Klopp v Guardiola

[Hibbyradge]

I saw this on Facebook and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion...

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist. It's so simple:

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

Now see the reverse...what if Klopp went:
- To Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Barca's budget

- To Bayern with Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski and Bayern's budget

- To Man City with De Bruyne, Kompany and City's budget

Seriouly, what is there to debate? It's like comparing an actual, proven Football coach and a little boy playing FIFA Manager Mode in real life.

So there's one opinion. What do you think?

[BoomtownHibees]

I saw this on Facebook and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion...

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist. It's so simple:

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

Now see the reverse...what if Klopp went:
- To Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Barca's budget

- To Bayern with Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski and Bayern's budget

- To Man City with De Bruyne, Kompany and City's budget

Seriouly, what is there to debate? It's like comparing an actual, proven Football coach and a little boy playing FIFA Manager Mode in real life.

So there's one opinion. What do you think?

I don’t think any of them could go to Central Coast Mariners and win the A League Championship

[lyonhibs]

It makes an interesting point right up until the bit where it makes Klopp at Liverpool out to be some kind of genius pauper. As Chelsea prove so hilariously, the spending of loads of money does not, by itself, guarantee anything other than heightened expectations

[nonshinyfinish]

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

To me this is a bit like the "yeah, but could Messi do it on a wet Tuesday night in Stoke?" line of argument. It's one thing to point out that Pep's had big money everywhere he went, but that doesn't prove that he couldn't do a great job with lesser resources. Maybe he could, maybe he couldn't – we don't know either way because it's never happened. The argument you quoted assumes that if someone hasn't done something, it must mean they couldn't.

As mentioned above, getting the best out of an expensively assembled team of superstars is a specialised job in itself, and it's one that Pep is clearly brilliant at. The idea that anyone could do it as long as the money's there is just silly, as the Chelsea example demonstrates (plus Man United's ongoing shambles and many others). Could he do a Big Sam on a team that's in the bottom three at Christmas? No idea, but that's a different job requiring different skills.

[HibsGW]

I saw this on Facebook and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion...

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist. It's so simple:

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

Now see the reverse...what if Klopp went:
- To Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Barca's budget

- To Bayern with Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski and Bayern's budget

- To Man City with De Bruyne, Kompany and City's budget

Seriouly, what is there to debate? It's like comparing an actual, proven Football coach and a little boy playing FIFA Manager Mode in real life.

So there's one opinion. What do you think?

My response to this would be whilst Pep has spent more money, he’s consistently outperformed Klopp basically ever since he’s been a manager. He has spent more money yes, but he’s had much better results from it. We’ll never know if he’d do the same job as Klopp in the same circumstances, but in the circumstances he has, he has a track record of doing a pretty much perfect job. Both great managers of course.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I saw this on Facebook and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion...

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist. It's so simple:

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

Now see the reverse...what if Klopp went:
- To Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Barca's budget

- To Bayern with Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski and Bayern's budget

- To Man City with De Bruyne, Kompany and City's budget

Seriouly, what is there to debate? It's like comparing an actual, proven Football coach and a little boy playing FIFA Manager Mode in real life.

So there's one opinion. What do you think?

Sounds like a very simplistic argument, probably from a Liverpool supporter.

Both are outstanding managers. The best there is at the moment.

[Pretty Boy]

I wonder when the person who wrote that on Facebook last attended a game. I'm going to guess it wasn't recently.

[McSwanky]

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist.?

This bit I can get on board with. The rest of the post is just auntie's baws stuff.

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[Hibee Mac]

I'm not too fussed about arguments like this, just enjoy them for what they both are, excellent managers.

In saying that, to play devil's advocate, could you not argue that half the reason we now regard pep's previous sides as outstanding teams, i.e. xavi, iniesta, robber, lewandowski, etc is because he consistently gets the best out of every team and set of players he goes to?

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[Chorley Hibee]

Another one of those insufferable Messi/Ronaldo type arguments that are usually propagated by folk who haven't been anywhere near a football game involving either.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Another one of those insufferable Messi/Ronaldo type arguments that are usually propagated by folk who haven't been anywhere near a football game involving either.

:agree:

Only thing missing from the guy's post is the term 'GOAT'

[Torto7062]

I don’t think any of them could go to Central Coast Mariners and win the A League Championship

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[James Stephen]

I saw this on Facebook and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion...

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist. It's so simple:

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

Now see the reverse...what if Klopp went:
- To Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Barca's budget

- To Bayern with Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski and Bayern's budget

- To Man City with De Bruyne, Kompany and City's budget

Seriouly, what is there to debate? It's like comparing an actual, proven Football coach and a little boy playing FIFA Manager Mode in real life.

So there's one opinion. What do you think?

Obviously Mainz didnt have zero budget.

Borussia Dortmund and Liverpool are hardly plucky underdogs that never win things.

Guardiola managed Barcelona B team in the lower leagues in Spain (and did a good job).

Klopp also took Borussia Dortmund into a relegation fight one season, and recovered to a bottom half finish.

Uncovered gems? Mane was playing in the same league at Sputhampton, and Salah has played champions league for Basle, Chelsea, and was doing well at Roma when Liverpool signed them.

And Van Dijk was the most expensive defender ever bought, and Allison the most expensive goalie ever. Around 150m for the pair of them.

Also what does net spend have to do with how good a coach is? Klopp coaches very expensive, world class players just the same as Guardiola does. Barca paying over the odds for Coutinho doesnt really change that.

Also Guardiola had a far more varied and successful playing career, which maybe just makes him better at motivating and understanding expensive, world class players?

Apart from the scouse bullcrap, its a great argument

[brianmc]

Pep takes world class players and coaches them to become even better.
Klopp takes world class players and fits them into his team, which makes it better.
That's the difference I see.

[bod]

I think both would improve us with our current squad

[Bostonhibby]

I think both would improve us with our current squadI have greater admiration for Klopp, but can't see either of them sorting out our problems with crosses into the box.

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[jacomo]

I saw this on Facebook and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion...

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist. It's so simple:

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

Now see the reverse...what if Klopp went:
- To Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Barca's budget

- To Bayern with Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski and Bayern's budget

- To Man City with De Bruyne, Kompany and City's budget

Seriouly, what is there to debate? It's like comparing an actual, proven Football coach and a little boy playing FIFA Manager Mode in real life.

So there's one opinion. What do you think?


We don’t know how Pep would do at Mainz because he was an elite player at Barca and started his coaching career there.

Klopp and pretty much every other elite manager cites Pep as the best of the best. Why do we have this debate? His own peers think he’s great. Who cares what some random punter with an opinion thinks?

[Scouse Hibee]

Both excellent managers, their achievements are testament to that regardless of circumstances and net spend. Probably written by a Liverpool fan but it’s total bollox in my opinion.

[Stubbsy90+2]

Mainz didn’t have zero budget.

Salah, Mane etc weren’t hidden gems.

They also didn’t go from 18th. That’s last place in the Bundesliga and Klopp took over in the summer. They finished the season before he came in 13th and were runners up in the cup.

Under Klopp Liverpool went from 8th to 3rd over 8 full seasons (and in his first season he managed the vast majority of games, finishing 8th), winning the champions league, league, league cup and FA cup once each over 8 seasons. Removing the fact they haven’t won anything the last 2 seasons is daft.

Klopp is a great manager. Hes not even close to Pep though.

[AgentDaleCooper]

The other way of looking at it is "could Klopp get a team, with any kind of budget, play like Pep's teams?"

This is a point someone made to me - Pep is sort of like the finest of fine dining - you canonly do what he does with the besy ingredients.

I think I sort of agree, but i still prefer Klopp - even if it's not exactly underdog stories, i like the way he goes about mending fallen giants.

[MWHIBBIES]

Mainz didn’t have zero budget.

Salah, Mane etc weren’t hidden gems.

Under Klopp Liverpool went from 8th to 3rd over 8 full seasons (and in his first season he managed the vast majority of games, finishing 8th), winning the champions league, league, league cup and FA cup once each over 8 seasons. Removing the fact they haven’t won anything the last 2 seasons is daft.

Klopp is a great manager. Hes not even close to Pep though.
Not even close? :faf: behave

[HoboHarry]

Bollocks to the pair of them, widnae trade Monty for either of them...



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[Stevie Reid]

I saw this on Facebook and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion...

Honestly, Klopp vs Pep debate shouldn't even exist. It's so simple:

Under Klopp, Mainz went from German 2nd division to 13th in Bundesliga on zero budget:

- Could Pep go to Mainz and do that?

Under Klopp, Dortmund went from 18th in Bundesliga to 2 titles and a UCL final on a shoestring budget:

- Could Pep go to Dortmund and do that?

Under Klopp, Liverpool went from 8th in the league to winning all trophies in 6 years, majorly on the back of selling Coutinho and finding gems like Salah, Mane:

- Could Pep ever do that on Liverpool's net spend?

Now see the reverse...what if Klopp went:
- To Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Barca's budget

- To Bayern with Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski and Bayern's budget

- To Man City with De Bruyne, Kompany and City's budget

Seriouly, what is there to debate? It's like comparing an actual, proven Football coach and a little boy playing FIFA Manager Mode in real life.

So there's one opinion. What do you think?

Stopped reading when it mentioned Borussia Dortmund, a team with the largest stadium in Germany with over 80,000 capacity, as having a shoestring budget.

Incidentally Dortmund finished in 13th the season before Klopp was appointed. They’d have been relegated had they finished 18th.

[Stubbsy90+2]

Not even close? :faf: behave

He’s not. Their levels of success are worlds apart.

Guardiola - 2.34ppg over 873 games
Klopp - 1.86ppg over 1030 games

The difference between those numbers is nearly 20 points a season.

Guardiola - 3 Champions Leagues, 11 league titles, 10 domestic cups. A trophy every 36 games.

Klopp - 1 Champions League, 3 league titles, 3 domestic cups. A trophy every 147 games.

If you throw in super cups etc as well then Pep just gets even further ahead.

[adam middlemass]

I have greater admiration for Klopp, but can't see either of them sorting out our problems with crosses into the box.

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I doff my cap, sir :wink: :aok:

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s not. Their levels of success are worlds apart.

Guardiola - 2.34ppg over 873 games
Klopp - 1.86ppg over 1030 games

The difference between those numbers is nearly 20 points a season.

Guardiola - 3 Champions Leagues, 11 league titles, 10 domestic cups. A trophy every 36 games.

Klopp - 1 Champions League, 3 league titles, 3 domestic cups. A trophy every 147 games.

If you throw in super cups etc as well then Pep just gets even further ahead.

:faf:

Surely that's not what you are using. Klopp managed Mainz ffs, of course he doesn't have the same number of trophies.

[lyonhibs]

He’s not. Their levels of success are worlds apart.

Guardiola - 2.34ppg over 873 games
Klopp - 1.86ppg over 1030 games

The difference between those numbers is nearly 20 points a season.

Guardiola - 3 Champions Leagues, 11 league titles, 10 domestic cups. A trophy every 36 games.

Klopp - 1 Champions League, 3 league titles, 3 domestic cups. A trophy every 147 games.

If you throw in super cups etc as well then Pep just gets even further ahead.

That analysis is about as one dimensional as the quoted Facebook post in the OP

[Scouse Hibee]

He’s not. Their levels of success are worlds apart.

Guardiola - 2.34ppg over 873 games
Klopp - 1.86ppg over 1030 games

The difference between those numbers is nearly 20 points a season.

Guardiola - 3 Champions Leagues, 11 league titles, 10 domestic cups. A trophy every 36 games.

Klopp - 1 Champions League, 3 league titles, 3 domestic cups. A trophy every 147 games.

If you throw in super cups etc as well then Pep just gets even further ahead.

Are you the author of the post in the OP?

[Stubbsy90+2]

:faf:

Surely that's not what you are using. Klopp managed Mainz ffs, of course he doesn't have the same number of trophies.

Ok, let’s start being selective with stats to try and do Klopp a favour. (I’m not suggesting you’re asking to do that btw).

We’ll remove Mainz completely. He’s now on 1.99ppg. Still miles short of Guardiola.

He’s now on 760 games managed. He’s still on 7 trophies. That’s a trophy every 109 games. Miles worse than Guardiola.

We can go further in pursuit of helping Klopp out if we want. We’ll just remove his worst season at Liverpool where he finished 8th just because. His PPG is now 2.03. Again, still miles short of Guardiola.

So we’ve now removed his time at Mainz. We’ve wrote off his worst season league placing wise at the two big clubs he’s managed, purely to try and get him closer. He’s still 0.31ppg worse off than Guardiola, 11 points over a season.

We could write off his second worst season, we could probably even write off his third worst season. He still wouldn’t have a record that matches Guardiolas. You can literally just remove the worst parts of Klopps record, be that his time at Mainz or even just randomly remove his worst seasons at big teams and he still doesn’t match Pep or even come that close to it. You could even remove the worst of Klopp and the best of Guardiola and Guardiola would still come out ahead.

If you can remove all the bad bits of a managers record, remove the best of another managers record and he still comes out on top then yeah, they’re not even close.

[Stubbsy90+2]

That analysis is about as one dimensional as the quoted Facebook post in the OP

The originally quoted post isn’t even correct.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ok, let’s start being selective with stats to try and do Klopp a favour. (I’m not suggesting you’re asking to do that btw).

We’ll remove Mainz completely. He’s now on 1.99ppg. Still miles short of Guardiola.

He’s now on 760 games managed. He’s still on 7 trophies. That’s a trophy every 109 games. Miles worse than Guardiola.

We can go further in pursuit of helping Klopp out if we want. We’ll just remove his worst season at Liverpool where he finished 8th just because. His PPG is now 2.03. Again, still miles short of Guardiola.

So we’ve now removed his time at Mainz. We’ve wrote off his worst season league placing wise at the two big clubs he’s managed, purely to try and get him closer. He’s still 0.31ppg worse off than Guardiola, 11 points over a season.

We could write off his second worst season, we could probably even write off his third worst season. He still wouldn’t have a record that matches Guardiolas. You can literally just remove the worst parts of Klopps record, be that his time at Mainz or even just randomly remove his worst seasons at big teams and he still doesn’t match Pep or even come that close to it. You could even remove the worst of Klopp and the best of Guardiola and Guardiola would still come out ahead.

If you can remove all the bad bits of a managers record, remove the best of another managers record and he still comes out on top then yeah, they’re not even close.

If the other matches were contested on a level playing field yes. If klopp had managed the best player of all time for his first 4 years, sure. If Klopp had inherited a treble winning Bayern squad, absolutely. If he'd had unlimited resources at City for years, you'd be spot on.

Both great managers. But pep doesn't do hard times. He picks great sides and makes them better. The hardest job he ever had was Barcelona and he inherited Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Eto, Henry, Puyol and future world class players like Pique and Busquets.

It's so tiresome to compare. Totally different careers and strengths.

[lyonhibs]

If the other matches were contested on a level playing field yes. If klopp had managed the best player of all time for his first 4 years, sure. If Klopp had inherited a treble winning Bayern squad, absolutely. If he'd had unlimited resources at City for years, you'd be spot on.

Both great managers. But pep doesn't do hard times. He picks great sides and makes them better. The hardest job he ever had was Barcelona and he inherited Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Eto, Henry, Puyol and future world class players like Pique and Busquets.

It's so tiresome to compare. Totally different careers and strengths.

Indeed. Both great managers and crunching whatever numbers without accounting for context will never find a "winner" if, for some reason, one must be declared by the internet masses.

[Stubbsy90+2]

If the other matches were contested on a level playing field yes. If klopp had managed the best player of all time for his first 4 years, sure. If Klopp had inherited a treble winning Bayern squad, absolutely. If he'd had unlimited resources at City for years, you'd be spot on.

Both great managers. But pep doesn't do hard times. He picks great sides and makes them better. The hardest job he ever had was Barcelona and he inherited Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Eto, Henry, Puyol and future world class players like Pique and Busquets.

It's so tiresome to compare. Totally different careers and strengths.

So managers (and players as well presumably) can only be compared if all variables are the same (which they never, ever will be)? I dont need a level playing field to know that Lee Johnson isn’t as good a manager as Postecoglu for example.

Pep doesn’t do hard times? The fact he’s been a relentless success shouldn’t be used against him. He doesn’t do hard times as him and his teams are that damn good that they don’t fall into hard times. Using his success against him is nonsense. Should he go away and take over Crystal Palace or something so he can show he can also do hard times?

Pep took over a Barcelona side who had won the league 2 times in the previous 9 seasons. They didn’t win the league the previous 2 seasons despite having Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc. They even finished 3rd the season before he came in behind Villareal and 18 behind Real Madrid. Is that really taking over a great team?

Pep took over a Bayern side who had won the league 2 times in the previous 5 seasons. He built an incredible squad and they’ve went on to win every league title from when he arrived to now. They were arguably a great team when he came in but they were undoubtedly one when he left.

He took over a City side who had won 2 leagues in 7 seasons. They had massive budgets back then as well yet didn’t win nearly as much then as they do now. They were 4th the season before he took them over. Again, is that really taking over a great team?

Other than potentially Bayern I’m not sure it can be claimed he only ‘takes over great sides’.

Pep has hardly been taking on teams who were synonymous with winning everything. Yet once he comes in, that’s exactly what they become. Klopp hasn’t come close to replicating that.

Klopp is a cracking manager. He’s still miles short of Pep though, as is every other current manager.

And if you find it so tiresome to compare, I’m surprised you’d bother coming on and getting involved in a thread called ‘Klopp V Guardiola’. Each to their own though.

[jacomo]

Indeed. Both great managers and crunching whatever numbers without accounting for context will never find a "winner" if, for some reason, one must be declared by the internet masses.


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[NadeAteMyLunch!]

So managers (and players as well presumably) can only be compared if all variables are the same (which they never, ever will be)? I dont need a level playing field to know that Lee Johnson isn’t as good a manager as Postecoglu for example.

Pep doesn’t do hard times? The fact he’s been a relentless success shouldn’t be used against him. He doesn’t do hard times as him and his teams are that damn good that they don’t fall into hard times. Using his success against him is nonsense. Should he go away and take over Crystal Palace or something so he can show he can also do hard times?

Pep took over a Barcelona side who had won the league 2 times in the previous 9 seasons. They didn’t win the league the previous 2 seasons despite having Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc. They even finished 3rd the season before he came in behind Villareal and 18 behind Real Madrid. Is that really taking over a great team?

Pep took over a Bayern side who had won the league 2 times in the previous 5 seasons. He built an incredible squad and they’ve went on to win every league title from when he arrived to now. They were arguably a great team when he came in but they were undoubtedly one when he left.

He took over a City side who had won 2 leagues in 7 seasons. They had massive budgets back then as well yet didn’t win nearly as much then as they do now. They were 4th the season before he took them over. Again, is that really taking over a great team?

Other than potentially Bayern I’m not sure it can be claimed he only ‘takes over great sides’.

Pep has hardly been taking on teams who were synonymous with winning everything. Yet once he comes in, that’s exactly what they become. Klopp hasn’t come close to replicating that.

Klopp is a cracking manager. He’s still miles short of Pep though, as is every other current manager.

And if you find it so tiresome to compare, I’m surprised you’d bother coming on and getting involved in a thread called ‘Klopp V Guardiola’. Each to their own though.

This is like a debate I regularly have with a few pals who basically dismiss all of Pep’s achievements because he’s spent the most money. Just ignore the fact he brilliantly manages dressing rooms full of egos who all want to start every week, coaches almost every player who plays under him to become better, plays incredible football, is relentless in winning etc etc. All written off cause he spends a lot of money

[MWHIBBIES]

This is like a debate I regularly have with a few pals who basically dismiss all of Pep’s achievements because he’s spent the most money. Just ignore the fact he brilliantly manages dressing rooms full of egos who all want to start every week, coaches almost every player who plays under him to become better, plays incredible football, is relentless in winning etc etc. All written off cause he spends a lot of money

No one has written it off. But inheriting extremely good players and having very deep pockets is quite relevant. He's a great manager, one of the best ever. So is Klopp.

[WeeRussell]

Personally think they’re both proven to be excellent managers who are brilliant at getting players to perform.

I have Pep ahead as I think he’s more of a football mastermind.

The football from his Barca side is still the best I’ve ever seen.

[gbhibby]

These comparisons are useless and you need to factor in money spent, club turnover. They are both top managers but who cares who is the best one. There are many managers who would love to have the budgets these two have had at their clubs.

[ScottB]

You can spin their backgrounds either way, Guardiola’s first gig was one of the biggest jobs in world football and he managed to make them probably the best club side there’s ever been. Is that less impressive because he didn’t start out at a smaller side?

They’re both excellent managers, at very rich clubs in a very rich league,