Scotland v England

[Pretty Boy]

I think Souness was pretty much spot on. The strength of that England squad is frightening, quality throughout and Bellingham must be up there as one of the best in the world already and he's still only 20. If he keeps his head down then there's no telling where he could be after a couple of years in Madrid.

[B.H.F.C]

Bit of a reality check there. We’ve had an unbelievable run and we’re massively improved, but their players are different level.

Their front three were Man City, Bayern Munich and Man Utd. Our front three were a midfielder from Man Utd who doesn’t get a game, Southampton and the Aston Villa captain not really playing his position.

[Hibees1973]

England are a world class side.

No need to be downhearted tonight, even though we played far too open.

Clarke has us knocking on the door of the Euros with the prospect of us being in the second pot of the Euros draw. This will give us more than a fighting chance of getting through the group and into the knock out stages.

[JimBHibees]

Souness doing my head in...

Yep he is and always has been a kok. Last year he was wanting Ukraine to beat us in a world Cup play off. Moron

[JimBHibees]

Well England still to prove they are the very best - by winning a tournament. No doubt the better team won tonight but Scotland were like rabbits in the headlights first half.

Very poor first half. England's quality going forward is excellent. Pretty poor defensively and we should have tested Ramsdale more or at all

[Not In The Know]

Him, Foden, Rice, Grealish, Saka, Rashford, Kane...

I'll be really surprised if they don't find a way to win a major competition soon. Serious talent in this squad.

nah. All of the above (apart from JB) are as good as any top Euro team has. He’s the difference and it’s worrying. England hasn’t had a true great player, he could be it. Gaza was a genius but a bampot too. JB seems like he has his head screwed on.

[JimBHibees]

England are a world class side.

No need to be downhearted tonight, even though we played far too open.

Clarke has us knocking on the door of the Euros with the prospect of us being in the second pot of the Euros draw. This will give us more than a fighting chance of getting through the group and into the knock out stages.

Good going forward defensively not world class.

[Onion]

Bit of a reality check there. We’ve had an unbelievable run and we’re massively improved, but their players are different level.

Their front three were Man City, Bayern Munich and Man Utd. Our front three were a midfielder from Man Utd who doesn’t get a game, Southampton and the Aston Villa captain not really playing his position.

Still feel the nature of the game suited England much more than us. There was zero pressure on them, so they were able to play the ball around like a training session. Against tougher sides or even a fully competitive Scotland team they would not have been given the time or space they enjoyed tonight. Scotland is all about the sum of the parts, and we did not see that tonight.

If Scotland had won, it would have been crisis for England. As it is, they will now think they're world-beaters. One thing's certain, if we play them in the Euros next year, it will be a much more completive match.

[B.H.F.C]

Still feel the nature of the game suited England much more than us. There was zero pressure on them, so they were able to play the ball around like a training session. Against tougher sides or even a fully competitive Scotland team they would not have been given the time or space they enjoyed tonight. Scotland is all about the sum of the parts, and we did not see that tonight.

If Scotland had won, it would have been crisis for England. As it is, they will now think they're world-beaters. One thing's certain, if we play them in the Euros next year, it will be a much more completive match.

I honestly thought it was just a case of their players turning up. Bellingham was incredible but the likes of Walker and Rice were superb. And they were all properly up for it.

We can learn a bit from how we set up tonight when we come across any top teams in Germany next year.

[SteveHFC]

Bellingham was class.

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe in a game that mattered like we did in the Euros.

Tonight meant nothing.

Correct.

[WeeRussell]

Well, yes actually.

To compete seriously with them, we'd have to stop their midfield and we've not got the players to do that legally.

Oh yes, throw him to the floor pwease.

[CB Hibs 68]

Reality check for Scotland .We are good maybe even better but the difference in quality was there to see .I would be surprised if that England squad doesn’t win a major tournament .I use the word squad and not team deliberately because they have strength in depth that no other country currently has.

[darwenhibby]

Engerland fans were telling me this evening before the game that it didn’t matter to them like it does to us
Yet the text I was getting tells a different story
They were better than us tonight
But a more competitive up and at them in a tournament we might just get the better of them
Good test to tell Scotland where the bar is raised to as Spain and France will show us
Still think we will do well in Germany

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

A tad disappointing but, of no significance when we are so close to qualification, save the big results for when it matters.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Where have this team been all game?!?

Great chance for SJM.

Off his shoulder, would've been in if he got his napper on it. Really poor effort to be honest.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Yep he is and always has been a kok. Last year he was wanting Ukraine to beat us in a world Cup play off. Moron

McCoist wasn't far behind him tonight, must be due a contract renewal down south.

[NAE NOOKIE]

McCoist wasn't far behind him tonight, must be due a contract renewal down south.

Couldn't agree more mate, England are clearly a good side and it would be stupid to deny it, Bellingham looks world class and Foden isn't far behind him, it would be crass not to acknowledge they look like contenders for any competition, they have good players all over the pitch.

But ye gods, if McCoist had been any further up the arse of his co commentators all you would have seen is his shoes. It's one thing trying to be balanced, but if he had gushed any more over England he would have drowned everybody in sodding drool, hope Dion Dublin had a towel with him.

[ekhibee]

I think Souness was pretty much spot on. The strength of that England squad is frightening, quality throughout and Bellingham must be up there as one of the best in the world already and he's still only 20. If he keeps his head down then there's no telling where he could be after a couple of years in Madrid.

Yep, didn't listen to all that Souness said but Bellingham is a world class player without any shadow of a doubt and stands out even in a really good English team which this is. I would suggest that people should watch any interviews with him as well, he's very single minded but articulate and highly intelligent. He's not arrogant, he's just very determined to push himself to the top of his profession or as close as, and I would be amazed if he doesn't reach that goal, considering he's only 20 just now. I just wish he was Scottish!!

[MWHIBBIES]

nah. All of the above (apart from JB) are as good as any top Euro team has. He’s the difference and it’s worrying. England hasn’t had a true great player, he could be it. Gaza was a genius but a bampot too. JB seems like he has his head screwed on.

England has had plenty better than Gazza in the last 25 years. Kane has been a world class striker for 8 years. Far more consistent than Gascoigne ever was.

[Stanton Spence]

Scotland were playing a very good English side who now have an exceptional squad who could win a major tournament
Haven’t seen too much of Bellingham until tonight and the laddie bossed the midfield and has it all to reach the very top in the game
I think they could be even better if they got another manager to get the best out of them

[J-C]

Recorded it and watched it later, England looked way ahead of us, don't know if it was a hangover from their last game but Scotland looked miles off it. As has been said though the England squad are all top players with the vast majority playing in teams at the top end of the leagues they play in, Bellingham is one heck of a player for his tender age and frighteningly he'll only get better. Last night just shows that although we've big leaps as a team, we're still a wee bit behind the big boys.

[JimBHibees]

Couldn't agree more mate, England are clearly a good side and it would be stupid to deny it, Bellingham looks world class and Foden isn't far behind him, it would be crass not to acknowledge they look like contenders for any competition, they have good players all over the pitch.

But ye gods, if McCoist had been any further up the arse of his co commentators all you would have seen is his shoes. It's one thing trying to be balanced, but if he had gushed any more over England he would have drowned everybody in sodding drool, hope Dion Dublin had a towel with him.

Yep was struggling to listen to that also. No doubt enjoying his gigs down south.

[McSwanky]

I can't listen to mccoist any more without thinking of Grado

https://youtu.be/hsvWRUmpLUo?si=zEszHNX98jXAQpBx

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[Dmas]

Scotland were playing a very good English side who now have an exceptional squad who could win a major tournament
Haven’t seen too much of Bellingham until tonight and the laddie bossed the midfield and has it all to reach the very top in the game
I think they could be even better if they got another manager to get the best out of them

Agree the manager is the issue with England if they had a better one in place they’d have already won a major tournament imo they should be up their with France as favs for the euros, strength in that squad is ridiculous

[heretoday]

McQuoist's heart and wallet lie in the south these days so he has to please his masters. As for Souness, he hasn't kicked a ball in anger for hundreds of years. He just comes out with any old crap.

[Winston Ingram]

nah. All of the above (apart from JB) are as good as any top Euro team has. He’s the difference and it’s worrying. England hasn’t had a true great player, he could be it. Gaza was a genius but a bampot too. JB seems like he has his head screwed on.

That's nonsense. Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Ferdinand, Terry, Rooney, Owen, Shearer, Beckham...

I think all of them were on the Balon d'or shorlist.

[Since90+2]

Agree the manager is the issue with England if they had a better one in place they’d have already won a major tournament imo they should be up their with France as favs for the euros, strength in that squad is ridiculous

They are up there as favourites with France to win the Euros.

France are probably marginally the better side, but absolutely nobody would be shocked if England beat them.

[flash]

When you have guys like Ollie Watkins not even making the squad it's clear to see the frightening firepower that England possess.
Bellingham is just going to get better and looks like he has the potential to be in the best 2 or 3 midfielders on the planet.
Southgate is a man of great decency and humility and this feeds into the team. They are lot harder to dislike for me these days compared to previous England teams.
Scotland have done magnificently well in the last wee while but are probably about to become a victim of our own success by playing in Pot 1 of the Nation's League.
We just need to accept we are a fair bit behind England just now and concentrate on keeping doing what we have been recently.

[CowgateHarp1875]

Yep was struggling to listen to that also. No doubt enjoying his gigs down south.

Agree with this he was unbearable last night.

[CowgateHarp1875]

When you have guys like Ollie Watkins not even making the squad it's clear to see the frightening firepower that England possess.
Bellingham is just going to get better and looks like he has the potential to be in the best 2 or 3 midfielders on the planet.
Southgate is a man of great decency and humility and this feeds into the team. They are lot harder to dislike for me these days compared to previous England teams.
Scotland have done magnificently well in the last wee while but are probably about to become a victim of our own success by playing in Pot 1 of the Nation's League.
We just need to accept we are a fair bit behind England just now and concentrate on keeping doing what we have been recently.

Their passing was unbelievable last night I think someone mentioned on here last night it was like us against villa which I totally agree with.

[Paulie Walnuts]

When you have guys like Ollie Watkins not even making the squad it's clear to see the frightening firepower that England possess.
Bellingham is just going to get better and looks like he has the potential to be in the best 2 or 3 midfielders on the planet.
Southgate is a man of great decency and humility and this feeds into the team. They are lot harder to dislike for me these days compared to previous England teams.
Scotland have done magnificently well in the last wee while but are probably about to become a victim of our own success by playing in Pot 1 of the Nation's League.
We just need to accept we are a fair bit behind England just now and concentrate on keeping doing what we have been recently.

Bellingham will be the best midfielder by a distance soon imo, I don’t think there’ll be anyone that comes all that close for a few years anyway.

[Bridge hibs]

Gareth Southgate needs to use some lip balm on those crusty lips, its like two weetabix slapping together watching him talk

England have some frighteningly good young players just now

[Winston Ingram]

Their passing was unbelievable last night I think someone mentioned on here last night it was like us against villa which I totally agree with.

The move for their 3rd goal was sensational.

[BILLYHIBS]

Just as I feared the handbrake was off

Ah well time to roll up the sleeves and press on with the remaining fixtures and make sure we get over the line whatever it takes

Germany here we come !

[Scouse Hibee]

Missed it as I was working but just finished watching it this morning. Before the game I really fancied Scotland to give England a game given their recent run of results. Scotland have certainly improved under Clark and the spirit and performances have been great to watch. England players showed they are mostly on a different level last night with some outstanding performances particularly from Bellingham, Rashford, Foden. It certainly looks like England should be winning a tournament soon if they can just bring it all together when it matters. The banter in my house with my son who is Scottish born and bred was very enjoyable before the game and when he returned from Hampden last night.😀

[JimBHibees]

Missed it as I was working but just finished watching it this morning. Before the game I really fancied Scotland to give England a game given their recent run of results. Scotland have certainly improved under Clark and the spirit and performances have been great to watch. England players showed they are mostly on a different level last night with some outstanding performances particularly from Bellingham, Rashford, Foden. It certainly looks like England should be winning a tournament soon if they can just bring it all together when it matters. The banter in my house with my son who is Scottish born and bred was very enjoyable before the game and when he returned from Hampden last night.😀

Who did you want to win? :greengrin

[Tambo]

Missed it as I was working but just finished watching it this morning. Before the game I really fancied Scotland to give England a game given their recent run of results. Scotland have certainly improved under Clark and the spirit and performances have been great to watch. England players showed they are mostly on a different level last night with some outstanding performances particularly from Bellingham, Rashford, Foden. It certainly looks like England should be winning a tournament soon if they can just bring it all together when it matters. The banter in my house with my son who is Scottish born and bred was very enjoyable before the game and when he returned from Hampden last night.😀

This is how I felt also before kickoff that Scotland would tough to breakdown, England got through the high press so easy at times. Bellingham outstanding for the English and I thought Porteous had a decent game for the Scots.

[Scouse Hibee]

Who did you want to win? :greengrin

Do you really need to ask? 😀

[CowgateHarp1875]

The move for their 3rd goal was sensational.

Absolutely. The movement was out of this world. It looked like we were playing a different sport at times.

[JimBHibees]

Do you really need to ask? 😀

No but thought living up here you might have mellowed :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

The move for their 3rd goal was sensational.

Personally thought great move as it was a little criminal to leave Kane with so much space

[Scouse Hibee]

No but thought living up here you might have mellowed :greengrin

I have, years ago I would have posted GIRUY 😂

[NAE NOOKIE]

Absolutely. The movement was out of this world. It looked like we were playing a different sport at times.

England had that all night, time and again as soon as Scotland had anything like a high line we were undone by a defence splitting through ball to the likes of Rashford with tons of pace. Some of their passing through the midfield was very impressive, as was their overall movement, finding space all the time and even when they couldn't playing out of tight situations with one touch passing.

How often have England had teams that on paper looked capable of winning a major tournament but crashed and burned when it mattered though? This one looks as capable as any of them and more capable than some who have been bummed up before a tournament.

But that's always been England, they waltz through qualifying time and again and put countries like us to the sword in friendlies, but when it comes time to match up with their peers they are invariably found wanting. That's why when you see their fans taking the piss on social media after they beat us there's a simple go to response they can't answer.

By any measurement you care to apply England have always been in the top 7 nations of world football and certainly since the start of the 90s the top nation financially. In total there has been 46 world cups and Euros and England have been a fixture at the finals of most of them, yet in that time they have only managed to reach the final twice and both of them were at tournaments they hosted.

When the rest of the world look at the stars on the shirts of Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina, France or Spain showing how many world cups, Euros and Copa America's they have won England's lonely little star isn't a celebration, it's an indictment.

[lucky]

When you have guys like Ollie Watkins not even making the squad it's clear to see the frightening firepower that England possess.
Bellingham is just going to get better and looks like he has the potential to be in the best 2 or 3 midfielders on the planet.
Southgate is a man of great decency and humility and this feeds into the team. They are lot harder to dislike for me these days compared to previous England teams.
Scotland have done magnificently well in the last wee while but are probably about to become a victim of our own success by playing in Pot 1 of the Nation's League.
We just need to accept we are a fair bit behind England just now and concentrate on keeping doing what we have been recently.

Spot on. They are a very good watch. The gap between the two teams was very similar to us against Villa but maybe not quiet as big.

[gbhibby]

Looking at the highlights Andy Robertson was to blame for two of the goals. It was like watching our defence under Lee.

[Pagan Hibernia]

England had that all night, time and again as soon as Scotland had anything like a high line we were undone by a defence splitting through ball to the likes of Rashford with tons of pace. Some of their passing through the midfield was very impressive, as was their overall movement, finding space all the time and even when they couldn't playing out of tight situations with one touch passing.

How often have England had teams that on paper looked capable of winning a major tournament but crashed and burned when it mattered though? This one looks as capable as any of them and more capable than some who have been bummed up before a tournament.

But that's always been England, they waltz through qualifying time and again and put countries like us to the sword in friendlies, but when it comes time to match up with their peers they are invariably found wanting. That's why when you see their fans taking the piss on social media after they beat us there's a simple go to response they can't answer.

By any measurement you care to apply England have always been in the top 7 nations of world football and certainly since the start of the 90s the top nation financially. In total there has been 46 world cups and Euros and England have been a fixture at the finals of most of them, yet in that time they have only managed to reach the final twice and both of them were at tournaments they hosted.

When the rest of the world look at the stars on the shirts of Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina, France or Spain showing how many world cups, Euros and Copa America's they have won England's lonely little star isn't a celebration, it's an indictment.

I've fancied them to win each of the last three tournaments. That they found a way to not win any of them would concern me if I was an England fan

[hhibs]

They're just not up for it. Getting the result in Cyprus was the entire focus for the team.

Despite the opposition, this hasn't featured much in their thoughts and is well down in the importance stakes.



Agree,the Scotland team not looking up for this one.

[JimBHibees]

I have, years ago I would have posted GIRUY 😂

:faf:

[Keith_M]

I have, years ago I would have posted GIRUY ��


Mate, just do it.



Think of the endless cheeky comments you would have got in the (unlikely) event Scotland had won.

I would have posted at least some of them...

:greengrin

[CowgateHarp1875]

England had that all night, time and again as soon as Scotland had anything like a high line we were undone by a defence splitting through ball to the likes of Rashford with tons of pace. Some of their passing through the midfield was very impressive, as was their overall movement, finding space all the time and even when they couldn't playing out of tight situations with one touch passing.

How often have England had teams that on paper looked capable of winning a major tournament but crashed and burned when it mattered though? This one looks as capable as any of them and more capable than some who have been bummed up before a tournament.

But that's always been England, they waltz through qualifying time and again and put countries like us to the sword in friendlies, but when it comes time to match up with their peers they are invariably found wanting. That's why when you see their fans taking the piss on social media after they beat us there's a simple go to response they can't answer.

By any measurement you care to apply England have always been in the top 7 nations of world football and certainly since the start of the 90s the top nation financially. In total there has been 46 world cups and Euros and England have been a fixture at the finals of most of them, yet in that time they have only managed to reach the final twice and both of them were at tournaments they hosted.

When the rest of the world look at the stars on the shirts of Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina, France or Spain showing how many world cups, Euros and Copa America's they have won England's lonely little star isn't a celebration, it's an indictment.


Brilliant post mate and couldn't agree more 👍 they've had far better teams than the one that put us to the sword last night that have went on to do nothing.

Having had time to think about the game in general it will be a very beneficial run out for the boys for next summer. Now we know how the elites operate on the pitch. Obviously we've already played Spain but we caught them at the perfect time.

England is still a relatively small country in the grand scheme of things so what is it they are doing to have such great teams year after year! We can't say it's because of money or because they have one of the best leagues in the world because I would hazard a guess that at least 70% of that league is non English. Our FA should be taking inspiration from what they're doing, even when you look at teams like Croatia with a population smaller than ours yet they're producing world class talent!! Is it our culture as a nation that is holding us back? Our diet and love of alcohol is terrible. Not that England's is much better right enough

[Stairway 2 7]

Brilliant post mate and couldn't agree more 👍 they've had far better teams than the one that put us to the sword last night that have went on to do nothing.

Having had time to think about the game in general it will be a very beneficial run out for the boys for next summer. Now we know how the elites operate on the pitch. Obviously we've already played Spain but we caught them at the perfect time.

England is still a relatively small country in the grand scheme of things so what is it they are doing to have such great teams year after year! We can't say it's because of money or because they have one of the best leagues in the world because I would hazard a guess that at least 70% of that league is non English. Our FA should be taking inspiration from what they're doing, even when you look at teams like Croatia with a population smaller than ours yet they're producing world class talent!! Is it our culture as a nation that is holding us back? Our diet and love of alcohol is terrible. Not that England's is much better right enough

Money and having the best league in the world is a massive part. Leicester City alone has a better training and youth development centre than all of Scotland combined. Man city's centre is like a village. Their youth are fine tuned to be athletes from a young age, hearts youths play second fiddle to university sports teams for training spaces. Hibs isn't much better east mains is very much for the first team with the younger teams being run like boys clubs and were the bigger clubs

[CowgateHarp1875]

Money and having the best league in the world is a massive part. Leicester City alone has a better training and youth development centre than all of Scotland combined. Man city's centre is like a village. Their youth are fine tuned to be athletes from a young age, hearts youths play second fiddle to university sports teams for training spaces. Hibs isn't much better east mains is very much for the first team with the younger teams being run like boys clubs and were the bigger clubs


When you put it like that it becomes very clear why mate 👍

[Dmas]

Brilliant post mate and couldn't agree more 👍 they've had far better teams than the one that put us to the sword last night that have went on to do nothing.

Having had time to think about the game in general it will be a very beneficial run out for the boys for next summer. Now we know how the elites operate on the pitch. Obviously we've already played Spain but we caught them at the perfect time.

England is still a relatively small country in the grand scheme of things so what is it they are doing to have such great teams year after year! We can't say it's because of money or because they have one of the best leagues in the world because I would hazard a guess that at least 70% of that league is non English. Our FA should be taking inspiration from what they're doing, even when you look at teams like Croatia with a population smaller than ours yet they're producing world class talent!! Is it our culture as a nation that is holding us back? Our diet and love of alcohol is terrible. Not that England's is much better right enough

The whole attitude to the game has changed down there now, you listen to stories from the culture when guys like wenger first arrived in England it’s easy to see what held them back before, now they have a big influx of foreign managers and owners the whole attitude towards standards etc has changed down there, as well as obviously the amounts of money spent on facilities as mentioned by other posters.

it’s big buisness down there now Man City made something like 200m over the last couple of windows selling young players who barely kicked a first team ball it’s best of the best being hired down there and it’s starting to show with the U21 getting a bit of success recently at the euros

[Colr]

Brilliant post mate and couldn't agree more 👍 they've had far better teams than the one that put us to the sword last night that have went on to do nothing.

Having had time to think about the game in general it will be a very beneficial run out for the boys for next summer. Now we know how the elites operate on the pitch. Obviously we've already played Spain but we caught them at the perfect time.

England is still a relatively small country in the grand scheme of things so what is it they are doing to have such great teams year after year! We can't say it's because of money or because they have one of the best leagues in the world because I would hazard a guess that at least 70% of that league is non English. Our FA should be taking inspiration from what they're doing, even when you look at teams like Croatia with a population smaller than ours yet they're producing world class talent!! Is it our culture as a nation that is holding us back? Our diet and love of alcohol is terrible. Not that England's is much better right enough

Croatia is sports obsessed.

Scotland used to be football obsessed.

[Since90+2]

Croatia is sports obsessed.

Scotland used to be football obsessed.

Do we not have the highest football attendance per capita of any country in Europe? Higher than Croatia?

I don't think it's anything to do with the love of the game it's diet, culture, climate and a few others more so IMO.

[Scouse Hibee]

Mate, just do it.



Think of the endless cheeky comments you would have got in the (unlikely) event Scotland had won.

I would have posted at least some of them...

:greengrin

I don’t doubt it, you skirt wearing haggis munching jock 😂

[CowgateHarp1875]

The whole attitude to the game has changed down there now, you listen to stories from the culture when guys like wenger first arrived in England it’s easy to see what held them back before, now they have a big influx of foreign managers and owners the whole attitude towards standards etc has changed down there, as well as obviously the amounts of money spent on facilities as mentioned by other posters.

it’s big buisness down there now Man City made something like 200m over the last couple of windows selling young players who barely kicked a first team ball it’s best of the best being hired down there and it’s starting to show with the U21 getting a bit of success recently at the euros

Totally agree with this mate. I will say though for all they have south of the border their premier league is soulless. It has more of an American sports feel to it these days and I wouldn't trade all their billions in the world for what we have. Our game is real football. Our game is still working class and still has a community based feel about it and I hope that never changes tbh.

[SHODAN]

Have you considered... THE XBOXES??? Argument over

[CowgateHarp1875]

Do we not have the highest football attendance per capita of any country in Europe? Higher than Croatia?

I don't think it's anything to do with the love of the game it's diet, culture, climate and a few others more so IMO.


I agree with this mate. We have to catch up with other countries in the culture department. I still believe alcohol has a huge part to play in our lack of quality coming through at youth level. For every great player that makes it there's 10 better players who have fell off the rails by being peer pressured into drinking alcohol with their mates at 15/16. It's definitely a big issue in this country.

The way this country treats alcohol in such a taboo manner is a big part to do with it as well. Kids in Europe are exposed to a glass of wine with their meals at an early age. Our kids are hanging around the streets drinking Buckfast and mad dog.

[Rumble de Thump]

England played particularly well. It was probably their best performance in a long time. Scotland played particularly poorly. It was one of our worst performces in a long time, and England didn't even need to work for their first two goals. It was just a friendly but some people seem to have read an awful lot into it even though everyone should know better.

England are very good going forward but not so good defensively, and that's been the case for a number of years now. The latest Nations League campaign highlighted the England team's weaknesses, which haven't been addressed yet. If their defence becomes as good as their attack they will be a match for some of the best nations in the world.

But if anyone thinks England already have their hands on a World Cup trophy because they won 3-1 against a Scotland team that didn't even turn up then there will be disappointment ahead. Good luck to them, though.

[DH1875]

Do we not have the highest football attendance per capita of any country in Europe? Higher than Croatia?

I don't think it's anything to do with the love of the game it's diet, culture, climate and a few others more so IMO.

100%
Folk always talk about money and budgets too. Our TV deal dwarfs Croatia which makes a change.

[CowgateHarp1875]

England played particularly well. It was probably their best performance in a long time. Scotland played particularly poorly. It was one of our worst performces in a long time, and England didn't even need to work for their first two goals. It was just a friendly but some people seem to have read an awful lot into it even though everyone should know better.

England are very good going forward but not so good defensively, and that's been the case for a number of years now. The latest Nations League campaign highlighted the England team's weaknesses, which haven't been addressed yet. If their defence becomes as good as their attack they will be a match for some of the best nations in the world.

But if anyone thinks England already have their hands on a World Cup trophy because they won 3-1 against a Scotland team that didn't even turn up then there will be disappointment ahead. Good luck to them, though.

Great post mate 👍 the first two goals were our fault we were terrible defensively last night and offered nothing up front.

[Stairway 2 7]

Bellingham says when he heard his anthem being booed it fired him up to play to 100%, backfired a bit as he certainly did.

[Kato]

Bellingham says when he heard his anthem being booed it fired him up to play to 100%, backfired a bit as he certainly did.He might be a great player (he is) but if he considers that thing as his anthem he's a divvy.

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[Stairway 2 7]

He might be a great player (he is) but if he considers that thing as his anthem he's a divvy.

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Sure that's up to him, he seems proud to play for England. I personally think its an abomination and worst of all just a depressing dirge as is our anthem.

[Smartie]

Booing national anthems is terrible patter and something I’d never do with some very notable exceptions - those of England, Northern Ireland and Liechtenstein.

I might be pushed to be all that respectful of the Russian one these days tbf.

Anyone else, it actually really annoys me when folk boo anthems. Disrespectful and mindless.

[007]

Bellingham says when he heard his anthem being booed it fired him up to play to 100%, backfired a bit as he certainly did.

The flip side would therefore be if the anthem hadn't been booed then he wouldn't have given 100%. More likely it's just him giving a bit back, which is fair enough. That's all part of the game.

[Stairway 2 7]

The flip side would therefore be if the anthem hadn't been booed then he wouldn't have given 100%. More likely it's just him giving a bit back, which is fair enough. That's all part of the game.

I think things like putting opposition managers quotes on the dressing room wall ect has always been used to gee up the team. I always cringed when hibs fans would sing to Nade as he always tried harder against us looking at his scoring record. I guess only Bellingham could say if it gee'd him up

[MWHIBBIES]

Bellingham says when he heard his anthem being booed it fired him up to play to 100%, backfired a bit as he certainly did.


What % had he been planning to give before?

[007]

What % had he been planning to give before?

He could've trolled us even more by saying he was going to give 60% but because of the booing gave 75%.

[marinello59]

He could've trolled us even more by saying he was going to give 60% but because of the booing gave 75%.

:greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

What % had he been planning to give before?

You'd have to ask him. Players obviously play to full potential with stimulus or managers wouldn't do team talks and prem clubs wouldn't all have psychologists. I think stokes played to 100% against rangers, he was like a man possessed in the final. To be fair I think Bellingham is more professional than that and doesn't have many down games. He might have tried harder than he would have in a friendly, you see in some friendlies players barely go past a jog

[Kato]

Booing national anthems is terrible patter and something I’d never do with some very notable exceptions - those of England, Northern Ireland and Liechtenstein.

I might be pushed to be all that respectful of the Russian one these days tbf.

Anyone else, it actually really annoys me when folk boo anthems. Disrespectful and mindless.Actually agree. Fires them up which is the last thing required.

If they had Jerusalem I'd probably join in.

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[JimBHibees]

No need to boo anthems. Pretty embarrassing really. Makes us look very small minded

[Mick O'Rourke]

Sure that's up to him, he seems proud to play for England. I personally think its an abomination and worst of all just a depressing dirge as is our anthem.

I think we (Scotland)will commission a national anthem if Independence happens in the future.
Flower of Scotland really just appears to be a football/rugby "anthem" song.
So our composers of the future hopefully will come up with an anthem that doesnt mention people dying and proud kings or armies being sent anywhere to reflect.!!
Meanwhile, the SFA could adopt this to be played at future Scotland games as the teams line up !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3CrpAKakQ

A real Hampden Roar-er

[One Day Soon]

Sure that's up to him, he seems proud to play for England. I personally think its an abomination and worst of all just a depressing dirge as is our anthem.

They really are both utter merde. Embarrassing.

[marinello59]

I think we (Scotland)will commission a national anthem if Independence happens in the future.
Flower of Scotland really just appears to be a football/rugby "anthem" song.
So our composers of the future hopefully will come up with an anthem that doesnt mention people dying and proud kings or armies being sent anywhere to reflect.!!
Meanwhile, the SFA could adopt this to be played at future Scotland games as the teams line up !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3CrpAKakQ

A real Hampden Roar-er

Years since I heard Football Crazy..Love it.

I agree with binning Flower of Scotland. Awful on so many levels.

[JimBHibees]

They really are both utter merde. Embarrassing.

Nah Scotlands one is good theirs is a dirge :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Actually agree. Fires them up which is the last thing required.

If they Jerusalem I'd probably join in.

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Aye reluctantly agree Jerusalem is quite stirring and added bonus of being pro worker talking about the Mills.

Flower of Scotland is brutal and a dirge. We also can't complain about the verse that was added and never used "rebellious Scots to crush" if we've got bits about Edwards army. I'd have Ebeneezer Goode or bonnie wee Jeeanie Mccall

[DinkyTwo]

Absolutely no issue at all with booing GSTK.

Think Michael Stewart is on the money here:

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23786363.michael-stewart-hits-back-critics-scotland-boos/?fbclid=IwAR1MA1iP_OqMWB2MnCO8RuGvq8FcWJlMMdLAjoBe DUn0azT4MbIFuONmr4k

"GSTK can not be the English and British national anthem. This is the crux of the issue.

"England is not Britain but on many fronts it either acts like it is or it’s facilitated that way. That's disrespectful and unacceptable, it’s also not sustainable."

A sizeable portion of us want absolutely nothing to do with the UK (which is really just England by proxy), their foreign policy, triumphalism and their monarchy.

I'll boo any song representing that.

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[He's here!]

Aye reluctantly agree Jerusalem is quite stirring and added bonus of being pro worker talking about the Mills.

Flower of Scotland is brutal and a dirge. We also can't complain about the verse that was added and never used "rebellious Scots to crush" if we've got bits about Edwards army. I'd have Ebeneezer Goode or bonnie wee Jeeanie Mccall

Both GTSTK and Flower of Scotland are awful. Scotland the Brave and Jerusalem would be better replacements.

TBH tho I don't really see the need for anthems being played at all.

[heretoday]

We should stop playing England altogether. It just screws everyone up.

[BS44]

A sizeable portion of us want absolutely nothing to do with the UK (which is really just England by proxy), their foreign policy, triumphalism and their monarchy.


To make that statement I can only assume that you don't have any family/friends in England, Wales or Northern Ireland. Or you never travel outwith Scotland. Or you haven't watched the economic and social carnage caused by Brexit.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

The amount of seethr of X from the rangers fans around this whole thing is absolutely mental.

Pretty sure some of them don't even know why they are upset

The shots of the FM smirking seems to have got them.

[DinkyTwo]

To make that statement I can only assume that you don't have any family/friends in England, Wales or Northern Ireland. Or you never travel outwith Scotland. Or you haven't watched the economic and social carnage caused by Brexit.Why would you assume that?

It's not difficult to separate Uk / English politics from people living in the UK / English people.

I don't think 50 thousand people on Tuesday night were booing anyone for being English

[Betty Boop]

Absolutely no issue at all with booing GSTK.

Think Michael Stewart is on the money here:

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23786363.michael-stewart-hits-back-critics-scotland-boos/?fbclid=IwAR1MA1iP_OqMWB2MnCO8RuGvq8FcWJlMMdLAjoBe DUn0azT4MbIFuONmr4k

"GSTK can not be the English and British national anthem. This is the crux of the issue.

"England is not Britain but on many fronts it either acts like it is or it’s facilitated that way. That's disrespectful and unacceptable, it’s also not sustainable."

A sizeable portion of us want absolutely nothing to do with the UK (which is really just England by proxy), their foreign policy, triumphalism and their monarchy.

I'll boo any song representing that.

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Michael Stewart is a fud of the highest order .

[overdrive]

I was at the match but recorded the game to see any goals and to see how biased the Ch4 coverage was. Andy Robertson was at fault for both goals. I was surprised Souness was so pro-Scotland pre-game given his history of wanting Scotland to get beat. Jill Scott and Joe Cole were insufferable. I liked how when Joe Cole suggested there weren't Scotland vs England games when he was a player due to hooliganism that he didn't make it clear that only one of the two national teams have a real issue with hooliganism.

Jude Bellingham is an outstanding player. He can play anywhere in midfield but I like him in the #10 role. Had to laugh when Jill Scott was claiming Foden is England's main man and should get priority in a more central position over Bellingham. Foden is a good player but Bellingham is on a completely different level.

[Keith_M]

I don’t doubt it, you skirt wearing haggis munching jock 😂


Much better!

:greengrin

[BS44]

Why would you assume that?

It's not difficult to separate Uk / English politics from people living in the UK / English people.

I don't think 50 thousand people on Tuesday night were booing anyone for being English

I assumed that because you said you stated that you wanted absolutely nothing to do with the UK.

[DinkyTwo]

I assumed that because you said you stated that you wanted absolutely nothing to do with the UK.The UK as an entity and our overlords, yes.

People living in the UK outside of Scotland, I haven't met them all but assume that most are probably fine [emoji106]

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[Since90+2]

Michael Stewart is a fud of the highest order .

Maybe, but nothing in that quote is incorrect.

[hhibs]

To make that statement I can only assume that you don't have any family/friends in England, Wales or Northern Ireland. Or you never travel outwith Scotland. Or you haven't watched the economic and social carnage caused by Brexit.




Not sure how you can say that about the poster,do not see how you draw that conclusion from that post ??

[Pretty Boy]

I don't remember there being this much fuss when England fans booed Flower of Scotland at Wembley in 1999 or vice versa at Hampden for that matter. It seems like one of those things that has been blown out of all proportion because of social media and everyone having to have their say. In days gone by people might have disliked it happening but actually taking the time to write to a newspaper or whatever to express such an opinion would have been too much effort relative to how much most people really cared. Nowadays you can thump out your opinion within seconds for thousands of people to see. That creates a situation in which people feel the need to defend the behaviour or indulge in whataboutery and it becomes a tedious cyclical argument in which no one is willing to concede any ground, debate ceases and you are either preaching to the converted or shouting at a brick wall.

Fwiw I've always thought of booing anthems as being that kind of pantomime booing that typifies sporting events, particularly football. I daresay that in other environments the same people booing would hold their tongue, even those with genuine moral opposition to the monarchy, rightly or wrongly football is still a bit more 'anything goes'. I actually find the whole 'Lizzies in a box' stuff far more distasteful and embarrassing than the booing of an anthem. I'd extend that to glorifying or celebrating death in general for the purposes of 'winding up the other lot'. Be that signing about the late Queen, Ron Gordon, Wallace Mercer, Jimmy Bell or those lost at Munich and Hillsborough. It's really lowest common denominator stuff and defending or excusing one whilst making excuses for another leads to the entirely fair accusation of hypocrisy.

I enjoyed watching the game the other night with a mixture of Scottish and English people, there was a bit of good natured banter and the Scots among us took the post match slagging in the manner it was intended. Sadly there seems to be a bit of toxicity that goes beyond sporting rivalry for a few people on both sides, inevitable of course but sad all the same.

[Stairway 2 7]

Discussions on twitter and a lesser extent here make me want to be staunch yes and no at the same time. Just so I can be separate from the nutters on both sides of the argument. Glad there's a real game on Saturday so we can go back to talking about the cabbage

[Lago]

We should stop playing England altogether. It just screws everyone up.

Agree, also we never laid a glove on them always felt they had another couple gears in reserve.

[jakeshibs]

Absolutely no issue at all with booing GSTK.

Think Michael Stewart is on the money here:

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23786363.michael-stewart-hits-back-critics-scotland-boos/?fbclid=IwAR1MA1iP_OqMWB2MnCO8RuGvq8FcWJlMMdLAjoBe DUn0azT4MbIFuONmr4k

"GSTK can not be the English and British national anthem. This is the crux of the issue.

"England is not Britain but on many fronts it either acts like it is or it’s facilitated that way. That's disrespectful and unacceptable, it’s also not sustainable."

A sizeable portion of us want absolutely nothing to do with the UK (which is really just England by proxy), their foreign policy, triumphalism and their monarchy.

I'll boo any song representing that.

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booing any national anthem is terrible and unwanted in football

[DinkyTwo]

booing any national anthem is terrible and unwanted in footballThere's always an exception.

An anthem glorifying institutionalised inequality, that's also forced on us as being a UK member state, is one of those for me.

Appreciate that folks might feel differently and that is also ok.

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[easty]

booing any national anthem is terrible and unwanted in football

:boo hoo:

Booing GSTK is 100% wanted in football for me.

[Callyballybe]

As has been mentioned already, regardless of your feelings about booing other peoples national anthems, this is as much an English thing as it is a Scottish thing. The faux outrage on social media and by some pundits down south is pathetic. I don't remember the same outcry when we drew 0-0 at Wembley in 2021. Their response to FoS was, and always is, very similar!

[gbhibby]

booing any national anthem is terrible and unwanted in football

Been going on as long as I can remember. The English need to have their own anthem GSTK should only be played at the Olympic s etc when we all join up as a GB team.

[The Modfather]

booing any national anthem is terrible and unwanted in football

It’s just pantomime football pettiness against a rival, who do it in return for the same reasons. Similar to derbies at Tynecastle and us singing a derogatory version of the hearts song they sing at half time.

[jakeshibs]

There's always an exception.

An anthem glorifying institutionalised inequality, that's also forced on us as being a UK member state, is one of those for me.

Appreciate that folks might feel differently and that is also ok.

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We are Scottish/British and that is also our anthem and is not forced on us, how does it glorify institutionalised equality?

[jakeshibs]

:boo hoo:

Booing GSTK is 100% wanted in football for me.

Disgusting and disrespectful,

[marinello59]

As has been mentioned already, regardless of your feelings about booing other peoples national anthems, this is as much an English thing as it is a Scottish thing. The faux outrage on social media and by some pundits down south is pathetic. I don't remember the same outcry when we drew 0-0 at Wembley in 2021. Their response to FoS was, and always is, very similar!

I’d just stop playing them, there really is no need for them these days.

[Kato]

We are Scottish/British and that is also our anthem and is not forced on us, how does it glorify institutionalised equality?It's an anthem all about one person, not the Nation, not the people of the Nation but one person. That person, it has been decided (for us), is better and more worthy than everyone else and that we have to look up to, bow and curtsy to and pay for the privilege of doing so. All because their ancestors were bloodthirsty power grabbers.

Does that sound like equality to you?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Disgusting and disrespectful,



boooooooooooooooooo


ram the crooked one

[HNA12]

This is rapidly becoming Holy Ground only material. If it gets stuck in a political loop we’ll close it.

[DinkyTwo]

We are Scottish/British and that is also our anthem and is not forced on us, how does it glorify institutionalised equality?It's a song paying homage to a Queen / King reigning over the British Isles and symbolic head of the Commonwealth. Places that were mostly colonised by the British Empire, which was hardly a democratic process.

Back to the present day, the King / Queen is still in that position of wealth, power and luxury due to virtue of birth or marrying into the correct family.

Edit: just seen the admin warning. I'll take some responsibility for the derail and now bow out of the discussion.

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[Stairway 2 7]

This is rapidly becoming Holy Ground only material. If it gets stuck in a political loop we’ll close it.

It's would just be the same boring groundhog day argument if it was sent there also

[Mick O'Rourke]

Years since I heard Football Crazy..Love it.

I agree with binning Flower of Scotland. Awful on so many levels.

Return to Scotland the Brave which was the tune played when i first went to Hampden for England game in 1966.
I recall in the 70s ,song sheets with FoS lyrics being handed out at Wembley.
Flower of Scotland is a funeral march comparing it to the rousing Scotland the Brave .

England can have Billy Connolly's choice .. the theme tune to The Archers radio show.
The opening lyrics are quite simple
La de da de da de da (repeat ad nauseam)
Jerusalem to replace GSTK at England games ?
Jerusalem was seen as a socialist anthem to many when i was younger and long before that.
It use to be sung at British Labour Party conferences.
Some Scottish socialists wouldnae sing it though !
"The Internationale" right enough !
I cant imagine some of the fascists who go round Europe following Engurland singing the hymn,Jerusalem.
Doubt they would get its meaning anyway.

When gstk was played at Hampden,instead of booing....
Had the Tartan Army sang "Charlie is ma Darling", that would have confused the English pundits !!

[Lago]

This is rapidly becoming Holy Ground only material. If it gets stuck in a political loop we’ll close it.
Sooner the better :aok:

[overdrive]

Away from the anthem debate, I see Harry Maguire’s mum has come out and said people need to stop being negative about him and ridiculing him. His mum defends better than him, it seems.

:faf:

[Scouse Hibee]

Away from the anthem debate, I see Harry Maguire’s mum has come out and said people need to stop being negative about him and ridiculing him. His mum defends better than him, it seems.

:faf:

I agree, the media witch hunt which has developed over the last couple of years towards Maguire is disgusting.

[MWHIBBIES]

Disgusting and disrespectful,

Yes, that's exactly what the royal family are.

[Smartie]

I agree, the media witch hunt which has developed over the last couple of years towards Maguire is disgusting.

I agree, it's been brutal.

I think controversial players playing for England at Hampden and Scotland at Wembley need to accept a bit of "treatment" from the home crowd but the wider treatment of him has been disgraceful.

Other than the comedy own goal he actually played very well the other night. He needs to get out of Man United where it's never going to turn for him and get back to playing at the sort of level that got him signed by them and earning all those England caps in the first place. He's potentially a cracking signing for a team just below the very top ones who might have aspirations to climb up the way.

[Stairway 2 7]

I agree, the media witch hunt which has developed over the last couple of years towards Maguire is disgusting.

I think pish players have always been ripped. Torto got slated and he wasn't that bad for our level. Difference is Maguire can walk of into the sun in 5 years with tens of millions in the bank

[Pretty Boy]

I agree, the media witch hunt which has developed over the last couple of years towards Maguire is disgusting.

I feel sorry for him.

I think it's something very British that the press like to build someone up then tear them down ruthlessly. At the last WC when England were riding high he was a bit of a national darling when he was pictured riding the inflatable unicorn in the pool after training and kissing his wife pre and post match. Ultimately he didn't ask anyone to pay £80M for him but when you add on the EPL to EPL 'tax' then you can see how it happened. The move to United hasn't worked out but the vitriol aimed at him has gone beyond criticism and even mockery and into outright bullying. Players have always got the treatment but with Maguire it goes way beyond that.

You can almost understand how that happens among fans but it's being led by people who really should know better, including ex players. Best thing he could do is get the **** out of England for a few years. Worked wonders for someone like Chris Smalling, he was also a bit of a figure of ridicule and now he has 140+ appearances for Roma under his belt, has not long signed a new contract and has a European trophy in the cabinet.

[Scouse Hibee]

I think pish players have always been ripped. Torto got slated and he wasn't that bad for our level. Difference is Maguire can walk of into the sun in 5 years with tens of millions in the bank

Has nothing to do with cash, the treatment is disgraceful. Gods knows where is he mentally with it all.

[Keith_M]

Has nothing to do with cash, the treatment is disgraceful. Gods knows where is he mentally with it all.


:agree:

[Pretty Boy]

I think pish players have always been ripped. Torto got slated and he wasn't that bad for our level. Difference is Maguire can walk of into the sun in 5 years with tens of millions in the bank

Have you ever hear Joe Tortolano talk about what the abuse from Hibs fans did to him mentally? Poor guy really struggled with it and said being booed as his name was read out pre match made him a nervous wreck and it became a viscous cycle.

[WeeRussell]

Have you ever hear Joe Tortolano talk about what the abuse from Hibs fans did to him mentally? Poor guy really struggled with it and said being booed as his name was read out pre match made him a nervous wreck and it became a viscous cycle.

Getting stick and sticky at the same time cannot have been easy.

[Stairway 2 7]

Have you ever hear Joe Tortolano talk about what the abuse from Hibs fans did to him mentally? Poor guy really struggled with it and said being booed as his name was read out pre match made him a nervous wreck and it became a viscous cycle.

Yeah spoke to him about it and heard him at St pats talk. It's self defeating booing your own players I never have and try to shout it down. People will always mock opposition players though its the nature of the game. We should be able to criticise poor play but the abuse should go to the manager who picks the player. Players don't chose to be crap.

[overdrive]

Yeah spoke to him about it and heard him at St pats talk. It's self defeating booing your own players I never have and try to shout it down. People will always mock opposition players though its the nature of the game. We should be able to criticise poor play but the abuse should go to the manager who picks the player. Players don't chose to be crap.

I think this is quite pertinent in the Maguire situation. I think Southgate is somewhat chucking him under the bus by constantly picking him for England when he isn't playing for his club.

[Winston Ingram]

I think this is quite pertinent in the Maguire situation. I think Southgate is somewhat chucking him under the bus by constantly picking him for England when he isn't playing for his club.

The problem with this is Maguire’s England selection is that he’s been outstanding for them.

He’s been in the last 2 teams of the Tournament for the Euros/World Cup.

[Since90+2]

I think pish players have always been ripped. Torto got slated and he wasn't that bad for our level. Difference is Maguire can walk of into the sun in 5 years with tens of millions in the bank

Money has nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter how much money you have if you are continually mocked and humiliated it's going to effect you.

[Lancs Harp]

Anyway moving on ...... killie saturday. :)

[Stairway 2 7]

Money has nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter how much money you have if you are continually mocked and humiliated it's going to effect you.

I didn't say it stops it affecting you I said the difference is torto had to get jobs after football with the people mocking him, Maguire will be able to be away from the geeks online. He'll also have good media and psychological training at Man U. He's obviously not a bad player just not world class like the media built him up to be. He'd do well at a wes ham ect

[Stairway 2 7]

Anyway moving on ...... killie saturday. :)

3 nil hibs

[Since90+2]

I didn't say it stops it affecting you I said the difference is torto had to get jobs after football with the people mocking him, Maguire will be able to be away from the geeks online. He'll also have good media and psychological training at Man U. He's obviously not a bad player just not world class like the media built him up to be. He'd do well at a wes ham ect

I'm not sure why you mentioned him, money and 5 years time then. It genuinely has no relevance to how the guy might be feeling now.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm not sure why you mentioned him, money and 5 years time then. It genuinely has no relevance to how the guy might be feeling now.

I literally just said above I was comparing him to torto who said it was brutal getting ripped at work. Maguire will be able to walk away a millionaire whilst his detractors will still be grafting, I'm sure he'll smile about that

[Since90+2]

I literally just said above I was comparing him to torto who said it was brutal getting ripped at work. Maguire will be able to walk away a millionaire whilst his detractors will still be grafting, I'm sure he'll smile about that

I'm pretty sure he won't be smiling about it.

[Glory Lurker]

I'm with Maguire's mum on this. I felt really sorry for him on Tuesday.

[chrisski33]

Cant believe the fuss over the booing at the anthem. What did folk expect when its Scotland vs England? The English are hypercrits and seem to forget they boo anthems, even Liverpool fabs booed the GSK anthem. England should really have its own anthem at these games sometging like Land of hope amd glory or Jerusalem. Scotland should stick to Flower of Scotland, Scotland the Brave is pish (in my humble opinion)

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm with Maguire's mum on this. I felt really sorry for him on Tuesday.

I just don't get what fans think it'll do for your team. Hibs fans did it to James Scott recently.

Thankfully Maguire seems to be pretty smart and switched on. He said it affects his family but not him as he doesn't read the stuff online and fans don't really know what they are talking about, article discusses it

https://archive.ph/VTvNE

[He's here!]

The problem with this is Maguire’s England selection is that he’s been outstanding for them.

He’s been in the last 2 teams of the Tournament for the Euros/World Cup.

Southgate gets a lot of flak himself for picking him. In fact Southgate gets an absurd amount of flak full stop despite the outstanding job he's done.

I didn't watch the Scotland England game but Maguire was reportedly excellent, which pretty much justifies his selection.

From a distance of 30 plus years I now find the flak Tortolano took bewildering. He wasn't even a particularly poor player and he could even be pretty good. He always gave his all and I like to think he's now held in some affection. There have been countless worse since him.

[JimBHibees]

Return to Scotland the Brave which was the tune played when i first went to Hampden for England game in 1966.
I recall in the 70s ,song sheets with FoS lyrics being handed out at Wembley.
Flower of Scotland is a funeral march comparing it to the rousing Scotland the Brave .

England can have Billy Connolly's choice .. the theme tune to The Archers radio show.
The opening lyrics are quite simple
La de da de da de da (repeat ad nauseam)
Jerusalem to replace GSTK at England games ?
Jerusalem was seen as a socialist anthem to many when i was younger and long before that.
It use to be sung at British Labour Party conferences.
Some Scottish socialists wouldnae sing it though !
"The Internationale" right enough !
I cant imagine some of the fascists who go round Europe following Engurland singing the hymn,Jerusalem.
Doubt they would get its meaning anyway.

When gstk was played at Hampden,instead of booing....
Had the Tartan Army sang "Charlie is ma Darling", that would have confused the English pundits !!

Are you sure pretty much remember Scotlands national anthem being God save the queen?
Wonder when that changed. Seems to suggest here we stopped singing it in 1982 World Cup. Interesting discussion in the article and the politics at play.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/how-scotland-the-brave-sparked-a-row-when-sfa-called-tune-over-world-cup-1734894

[BoltonHibee]

I can remember Scotland the Brave replacing GSTQ, I’m sure. GSTQ was booed from when I was going to Scotland games and that would have been early 70’s. ( when it was played prior to our games). I think it was mid 70’s it changed, No?


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[BILLYHIBS]

Found the booing of Harry Maguire strange but weirdly quite funny

In fairness I thought he handled it quite well but it must have been difficult for him

Played well apart from his own goal

I thought the boy Lewis Dunk was a rock for them got in the final touch time and time again

Good player

FWIW I loved Joe Tortolano good player with a mean cross but unlike Harry Maguire you could see the boo boys getting to him and affecting his confidence

[JimBHibees]

Southgate gets a lot of flak himself for picking him. In fact Southgate gets an absurd amount of flak full stop despite the outstanding job he's done.

I didn't watch the Scotland England game but Maguire was reportedly excellent, which pretty much justifies his selection.

From a distance of 30 plus years I now find the flak Tortolano took bewildering. He wasn't even a particularly poor player and he could even be pretty good. He always gave his all and I like to think he's now held in some affection. There have been countless worse since him.

Maguire wasn't excellent passed the ball about under little pressure then scored a lovely own goal

[JimBHibees]

I can remember Scotland the Brave replacing GSTQ, I’m sure. GSTQ was booed from when I was going to Scotland games and that would have been early 70’s. ( when it was played prior to our games). I think it was mid 70’s it changed, No?


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I was thinking that article above seems to suggest 1982 World Cup. Were we still playing it at Argentina World Cup?

[Sl1010]

Michael Stewart is a fud of the highest order .

As are you if you're posting history is anything to go by but here you are.

[WeeRussell]

Found the booing of Harry Maguire strange but weirdly quite funny

In fairness I thought he handled it quite well but it must have been difficult for him

Played well apart from his own goal

I thought the boy Lewis Dunk was a rock for them got in the final touch time and time again

Good player

FWIW I loved Joe Tortolano good player with a mean cross but unlike Harry Maguire you could see the boo boys getting to him and affecting his confidence

Didn’t hear any booing of him, Billy? Just the “whooooooah” and oles as he passed it as if the crowd were anticipating a mistake from him at any point.

[WeeRussell]

Maguire wasn't excellent passed the ball about under little pressure then scored a lovely own goal

Correct. Comfortable enough (apart from the own goal which was a big moment and poor) evening for him, but just because he’s got harsh criticism and media attention doesn’t mean his performances become excellent.

[Kato]

I can remember Scotland the Brave replacing GSTQ, I’m sure. GSTQ was booed from when I was going to Scotland games and that would have been early 70’s. ( when it was played prior to our games). I think it was mid 70’s it changed, No?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDefinitely mid 70s. Scotland The Brave was seen as a bit Kenneth McKeller/shortbread tin. Never Flower of Scotland. A hippy folk dirge IMHO and another song about a monarch.

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[Kato]

I was thinking that article above seems to suggest 1982 World Cup. Were we still playing it at Argentina World Cup?The fans were singing it way before 82.

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[Victor]

God save our gracious King….(what if you don’t believe in God? What are we saving him from?)
Long live our Noble King….(how long is long?)
God save our King………(see line one)
Send him victorious……….(over who, what?)
Happy and glorious……(I would be quite happy if I was worth £18bn)
Long to reign over us…….(see line 2)
God save our King…..(that’s three times now, and I still don’t know what we are saving him from. The press, his brother, his son?)

It’s a pretty nonsensical song that doesn’t convey much about anything. I think they need to bring it into the 21st century. What about a rap version?

[Mick O'Rourke]

Are you sure pretty much remember Scotlands national anthem being God save the queen?
Wonder when that changed. Seems to suggest here we stopped singing it in 1982 World Cup. Interesting discussion in the article and the politics at play.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/how-scotland-the-brave-sparked-a-row-when-sfa-called-tune-over-world-cup-1734894

It was a long time ago .I was only 14 !

Possibly i am recalling the pipe band playing it going round the running track .
Some fans might have joined in the singing of gstq. Old sojers and the like .
Not me.... i would have got thrown out my house if i had.

Anyway ,Scotland the Brave was always my preference, even at Wembley the pipe band always played it, even when FoS became popular . SFA should have kept it rather than jumping on the rugby bandwagon for The Corries hit.
Although some o they posh rugby types ancestors might have been on the other side at Bannockburn !!

[WeeRussell]

God save our gracious King….(what if you don’t believe in God? What are we saving him from?)
Long live our Noble King….(how long is long?)
God save our King………(see line one)
Send him victorious……….(over who, what?)
Happy and glorious……(I would be quite happy if I was worth £18bn)
Long to reign over us…….(see line 2)
God save our King…..(that’s three times now, and I still don’t know what we are saving him from. The press, his brother, his son?)

It’s a pretty nonsensical song that doesn’t convey much about anything. I think they need to bring it into the 21st century. What about a rap version?

Well-in, Victor. That’s genuinely the first time I’ve known as many of the words the song.

[BILLYHIBS]

Didn’t hear any booing of him, Billy? Just the “whooooooah” and oles as he passed it as if the crowd were anticipating a mistake from him at any point.

Correct

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[overdrive]

Found the booing of Harry Maguire strange but weirdly quite funny

In fairness I thought he handled it quite well but it must have been difficult for him

Played well apart from his own goal

I thought the boy Lewis Dunk was a rock for them got in the final touch time and time again

Good player

FWIW I loved Joe Tortolano good player with a mean cross but unlike Harry Maguire you could see the boo boys getting to him and affecting his confidence

I'm not too sure it came across well on TV but it was more Scotland fans than England fans ridiculing him the other night. Every time he got the ball it was deafening in the stadium with the Scotland fans "ooooooohing" then sarcastically cheering when he made a successful pass. When I watched back the goals on TV on Wednesday it just didn't come across as it did in the stadium. It sounded like it might have been a very small section of the crowd, i.e. could be England fans but it was definitely Scotland fans and more than

England fans were singing something about him in between times but we couldn't work out what they were actually saying... we thought they were defending him but it could easily have been a piss take too.

[Since90+2]

I'm not too sure it came across well on TV but it was more Scotland fans than England fans ridiculing him the other night. Every time he got the ball it was deafening in the stadium with the Scotland fans "ooooooohing" then sarcastically cheering when he made a successful pass. When I watched back the goals on TV on Wednesday it just didn't come across as it did in the stadium. It sounded like it might have been a very small section of the crowd, i.e. could be England fans but it was definitely Scotland fans and more than

England fans were singing something about him in between times but we couldn't work out what they were actually saying... we thought they were defending him but it could easily have been a piss take too.

If Scotland fans were slagging Maguire then England fans would have been signing in his defence. Can't imagine they'd have joined in with the Scotland fans

[Mick O'Rourke]

Just off the top o ma head.
Two senior multi capped England players who got the treatment from the Tartan Army back in my day were Bobby Moore and Alan Ball
It was more humour and banter though and i doubt it affected their game much.
Though our own Jim Baxter (Hibs fan) did say Alan Ball wisnae amused when he was likened to 60s comic actor wee Jimmy Clitheroe,he with the squeaky voice.
So not anything like the venom some players get.
Sometimes so close up like they cannot fail to hear individual comments.
Certainly Our Joe T was subject to some awful comments and cowardice tripe that clearly hurt him.
And that for me is forever a shame on the fans who dished it out.
Benny Brazil got it too .

There is banter and there is downright badness towards players at times.
Someone who to go to a game with the purpose of verbally abusing a footballer ..in his own team!! really needs to seek medical attention or stop going to football.
Maybe do the weekly shopping and shout at the ever increasing prices on food,whilst he bangs his trolley into display stands :greengrin

[Betty Boop]

[QUOTE=Sl1010;7468322]As are you if you're posting history is anything to go by but here you are.[/QUOTE
Nae bother yam fudley

[JimBHibees]

The fans were singing it way before 82.

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Singing Scotland the brave? I was talking about when did Scotland stop having GSTQ before games. Article earlier seemed to suggest 1982 World Cup

[Renton1875]

I'm not too sure it came across well on TV but it was more Scotland fans than England fans ridiculing him the other night. Every time he got the ball it was deafening in the stadium with the Scotland fans "ooooooohing" then sarcastically cheering when he made a successful pass. When I watched back the goals on TV on Wednesday it just didn't come across as it did in the stadium. It sounded like it might have been a very small section of the crowd, i.e. could be England fans but it was definitely Scotland fans and more than

England fans were singing something about him in between times but we couldn't work out what they were actually saying... we thought they were defending him but it could easily have been a piss take too.

The England fans were signing "Harry Maguire, he's taking the piss, Harry Maguire, he's taking the piss".

That was before his OG mind you.

[Kato]

Singing Scotland the brave? I was talking about when did Scotland stop having GSTQ before games. Article earlier seemed to suggest 1982 World CupYeah, your probably right but fans were FOS, which is what meant, over the top GSTQ way before then. I can't remember anyone singing Scotland The Brave, it doesn't exactly lend itself to that. All 3 are awful IMHO.

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[Hillsidehibby]

Just off the top o ma head.
Two senior multi capped England players who got the treatment from the Tartan Army back in my day were Bobby Moore and Alan Ball
It was more humour and banter though and i doubt it affected their game much.
Though our own Jim Baxter (Hibs fan) did say Alan Ball wisnae amused when he was likened to 60s comic actor wee Jimmy Clitheroe,he with the squeaky voice.
So not anything like the venom some players get.


Sometimes so close up like they cannot fail to hear individual comments.
Certainly Our Joe T was subject to some awful comments and cowardice tripe that clearly hurt him.
And that for me is forever a shame on the fans who dished it out.
Benny Brazil got it too .

There is banter and there is downright badness towards players at times.
Someone who to go to a game with the purpose of verbally abusing a footballer ..in his own team!! really needs to seek medical attention or stop going to football.
Maybe do the weekly shopping and shout at the ever increasing prices on food,whilst he bangs his trolley into display stands :greengrin

I totally agree the abuse Joe T got was horrendous. I never shouted abuse at any Hibs player then and I don’t now although I have bit my tongue a few times. I actually work beside Joe T and it hasn’t affected him as he gives us stick plenty of times and good craic

[A Hi-Bee]

God save our gracious King….(what if you don’t believe in God? What are we saving him from?)
Long live our Noble King….(how long is long?)
God save our King………(see line one)
Send him victorious……….(over who, what?)
Happy and glorious……(I would be quite happy if I was worth £18bn)
Long to reign over us…….(see line 2)
God save our King…..(that’s three times now, and I still don’t know what we are saving him from. The press, his brother, his son?)

It’s a pretty nonsensical song that doesn’t convey much about anything. I think they need to bring it into the 21st century. What about a rap version?

Ha, and pretty sure it was written by a Scotsman as well.
It's a game of football and people will sing what they want, most only sing when they are winning anyway.
:greengrin:greengrin

[tonyrougier123]

God save our gracious King….(what if you don’t believe in God? What are we saving him from?)
Long live our Noble King….(how long is long?)
God save our King………(see line one)
Send him victorious……….(over who, what?)
Happy and glorious……(I would be quite happy if I was worth £18bn)
Long to reign over us…….(see line 2)
God save our King…..(that’s three times now, and I still don’t know what we are saving him from. The press, his brother, his son?)

It’s a pretty nonsensical song that doesn’t convey much about anything. I think they need to bring it into the 21st century. What about a rap version?

Drill rap London style fam. 😎

[DIXIHIBS]

I can remember Scotland the Brave replacing GSTQ, I’m sure. GSTQ was booed from when I was going to Scotland games and that would have been early 70’s. ( when it was played prior to our games). I think it was mid 70’s it changed, No?


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GSTQ was played until 1982 world cup i think. Then it was changed to scotland the brave. 1997 before FOS was officially used by SFA. (wiki). First went to hampden mid 70s and although GSTQ was played before game, it was either booed or FOS sung by fans to drown it out. Mccoist's SNP comments are just nonsense.

[keep the faith]

This is a very strange one...

I watched the match live and also recorded it on ch4 through sky.
I went back earlier today to look at the national anthems again and they were gone!

Thought I had lost the plot and have repeatedly checked. The teams line up and then immediate it moves to them shaking hands, the silence for craig brown, then kick off! Surely they haven't deleted the anthems because of the booing??
If anyone else has recorded the live game can you confirm if it's just a glitch on mine or if the anthems are now gone??

[NAE NOOKIE]

The English commonwealth games team use Jerusalem as their anthem because at the games they are representing England, not Britain.
Perhaps the English FA need to take a leaf from their book.

As for GSTK itself. In what way does it represent the people or the land in which they live, be that Britain or England? It was written at a very different time, when deference to 'your betters' was seen as the natural order of things and king and country were seen as indivisible entities, where patriotic loyalty to one without the other was an unfathomable concept.

We now live in a very different society and for so long as there is the need for a 'British' national anthem ( not much longer hopefully ) its long past time this current dirge, which is nothing less than forelock tugging to your 'betters' set to music, was consigned to the dustbin of history where it truly belonged way before now.

On that note .. the dirge that for some reason we currently use should be consigned to that very same bin. We have some pretty decent songwriters in this country, perhaps it's time for a competition with the caveats being ... no mention of religion, no mention of long dead or current royalty, no mention of battles fought long ago, nothing that will make it unpalatable to anybody and for goodness sake make it upbeat like the Italian national anthem :greengrin

[overdrive]

This is a very strange one...

I watched the match live and also recorded it on ch4 through sky.
I went back earlier today to look at the national anthems again and they were gone!

Thought I had lost the plot and have repeatedly checked. The teams line up and then immediate it moves to them shaking hands, the silence for craig brown, then kick off! Surely they haven't deleted the anthems because of the booing??
If anyone else has recorded the live game can you confirm if it's just a glitch on mine or if the anthems are now gone??

Still there on my recording on Virgin.

Edit: still there on the Channel 4 app too

[Mick O'Rourke]

I totally agree the abuse Joe T got was horrendous. I never shouted abuse at any Hibs player then and I don’t now although I have bit my tongue a few times. I actually work beside Joe T and it hasn’t affected him as he gives us stick plenty of times and good craic

Say hi to Super joe from me:aok:
I though he served the club well and was a true professional, when fit ....Even in Testimonial matches:greengrin
On that ,did Joe get a testimonial match ?

Super Joe reveals all in this link

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/interview-hibs-cult-hero-joe-tortolano-on-why-he-considered-ending-it-all-547584

[He's here!]

Say hi to Super joe from me:aok:
I though he served the club well and was a true professional, when fit ....Even in Testimonial matches:greengrin
On that ,did Joe get a testimonial match ?

Super Joe reveals all in this link

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/interview-hibs-cult-hero-joe-tortolano-on-why-he-considered-ending-it-all-547584

A good read, although the writer's got the date wrong about Rae's testimonial. It was in 1988, very much during Super Joe's time as a Hibs player not a swansong return.

[Hibees1973]

Say hi to Super joe from me:aok:
I though he served the club well and was a true professional, when fit ....Even in Testimonial matches:greengrin
On that ,did Joe get a testimonial match ?

Super Joe reveals all in this link

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/interview-hibs-cult-hero-joe-tortolano-on-why-he-considered-ending-it-all-547584

Still clearly remember to this day when Joe halfed Strachan in two. Silence in the stadium was deafening.

[blackpoolhibs]

I wonder how Jimmy Hills mother felt about the Scottish support? :wink:

[WeeRussell]

Each to their own but never get the issue with Flower of Scotland. Seems to have become fashionable to call it a “dirge” but personally see it as a good Scottish folk song that is always belted out with emotion at Scotland games.

The vast majority of those that attend Scotland games seem happy with it, and it’s not offensive. Does for me.

They’re national anthems, they don’t have to be anything else.

Do any countries ever change them other than for political reasons?

[JimBHibees]

Each to their own but never get the issue with Flower of Scotland. Seems to have become fashionable to call it a “dirge” but personally see it as a good Scottish folk song that is always belted out with emotion at Scotland games.

The vast majority of those that attend Scotland games seem happy with it, and it’s not offensive. Does for me.

They’re national anthems, they don’t have to be anything else.

Do any countries ever change them other than for political reasons?

Yeah I like it too and it is sung brilliantly at Murrayfield for the rugby.

[Scouse Hibee]

Yeah I like it too and it is sung brilliantly at Murrayfield for the rugby.

Yeah I like it too, a great song.

[WeeRussell]

Absolutely no issue at all with booing GSTK.

Think Michael Stewart is on the money here:

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23786363.michael-stewart-hits-back-critics-scotland-boos/?fbclid=IwAR1MA1iP_OqMWB2MnCO8RuGvq8FcWJlMMdLAjoBe DUn0azT4MbIFuONmr4k

"GSTK can not be the English and British national anthem. This is the crux of the issue.

"England is not Britain but on many fronts it either acts like it is or it’s facilitated that way. That's disrespectful and unacceptable, it’s also not sustainable."

A sizeable portion of us want absolutely nothing to do with the UK (which is really just England by proxy), their foreign policy, triumphalism and their monarchy.

I'll boo any song representing that.

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I wonder if ‘Coisty’ and all those up in arms are as disgusted at the England fans booing flower of Scotland at the same match. You just don’t hear it as well when the home crowd are singing their anthem.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I wonder how Jimmy Hills mother felt about the Scottish support? :wink:

She was a modern mum. She supported Jimmy :greengrin

Jimmy himself laughed it off .
It think it stemmed from him describing David Narey's goal against Brazil at the 1982 WC finals in Spain as a "toe poke"

From his wiki page
Narey of Dundee Utd plyed in both the 1982 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_FIFA_World_Cup) and 1986 FIFA World Cups (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FIFA_World_Cup) and scored his only international goal during the 1982 tournament, a long range shot against Brazil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_national_football_team).
Television pundit Jimmy Hill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hill) upset Scottish fans by describing the goal as a "toe poke".
By contrast The Glasgow Herald (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Herald_(Glasgow)) correspondent at the match, Jim Reynolds, described Narey's goal as
"a wonderful right-foot shot which no goalkeeper in the world would have stopped."
In 2018, the BBC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) named the goal as number 16 in their 50 Great World Cup moments.


Could you just imagine such a chant nowadays,though ?
Oh ! of course we can.... Our not so noisy neighbours do it to us !!
Its just laughed off these days at the CC Blooms HSC :greengrin

[Kato]

She was a modern mum. She supported Jimmy :greengrin

Jimmy himself laughed it off .
It think it stemmed from him describing David Narey's goal against Brazil at the 1982 WC finals in Spain as a "toe poke"

From his wiki page
Narey of Dundee Utd plyed in both the 1982 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_FIFA_World_Cup) and 1986 FIFA World Cups (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FIFA_World_Cup) and scored his only international goal during the 1982 tournament, a long range shot against Brazil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_national_football_team).
Television pundit Jimmy Hill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hill) upset Scottish fans by describing the goal as a "toe poke".
By contrast The Glasgow Herald (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Herald_(Glasgow)) correspondent at the match, Jim Reynolds, described Narey's goal as
"a wonderful right-foot shot which no goalkeeper in the world would have stopped."
In 2018, the BBC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) named the goal as number 16 in their 50 Great World Cup moments.


Could you just imagine such a chant nowadays,though ?
Oh ! of course we can.... Our not so noisy neighbours do it to us !!
Its just laughed off these days at the CC Blooms HSC :greengrinScots fans were slating Hill way before 82. I stopped going around 83 and the "Jimmy Hill song " was well entrenched.

We actually spoke to him before Wembley 79 and he was nice as ninepence and wished us luck.

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[weecounty hibby]

I wonder if ‘Coisty’ and all those up in arms are as disgusted at the England fans booing flower of Scotland at the same match. You just don’t hear it as well when the home crowd are singing their anthem.
We are definitely getting into Holy Ground territory but a more pertinent question is why McCoist never got this wound up when playing week in week out in front of fans singing anti Irish, anti Catholic songs while glorifying terrorists and people being murdered.

[WeeRussell]

We are definitely getting into Holy Ground territory but a more pertinent question is why McCoist never got this wound up when playing week in week out in front of fans singing anti Irish, anti Catholic songs while glorifying terrorists and people being murdered.

Agreed - all round.

[Kato]

We are definitely getting into Holy Ground territory but a more pertinent question is why McCoist never got this wound up when playing week in week out in front of fans singing anti Irish, anti Catholic songs while glorifying terrorists and people being murdered.Pertinent point and a question he will never be asked.

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[tamig]

Scots fans were slating Hill way before 82. I stopped going around 83 and the "Jimmy Hill song " was well entrenched.

We actually spoke to him before Wembley 79 and he was nice as ninepence and wished as us luck.

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Exactly. In the 70s the (in)famous song of “We hate Jimmy Hill, he’s a ****, he’s a ***** “ was belted out with gusto.

[Glory Lurker]

We actually spoke to him before Wembley 79 and he was nice as ninepence and wished us luck.

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I never met him but it's undeniable that he was a complete football man. Had a huge impact on the game with his trade unionism, qualified ref, Coventry chairman and great football broadcaster.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/36327548

[Keith_M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/36327548


Watching McCoist on that clip made me realise I hate him more than I ever hated Jimmy Hill.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I never met him but it's undeniable that he was a complete football man. Had a huge impact on the game with his trade unionism, qualified ref, Coventry chairman and great football broadcaster.

Thats how i remember Jimmy.
And in hindsight i dont think his description of Narey's goal was meant in a bad way.
He called a spade a spade in his opinions on football in general too.
Wisnae a brown noser that would toe (no pun) the party line like we see now because of the cash they get from broadcasters.

Got this from his wiki page

While long regarded as a cornerstone of televised football in England, Hill was often held in disdain by Scottish football fans, who regularly sang derisory songs about him.
Seen by them as being belittling and dismissive about Scottish football, Hill said in 1982 in an interview with the Glasgow Evening Times, "In no way am I anti-Scots, although I know that's how I'm looked on.
I think that as a nation you need somebody to hate, and I seem to fit the bill pretty well."


I dont think it was disdain either.
Like Bobby Moore,Alan Ball back then we just had/needed someone to boo .
Why? cos they were good at what they did !

[Mick O'Rourke]

Watching McCoist on that clip made me realise I hate him more than I ever hated Jimmy Hill.

100%

[A Hi-Bee]

Watching McCoist on that clip made me realise I hate him more than I ever hated Jimmy Hill.

:faf: :top marks been saying for years, as for Jimmy Hill he did a hell of a lot for the game, the players have a lot to thank him and Johnny Haynes for when it came to wages etc.
He also chuckled at the banter, if you can call it that.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Exactly. In the 70s the (in)famous song of “We hate Jimmy Hill, he’s a ****, he’s a ***** “ was belted out with gusto.

Yes I was at all the "Wembleys" from 69 to the 80s and like you i heard it.
It got even more frequently sung after his Narey comments.
Even after he left our TV screens !!
I think Jimmy Hill was a real good football pundit.
Of course he was English. But he knew the game inside out.
Shrewd wise man was ole Jimmy Hill . I liked him.