Lack of Scots in the team

[worcesterhibby]

Not in any way a criticism or a moan, but I was just wondering if we have ever fielded a first eleven without a scotsman in the side as it's a real possibility at the moment, particularly if Hanlon/Marshall were to get injured. Right now the only scots in our first team squad are:


Marshall - Plenty would have liked to have seen him dropped, and when Wollacott comes back from injury, may well happen.
Hanlon - Captain, so usually a first choice pick
Stevenson - Has had plenty of game time recently, but could easily be dropped for Obita by the new manager
Cadden - Injured
Campbell - in and out of ther starting line up
Boyle - Australian :greengrin

If Wollacott comes back from injury and Hanlon picks up a knock we could easily see a side with no Scottish player at all !

Wollacott

Miller, Fish, Rocky, Obita

Boyle, Newell, Jeggo, Youan

Doidge, Vente

Subs - Boruc, Harbottle, Delferriere, Levitt, Doyle-Hayes, Le Fondre


The 6-2 side is the closest that spring to mind..only Gary Smith and John O'Neil were Scottish..must have been a few other times too though that we came close.

[Lago]

Can't see it as an issue, that's football today.

[PatHead]

Can't see it as an issue, that's football today.

Potentially affects the national team.

[CowgateHarp1875]

The CIS Cup winning team of 07 had 5 Scots in the starting 11

The Scottish Cup winning team of 16 had 8 Scots

The Skol Cup team I'm sure only had 2 non Scots in budgie and Evans possibly?

The TT's and famous 5 were all Scots.

So to conclude all of our successful teams have had a strong Scottish contingent in them. Whether that means anything though is beyond me. Mcleishs team is probably the only team that were decent that didn't but they never won anything.

[worcesterhibby]

Can't see it as an issue, that's football today.

I wasn't really suggesting it was an issue...just an interesting thing to note. Would be quite historic if we fielded a team for a league game with no scotish players in the the 11 for the first time. Not a problem..but maybe a wee bit sad (unless they pump Hearts in which case we could have Hibs Foreign Legion scarves produced :greengrin)

[Iain G]

Potentially affects the national team.

What Scottish players have we got that could get into the national team?

[Kato]

The TT's

Cropley was born in Aldershot. I know he was capped for Scotland but ...

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[erin go bragh]

What Scottish players have we got that could get into the national team?
Hopefully a good few from our academy in the near future.

[CowgateHarp1875]

Cropley was born in Aldershot. I know he was capped for Scotland but ...

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Surprised he got capped for us did they no have that rule in place that prevented Baker from playing for us because he was born in England in then?

[BILLYHIBS]

Surprised he got capped for us did they no have that rule in place that prevented Baker from playing for us because he was born in England in then?

Cropley was one of the first to benefit along with Match of the Day host Bob Wilson who both made their debut in a home 2-1 win over Portugal in 1971

Bruce Rioch was another Scot born in Aldershot

[NAE NOOKIE]

Don't really see it as a problem and I know the OP wasn't suggesting it was. The same thought crossed my mind the other week when I realised there was a real possibility that in the so called 'battle of Britain' against Aston Villa Hibs would probably have more 'British' players in the team than Villa, in fact possibly more English players than them.

In all honesty I couldn't care less if the Hibs team consisted entirely of Martians so long as they could win games ... In fact Martians would be perfect coz being traditionally green we could paint their arms white and save a fortune on strips :greengrin

[DH1875]

We played a game recently when we kicked off the 2nd half with no Scots in the team. Can't remember who against though lol.

[Cat Stanton]

Article in the Guardian today talking about how this is an issue across the league.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/sep/12/steve-clarke-has-scotland-soaring-but-premiership-has-little-share-in-success

[BILLYHIBS]

We played a game recently when we kicked off the 2nd half with no Scots in the team. Can't remember who against though lol.

Livvy but Josh Campbell came on as a sub 65 mins

[StarMan10]

Doesn’t help that English teams are snapping up any decent Scot straight out of the Scottish club academies, an issue exacerbated by brexit making signing European youngsters harder for them.

So Scottish clubs know if a youngster shows enough promise before 18 they’re gone for upper 5 figures or low 6 figures, and a sell on fee most won’t see once the lad gets released in 4-5 years. So now you’re only left with a few late bloomers who have managed to slip past the armies of English club scouts breaking through in Scotland.

[J-C]

Gone are the days of all Scottish players in the team, it would be wonderful if that could happen but we need the best players we can afford for the positions and the better Scottish players will go west or down south for more money, hopefully some youngsters start pushing on and become regulars.

[Lago]

Potentially affects the national team.
The national team currently only has 1 home based Scott in it, Callum McGregor.

[Lago]

I wasn't really suggesting it was an issue...just an interesting thing to note. Would be quite historic if we fielded a team for a league game with no scotish players in the the 11 for the first time. Not a problem..but maybe a wee bit sad (unless they pump Hearts in which case we could have Hibs Foreign Legion scarves produced :greengrin)
OK understand 👍

[CowgateHarp1875]

Cropley was one of the first to benefit along with Match of the Day host Bob Wilson who both made their debut in a home 2-1 win over Portugal in 1971

Bruce Rioch was another Scot born in Aldershot

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[Baader]

Only 2 of the starting 11 in the 6-2 game were Scots.

[McD]

The national team currently only has 1 home based Scott in it, Callum McGregor.



There’s an argument to be made that this is a factor in why the national team are doing so well currently.

The likes of McGinn, Robertson, Tierney, Gilmour, Hickey all shining in a much tougher league, with Adams, Porteous getting regular game time for English teams, McTominay was previously getting a lot for Man Utd, Hendry was playing at a decent level in Belgium before going to Saudi.

Staying in Scotland can’t be great for a player’s development, it’s stifling playing the same round robin of opposition, and there is glass ceilings in Scotland. Lower prem, 3rd-6th prem, old firm. Staying in those levels doesn’t help players develop too much, the likes of Nisbet are the exception. McGinn and Robertson have developed immensely by training and playing with a much higher standard of player, and Gilmour is an example of getting away from Glasgow early and developing in a much higher standard.

Callum McGregor is probably one of a very small number (at the moment) who look like they can contribute at international level having stayed in Scotland. The likes of Ryan Jack look light years away from the standards of the midfielders listed above.

[A Hi-Bee]

Wish we could afford some Japanese players, they have just battered Turkey now after giving the Gerries a sore nose as well.
:thumbsup:

[Callum_62]

Potentially affects the national team.

Apparently in the positive based on recent results! :greengrin

[HendoDelivered]

As long as we win i couldnt care where the players are from 👍🏼

[Keith_M]

I remember it being a novelty in the 80s when Liverpool played a match (might even have been a Cup win) without a single English player in their line-up.


Nowadays it must be fairly common for teams to do that.

[CowgateHarp1875]

I remember it being a novelty in the 80s when Liverpool played a match (might even have been a Cup win) without a single English player in their line-up.


Nowadays it must be fairly common for teams to do that.


To be fair Liverpool is the 33rd country of Ireland 😂

[Keith_M]

To be fair Liverpool is the 33rd country of Ireland 😂


True.


:greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The 6-2 side is the closest that spring to mind..only Gary Smith and John O'Neil were Scottish..must have been a few other times too though that we came close.

That game would tend to indicate that it'll all work out fine. 😉

[ScottB]

With English sides now finding it harder to sign foreign, especially young foreign talent, combined with the vast wealth disparity, we can presumably expect more and more talented Scots to head south, or indeed abroad in general, as the recent few following in Hendo’s footsteps have shown.

It’s not a shock that the SPL is largely buying in non Scots to fill up the numbers. Personally I’d like to see us making more use of the young players we have, but when you consider we’ve managed to move on 3 first team starting Scots, two of which are in the national team now, in almost as many seasons, I don’t think there’s a problem whatever a moaning Jambo at the Guardian thinks.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I remember it being a novelty in the 80s when Liverpool played a match (might even have been a Cup win) without a single English player in their line-up.


Nowadays it must be fairly common for teams to do that.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that back in the day ... a long way back to be fair ... Newcastle United won the league, or the cup, something like that, with a team almost entirely comprised of Scottish players.

[LancsHibs]

Cropley was one of the first to benefit along with Match of the Day host Bob Wilson who both made their debut in a home 2-1 win over Portugal in 1971

Bruce Rioch was another Scot born in Aldershot

Aldershot? Sounds like Scottish parents in the army and they were born whilst serving there.

[Kato]

Aldershot? Sounds like Scottish parents in the army and they were born whilst serving there.Exactly right for AC, hence his nickname "sodjer".

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[hibby rae]

Good chance we fielded a team or just Irish players at some point, and won something with them.

[heretoday]

As long as we win i couldnt care where the players are from 👍🏼

Or the manager.

[worcesterhibby]

Good chance we fielded a team or just Irish players at some point, and won something with them.

Good point !