Channel 4 Dispatches

[cabbageandribs1875]

special tonight, apparent Russell Brand accused of Rape, sexual assaults and emotional abuse over a seven year period at the height of his fame

Dispatches tonight: Who is the Channel 4 investigation about and how to watch | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/dispatches-channel-4-comedian-tonight-watch-time-b2412761.html)

[Hibs4185]

special tonight, apparent Russell Brand accused of Rape, sexual assaults and emotional abuse over a seven year period at the height of his fame

Dispatches tonight: Who is the Channel 4 investigation about and how to watch | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/dispatches-channel-4-comedian-tonight-watch-time-b2412761.html)

My ex dragged me to see him years ago at the festival. At the end of his show, he said “I love a little bar called Tonic and my flat is above it. If anyone wants sex then first one there….”

My ex was out of there like a shot and in a taxi to Tonic. When we got there he was already upstairs with a fan.

The bar man said it was like that every night. He came in for two minutes, met a girl and disappeared upstairs.

[Pretty Boy]

special tonight, apparent Russell Brand accused of Rape, sexual assaults and emotional abuse over a seven year period at the height of his fame

Dispatches tonight: Who is the Channel 4 investigation about and how to watch | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/dispatches-channel-4-comedian-tonight-watch-time-b2412761.html)

I remember 2 or 3 years ago Fern Brady (very funny Scottish comedian for anyone who doesn't know) tweeted 'rapey wapey'. Russel Brands book was 'My Booky Wook'. I don't think there is much room for doubt as to who she was referring to there. It was part of a wider discussion and she dropped a few further hints. Tweets are all long since deleted but it suggests that this isn't something that has come out of the blue and isn't exclusively a 'mainstream media conspiracy' as Brand is claiming.

[Kato]

They've changed the listings on the show to include his name. Didn't have that last night.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

wonder who will be the first to ask Katy Perry for her views(again), married for 14 months then he told her via text he was filing for divorce


https://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/502580/look-back-at-katy-perry-and-russell-brands-short-lived-marriage/



i didn't realise he is married to Bernard Gallacher's daughter Laura, i also didn't even realise Bernard Gallacher had another Daughter, i didn't even realise Kirsty Gallacher had a sister :lips seal

[bringbackbenny]

Full Times article

https://archive.ph/5lhOB

[Pretty Boy]

Full Times article

https://archive.ph/5lhOB

Good to see Daniel Sloss speak out and put his name out there as well. He's a great ally for women when it comes to inappropriate behaviour by men and he's once again shown the courage of his convictions here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I could have put money on this from the first time I ever seen him. He’s always seemed like this generations Jimmy Saville.

****ing weird prick.

[Hibrandenburg]

I could have put money on this from the first time I ever seen him. He’s always seemed like this generations Jimmy Saville.

****ing weird prick.

Would be weird, it not like he HAD to force himself upon women.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm intrigued as to why all the GBNews and associated extreme right grifters are so vocal in their support of Brand. The cosplaying fake priest, Fox, Martyn Branning (sorry Dan Wootton), Bev Turner, Adam Brooks..... I suppose it's the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend. What a crew to have on your side though.

Meanwhile here's Brand's ex wife in 2013:

'I felt a lot of responsibility for it ending but then I found out the real truth, which I can’t necessarily disclose because I keep it locked in my safe for a rainy day. I let go and I was like: This isn’t because of me; this is beyond me.'

[cabbageandribs1875]

his agency has terminated all ties with him


meanwhile at his wembley gig tonight he's greeted with cheers, what a hero, to some

[AgentDaleCooper]

makes me suspect his recent pandering to the alt-right may have been a farsighted 'branding', as it were, to appeal to an audience that might be more sympathetic when these allegations came out.

[Ozyhibby]

makes me suspect his recent pandering to the alt-right may have been a farsighted 'branding', as it were, to appeal to an audience that might be more sympathetic when these allegations came out.

That sort of stuff is just so lucrative that he likely couldn’t ignore it. He’s probably making more from it than from TV work.


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[Stairway 2 7]

That sort of stuff is just so lucrative that he likely couldn’t ignore it. He’s probably making more from it than from TV work.


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Made 2 million from streaming platform Rumble last year apparently, add in YouTube, twitter, his website. Lots of money in grifting

[Lendo]

makes me suspect his recent pandering to the alt-right may have been a farsighted 'branding', as it were, to appeal to an audience that might be more sympathetic when these allegations came out.

He’ll have his own GB News show by the end of next week.

[neil7908]

I could have put money on this from the first time I ever seen him. He’s always seemed like this generations Jimmy Saville.

****ing weird prick.

Yup. Absolutely never got his appeal. This is possibly the least surprising news of all time.

One of these guys that I could never understand why women were attracted to him or why he got any media work.

[Jones28]

The cabals that love the likes of Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk are already closing ranks to defend Brand.

I caught some of the despatches last night and it made for harrowing viewing.

[easty]

I'm intrigued as to why all the GBNews and associated extreme right grifters are so vocal in their support of Brand. The cosplaying fake priest, Fox, Martyn Branning (sorry Dan Wootton), Bev Turner, Adam Brooks..... I suppose it's the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend. What a crew to have on your side though.

They’re a weird breed. They have a huge following though, who eat up the bike they spew…I don’t understand the mindset of the seemingly normal people who follow and buy into their *****.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm intrigued as to why all the GBNews and associated extreme right grifters are so vocal in their support of Brand. The cosplaying fake priest, Fox, Martyn Branning (sorry Dan Wootton), Bev Turner, Adam Brooks..... I suppose it's the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend. What a crew to have on your side though.

Meanwhile here's Brand's ex wife in 2013:

'I felt a lot of responsibility for it ending but then I found out the real truth, which I can’t necessarily disclose because I keep it locked in my safe for a rainy day. I let go and I was like: This isn’t because of me; this is beyond me.'

I'm guessing they'll go with a conspiracy theory along the lines of him speaking out against MSM, pharmaceutical companies, covid and the establishment and now being targeted for a takedown by those very people.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm guessing they'll go with a conspiracy theory along the lines of him speaking out against MSM, pharmaceutical companies, covid and the establishment and now being targeted for a takedown by those very people.

I didn't actually realise Brand had gone full alt right. Last time I paid any attention to him he seemed to have become a bit of a leftie, I'm sure I remember him endorsing Corbyn in 2017 and 19.

I suppose in some regards those on the extreme right and extreme left aren't all that far apart in terms of their distrust of authority/the establishment and suspicion around the motives of the media among other similarities so the jump isn't as big as it first appears.

[Jones28]

I didn't actually realise Brand had gone full alt right. Last time I paid any attention to him he seemed to have become a bit of a leftie, I'm sure I remember him endorsing Corbyn in 2017 and 19.

I suppose in some regards those on the extreme right and extreme left aren't all that far apart in terms of their distrust of authority/the establishment and suspicion around the motives of the media among other similarities so the jump isn't as big as it first appears.

Interesting interview here with George Monbiot on Brands rebrand

https://youtu.be/IwdKm2goN3Q?si=ulTYCsuquJA48zbO

[lapsedhibee]

Interesting interview here with George Monbiot on Brands rebrand

https://youtu.be/IwdKm2goN3Q?si=ulTYCsuquJA48zbO

That's an excellent twelve minutes from Monbiot.

[Pretty Boy]

Interesting interview here with George Monbiot on Brands rebrand

https://youtu.be/IwdKm2goN3Q?si=ulTYCsuquJA48zbO

Cheers for that.

An interesting watch for sure.

[marinello59]

I didn't actually realise Brand had gone full alt right. Last time I paid any attention to him he seemed to have become a bit of a leftie, I'm sure I remember him endorsing Corbyn in 2017 and 19.

I suppose in some regards those on the extreme right and extreme left aren't all that far apart in terms of their distrust of authority/the establishment and suspicion around the motives of the media among other similarities so the jump isn't as big as it first appears.

Brand adopts any role that will win him approval. He was getting huge plaudits on here when he was seen as some sort of one man unofficial opposition . None of what he said ever sounded heartfelt, more like the sound of a man in love with his own voice.

[stokesmessiah]

I haven’t actually seen the programme yet. I am not a Russell brand fan in any way shape or form, was there inconclusive proof or something that I have missed though?

I see James Cleverley on TV this morning saying the entertainment industry has big questions to answer in regards to Brand. I also saw a woman’s charity that helps victims of SA post on TikTok to say that basically if you defend him in any way you are a r**e apologist.

Has trial by TV and social media just been accepted as enough these days?

For the record it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true, always thought he was a bit of a tool….but at the moment it is accusations

[Kato]

Just like Jimmy Savile is still only accusations.

Weinstein started of as accusations.

Loads of rape victims go to the police and aren't taken seriously. It's clear accusations against Brand were made and either hid or cast aside. Maybe he'll get taken to trial and we'll find out but the state of play is the justice system isn't always the way to go and sometimes making accusations is the only way to go. Every trial and arrest starts with an accusation (unless there is an out of the blue confession.)

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[Jones28]

I haven’t actually seen the programme yet. I am not a Russell brand fan in any way shape or form, was there inconclusive proof or something that I have missed though?

I see James Cleverley on TV this morning saying the entertainment industry has big questions to answer in regards to Brand. I also saw a woman’s charity that helps victims of SA post on TikTok to say that basically if you defend him in any way you are a r**e apologist.

Has trial by TV and social media just been accepted as enough these days?

For the record it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true, always thought he was a bit of a tool….but at the moment it is accusations

I think the witness testimony in Despatches was so harrowing that it’s little wonder some people are attacking brand.

I don’t know what to think. Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our judicial system, but it’s hard to hear what he’s being accused of without feeling any sort of bias against him. The detail and the way the documentary was put together us really startling, and it feels like a “hiding in plain sight” sort of scenario.

Watch the show and come to your own conclusions.

[Stairway 2 7]

I haven’t actually seen the programme yet. I am not a Russell brand fan in any way shape or form, was there inconclusive proof or something that I have missed though?

I see James Cleverley on TV this morning saying the entertainment industry has big questions to answer in regards to Brand. I also saw a woman’s charity that helps victims of SA post on TikTok to say that basically if you defend him in any way you are a r**e apologist.

Has trial by TV and social media just been accepted as enough these days?

For the record it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true, always thought he was a bit of a tool….but at the moment it is accusations
Your first sentence is probably the most important. I almost couldn't watch as it gave me the boak

[Stairway 2 7]

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal term, it doesn't mean don't form an opinion. If you seen someone murder someone your free to have an opinion but legal of course they aren't guilty until after a trial.

As others have said Savile would be innocent by all otherwise as he wasn't convicted

[Kato]

I see James Cleverley on TV this morning saying the entertainment industry has big questions to answer in regards to Brand.

Rich given the culture he works in.


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[grunt]

I see James Cleverley on TV this morning saying the entertainment industry has big questions to answer in regards to Brand.
Funny how he can manage to have a view about Brand but claim not to be able to comment on Susan Hall's support of fascists because he "doesn't know the context". He's a lying Tory liar, so I guess we should expect him to lie.

[grunt]

Has trial by TV and social media just been accepted as enough these days?


Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our judicial system, but it’s hard to hear what he’s being accused of without feeling any sort of bias against him.As s27 says, "innocent until proven guilty" is a legal term. But we all make judgements every day, based on what we see and hear, and on our own personal moral viewpoints. Yesterday I decided against sitting next to someone on the bus based simply on not liking the look of the guy.


Watch the show and come to your own conclusions.Good advice IMO.

[weecounty hibby]

Brand has always made me feel uncomfortable anytime I've seen him on TV. This is news is not in the least bit surprising.

[Jones28]

Brand has always made me feel uncomfortable anytime I've seen him on TV. This is news is not in the least bit surprising.

His back combed hair was enough for me.

[Kato]

His back combed hair was enough for me.What the ******* hell was that?

I can only guess that Camden/Amy Winhouse scene threw up all sorts of questionable choices. It suited her and her shtick but that abomination, and he sported it for years. Didn't he have any pals who said, "mate, the barnet."

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[Stairway 2 7]

What the ******* hell was that?

I can only guess that Camden/Amy Winhouse scene threw up all sorts of questionable choices. It suited her and her shtick but that abomination, and he sported it for years. Didn't he have any pals who said, "mate, the barnet."

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He was mates with back combed people like Noel Fielding who shacked up with Peaches Geldof when she was 16 and he was 34.

[Kato]

He was mates with back combed people like Noel Fielding who shacked up with Peaches Geldof when she was 16 and he was 34.He'll be Noel Naemates now.

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[speedy_gonzales]

He was mates with back combed people like Noel Fielding who shacked up with Peaches Geldof when she was 16 and he was 34.

For the record, it was Pixie Geldof, but yeah, ill behaviour all the same!

[Pretty Boy]

Brand has always made me feel uncomfortable anytime I've seen him on TV. This is news is not in the least bit surprising.

A decent chunk of his comedy was heavy innuendo about how he manipulated and coerced women into having sex with him. There was context of course so it's hardly definitive proof he is a wrong 'un but it's a wee bit uncomfortable thinking about it now.

[Jones28]

What the ******* hell was that?

I can only guess that Camden/Amy Winhouse scene threw up all sorts of questionable choices. It suited her and her shtick but that abomination, and he sported it for years. Didn't he have any pals who said, "mate, the barnet."

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Probably not, would you want to cut about with somebody who had hair like that? 😂

[Keith_M]

A decent chunk of his comedy was heavy innuendo about how he manipulated and coerced women into having sex with him. There was context of course so it's hardly definitive proof he is a wrong 'un but it's a wee bit uncomfortable thinking about it now.


Sorry, but even without the current 'revelations', I'm confused as to how people didn't already find that disturbing?

:confused:


Maybe I'd be just described as an old prude, but I find absolutely nothing funny about sexual abuse or sexual manipulation.... no matter how 'edgy' or 'cool' the comedian.

[weecounty hibby]

Sorry, but even without the current 'revelations', I'm confused as to how people didn't already find that disturbing?

:confused:


Maybe I'd be just described as an old prude, but I find absolutely nothing funny about sexual abuse or sexual manipulation.... no matter how 'edgy' or 'cool' the comedian.

Exactly. He was unfunny and rhe subjects he chose to try to make funny should have been a huge red flag. As I said earlier, every time I saw him he made me feel uncomfortable. It was like it was a game to him, see what he can get away with and push and push the boundaries. The Andrew Sachs and Jimmy Saville stuff was a disgrace. And done when EVERYONE at the BBC and beyond in entertainment knew exactly what Saville was

[Kato]

Probably not, would you want to cut about with somebody who had hair like that? [emoji23]After giving it zero thought, no.

Maybe when someone outlandish appears, speaks persistently in double entendres and has a surface, cheeky charm but a really freaky hairdo people are entranced.

https://terryburridge.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/jimmysavilesentthiscardin1966tosylviapontin1.jpg

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[Pretty Boy]

Sorry, but even without the current 'revelations', I'm confused as to how people didn't already find that disturbing?

:confused:


Maybe I'd be just described as an old prude, but I find absolutely nothing funny about sexual abuse or sexual manipulation.... no matter how 'edgy' or 'cool' the comedian.

I think talking about his 'Mr Tinky Winky' and such like probably distracted from the darker stuff.

Sometimes people just don't see what is right in front of them. I never much liked Brand and I'd certainly seen reference to some dodgy behaviour from female comedians on Twitter and indeed in their material but I'm still a bit surprised at the depravity of the allegations against him. I always find it odd that no one suspected Saville in the 70s, watching him for 2 seconds even before the truth came out and I thought he was dodgy as. That provokes a strong reaction from people around at the time though and it's very much how could we know, he was eccentric but an institution etc etc. I suppose it's not that uncommon for sexual predators to hide in plain sight, they arguably need a degree of charm and plausibility to get away with it for so long.

[Stairway 2 7]

The Times only go after anti establishment people.. Or tories friends of Thatcher, Mp's and lawyers. A report from the times today, how many of Thatchers friends were beasts

https://archive.ph/sKuAU

[Kato]

The Times only go after anti establishment people.. Or tories friends of Thatcher, Mp's and lawyers. A report from the times today, how many of Thatchers friends were beasts

https://archive.ph/sKuAUIf ever there was someone sus it was "Nicky", a vicious, verbose, uncaring psycho - and that's just his politics. The Henderson content is abysmally sad, the aura of what went down there was all around the old town in the 80s/90s - rumours/stories of posh predators after youngsters. Brutal.

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[Kato]

Just noticed Fairbairn had an affair with Esther Rantzen, who said she heard all the rumours about Savile but never spoke out and was shocked when the truth eventually came out about him, as with Fairbairn.

She was also involved with Childline which had several, unfounded so far, conspiracy theories around it along with the murder of Jill Dando. Who is said to have uncovered the true purpose of childline, which was to weed out those who accusing protected people, all allegedly mind you.

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[overdrive]

Some of the GB News stuff regarding Brand might be coming from, in part as they also have previous for defending guys like this, the fact that they used to employ his sister-in-law who seems to be supporting him.

[marinello59]

Some of the GB News stuff regarding Brand might be coming from, in part as they also have previous for defending guys like this, the fact that they used to employ his sister-in-law who seems to be supporting him.

His anti- mainstream media views are not that far removed from a lot posted on the BBC bias thread. It’s not a left wing right wing thing, it’s an inability of so many to tolerate an alternative view to their own. If the news ain’t reflecting their every belief then it is biased. (See Trump) Remember how many decided that Salmond was the victim of a Unionist plot even when the evidence emerged of his inherently sleazy nature. Brand’s supporters attempt at a conspiracy theory explanation comes from the same play book.
The problem here is not the media, that just serves as a distraction from those women who are victimised by badly behaved men in a position of owner. They will all but be forgotten as this progresses and just like the women in the Salmond case will be dismissed by a large number as troublemaking witches. There are still some who will defend Salmond on the grounds of his behaviour passing the criminal test even though it was clearly a disgraceful abuse of power. And let’s be in no doubt, there are men like Salmond and Brand in the upper echelons of every political party, organisation and industry in the country. Men still hold the upper hand , let’s hope this case goes a little bit further towards correcting that imbalance.

[Ozyhibby]

His anti- mainstream media views are not that far removed from a lot posted on the BBC bias thread. It’s not a left wing right wing thing, it’s an inability of so many to tolerate an alternative view to their own. If the news ain’t reflecting their every belief then it is biased. (See Trump) Remember how many decided that Salmond was the victim of a Unionist plot even when the evidence emerged of his inherently sleazy nature. Brand’s supporters attempt at a conspiracy theory explanation comes from the same play book.
The problem here is not the media, that just serves as a distraction from those women who are victimised by badly behaved men in a position of owner. They will all but be forgotten as this progresses and just like the women in the Salmond case will be dismissed by a large number as troublemaking witches. There are still some who will defend Salmond on the grounds of his behaviour passing the criminal test even though it was clearly a disgraceful abuse of power. And let’s be in no doubt, there are men like Salmond and Brand in the upper echelons of every political party, organisation and industry in the country. Men still hold the upper hand , let’s hope this case goes a little bit further towards correcting that imbalance.

The BBC can be biased and Salmond, Brand etc can be sex pests. Remember, the BBC employed Brand.


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[Jay]

I'm going to go a little bit against the grain here. Somethings just not sitting right. I have no doubt he behaved in the way described, he hid in plain sight really. He openly 'joked' about his treatment of women. Its the women who I either don't think are being represented well or some of the stuff being said is questionable. Now I'm not saying they deserved what happened by any means, no means no 100% of the time . But in most of the cases I saw the women knew his behaviour, knew his persona, saw the TV shows , watched him pick women up and treat them badly, slept with him consenusally and remained friends with him, knew women were given radios to carry when alone with him and still chose to be around him, still chose to go and see him alone . He's not someone I'd have wanted to sit next to on a bus far less be alone with. Somethings just not clicking into place for me , it could be we are being given a very slanted version of things. I don't know.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm going to go a little bit against the grain here. Somethings just not sitting right. I have no doubt he behaved in the way described, he hid in plain sight really. He openly 'joked' about his treatment of women. Its the women who I either don't think are being represented well or some of the stuff being said is questionable. Now I'm not saying they deserved what happened by any means, no means no 100% of the time . But in most of the cases I saw the women knew his behaviour, knew his persona, saw the TV shows , watched him pick women up and treat them badly, slept with him consenusally and remained friends with him, knew women were given radios to carry when alone with him and still chose to be around him, still chose to go and see him alone . He's not someone I'd have wanted to sit next to on a bus far less be alone with. Somethings just not clicking into place for me , it could be we are being given a very slanted version of things. I don't know.

One said he forced his x down her throat as she was saying no, he didn't stop when she pushed him so had to punch him. She was 16 but should have known better than to be alone with the top swordsman?

[Stairway 2 7]

Here's brand phoning Jimmy Savile, what are the two of them like with their bands

https://twitter.com/BruceLe53509778/status/1703566339120504980

[Ozyhibby]

One said he forced his x down her throat as she was saying no, he didn't stop when she pushed him so had to punch him. She was 16 but should have known better than to be alone with the top swordsman?

Bet she was wearing a short skirt as well.[emoji849]


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[Jay]

One said he forced his x down her throat as she was saying no, he didn't stop when she pushed him so had to punch him. She was 16 but should have known better than to be alone with the top swordsman?

Thats not what I'm saying. The 16 year old was different. I knew my words wouldn't come across right. I'm not saying they deserved it at all. I'm saying something missing for me and it's possible it's the way the programme was made to prove his guilt.

[Jay]

Bet she was wearing a short skirt as well.[emoji849]


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100% not what I said . I said no mean no 100% of the time. I said I believe he did it. Please dont turn it into something I didn't say

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1703783426153677068?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

First complaint. There will be others.


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[Hibrandenburg]

100% not what I said . I said no mean no 100% of the time. I said I believe he did it. Please dont turn it into something I didn't say

I get what you're saying, there's no doubt that Brand is a creepy ****bag, but the Dispatches show seemed to concentrate on his creepy but legal behaviour rather than his criminal behaviour. I guess they were just painting a picture to the audience of a creep that is capable of doing the things he's been accused of.

[Stairway 2 7]

I get what you're saying, there's no doubt that Brand is a creepy ****bag, but the Dispatches show seemed to concentrate on his creepy but legal behaviour rather than his criminal behaviour. I guess they were just painting a picture to the audience of a creep that is capable of doing the things he's been accused of.

I think it's to more point a finger at the bbc and Channel 4 themselves. Why did we allow this, his call to Savile saying he can tell his assistant to turn up naked, his constant banter that he will snog people if they aren't careful, his being in his pants a number of times on his radio show and asking guests to do the same, calling up Sachs and saying he's sleeping with his granddaughter, the sun giving him top ****ger award.

00s was brutal to be a girl the lads and "swordsman" could say what they wanted with a cheeky smile. How did bbc and Channel 4 allow that patter and that's without the rape accusations

[Jay]

I get what you're saying, there's no doubt that Brand is a creepy ****bag, but the Dispatches show seemed to concentrate on his creepy but legal behaviour rather than his criminal behaviour. I guess they were just painting a picture to the audience of a creep that is capable of doing the things he's been accused of.


Yes possibly. I think what I'm trying to say (badly) is that the woman would have 'known better' for want of a better phrase , so what's missing, why were they still in that position? Power? Employment? Drugs? Obviously yet again I'm excluding the 16 year old and probably many more. There's something still to come out. The women's stories didn't seem complete to me. Anyway I'll bow out for now

[cabbageandribs1875]

only just finished watching the first hour of that Dispatches, if watching clips of his 'comedy' sketches is what qualifies for 'entertainment' nowayears then Cleverley is absolutely spot on in saying the entertainment industry has questions to answer, and he's a foreign secretary, all Brand seemed to 'joke' about was BJ's and mascara running and WOMEN in audiences were finding that funny ffs, there's a sketch from that daft 'BIG BROTHER' and he goes to sit on some female with his trousers partly pulled down & she's p@ssing herself laughing, seriously WTF is funny about that and why does the 'entertainment' industry encourage that type of behaviour, i was reading the other day that ITV(i think) were going to bring that utter shy*e back again, of course it will have to have the 'shock' factor TV companies demand, we will read in media headlines things like 'blah and blah have sex but they were caught on CCTV' oooh aaah and some of the public will go ga ga and make sure they're sitting down in time to watch it on the tellybox, ffs Love Island/'real' housewife's and all the other crap 'reality' tv nonsense, THIS is entertainment, seriously.

then watching that clip of Brand and Saville, my goodness BBC :bitchy:

[Northernhibee]

Very interesting statement on Kai Humphries social media pages.

[Ozyhibby]

Very interesting statement on Kai Humphries social media pages.

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He's best mates with Daniel Sloss who spoke on the show.

Good to see those in the industry speaking up.

[Ozyhibby]

YouTube have taken his monetisation off his channel. [emoji106]


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[Hibby70]

He's best mates with Daniel Sloss who spoke on the show.

Good to see those in the industry speaking up.

I got an email the following day advertising tickets for Sloss's upcoming tour. I don't trust anyone any more 😂

[Pretty Boy]

I actually agree with Andrew Neil in what he says in the link below:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1703716688196186140

However I can't help but question if there is a lack of self awareness on his part given his decision to join GBNews and be something of a figurehead at it's launch. He went some way to legitimising alternative media and helping some of the extreme views it espouses reach a more mainstream audience. I don't much like him but there is little doubt he is very good at his job, his Channel 4 show is worth watching, and even in the brief period he was there he lent a degree of gravitas to GBN and gave idiots like Darren Grimes and Sophie Corcoran more of a voice than they should ever have had.

[Kato]

I actually agree with Andrew Neil in what he says in the link below:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1703716688196186140

However I can't help but question if there is a lack of self awareness on his part given his decision to join GBNews and be something of a figurehead at it's launch. He went some way to legitimising alternative media and helping some of the extreme views it espouses reach a more mainstream audience. I don't much like him but there is little doubt he is very good at his job, his Channel 4 show is worth watching, and even in the brief period he was there he lent a degree of gravitas to GBN and gave idiots like Darren Grimes and Sophie Corcoran more of a voice than they should ever have had.Well it's not that type of bad journalism he means, only that other type of bad journalism. Bad journalism which suits him is OK.

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[Speedy]

I got an email the following day advertising tickets for Sloss's upcoming tour. I don't trust anyone any more 😂

I didnt want to suggest self-interest, thought I'd give him/them the benefit of the doubt. But aye, doesn't surprise me.

[Lendo]

I actually agree with Andrew Neil in what he says in the link below:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1703716688196186140

However I can't help but question if there is a lack of self awareness on his part given his decision to join GBNews and be something of a figurehead at it's launch. He went some way to legitimising alternative media and helping some of the extreme views it espouses reach a more mainstream audience. I don't much like him but there is little doubt he is very good at his job, his Channel 4 show is worth watching, and even in the brief period he was there he lent a degree of gravitas to GBN and gave idiots like Darren Grimes and Sophie Corcoran more of a voice than they should ever have had.

Wasn’t Andrew Neil actually involved in setting up and establishing GB News? I’m sure his involvement was more than just being a presenter.

[grunt]

Wasn’t Andrew Neil actually involved in setting up and establishing GB News? I’m sure his involvement was more than just being a presenter.
He was briefly Chairman of GB News.


Neil later called his decision to lead the channel the "single biggest mistake" of his career, comparing the channel to Fox News (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News).

[degenerated]

Wasn’t Andrew Neil actually involved in setting up and establishing GB News? I’m sure his involvement was more than just being a presenter.He recruited half the plums that present on it.

[Hibs Class]

Good article (as usual) by Marina Hyde today, including reflecting on how the Sachs incident was reported at the time with a focus on slut-shaming Sachs' grand-daughter and hoping that, this time, potential victims are treated as exactly that...victims

The brave victims of Russell Brand’s misogyny deserve full support. This time, let’s get it right | Marina Hyde | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/19/brave-victims-russell-brand-misogyny-deserve-full-support)

[Pretty Boy]

Good article (as usual) by Marina Hyde today, including reflecting on how the Sachs incident was reported at the time with a focus on slut-shaming Sachs' grand-daughter and hoping that, this time, potential victims are treated as exactly that...victims

The brave victims of Russell Brand’s misogyny deserve full support. This time, let’s get it right | Marina Hyde | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/19/brave-victims-russell-brand-misogyny-deserve-full-support)

It's quite sobering to read the impact that incident had. I remember being critical of Brand and Ross at the time but the focus of my criticism was very much on 'how could they do that to a poor old man'; Georgina Baillie was very much an afterthought. A spiral into addiction, family estrangement and what appears to be a complete breakdown is a hell of a price to pay for a 'joke', even more so when you weren't really considered a victim by the contemporary media and public.

The article is all the better for the fact that Hyde reflects on her own failings, she's an excellent columnist and that piece only highlights that further.

[McD]

It's quite sobering to read the impact that incident had. I remember being critical of Brand and Ross at the time but the focus of my criticism was very much on 'how could they do that to a poor old man'; Georgina Baillie was very much an afterthought. A spiral into addiction, family estrangement and what appears to be a complete breakdown is a hell of a price to pay for a 'joke', even more so when you weren't really considered a victim by the contemporary media and public.

The article is all the better for the fact that Hyde reflects on her own failings, she's an excellent columnist and that piece only highlights that further.



I agree, at the time the sympathy was very much with Sachs, Baillie wasn’t even considered.

Hyde’s article is made all the more powerful by her repeatedly recognising her own failings

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/376880101_322101997003679_7627206958181749792_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=MjcUZg-47GsAX_IrHE-&_nc_oc=AQk_SbRefAQnylJ02fiTXHMGZevDMfu_Moo_WceG_5o nUR_VOFZEbGc7Ch03sOvLtBM&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfDldpLhDD8SSL9EyDmNux6N-FvAMK_zOrDt0qBWfLpRRg&oe=650F61FA

that's some list of rather unlikeable individuals

[Keith_M]

Yes possibly. I think what I'm trying to say (badly) is that the woman would have 'known better' for want of a better phrase , so what's missing, why were they still in that position? Power? Employment? Drugs? Obviously yet again I'm excluding the 16 year old and probably many more. There's something still to come out. The women's stories didn't seem complete to me. Anyway I'll bow out for now


It's always important to raise questions about these sorts of stories. It doesn't necessarily mean you are in any way condoning or excusing bad behaviour.

Sometimes it can be a question like 'but why now?', and the answer could be because the the victims had no confidence they would be listened to, because of the power and influence of the perpetrators, but now that it is in the public eye, they feel a bit more confident about coming forward.

Sadly, there can sometimes be people that just want the publicity and are cashing in on the story, but that doesn't take anything away from the genuine victims of such awful behaviour.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's always important to raise questions about these sorts of stories. It doesn't necessarily mean you are in any way condoning or excusing bad behaviour.

Sometimes it can be a question like 'but why now?', and the answer could be because the the victims had no confidence they would be listened to, because of the power and influence of the perpetrators, but now that it is in the public eye, they feel a bit more confident about coming forward.

Sadly, there can sometimes be people that just want the publicity and are cashing in on the story, but that doesn't take anything away from the genuine victims of such awful behaviour.

There's statically more chance of a man being raped than being falsely accused of rape, its a tiny percentage for both to be fair. False accusations get a huge amount of press for some reason.

[Scorrie]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/376880101_322101997003679_7627206958181749792_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=MjcUZg-47GsAX_IrHE-&_nc_oc=AQk_SbRefAQnylJ02fiTXHMGZevDMfu_Moo_WceG_5o nUR_VOFZEbGc7Ch03sOvLtBM&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfDldpLhDD8SSL9EyDmNux6N-FvAMK_zOrDt0qBWfLpRRg&oe=650F61FA

that's some list of rather unlikeable individuals

Jeezo that’s quite a list. What is it with Neil Oliver by the way? He’s turned into a total wing nut

[overdrive]

Would a celebrity woman groping a normal guy’s arse without his permission be a bit dodge? What would the implications be if it was someone very vocal about Russell Brand doing just that be?

[Pretty Boy]

Brand now charged with rape.

It's always the ones you least expect. No doubt another who will claim he is being silenced because of his political views. The right wing grifters don't like it when the law is applied to their own.

[Bridge hibs]

Brand now charged with rape.

It's always the ones you least expect. No doubt another who will claim he is being silenced because of his political views. The right wing grifters don't like it when the law is applied to their own.I think there must be hundreds if not more “famous” folk out there who are sexual predators but are being protected because of their status and even if something is leaked theres an iron curtain protecting them, often the same that have committed the same or similar.

Jimmy Saville one of whom I met (but didnt sit on his knee) on a couple of the Edinburgh charity walks.

Rolf Harris another, “ do you know what it is yet” I loved watching him as a kid and was gutted to find out he was a kiddy fiddler.

John Leslie who I had the displeasure of being in his company a couple of times after his career was ruined, a ****ing arrogant prick.

Gary Glitter

Its a scary list and a lot of those are who I loved as a kid growing up and in later life just didnt want to believe it.

Russell Brand I dislike anyway and always seen him as a bit of a slease, cant believe he humped Katie Perry 😳

Michael Barrymore is the one who I think got away with murder and as mentioned above I think he was well shielded, I think he knew what happened to the lad Lubek and I think he was involved, thats my opinion anyway.

[cabbageandribs1875]

and he just found God as well not long ago (4) Syrian Girl on X: "Please correct me if I’m wrong on this time line, Russel brand was pro-Palestine, then he was accused of rape, did a 180 and became a Zionist praying with Jordan Peterson in his joker suit. Is that about right? https://t.co/FzBdlsgEXd" / X (https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1840778173661024317)

[matty_f]

and he just found God as well not long ago (4) Syrian Girl on X: "Please correct me if I’m wrong on this time line, Russel brand was pro-Palestine, then he was accused of rape, did a 180 and became a Zionist praying with Jordan Peterson in his joker suit. Is that about right? https://t.co/FzBdlsgEXd" / X (https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1840778173661024317)

He’s an absolute grifter, like Peterson.

[Pretty Boy]

He’s an absolute grifter, like Peterson.

I often wonder what the price is for these guys to abandon any principles they might have had just to spout utter bollocks.

Brand was one who was a bit of a darling of the bourgeois left a few years back. He has his column in the Guardian and the reformed junkie schtick seemed to go down well with a certain clientele. A bit like Joey Barton who I mentioned on another thread; he posted his philosophy quotes and walked round a couple of art galleries and the Observer had practically canonised him.

Now both trot out the right wing tropes, paint themselves as anti establishment but just on the other side now and the people who used to like them pretend they never did and the people who used to hate them laud them for 'seeing the light'. You wonder if they ever believed the stuff they used to say or if it was just to please their paymasters at that time and now that stream has run dry they are saying the opposite because it's lucrative right now. I really don't know if it would be worse if Brand was saying what he is now because he really believes it or if he was only saying it for the money. Both despicable really so maybe it doesn't really matter.

[matty_f]

I often wonder what the price is for these guys to abandon any principles they might have had just to spout utter bollocks.

Brand was one who was a bit of a darling of the bourgeois left a few years back. He has his column in the Guardian and the reformed junkie schtick seemed to go down well with a certain clientele. A bit like Joey Barton who I mentioned on another thread; he posted his philosophy quotes and walked round a couple of art galleries and the Observer had practically canonised him.

Now both trot out the right wing tropes, paint themselves as anti establishment but just on the other side now and the people who used to like them pretend they never did and the people who used to hate them laud them for 'seeing the light'. You wonder if they ever believed the stuff they used to say or if it was just to please their paymasters at that time and now that stream has run dry they are saying the opposite because it's lucrative right now. I really don't know if it would be worse if Brand was saying what he is now because he really believes it or if he was only saying it for the money. Both despicable really so maybe it doesn't really matter.
I’m quite happy to say there was a point when I thought Brand was funny, sort of Big Brother’s Little Brother era, he had a stand up routine that was genuinely clever and funny. And then he needed to reinvent himself and he just embraced the grift and you could see there was nothing genuine about him at all.

I wouldn’t revisit his stuff now because, as is my approach to the likes of Barton as well, acknowledging their stuff through views or retweets (even to complain about them) is validation and I would rather starve them of the publicity that feed it.

Obviously there’s a chance he might be innocent, such is the nature of the law in the country that he’s presumed innocent until found guilty but if and when he is found guilty, I hope he gets everything that’s coming to him.

[Frazerbob]

I think there must be hundreds if not more “famous” folk out there who are sexual predators but are being protected because of their status and even if something is leaked theres an iron curtain protecting them, often the same that have committed the same or similar.

Jimmy Saville one of whom I met (but didnt sit on his knee) on a couple of the Edinburgh charity walks.

Rolf Harris another, “ do you know what it is yet” I loved watching him as a kid and was gutted to find out he was a kiddy fiddler.

John Leslie who I had the displeasure of being in his company a couple of times after his career was ruined, a ****ing arrogant prick.

Gary Glitter

Its a scary list and a lot of those are who I loved as a kid growing up and in later life just didnt want to believe it.

Russell Brand I dislike anyway and always seen him as a bit of a slease, cant believe he humped Katie Perry ��

Michael Barrymore is the one who I think got away with murder and as mentioned above I think he was well shielded, I think he knew what happened to the lad Lubek and I think he was involved, thats my opinion anyway.

Not sure you should be including John Leslie with those other names mentioned. He may be an arrogant prick and may not be someone you'd choose to associate yourself with, that's absolutely fair enough but he has not, to my knowledge, been convicted of any sexual offence. He's certainly not a serial child abuser, protected by the royal family or the establishment like some of those mentioned.

[Bridge hibs]

Not sure you should be including John Leslie with those other names mentioned. He may be an arrogant prick and may not be someone you'd choose to associate yourself with, that's absolutely fair enough but he has not, to my knowledge, been convicted of any sexual offence. He's certainly not a serial child abuser, protected by the royal family or the establishment like some of those mentioned.True it isnt fair of me sticking Leslies name in amongst that lot, more personal on my behalf.

[Hibs4185]

I’m quite happy to say there was a point when I thought Brand was funny, sort of Big Brother’s Little Brother era, he had a stand up routine that was genuinely clever and funny. And then he needed to reinvent himself and he just embraced the grift and you could see there was nothing genuine about him at all.

I wouldn’t revisit his stuff now because, as is my approach to the likes of Barton as well, acknowledging their stuff through views or retweets (even to complain about them) is validation and I would rather starve them of the publicity that feed it.

Obviously there’s a chance he might be innocent, such is the nature of the law in the country that he’s presumed innocent until found guilty but if and when he is found guilty, I hope he gets everything that’s coming to him.

Russell Bramd was thé worst comedian I’ve ever seen. My ex gf paid 5x the price to get front row tickets at the festival one year. It was all scripted and he couldn’t handle hecklers. Nothing of the cuff at all.

At the end of the show he told everyone where be was staying and which bar was below. He said the first girl who turned up that he fancied would be the one for that night.

My ex basically ran out of the auditorium, into a taxi and went to the bar (with me in tow) but by the time we got there he had already left.

I knew one of the bar staff and he confirmed the story. Every night he’d arrive in a taxi and within 5-10 mins a girl would come in and they’d disappear upstairs.

[Pretty Boy]

Russell Bramd was thé worst comedian I’ve ever seen. My ex gf paid 5x the price to get front row tickets at the festival one year. It was all scripted and he couldn’t handle hecklers. Nothing of the cuff at all.

At the end of the show he told everyone where be was staying and which bar was below. He said the first girl who turned up that he fancied would be the one for that night.

My ex basically ran out of the auditorium, into a taxi and went to the bar (with me in tow) but by the time we got there he had already left.

I knew one of the bar staff and he confirmed the story. Every night he’d arrive in a taxi and within 5-10 mins a girl would come in and they’d disappear upstairs.

I saw his stand up a few years back and it was ok. As you say a bit like Ricky Gervais stand up in that it was obviously scripted (every comedian has a script of some sort obviously but the best make it look like they don't).

Recalling it now a big part of his act then was reading the readers letters to the Sun and taking the piss out of the reactionary nonsense in them. I wonder if he envisaged that he'd be worse than any of them 15 years down the line? Maybe he could write a sketch about that.

[matty_f]

I saw his stand up a few years back and it was ok. As you say a bit like Ricky Gervais stand up in that it was obviously scripted (every comedian has a script of some sort obviously but the best make it look like they don't).

Recalling it now a big part of his act then was reading the readers letters to the Sun and taking the piss out of the reactionary nonsense in them. I wonder if he envisaged that he'd be worse than any of them 15 years down the line? Maybe he could write a sketch about that.
The last thing I saw him doing on Twitter was trying to flog some necklace that stopped WiFi penetrating you. Which is ironic.

[JohnM1875]

I’m quite happy to say there was a point when I thought Brand was funny, sort of Big Brother’s Little Brother era, he had a stand up routine that was genuinely clever and funny. And then he needed to reinvent himself and he just embraced the grift and you could see there was nothing genuine about him at all.

I wouldn’t revisit his stuff now because, as is my approach to the likes of Barton as well, acknowledging their stuff through views or retweets (even to complain about them) is validation and I would rather starve them of the publicity that feed it.

Obviously there’s a chance he might be innocent, such is the nature of the law in the country that he’s presumed innocent until found guilty but if and when he is found guilty, I hope he gets everything that’s coming to him.

Ponderland was hilarious at times. Some genuinely ‘lol’ moments on there.

Always thought the guy was a total throbber though.

[Peanut Shaz]

I know someone who rented out a flat to him during the Fringe one year. The flat was absolutely disgusting when he left, so much so they had to get in a cleaning firm to fix it. Needless to say the invoice for the cleaning was never paid by Brand.

On the flip side the same person let out the flat a few years ago to Janey Godley and her Daughter. Flat was left immaculate with flowers and a thank you card left by them both as a thank you.

[Northernhibee]

The always excellent Daniel Sloss with a few pointed words about Russell Brand’s agent on his Instagram stories. Plus comedians who are represented by the same person.

[Jones28]

The last thing I saw him doing on Twitter was trying to flog some necklace that stopped WiFi penetrating you. Which is ironic.

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