Imaginative referee appointments

[Conj]

Last season Hibs v Livingston at Easter Road was referred by Craig Napier when Holt was sent off, this season (last week) Hibs v Livingston at Easter Road was referred by Craig Napier.

Last season Hibs v Aberdeen at Pitoddrie was referred by David Munro when he gave a penalty for Duk’e dive, this season (this Sunday) Hibs v Aberdeen at Pitoddrie wil be referred by …. That’s right David Munro.

Now I get there are only a limited amount of referees in the league but are the SFA really that hard pushed that they can’t vary which referee does which games from season to season?

[MelbourneHibees]

Last season Hibs v Livingston at Easter Road was referred by Craig Napier when Holt was sent off, this season (last week) Hibs v Livingston at Easter Road was referred by Craig Napier.

Last season Hibs v Aberdeen at Pitoddrie was referred by David Munro when he gave a penalty for Duk’e dive, this season (this Sunday) Hibs v Aberdeen at Pitoddrie wil be referred by …. That’s right David Munro.

Now I get there are only a limited amount of referees in the league but are the SFA really that hard pushed that they can’t vary which referee does which games from season to season?

I doubt thats something they look at tbh. They are all as bad as each other anyway.

[Callum_62]

I doubt thats something they look at tbh. They are all as bad as each other anyway.

That's not true and why some ref never get Celtic or Rangers games

A point I think that should be clearly explained to the supporters

[HoboHarry]

That's not true and why some ref never get Celtic or Rangers games

A point I think that should be clearly explained to the supporters
Some may be better than others or even attend better lodges at the weekend, but Scotland is consistently providing no referees for the World Cup & Euros and yet they continue on doing the same thing.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Some may be better than others or even attend better lodges at the weekend, but Scotland is consistently providing no referees for the World Cup & Euros and yet they continue on doing the same thing.

True isn't it :agree:

We can't even claim it's bias against smaller leagues, you get refs from Croatia, Greece, Norway, Denmark whatever given Euros and World Cup games. The SFA / SPFL can ignore the fans in this country all they want, but we can point to UEFA and FIFA and make the valid suggestion that they agree with us.

Here's some of the refs who took games in Qatar:

Ivan Barton ....... Slovenia
Chris Beath ........ Australia
Matthew Conger .. New Zealand
Marion Escobar ... Guatemala
Salima Mukansanga .. Rwanda
Mohammed Abdulla Mohammed ... UAE

You would think UEFA / FIFA would prefer refs from countries who didn't make the finals for obvious reasons, all the more reason to ask why Scottish refs don't feature.

The only folk dumb enough not to think there's a problem here are the folk running our game ... literally everybody else seems to think there is.

[BILLYHIBS]

Last season Hibs v Livingston at Easter Road was referred by Craig Napier when Holt was sent off, this season (last week) Hibs v Livingston at Easter Road was referred by Craig Napier.

Last season Hibs v Aberdeen at Pitoddrie was referred by David Munro when he gave a penalty for Duk’e dive, this season (this Sunday) Hibs v Aberdeen at Pitoddrie wil be referred by …. That’s right David Munro.

Now I get there are only a limited amount of referees in the league but are the SFA really that hard pushed that they can’t vary which referee does which games from season to season?

Craig Napier also sent off Jimmy Jeggo at St Johnstone and was later rescinded

The man’s a balloon I tell ye a balloon !

[Alfred E Newman]

That's not true and why some ref never get Celtic or Rangers games

A point I think that should be clearly explained to the supporters

It’s quite clear they could not cope with an old firm game or Edinburgh derby. A ref like Napier would be completely out of his depth in fact, he is out of his depth full stop.

[Conj]

I don’t mean to go on about this but it does concern me, it cannot simply be coincidence.

Last season when we played Kilmarnock at Rugby Park (lost to Armstrong penalty), David Dickinson was the referee, he was also the referee last weekend. When St Johnstone played at Easter Road last season, first VAR game on the Friday night, Kevin Clancy was the referee, and he will also be the referee this Saturday.

[WeeRussell]

Funny that. But why does it concern you out of interest? What difference does it make?

[PatHead]

What concerns me about Scottish refereeing is that far too many come from the west coast and a certain referee is deemed not good enough for games involving the old firm but good enough for the other teams.

[Conj]

The concern is more around how little thought seems to go into allocating the games to referees, it cannot be healthy to have the same referee continually appointed to the same game year on year. We all know that referees do not face any consequences for the standard of their officiating but for so little care to go into the appointments just stinks of an even bigger lack of interest for the authorities.
If Sky are only allowed to show a certain number of games from each stadium, then referees should only be allowed to take charge of a certain number of games per club.
I can understand only having the most experienced referees for higher profile games, Glasgow & Edinburgh derbies but they should be on some sort of rota basis and so should every other game in the league.

[wookie70]

I'd argue plenty care goes into referee appointments.


The concern is more around how little thought seems to go into allocating the games to referees, it cannot be healthy to have the same referee continually appointed to the same game year on year. We all know that referees do not face any consequences for the standard of their officiating but for so little care to go into the appointments just stinks of an even bigger lack of interest for the authorities.
If Sky are only allowed to show a certain number of games from each stadium, then referees should only be allowed to take charge of a certain number of games per club.
I can understand only having the most experienced referees for higher profile games, Glasgow & Edinburgh derbies but they should be on some sort of rota basis and so should every other game in the league.

[delbert]

What concerns me about Scottish refereeing is that far too many come from the west coast and a certain referee is deemed not good enough for games involving the old firm but good enough for the other teams.

The only referees allocated Premier League games in Scotland come from Glasgow, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire, the other 10 associations are currently sidelined, I’ve mentioned this before and it’s currently a fact, Clancy trains in Edinburgh but is a Glasgow referee

[HoboHarry]

The only referees allocated Premier League games in Scotland come from Glasgow, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire, the other 10 associations are currently sidelined, I’ve mentioned this before and it’s currently a fact, Clancy trains in Edinburgh but is a Glasgow referee
I've said the same thing many times. The notion that the other associations up north for example have no good referees is fanciful. It's interesting to me that the clubs don't make it a a bigger deal about getting actual quality referees, maybe they think the additional travel expenses outweigh have a decent product dressed in black.

[JimBHibees]

The only referees allocated Premier League games in Scotland come from Glasgow, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire, the other 10 associations are currently sidelined, I’ve mentioned this before and it’s currently a fact, Clancy trains in Edinburgh but is a Glasgow referee

Closed shop basically and Clancy heads up one of the most powerful refereeing organisations. In a hundred years of Scottish football only one Edinburgh ref got the Scottish cup final. Seems very normal

[JimBHibees]

I've said the same thing many times. The notion that the other associations up north for example have no good referees is fanciful. It's interesting to me that the clubs don't make it a a bigger deal about getting actual quality referees, maybe they think the additional travel expenses outweigh have a decent product dressed in black.

Yes surprise clubs don’t kick up more though don’t think it works if you aren’t one of the OF.

[007]

Closed shop basically and Clancy heads up one of the most powerful refereeing organisations. In a hundred years of Scottish football only one Edinburgh ref got the Scottish cup final. Seems very normal

Was that the Hearts supporting ref that denied them a stonewall penalty in '86 because he didn't want to look dodgy?

[HoboHarry]

Closed shop basically and Clancy heads up one of the most powerful refereeing organisations. In a hundred years of Scottish football only one Edinburgh ref got the Scottish cup final. Seems very normal
Or just rotten to the core.

[JimBHibees]

Or just rotten to the core.

Indeed

[JimBHibees]

Was that the Hearts supporting ref that denied them a stonewall penalty in '86 because he didn't want to look dodgy?

Not sure it was Crombie don't think he had a final. George Smith maybe

Was Smith astoundingly was the first Edinburgh referee to get a Scottish cup final in 1980 :greengrin

https://www.scotsman.com/news/obituaries/appreciation-george-smith-scottish-referee-loved-and-respected-for-conduct-on-and-off-the-pitch-1416591

[PatHead]

True isn't it :agree:

We can't even claim it's bias against smaller leagues, you get refs from Croatia, Greece, Norway, Denmark whatever given Euros and World Cup games. The SFA / SPFL can ignore the fans in this country all they want, but we can point to UEFA and FIFA and make the valid suggestion that they agree with us.

Here's some of the refs who took games in Qatar:

Ivan Barton ....... Slovenia
Chris Beath ........ Australia
Matthew Conger .. New Zealand
Marion Escobar ... Guatemala
Salima Mukansanga .. Rwanda
Mohammed Abdulla Mohammed ... UAE

You would think UEFA / FIFA would prefer refs from countries who didn't make the finals for obvious reasons, all the more reason to ask why Scottish refs don't feature.

The only folk dumb enough not to think there's a problem here are the folk running our game ... literally everybody else seems to think there is.

I seem to remember that Scottish referees were not allowed to officiate at the World Cup due to lack of experience of VAR at the time referees were being proposed.

[McD]

The only referees allocated Premier League games in Scotland come from Glasgow, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire, the other 10 associations are currently sidelined, I’ve mentioned this before and it’s currently a fact, Clancy trains in Edinburgh but is a Glasgow referee

You don’t even need to say currently, been like that for a very long time

[SChibs]

I don’t mean to go on about this but it does concern me, it cannot simply be coincidence.

Last season when we played Kilmarnock at Rugby Park (lost to Armstrong penalty), David Dickinson was the referee, he was also the referee last weekend. When St Johnstone played at Easter Road last season, first VAR game on the Friday night, Kevin Clancy was the referee, and he will also be the referee this Saturday.

I wonder if any of it is down to logistics. I'm sure Clancy lives in Edinburgh

[JimBHibees]

You don’t even need to say currently, been like that for a very long time

Change very long time for ever :greengrin

[SickBoy32]

I seem to remember that Scottish referees were not allowed to officiate at the World Cup due to lack of experience of VAR at the time referees were being proposed.

Would be stunned if the likes of Rwanda implemented VAR before Scotland did?

Sounds like nonsense from the press up here to excuse the exclusion of our (absolutely hopeless and corrupt) refs

[delbert]

Closed shop basically and Clancy heads up one of the most powerful refereeing organisations. In a hundred years of Scottish football only one Edinburgh ref got the Scottish cup final. Seems very normal

In the entire history of the Scottish Cup, only three Edinburgh referees have done the final, George Smith, Dougie McDonald and Calum Murray. Put another way, refs like Bill Mullan, Eddie Pringle, Eddie Thomson, Bill Crombie to name but a few never got a sniff, the West of Scotland FA run everything and continue to do so, only ten times worse now

[JimBHibees]

Would be stunned if the likes of Rwanda implemented VAR before Scotland did?

Sounds like nonsense from the press up here to excuse the exclusion of our (absolutely hopeless and corrupt) refs

No doubt correct

[tamig]

Crawford Allan who heads up refereeing at the SFA now is from the east. Just saying.

[GreenCastle]

Just add it to the list of dodgy goings on in Scottish football.

Like the old firm never playing each first game of the season..

The game is so crooked in Scotland - the sooner folk who pay good money realise this the better. Folk are getting shafted with our set up but punters have severe blind loyalty to their clubs and put up with the SFA and old firm bias.

[delbert]

Crawford Allan who heads up refereeing at the SFA now is from the east. Just saying.

Hasn’t made a blind bit of difference, head of refereeing in name only

[Hibs90]

Crawford Allan who heads up refereeing at the SFA now is from the east. Just saying.

And is also as staunch as they come

[Kato]

And is also as staunch as they comeYeah, geography doesn't exactly stop you from being that type of bias, otherwise there'd be no celtic/rangers boarding buses from Edinburgh.

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[McD]

Change very long time for ever :greengrin



Hah I avoided saying never as I thought someone would come back with a stat from the 1920s about more east of Scotland refs being involved in the league :greengrin

[overdrive]

I got an ad on social media earlier from the SFA wanting people to sign up to their ref courses. Now, I assume it was for grassroots referees but they showed VAR in the video. I commented “anyone who isn’t from Glasgow, Renfrewshire or Lanarkshire need not apply” :greengrin

Of course they had a clip of Brother Beaton screwing over hibs in the ad too

[Silky]

No VAR listed in the League Cup game I noticed. Maybe no a bad thing!

[overdrive]

No VAR listed in the League Cup game I noticed. Maybe no a bad thing!

Only televised games

[HoboHarry]

I got an ad on social media earlier from the SFA wanting people to sign up to their ref courses. Now, I assume it was for grassroots referees but they showed VAR in the video. I commented “anyone who isn’t from Glasgow, Renfrewshire or Lanarkshire need not apply” :greengrin

Of course they had a clip of Brother Beaton screwing over hibs in the ad too

Anyone can apply but you've as much chance of knitting fog as getting to the top if you're outwith those associations.

[JimBHibees]

No VAR listed in the League Cup game I noticed. Maybe no a bad thing!

Why not use it if the technology is there? Makes no sense

[Allant1981]

I know a former linesman, he is a huge celtic fan and ran the line and parkhead quite a few times, he said its very difficult not to lean towards the team you support, can only imagine it's even harder for refs. Apart from brining in refs from another country I can't see how that bias will ever go, I'd love to say if I was a ref I could be fair but it would be very difficult and probably wouldn't last very long!

[BILLYHIBS]

Last Saturday’s referee comes from Renfrew and lists Craig Napier as one of his buddies on LinkedIn

It’s a closed shop I tell ye a closed shop !