Ref tomorrow.

[Ron D Hibbie]

John Beaton with Nick Walsh on var.

[Argylehibby]

Could be ok tomorrow.

Not playing Rangers, Porto has moved on and they won’t see us as a threat to them being in top 2 positions in the league. Any dodgy decisions will be incompetence rather than out and out cheating.

[Sprouleflyer]

I take it they will communicate with each other starting with Hello Hello is that the billy boy!

[Bostonhibby]

So one with the apron and the other one in the room alone with the goat?

VAR Scotland style.

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[HarpOnHibee]

Could be ok tomorrow.

Not playing Rangers, Porto has moved on and they won’t see us as a threat to them being in top 2 positions in the league. Any dodgy decisions will be incompetence rather than out and out cheating.

Yes.... "incompetence".

[Kentao1985]

Hopefully this is the last time they are paired together ... Have a horrible feeling the duo will be rolled out for the final if Hibs and The Rangers are featuring.

[scoopyboy]

I never really bother who is refereeing, most are poor so you know you are going to get bad decisions every game.

In theory VAR should stop the terrible ones.

[Carheenlea]

I never really bother who is refereeing, most are poor so you know you are going to get bad decisions every game.

In theory VAR should stop the terrible ones.

Have you ever read any posts proclaiming delight at a refereeing appointment?

They’re basically all pretty hopeless. Probably a consequence of not having total freedom to referee games as they see it in a “referees interpretation is final” environment. VAR is supposedly to assist officials to get decisions right, but it has actually put the referees and officials under more pressure than before VAR it’s made performances worse under more intense scrutiny.

[Donegal Hibby]

These two should be nowhere near a Hibs game EVER !. Two Huns who probably have a total dislike for Hibs. SFA at it again and just shows how corrupt the game is!.

[flash]

These two should be nowhere near a Hibs game EVER !. Two Huns who probably have a total dislike for Hibs. SFA at it again and just shows how corrupt the game is!.

They are hardly "at it" by appointing one of our normal referees.

[Donegal Hibby]

They are hardly "at it" by appointing one of our normal referees.

I'd hardly call them NORMAL referee's when everyone knows Walsh has an affillation with Sevco thru his work , Beaton has been caught drinking with them in a Hun pub after an old firm game as well . If you look back at the decisions both have been involved with in our games we have rarely seen them going our way if at all . Both are out in out Huns imo and shouldn't be near Hibs games .

[Dashing Bob S]

I'd hardly call them NORMAL referee's when everyone knows Walsh has an affillation with Sevco thru his work , Beaton has been caught drinking with them in a Hun pub after an old firm game as well . If you look back at the decisions both have been involved with in our games we have rarely seen them going our way if at all . Both are out in out Huns imo and shouldn't be near Hibs games .

Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Huns games either.

[flash]

I'd hardly call them NORMAL referee's when everyone knows Walsh has an affillation with Sevco thru his work , Beaton has been caught drinking with them in a Hun pub after an old firm game as well . If you look back at the decisions both have been involved with in our games we have rarely seen them going our way if at all . Both are out in out Huns imo and shouldn't be near Hibs games .

So whose games should they be near then?

[Carheenlea]

So whose games should they be near then?

Walsh has a conflict of interests and Beaton has compromised himself by brazenly drinking in a well known Rangers pub.

So to answer the question, none in Scotland.

[Donegal Hibby]

Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Huns games either.

St Johnstone v Livingston is where they should have been put .Both should be nowhere near Hibs , Celtic or Sevco games if the SFA were doing things correctly of course though time and time again we get them and in alot of games against the Huns as well .

[Donegal Hibby]

So whose games should they be near then?

Personally I wouldn't give them any though St Johnstone v Livingston would probably be the best pick or put both refereeing in the championship. I know the standard of refereeing isn't great in Scottish football but it's more than just being poor in Beaton and Walsh case . Having ones bad enough but two is really taking the p*** .

[HoboHarry]

So whose games should they be near then?
They shouldn't be refereeing at the highest level in Scotland or anywhere else, but geographical location and goat wrangling skills are the main criteria for promotion within Scottish refereeing.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The word 'best' doesn't really come into it when it comes to our refs, the most you can hope for with any of them is that they rise above the normal level of incompetence.

Our refs are drawn from a tiny geographical area in a closed shop that practically precludes anybody east of Motherwell from becoming a grade one ref ... the results of that are there for all to see. You would think never getting a ref picked to officiate at major international tournaments, when countries of a similar size do all the time, would have rung alarm bells by now. It's not just the fans who think our refs are rubbish, UEFA and FIFA do as well.

[HoboHarry]

The word 'best' doesn't really come into it when it comes to our refs, the most you can hope for with any of them is that they rise above the normal level of incompetence.

Our refs are drawn from a tiny geographical area in a closed shop that practically precludes anybody east of Motherwell from becoming a grade one ref ... the results of that are there for all to see. You would think never getting a ref picked to officiate at major international tournaments, when countries of a similar size do all the time, would have rung alarm bells by now. It's not just the fans who think our refs are rubbish, UEFA and FIFA do as well.
Agree completely and been saying exactly that for years. The other thing I wonder about is why anyone else in Scotland even bothers, any referee from Elgin, Inverness etc etc will know full well they have no chance of making the top level.

[WhileTheChief..]

We're playing Dundee. What does it matter who the ref is or where he is from?

[HoboHarry]

We're playing Dundee. What does it matter who the ref is or where he is from?
Thankfully, Monty won't be under estimating them.

[JammyDoidger]

That's the worst combination we could ask for, 2 total Huns that don't even try and hide it.

[Fratelli]

In the space of a few days, Walsh denied St Mirren a 2nd v Hearts with a shocking decision and followed that abomination on Wednesday by refusing to ask Collum to review The Rangers 1st goal v Livingston.

Beaton showed his ‘true-blue’ colours by corruptly allowing Rangers’ late equaliser v Albion Rovers in the Scottish Cup back in ‘14, still one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyakrjja76k

[LewysGot2]

That's the worst combination we could ask for, 2 total Huns that don't even try and hide it.

It really isn't.

Napier is the worst. No argument.

[JammyDoidger]

It really isn't.

Napier is the worst. No argument.

Christ I forgot about him, I'll give you that he is a farce, there is no other explanation for it, they are blatant cheats the lot of them, even with VAR it's the same muppets on that.

[WhileTheChief..]

Thankfully, Monty won't be under estimating them.

What you on about this time?

We're not playing one of the OF and there's never been any chat whatsoever of refereeing bias in favour of a club from Dundee over Hibs.

[Fratelli]

What you on about this time?

We're not playing one of the OF and there's never been any chat whatsoever of refereeing bias in favour of a club from Dundee over Hibs.

You are correct but I’m more concerned these days about the refereeing bias against Hibs!

[scoopyboy]

We're playing Dundee. What does it matter who the ref is or where he is from?

Exactly, the minute the players start to flap over who the referee is we are onto a loser.

Fans on here were getting their knickers in a twist because Craig Thomson reffed our cup game at Tynecastle in February 7th 2016. After the match he didn't even get a mention.

If the players do their job properly tomorrow then we will probably win, it's down to them and not the referee or who is on VAR.

[truehibernian]

Exactly, the minute the players start to flap over who the referee is we are onto a loser.

Fans on here were getting their knickers in a twist because Craig Thomson reffed our cup game at Tynecastle in February 7th 2016. After the match he didn't even get a mention.

If the players do their job properly tomorrow then we will probably win, it's down to them and not the referee or who is on VAR.

Very true, mind though it’s the wee non VAR decisions that annoy me with Beaton. Best ref we’ve had in recent years was Calum Murray - Hearts fan but incredibly fair and impartial - and reffed the 1-0 cup win when Spoony scored.

[andrew70]

Very true, mind though it’s the wee non VAR decisions that annoy me with Beaton. Best ref we’ve had in recent years was Calum Murray - Hearts fan but incredibly fair and impartial - and reffed the 1-0 cup win when Spoony scored.

Agreed on Murray. Was he not bombed out after a dodgy decision against Rangers though? I seem to be remember something about his rather swift exit.

[HarpOnHibee]

What you on about this time?

We're not playing one of the OF and there's never been any chat whatsoever of refereeing bias in favour of a club from Dundee over Hibs.

They don't have to be pro-Dundee to be anti-Hibs. We're just the mini's in the eyes of the old guard.

[Fratelli]

They don't have to be pro-Dundee to be anti-Hibs. We're just the mini's in the eyes of the old guard.

Totally agree with you - just a pity we don’t have pro-Hibs media pundits to speak out on our behalf.

[WhileTheChief..]

Pro-Hibs refs would be better :greengrin

[Johnny_Leith]

All very well and good saying it doesn't matter who the ref is but if they don't give - what looked a good shout - a pen for Youan and a second yellow for Bakoyoko for a kick on Miller then it does ultimately make a difference when an opposition defends well.

[H18 SFR]

Summer press release from the SFA:

SFA head of referees operations Crawford Allan has announced a rejig of the VAR set up on the eve of the new season with Andrew Dallas and Greg Aitken becoming full time video refs. But Allan also revealed fans should get ready for games smashing through the 100-minute barrier as part of a global move to increase in-play time.

[Kato]

Summer press release from the SFA:

SFA head of referees operations Crawford Allan has announced a rejig of the VAR set up on the eve of the new season with Andrew Dallas and Greg Aitken becoming full time video refs. But Allan also revealed fans should get ready for games smashing through the 100-minute barrier as part of a global move to increase in-play time.'cept Hibs if they are chasing a goal..

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[Carheenlea]

Summer press release from the SFA:

SFA head of referees operations Crawford Allan has announced a rejig of the VAR set up on the eve of the new season with Andrew Dallas and Greg Aitken becoming full time video refs. But Allan also revealed fans should get ready for games smashing through the 100-minute barrier as part of a global move to increase in-play time.

Just making it up as they go along. Some games are given increased game time, some are not.

Nobody has a clue what they're going to get from one week to the next. Unless you’re playing Rangers/ Celtic or a supporter of them.

[matty_f]

Refs are definitely biased in this country, there’s plenty evidence to back it up, from penalty stats to bookings per foul etc right through to things like time added on, pulling back play for innocuous challenges(Motherwell at Rangers) or ignoring fouls to let play go (Rangers v Livi), or VAR choosing to take the "easy option", and referees openly admitting to making sure decisions didn't go a certain way - evidenced in the after-dinner speaker circuit, or Levein recalling a referee telling him outright that his team will get nothing from him.

Even down to our player getting a yellow card in a game that, if it happened in an Old Firm game, the ref would keep his cards in his pocket... So down the line we get a suspension that they don't, or some referees never getting Rangers or Celtic games to referee but they're fine to make the mistakes with us.

It's blatant. VAR had only shone a light on how blatant it is, it hasn't deterred them, they're still completely unaccountable for it and we still have to just suck it up.