor now. If Australia want to start making up for that then spending a disproportionately high amount of money improving education in those communities would go a long way. And both sides need to get their head around the fact they can’t go back 250 years and change anything. Aborigines need to start adapting to the world as it is now and Australia needs to start helping them do so. That involves spending some serious money.


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that's a rather colonial way of seeing it IMO.