FF Lower Consultation

[Nakedmanoncrack]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/fan-consultation-singing-section?utm_source=Maileon&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Fan+Consultation%3A+Singing+Section&utm_content=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hibernianfc.co.uk%2F article%2Ffan-consultation-singing-section

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/fan-consultation-singing-section?utm_source=Maileon&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Fan+Consultation%3A+Singing+Section&utm_content=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hibernianfc.co.uk%2F article%2Ffan-consultation-singing-section

[Mikey_1875]

Glad the club are doing this. Gives everyone a chance to have their say. I’m all for it but can understand the fans currently in the FF having concerns. Hopefully these are addressed.

[TrinityHFC]

Think the trials showed both the benefits and issues.

Yes, the singing section was louder and more obvious, but that didn’t necessarily add to the overall atmosphere. The noise they made was generally only know to them in terms of what it was. It did free up the East to get on with singing some Hibs songs.

They were also big games and they filled a central section only. I don’t think there’s any way they’d fill the whole lower.

The issue then is that although not all families turn out in full every week, those seats are pretty much sold. We all like to see the ST sales number getting higher. Well, those seats are part of it.

I don’t think it is the obvious move in terms of the overall benefit of the club that was being suggested…..

[Since90+2]

It's in motion now so I'd imagine it's happening.

About 5 years too late but good nonetheless.

[Hibs90]

It's a no brainer.

[Hibs90]

Somewhat surprisingly there's a lot of comments from those in the FF lower fully in support of it :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

I was in the south section of the main stand towards the villa fans.

I couldn't hear a thing from the north stand.

I could hear the east loud and clear for the first time in ages,so if that's going to be a benefit of putting them in the FF, I'll support it.

[Benny Brazil]

Would be good for the club to look at safe standing as part of this consultation

[Muzzy]

Can anyone access the survey? The link on the website seems to link through to buy a ticket for the consultation event on the 10th October?

[Glory Lurker]

Can anyone access the survey? The link on the website seems to link through to buy a ticket for the consultation event on the 10th October?

If you press the "polls" button under the discussion it takes you to some questions but seems pretty brief and general to be a proper survey.

[wookie70]

I was in the south section of the main stand towards the villa fans.

I couldn't hear a thing from the north stand.

I could hear the east loud and clear for the first time in ages,so if that's going to be a benefit of putting them in the FF, I'll support it.

That is my view too from a similar area of the ground. A couple of hundred singing songs that most fans don't know. The atmosphere is for their group and doesn't really make any impact on the overall atmosphere excepting the drum which is not only annoying but seems to suppress anyone else starting a more traditional song in the East. Once they moved the atmosphere improved because it was from a far larger number and because it was organic. I couldn't hear them sat directly opposite me barring the drum.

Saying that, and given the FFL fans don't seem to have much of an issue, then there isn't a any problem moving them. This time it has to be for good though and it will be interesting to see if they can grow in number to a point they actually can create an atmosphere. I doubt it myself but good luck to them.

[Squealing pig]

If you press the "polls" button under the discussion it takes you to some questions but seems pretty brief and general to be a proper survey.

I don’t have polls or can’t see it anyway

[Since452]

I was in the south section of the main stand towards the villa fans.

I couldn't hear a thing from the north stand.

I could hear the east loud and clear for the first time in ages,so if that's going to be a benefit of putting them in the FF, I'll support it.

I was in the FF upper but thought it was a strange vibe. Thought they were more interested in singing about the royal family and Lizzie being in a box than anything else. The east drowned them out at one point and don't think the guy with the megaphone was very happy. Thought they were absolutely brilliant during the Inter and Luzern games though. I'm still for it just, actually think it's a no brainer but thought it wasn't great for the Villa game.

[Muzzy]

If you press the "polls" button under the discussion it takes you to some questions but seems pretty brief and general to be a proper survey.

Thanks, I must be missing something 😂 I follow the link to the article on the website where it says click here to access the survey but just goes to e-ticketing to buy a ticket for the in person event.

Where is the poll?

[Glory Lurker]

Thanks, I must be missing something 😂 I follow the link to the article on the website where it says click here to access the survey but just goes to e-ticketing to buy a ticket for the in person event.

Where is the poll?

Have you seen the bit where folk are leaving comments? It's a button under that.

It's notable that hardly anyone leaving comments is answering the four points that Hibs have asked about!

Edit - Ah, the four questions are for FFL ST holders only.

[Frazerbob]

Thanks, I must be missing something 😂 I follow the link to the article on the website where it says click here to access the survey but just goes to e-ticketing to buy a ticket for the in person event.

Where is the poll?

Same.

[Muzzy]

Have you seen the bit where folk are leaving comments? It's a button under that.

It's notable that hardly anyone leaving comments is answering the four points that Hibs have asked about!

No, is that on Twitter/X or Hibs website?

[Hibs90]

https://hibs.socialasking.com/

Here's a link

[Muzzy]

https://hibs.socialasking.com/

Here's a link

Perfect, thanks 👍🏻

[Up-the-slope]

Would be good for the club to look at safe standing as part of this consultation


:agree: thats what would make me go there (more to the fringes than centre) not necessarily the singing

[PHeffernan]

https://hibs.socialasking.com/

Here's a link

The comments by the folk who are against it are the most amusing to read :wink:.

[JohnM1875]

It's a weird one. I thought it would have made a huge difference, and I'm sure it will against most teams. But didn't think it made a difference against Villa and most of the atmosphere came from the East.

So for the bigger games not sure how much of a difference it'll make.

All for a safe standing section though.

[Skol]

The comments by the folk who are against it are the most amusing to read :wink:.

Why is that then?

I am neither here nor there with this. I get why some want it but it’s not fair on those being moved. I don’t understand the location as it’s about the worst view you can get.

[SChibs]

It's a weird one. I thought it would have made a huge difference, and I'm sure it will against most teams. But didn't think it made a difference against Villa and most of the atmosphere came from the East.

So for the bigger games not sure how much of a difference it'll make.

All for a safe standing section though.

Bigger games should generally take care of themselves anyway. It's the other 75% of games that are the problem at ER. How often do we hear folk say a pocket of away fans in the south lower have made more noise than the home support?

[Hibs4185]

Safe standing behind the goals with the family section perhaps in the FF upper to one of the sides or west lower in the corner so they can still see the players up close?

Gives us the best of both worlds. The traditional east for some songs, block 7 for more atmosphere and the family section still in a decent place.

The behind the goals for block 7 adds to the atmosphere, looks good on TV, no brainer for me

In fact just thinking…..the east stand towards the FF is ideal for families. It’s always a quieter part of the ground and you can close off a bit of the concourse to make it a family friendly area and it has dedicated turnstiles for family only. Gives the families their own area, doesn’t inconvenience many fans and they can still get down to pitch side to see the players for autographs etc,

I’ll be taking my kid to games in 2-3 years and I’d happily sit there. If you’re paying £100 or whether for a season ticket you can’t be overly picky with the area and behind the goals is prime for full paying season tickets.

[Libby Hibby]

Would be good for the club to look at safe standing as part of this consultation

It’s a question within this consultation.

I’m all for it.

[JohnM1875]

Bigger games should generally take care of themselves anyway. It's the other 75% of games that are the problem at ER. How often do we hear folk say a pocket of away fans in the south lower have made more noise than the home support?

If the teams playing well? Hardly ever really.

Singing section has only had a handful of trials in there anyway. So I'm sure given time it'll get better and the move will make sense.

Just thought it would've made more of a difference than it did.

[Glory Lurker]

It's interesting that very few non-FFL folk adding their view on the consultation are saying they would move to the FFL. That'll be critical for the change to be a success.

[superfurryhibby]

https://hibs.socialasking.com/

Here's a link

The link works. It then asks you to log in, which I have but won't let me vote, saying not authorized.

[Hibbyradge]

It's interesting that very few non-FFL folk adding their view on the consultation are saying they would move to the FFL. That'll be critical for the change to be a success.

I go to watch football and the view from the FF Lower is the worst in the stadium. I can't imagine many people will move there.

[Carheenlea]

It's interesting that very few non-FFL folk adding their view on the consultation are saying they would move to the FFL. That'll be critical for the change to be a success.

There would need to be some advance notice of intent to purchase ST’s in FF Lower by at least 1000 if long term ST holders are to be displaced to accommodate Block 7 primarily and others who have hinted that they would be keen to relocate to FF Lower.

The last thing we want is to turn up next season and find the FF lower less busy for bread & butter fixtures than it can be at present.

Would maybe need to be an advance sale of ST’s for FF lower in say January to guarantee take up before existing residents decide whether they move within FF lower or move seats to another stand.

Needs more intentions rather than just a hundred or so of Block 7 who maybe in a couple of years as they get older kind of grow out it. The “ultras” scene will like all other youth cultures/movements peter out eventually.

[hibee]

What are they taking from the answers to this question?

“If the Singing Section was to move to the Famous Five Lower, would this make you consider moving your seat?”

Most of my friends are in the FF upper and some have answered yes as they’d consider moving to the East to be further away from Block 7 but I answered No as I thought they meant would you move to join the signing section, don’t think the question is very clear.

[CapitalGreen]

What are they taking from the answers to this question?

“If the Singing Section was to move to the Famous Five Lower, would this make you consider moving your seat?”

Most of my friends are in the FF upper and some have answered yes as they’d consider moving to the East to be further away from Block 7 but I answered No as I thought they meant would you move to join the signing section, don’t think the question is very clear.

I wouldn’t worry too much about your answers. The FFL lower is going to be a designated singing section from next season - the questionnaire is simply to allow the club to say they consulted fans before making the decision.

[hibee]

I wouldn’t worry too much about your answers. The FFL lower is going to be a designated singing section from next season - the questionnaire is simply to allow the club to say they consulted fans before making the decision.

Yes I completely agree, the way the online consultation is set out is also more likely to be completed by the younger generation who want it to go ahead, older fans won’t even take part.

[j'adorehibs]

It's interesting that very few non-FFL folk adding their view on the consultation are saying they would move to the FFL. That'll be critical for the change to be a success.

this is key, how can hibs be assured of numbers , all fair and well when a big game but if it ends up with just 30 block 7 folk v livi etc then it will prove to be a huge waste of time......they need to get commited numbers . get people to provide a yes and bank details for a season ticket for 2024/25 or something of that ilk .........so come on all you east and west standers who are for this get commiting !!!!!

[Brightside]

If they want to go there. Put them there. People saying they can’t hear them maybe need to up their own voices. That would really add to the vibe.

[Brightside]

this is key, how can hibs be assured of numbers , all fair and well when a big game but if it ends up with just 30 block 7 folk v livi etc then it will prove to be a huge waste of time......they need to get commited numbers . get people to provide a yes and bank details for a season ticket for 2024/25 or something of that ilk .........so come on all you east and west standers who are for this get commiting !!!!!

It’s empty for most games

[CapitalGreen]

this is key, how can hibs be assured of numbers , all fair and well when a big game but if it ends up with just 30 block 7 folk v livi etc then it will prove to be a huge waste of time......they need to get commited numbers . get people to provide a yes and bank details for a season ticket for 2024/25 or something of that ilk .........so come on all you east and west standers who are for this get commiting !!!!!

It’ll grow organically like it has for other teams who have created designated singing areas at their stadiums. The Green Brigade, Union Bears or Red Shed sections didn’t start with the same numbers they have now.

https://green-brigade.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/GW640H640.jpeg

Can definitely see the narrative being created from some quarters that if the section isn’t full from day dot then it’s a failure which is quite sad to see.

[nickwhibs]

I think having safe standing will have a big impact and encourage more folk to go in that section. It’s not just about block 7, it’s also about folk who want to stand and sing more at the games. As others have said, the numbers may not be there initially but will grow over time I’m sure.

[j'adorehibs]

It’ll grow organically like it has for other teams who have created designated singing areas at their stadiums. The Green Brigade, Union Bears or Red Shed sections didn’t start with the same numbers they have now.

https://green-brigade.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/GW640H640.jpeg

Can definitely see the narrative being created from some quarters that if the section isn’t full from day dot then it’s a failure which is quite sad to see.

Valid point

[Blaster]

It’ll grow organically like it has for other teams who have created designated singing areas at their stadiums. The Green Brigade, Union Bears or Red Shed sections didn’t start with the same numbers they have now.

https://green-brigade.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/GW640H640.jpeg

Can definitely see the narrative being created from some quarters that if the section isn’t full from day dot then it’s a failure which is quite sad to see.

I don’t think that’s the case but can understand if Hibs want some guarantees that at least, say 500 or so, guarantee buying a season ticket. Bearing in mind there’s already 1000 or so season ticket holders in there whether they attend or not who will mostly relocate

I hope it’s a success

[Bobo]

The link works. It then asks you to log in, which I have but won't let me vote, saying not authorized.

I've got the same issue, asked for verification email to be sent a number of times yet received nowt. Nothing in my Spam folder so who knows? 🤔

I gave up trying.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Sorry if it's already been discussed but are we looking to install rail seating?

[Chorley Hibee]

It’ll grow organically like it has for other teams who have created designated singing areas at their stadiums. The Green Brigade, Union Bears or Red Shed sections didn’t start with the same numbers they have now.

https://green-brigade.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/GW640H640.jpeg

Can definitely see the narrative being created from some quarters that if the section isn’t full from day dot then it’s a failure which is quite sad to see.

They also seem oblivious to the fact that, at present, the FF5 lower is half empty most weeks.

I expect to see the Ultras in there for the start of next season.

It'll be a bigger success, in terms of attendees, than what it currently is.

[TrinityHFC]

They also seem oblivious to the fact that, at present, the FF5 lower is half empty most weeks.

I expect to see the Ultras in there for the start of next season.

It'll be a bigger success, in terms of attendees, than what it currently is.

Pretty much in line with other parts of the stadium. Maybe a bit more because of the family tickets.

The slight but important difference though is that they are largely paid for season ticket seats. You take the chance trying to grow ticket sales in an area that currently has decent ticket sales. Different part of the ground but I kept on buying a season ticket for my daughter for years after she initially wanted to go. She has now come back and will be a supporter for the rest of her days I reckon It’s not as straightforward as often presented.

By the way, the ad placement on this site doesn’t half make it difficult to post!!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Think the trials showed both the benefits and issues.

Yes, the singing section was louder and more obvious, but that didn’t necessarily add to the overall atmosphere. The noise they made was generally only know to them in terms of what it was. It did free up the East to get on with singing some Hibs songs.

They were also big games and they filled a central section only. I don’t think there’s any way they’d fill the whole lower.

The issue then is that although not all families turn out in full every week, those seats are pretty much sold. We all like to see the ST sales number getting higher. Well, those seats are part of it.

I don’t think it is the obvious move in terms of the overall benefit of the club that was being suggested…..

So louder and more obvious, but didn't add to the atmosphere, how does that work? This isn't just a section being set aside for 'Block 7' it's a singing section where anybody who wants to be part of a more boisterous atmosphere can go ... something that should be made clear at the in person consultation events at ER. If the unforeseen consequence is that the East gets more involved, that's a win win surely.

As for not filling the whole lower deck. I don't think anybody is saying that will happen straight away, but Aberdeen come close in a stand probably slightly bigger than the FF lower. If they can do it we sure as hell can over time.

The 'home' stands at ER hold 16,000 fans, the highest number of ST sales we have ever achieved is just over 13,000. The folk who will use the FF lower are mostly ST holders in the East, so that will free up seats in that stand. Unless folk moving from the FF lower, whether voluntarily or not decide not to come back I can't see how this move would impact current or future ST sales either way to be honest. Though a ground with a bit of atmosphere rather than being deid half the time is surely a more attractive prospect tae yer average fitba fan.

If this isn't the obvious move at this point, as someone whose been going to Easter Road for the better part of half a century, most of it as a season ticket holder, I would sure as hell need someone to point out what is when it comes to improving the atmosphere, because certainly since the time the new east was built nothing else has worked to the extent we would have hoped when it comes to the bog standard games.

[Keith_M]

Still waiting on the E-Mail confirmation so I can give some feedback....


I've checked my spam folder. Nothing in there.

[hibee]

Still waiting on the E-Mail confirmation so I can give some feedback....


I've checked my spam folder. Nothing in there.

You don’t need an email, just go to the site and register.

[Keith_M]

You don’t need an email, just go to the site and register.


:aok:

[.Sean.]

I think it’s a great idea. Against Villa it was kind of like the old East, with actual Hibs songs as opposed to the nondescript Ultra chants every other club also have, so you’d have end up having the East taking care of itself and being back to normal and Block 7 get their own area they desire. Win win.

One side of West Lower for the family section for me IMO. Preferably end of the stands so the empty seats we see every week aren’t as prominent

[Keith_M]

I think it’s a great idea. Against Villa it was kind of like the old East, with actual Hibs songs as opposed to the nondescript Ultra chants every other club also have, so you’d have end up having the East taking care of itself and being back to normal and Block 7 get their own area they desire. Win win.

One side of West Lower for the family section for me IMO. Preferably end of the stands so the empty seats we see every week aren’t as prominent


Funny you should say that as I'm sure I remember reading a suggestion that the Family Section be relocated to sections 1-3 and 7-9 in the West Lower.

Not sure how many ST holders there are currently in those areas, so would obviously need some consultation with them as well.

[TrinityHFC]

So louder and more obvious, but didn't add to the atmosphere, how does that work? This isn't just a section being set aside for 'Block 7' it's a singing section where anybody who wants to be part of a more boisterous atmosphere can go ... something that should be made clear at the in person consultation events at ER. If the unforeseen consequence is that the East gets more involved, that's a win win surely.

As for not filling the whole lower deck. I don't think anybody is saying that will happen straight away, but Aberdeen come close in a stand probably slightly bigger than the FF lower. If they can do it we sure as hell can over time.

The 'home' stands at ER hold 16,000 fans, the highest number of ST sales we have ever achieved is just over 13,000. The folk who will use the FF lower are mostly ST holders in the East, so that will free up seats in that stand. Unless folk moving from the FF lower, whether voluntarily or not decide not to come back I can't see how this move would impact current or future ST sales either way to be honest. Though a ground with a bit of atmosphere rather than being deid half the time is surely a more attractive prospect tae yer average fitba fan.

If this isn't the obvious move at this point, as someone whose been going to Easter Road for the better part of half a century, most of it as a season ticket holder, I would sure as hell need someone to point out what is when it comes to improving the atmosphere, because certainly since the time the new east was built nothing else has worked to the extent we would have hoped when it comes to the bog standard games.

I think a few people have touched in it - just because they can be heard a bit more doesn't mean that is in itself an improvement in the overall atmosphere. No one else can join in with 99% of the stuff. Noise doesn't equate to atmosphere. However, with them elsewhere it did mean at times the East and other parts of the stadium could get on with some singing, albeit the Block 7 guys did try to compete against that rather than join in. I just don't see a big demand from others to join when it is centred around an ultra scene that won't really attract many more than it does now.

[CapitalGreen]

I think a few people have touched in it - just because they can be heard a bit more doesn't mean that is in itself an improvement in the overall atmosphere. No one else can join in with 99% of the stuff. Noise doesn't equate to atmosphere. However, with them elsewhere it did mean at times the East and other parts of the stadium could get on with some singing, albeit the Block 7 guys did try to compete against that rather than join in. I just don't see a big demand from others to join when it is centred around an ultra scene that won't really attract many more than it does now.

What’s this based on? The groups at Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen have grown massively since they have moved to their own designated areas. This has also been the case for many clubs south of the border too.

Why would Hibs be different in your opinion?

[TrinityHFC]

What’s this based on? The groups at Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen have grown massively since they have moved to their own designated areas. This has also been the case for many clubs south of the border too.

Why would Hibs be different in your opinion?

What are the stats for all those examples? Are we comparing things that are the same? I don’t know about those but we’ve had games recently that are about as they get for us. I don’t see the one central section that was filled turning into two or three any time soon. Maybe if it wasn’t intrinsically linked to the ‘ultras’ group that seem to be doing a fair bit to alienate other fans, but as it stands I don’t see it growing by too much more.

If there was a structural impetus like the safe standing that may be different but just moving Block 7 to those seats, just don’t see it.

[B.H.F.C]

Funny you should say that as I'm sure I remember reading a suggestion that the Family Section be relocated to sections 1-3 and 7-9 in the West Lower.

Not sure how many ST holders there are currently in those areas, so would obviously need some consultation with them as well.

No need for a family section these days. Just have the family pricing throughout and let folk sit where they want. Vast majority of seats people need to relocate to will be a better view as well.

[Irish_Steve]

I was in the FF upper but thought it was a strange vibe. Thought they were more interested in singing about the royal family and Lizzie being in a box than anything else. The east drowned them out at one point and don't think the guy with the megaphone was very happy. Thought they were absolutely brilliant during the Inter and Luzern games though. I'm still for it just, actually think it's a no brainer but thought it wasn't great for the Villa game.

My season ticket is in the FFU and I agree with the vibe. I think they would be better off singing Hibs songs instead of the ones they were singing, perhaps they were trying to annoy the Vills fans as they were English. And the boy with the megaphone needs to know how to use it lol

[blackpoolhibs]

What are the stats for all those examples? Are we comparing things that are the same? I don’t know about those but we’ve had games recently that are about as they get for us. I don’t see the one central section that was filled turning into two or three any time soon. Maybe if it wasn’t intrinsically linked to the ‘ultras’ group that seem to be doing a fair bit to alienate other fans, but as it stands I don’t see it growing by too much more.

If there was a structural impetus like the safe standing that may be different but just moving Block 7 to those seats, just don’t see it.

I've no idea of the stats, but i'd say Aberdeen's red shed has been a huge success just by looking at the crowds they get behind that goal compared to when it wasnt.

The bum cheeks would fill their seats anyway.

[Glory Lurker]

I've no idea of the stats, but i'd say Aberdeen's red shed has been a huge success just by looking at the crowds they get behind that goal compared to when it wasnt.

The bum cheeks would fill their seats anyway.

Is their average attendance up by the same amount?

Are they second bottom of the league despite the huge advantage ultras behind the goals guarantees?

:-)

[blackpoolhibs]

Is their average attendance up by the same amount?

Are they second bottom of the league despite the huge advantage ultras behind the goals guarantees?

:-)

I believe their attendances did go up, and they reached 3rd place last season with their ultras behind the goal and are playing European football until Xmas.

[McD]

My season ticket is in the FFU and I agree with the vibe. I think they would be better off singing Hibs songs instead of the ones they were singing, perhaps they were trying to annoy the Vills fans as they were English. And the boy with the megaphone needs to know how to use it lol



For the inter match, I was right above them in the FFU, no idea what they were singing most of the night, I think the gave a rendition on Turnbull’s Tornadoes but that could have been the East. Could hear the East starting songs though. Not a fan of the drum(s) at all.


For Luzerne, I was in the East at the halfway line, loads of great singing there, could barely hear block 7. The away fans were approximately the same distance away and created more organised sound and support, all imo.

[CapitalGreen]

Is their average attendance up by the same amount?

Are they second bottom of the league despite the huge advantage ultras behind the goals guarantees?

:-)

Aberdeen broke their season ticket sales record this summer and there is a waiting list for their singing section. There is also waiting lists for the singing sections at Ibrox, Parkhead and Tynecastle.

[Irish_Steve]

For the inter match, I was right above them in the FFU, no idea what they were singing most of the night, I think the gave a rendition on Turnbull’s Tornadoes but that could have been the East. Could hear the East starting songs though. Not a fan of the drum(s) at all.


For Luzerne, I was in the East at the halfway line, loads of great singing there, could barely hear block 7. The away fans were approximately the same distance away and created more organised sound and support, all imo.

As I said, I was directly above them but couldn’t work out what they were singing either nor what the “cheerleader” was shouting into the megaphone

[Since90+2]

Aberdeen broke their season ticket sales record this summer and there is a waiting list for their singing section. There is also waiting lists for the singing sections at Ibrox, Parkhead and Tynecastle.

Is Hearts singing section not about 300?

[Since452]

Aberdeen broke their season ticket sales record this summer and there is a waiting list for their singing section. There is also waiting lists for the singing sections at Ibrox, Parkhead and Tynecastle.

The Aberdeen one has been a huge success.

[Glory Lurker]

Aberdeen broke their season ticket sales record this summer and there is a waiting list for their singing section. There is also waiting lists for the singing sections at Ibrox, Parkhead and Tynecastle.

From what I can see, Aberdeen might have 10k season tickets. Is that down to increased attendance in the red shed? What was it before red shed?

Rangers and Celtic's ultras aren't right behind the goal are they? Rangers started in the corner I think?

Hearts? How did they deal with relocating however many STs there were in that single section in the Gorgie Stand?

I don't like B7, but will accept the move if the justification for it is more than just "it will be a success"

[NAE NOOKIE]

I think a few people have touched in it - just because they can be heard a bit more doesn't mean that is in itself an improvement in the overall atmosphere. No one else can join in with 99% of the stuff. Noise doesn't equate to atmosphere. However, with them elsewhere it did mean at times the East and other parts of the stadium could get on with some singing, albeit the Block 7 guys did try to compete against that rather than join in. I just don't see a big demand from others to join when it is centred around an ultra scene that won't really attract many more than it does now.

See post #54 .. cant really say better than Capital Green did.

The question is, why does it have to be centered round an 'ultras' scene? Hibs are proposing setting up a singing section in the FF lower and yes that will include the current 'ultras' but nobody is suggesting it will be exclusive to them. Basically anybody who wants to be part of it can be part of it. What, are you going to have guys with Block 7 hoodies and masks on at the turnstiles stopping folk getting in?

I just don't get the negativity. Any part of the stadium that can generate a bit of noise has to be a positive, FFS the way some folk are going on if this doesn't become the 'Yellow wall' from the first game of the 23/24 season we are gonna' have some folk going, there you are 'told you so' .. jeezo

[CapitalGreen]

See post #54 .. cant really say better than Capital Green did.

The question is, why does it have to be centered round an 'ultras' scene? Hibs are proposing setting up a singing section in the FF lower and yes that will include the current 'ultras' but nobody is suggesting it will be exclusive to them. Basically anybody who wants to be part of it can be part of it. What, are you going to have guys with Block 7 hoodies and masks on at the turnstiles stopping folk getting in?

I just don't get the negativity. Any part of the stadium that can generate a bit of noise has to be a positive, FFS the way some folk are going on if this doesn't become the 'Yellow wall' from the first game of the 23/24 season we are gonna' have some folk going, there you are 'told you so' .. jeezo

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There has been Hibs fans calling for a designated singing section/safe standing area in the FFL for a lot longer than B7 have been in existence and any designated singing section/safe standing area in the FFL will exist well beyond whenever B7 inevitably disband and are replaced by the next generation of vocal young Hibs supporters.

[CentreForward]

Is Hearts singing section not about 300?


Any time I’ve seen it on tv it’s looked like really small numbers.

[TrinityHFC]

:agree:

There has been Hibs fans calling for a designated singing section/safe standing area in the FFL for a lot longer than B7 have been in existence and any designated singing section/safe standing area in the FFL will exist well beyond whenever B7 inevitably disband and are replaced by the next generation of vocal young Hibs supporters.

Okay so there's been a build up of huge demand for years and yet we've played very big European games with it in place this year and they filled pretty much a central section of the FF. I think it is a bit of a myth that giving them a particular area will add to the numbers.

There's always a pretty finite demand to be part of the core singing area. Back in the day it was below the TV gantry, there was a few hundred that would get all the chants going - it never needed to be particularly organised.

Separating it from B7 or whatever group it happens to be is impossible. If you want to add to the numbers people have to want to be there and be part if it. The current ultra type scene is in itself a number limiting factor. It is not very inclusive really, the behaviour issues are still there, often towards their fellow fans and for a section about signing, hardly anyone know what it is they are singing and that is going to hinder wider take up too.

Safe standing might be something that would give people another reason to want to be in a different area - we will see how that goes. There are knock on impacts here though to an area that sells a lot of season tickets as it is, so there needs to be a bit more certainty than just hoping that it will be a success.

[CapitalGreen]

Okay so there's been a build up of huge demand for years and yet we've played very big European games with it in place this year and they filled pretty much a central section of the FF. I think it is a bit of a myth that giving them a particular area will add to the numbers.

I didn’t say the part in bold.


There's always a pretty finite demand to be part of the core singing area. Back in the day it was below the TV gantry, there was a few hundred that would get all the chants going - it never needed to be particularly organised.

Less season ticket holders and a laissez-faire approach to assigned seating in the old East made it easier for fans to congregate in the same area to stand and in sing.


Separating it from B7 or whatever group it happens to be is impossible. If you want to add to the numbers people have to want to be there and be part if it. The current ultra type scene is in itself a number limiting factor. It is not very inclusive really, the behaviour issues are still there, often towards their fellow fans and for a section about signing, hardly anyone know what it is they are singing and that is going to hinder wider take up too.

It’s not impossible at all. I know quite a few people who had tickets in the FFL lower for the trial matches who have absolutely nothing to do with B7 and have no interest in the ultra scene.


Safe standing might be something that would give people another reason to want to be in a different area - we will see how that goes. There are knock on impacts here though to an area that sells a lot of season tickets as it is, so there needs to be a bit more certainty than just hoping that it will be a success.

I’m not sure any amount of certainty would ever appease you as you seem pretty entrenched in your position.

[lucky]

The singing section would be a greater success if they sang Hibs songs. Most of their songs are they same as every other ultra group. I do think they are better off in the FFL

[The Modfather]

No need for a family section these days. Just have the family pricing throughout and let folk sit where they want. Vast majority of seats people need to relocate to will be a better view as well.

My daughter isn’t far off 5. She’s not shown any interest football, but if she does I might be more inclined to take her to watch Hibs ladies. Particularly if there wasn’t a designated family section. Sitting anywhere is luck of the draw as to the behaviour of those around you. It’s already a depressing prospect that derbies, old firm games and potentially Aberdeen games aren’t particularly suitable environments, IMO and speaking specifically about my daughter so others taking their young kids isn’t an issue, for young kids.

I’ve no real opinion where on where the family section should be, but I like a section where kids being kids, up and down, bored (often same as their parents), slow to get in and out of the stand isn’t a surprise or an issue to those in that section.

[Waxy]

The Aberdeen one has been a huge success.

Bah

[LeithSqualk]

Move family section (cheap st’s) to the south stand, access from the east. They don’t get hearts or ugly games. Standing section ff lower but keep their flags down until goals so as not to block view from upper tier

[LaMotta]

My daughter isn’t far off 5. She’s not shown any interest football, but if she does I might be more inclined to take her to watch Hibs ladies. Particularly if there wasn’t a designated family section. Sitting anywhere is luck of the draw as to the behaviour of those around you. It’s already a depressing prospect that derbies, old firm games and potentially Aberdeen games aren’t particularly suitable environments, IMO and speaking specifically about my daughter so others taking their young kids isn’t an issue, for young kids.

I’ve no real opinion where on where the family section should be, but I like a section where kids being kids, up and down, bored (often same as their parents), slow to get in and out of the stand isn’t a surprise or an issue to those in that section.

My daughter is 8 and she far prefers games with the visual and jumping singing section behind the goals.

Ive sat her in the West Stand with us since she was 3, and cant really see any additional benefit of being in a dedicated family section. There are already loads of kids round us too.

Some of the worst behaviour I encountered was as a youth in the family section in the FF, some awful behaviour from fans. There is simply no need for a dedicated family stand IMO.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Okay so there's been a build up of huge demand for years and yet we've played very big European games with it in place this year and they filled pretty much a central section of the FF. I think it is a bit of a myth that giving them a particular area will add to the numbers.

There's always a pretty finite demand to be part of the core singing area. Back in the day it was below the TV gantry, there was a few hundred that would get all the chants going - it never needed to be particularly organised.

Separating it from B7 or whatever group it happens to be is impossible. If you want to add to the numbers people have to want to be there and be part if it. The current ultra type scene is in itself a number limiting factor. It is not very inclusive really, the behaviour issues are still there, often towards their fellow fans and for a section about signing, hardly anyone know what it is they are singing and that is going to hinder wider take up too.

Safe standing might be something that would give people another reason to want to be in a different area - we will see how that goes. There are knock on impacts here though to an area that sells a lot of season tickets as it is, so there needs to be a bit more certainty than just hoping that it will be a success.

Is that not exactly why the club trialled this for the recent European matches, they were clearly encouraged enough by the results to move forward with the process and my guess is the players maybe had a bit of input as well vis a vis positive feedback. In the end there's nothing certain about anything new, but if that stops you trying we would probably still have the old east and a capacity of 17,500 because folk said we would never fill a 20K stadium.

[hibee-boys]

My daughter is 8 and she far prefers games with the visual and jumping singing section behind the goals.

Ive sat her in the West Stand with us since she was 3, and cant really see any additional benefit of being in a dedicated family section. There are already loads of kids round us too.

Some of the worst behaviour I encountered was as a youth in the family section in the FF, some awful behaviour from fans. There is simply no need for a dedicated family stand IMO.

I agree. We’ve got 3 seats in the East Stand and there’s families all around us, lots of younger kids. The environment in football stadiums is very different to what my generation experienced when young, and thankfully so. I just done see the need for a family section these days. There’s obviously a debate around pricing then as kids are dearer everywhere else in the stadium so a middle ground will need to be reached as we wouldn’t want to discourage the attendance of future hibees!

[LaMotta]

I agree. We’ve got 3 seats in the East Stand and there’s families all around us, lots of younger kids. The environment in football stadiums is very different to what my generation experienced when young, and thankfully so. I just done see the need for a family section these days. There’s obviously a debate around pricing then as kids are dearer everywhere else in the stadium so a middle ground will need to be reached as we wouldn’t want to discourage the attendance of future hibees!

:agree:

[LaMotta]

Also genuinely cant believe people are trying to claim they couldn't hear singing from the FF lower in the trial matches. :confused:

[B.H.F.C]

Also genuinely cant believe people are trying to claim they couldn't hear singing from the FF lower in the trial matches. :confused:

You could hear it fine and it looked better. Biggest issue is that it’s being led by Block 7 who many don’t particularly like and, due to their choice of songs, it doesn’t spread to other parts of the ground. At the European games the best noise came from the East and that was predominantly down to it being more traditional Hibs songs that more people joined in with and it not being forced by some guy on a megaphone.

They should just crack on and confirm the change. The ‘consultation’ is just a box ticking exercise.

[LaMotta]

You could hear it fine and it looked better. Biggest issue is that it’s being led by Block 7 who many don’t particularly like and, due to their choice of songs, it doesn’t spread to other parts of the ground. At the European games the best noise came from the East and that was predominantly down to it being more traditional Hibs songs that more people joined in with and it not being forced by some guy on a megaphone.

They should just crack on and confirm the change. The ‘consultation’ is just a box ticking exercise.

:agree::agree::agree:

[lyonhibs]

You could hear it fine and it looked better. Biggest issue is that it’s being led by Block 7 who many don’t particularly like and, due to their choice of songs, it doesn’t spread to other parts of the ground. At the European games the best noise came from the East and that was predominantly down to it being more traditional Hibs songs that more people joined in with and it not being forced by some guy on a megaphone.

They should just crack on and confirm the change. The ‘consultation’ is just a box ticking exercise.

This difference is the crux of the matter why I think a singing section in the FFL may fall short of people's expectations. Are there decent numbers of people that want to sing the traditional songs that everyone knows and can thus join in with going to move into it from the East or elsewhere?

If not, and the most vocal chunk of a new FFL singing section are the Block 7 Hoodie Squad with their forced "ultras culture", then I'd imagine that the situation will remain as you describe above, rendering a FFL "singing section" as a bit toothless/misguided as far as mass appeal/participation goes.

Fingers crossed it goes ahead and is as good as it could be though.

[Waxy]

Also genuinely cant believe people are trying to claim they couldn't hear singing from the FF lower in the trial matches. :confused:

I couldnt hear a thing at the Villa game because i couldnt get a ticket.

[Hibby70]

Would like to see an actual safe standing area as opposed to a "here's where we are putting block 7 this week" section.

Make it general admission so groups can congregate as they like and just limit the sales to however many it holds.

[davhibby]

Would like to see an actual safe standing area as opposed to a "here's where we are putting block 7 this week" section.

Make it general admission so groups can congregate as they like and just limit the sales to however many it holds.

This is how it needs to be done and Aberdeen’s red shed that’s worked so well for them is unreserved.

I was in the FFL for the game against the Andorrans and there were people starting arguments over people standing and things like that so we never bothered for the other two games.

[Carheenlea]

Any feedback from last nights consultation?