Dressing Room Unrest.

[Pytheas]

https://twitter.com/GrahamSpiers/status/1695888305722646905?s=20

Seems to be lots of rumours that Johnson was really disliked by the players. Anyone heard any stories?

Someone told me McKirdy was complaining about the lack of support he received after his operation.

Need to hire a player's manager next. Rules out Lennon.

[WeeRussell]

Oh if it’s stories you want….

😁

[SHODAN]

Have heard lots of rumours of the players being disliked by the fans. Been doing the rounds that they regularly down tools when they don't like the manager and the fans are incensed by this. Worrying if true.

[jeffers]

Posted this already.

BK was telling fans in Luzern that Johnson’s comments re Fish had caused a rift. Also said that a few senior players hated him. Some of them weren’t impressed with his treatment of Bojang.

From what I’ve heard they are delighted he’s away.

Be interested in what comes out on the podcast.

[The Sundance Kid]

https://twitter.com/GrahamSpiers/status/1695888305722646905?s=20

Seems to be lots of rumours that Johnson was really disliked by the players. Anyone heard any stories?

Someone told me McKirdy was complaining about the lack of support he received after his operation.

Need to hire a player's manager next. Rules out Lennon.

Think it’s definitely fair to say that McKirdy wasn’t a fan given he liked the Hibs Instagram post confirming Johnson had been sacked

[.Sean.]

Posted this already.

BK was telling fans in Luzern that Johnson’s comments re Fish had caused a rift. Also said that a few senior players hated him. Some of them weren’t impressed with his treatment of Bojang.

From what I’ve heard they are delighted he’s away.

Be interested in what comes out on the podcast.
Kensell needs to learn to keep his trap shut and stop trying so hard to be one of the boys. It’s verging on embarrassing

[hibee-boys]

Have heard lots of rumours of the players being disliked by the fans. Been doing the rounds that they regularly down tools when they don't like the manager and the fans are incensed by this. Worrying if true.

This. I’m sick of hearing about managers losing the dressing room, players downing tools etc. Funnily enough you don’t hear about this when a team is playing well and on a good run. The players need to shoulder some responsibility here, irrespective of their feelings/relationship with the man in charge. I’ve had plenty ‘managers’ over the years where we might not see eye to eye but I respected his role and it didn’t impact on my performance. Or is it only footballers this applies to🤷🏼 Appreciate that in extreme circumstances - bullying etc a manager can influence how an individual may perform but I get the sense that players dine out on the ‘losing the dressing room’ as the same old excuse for their individual and collective underperformance.

[Unseen work]

Posted this already.

BK was telling fans in Luzern that Johnson’s comments re Fish had caused a rift. Also said that a few senior players hated him. Some of them weren’t impressed with his treatment of Bojang.

From what I’ve heard they are delighted he’s away.

Be interested in what comes out on the podcast.

Kensell actually said that?

Not doubting you as such, just find it hard to believe someone in his position would go about saying that - just stupid if true.

I always think he’d answer question like that similar to a politician and dodge it etc

[B.H.F.C]

There’s been posters on here, who are probably more likely to know than Spiers, saying this for long enough.

[jeffers]

This. I’m sick of hearing about managers losing the dressing room, players downing tools etc. Funnily enough you don’t hear about this when a team is playing well and on a good run. The players need to shoulder some responsibility here, irrespective of their feelings/relationship with the man in charge. I’ve had plenty ‘managers’ over the years where we might not see eye to eye but I respected his role and it didn’t impact on my performance. Or is it only footballers this applies to🤷🏼 Appreciate that in extreme circumstances - bullying etc a manager can influence how an individual may perform but I get the sense that players dine out on the ‘losing the dressing room’ as the same old excuse for their individual and collective underperformance.

Criticism for their performances is justified but I’ve not seen anything in our games to suggest the players had downed tools. Looked more to me like a group who didn’t know what they were being set up to do.

The chat about him being unpopular is not something new that’s only coming out now though.

[CentreForward]

This. I’m sick of hearing about managers losing the dressing room, players downing tools etc. Funnily enough you don’t hear about this when a team is playing well and on a good run. The players need to shoulder some responsibility here, irrespective of their feelings/relationship with the man in charge. I’ve had plenty ‘managers’ over the years where we might not see eye to eye but I respected his role and it didn’t impact on my performance. Or is it only footballers this applies to🤷🏼 Appreciate that in extreme circumstances - bullying etc a manager can influence how an individual may perform but I get the sense that players dine out on the ‘losing the dressing room’ as the same old excuse for their individual and collective underperformance.

Couldn’t agree more! Well said!

[He's here!]

https://twitter.com/GrahamSpiers/status/1695888305722646905?s=20

Seems to be lots of rumours that Johnson was really disliked by the players. Anyone heard any stories?

Someone told me McKirdy was complaining about the lack of support he received after his operation.

Need to hire a player's manager next. Rules out Lennon.

No stories. Just various attempts by posters to stir things.

[cabbageandribs1875]

This. I’m sick of hearing about managers losing the dressing room, players downing tools etc. Funnily enough you don’t hear about this when a team is playing well and on a good run. The players need to shoulder some responsibility here, irrespective of their feelings/relationship with the man in charge. I’ve had plenty ‘managers’ over the years where we might not see eye to eye but I respected his role and it didn’t impact on my performance. Or is it only footballers this applies to🤷🏼 Appreciate that in extreme circumstances - bullying etc a manager can influence how an individual may perform but I get the sense that players dine out on the ‘losing the dressing room’ as the same old excuse for their individual and collective underperformance.


this :agree:

[jeffers]

Kensell actually said that?

Not doubting you as such, just find it hard to believe someone in his position would go about saying that - just stupid if true.

I always think he’d answer question like that similar to a politician and dodge it etc

From one of my mates who was in Luzern. Both him and IG came over and spoke to my mate and the group he was with. He went as far as naming two senior players who couldn’t stand Johnson.

He said IG was a lovely guy, who admitted he’d made mistakes.

[Stanton Spence]

Kensell actually said that?

Not doubting you as such, just find it hard to believe someone in his position would go about saying that - just stupid if true.

I always think he’d answer question like that similar to a politician and dodge it etc

It wouldn’t be the first time he’s said stuff to fans that he shouldn’t if the rumours are true

[ScottB]

This. I’m sick of hearing about managers losing the dressing room, players downing tools etc. Funnily enough you don’t hear about this when a team is playing well and on a good run. The players need to shoulder some responsibility here, irrespective of their feelings/relationship with the man in charge. I’ve had plenty ‘managers’ over the years where we might not see eye to eye but I respected his role and it didn’t impact on my performance. Or is it only footballers this applies to🤷🏼 Appreciate that in extreme circumstances - bullying etc a manager can influence how an individual may perform but I get the sense that players dine out on the ‘losing the dressing room’ as the same old excuse for their individual and collective underperformance.

On the other hand, if you had a boss you couldn’t stand and you knew if you half assed your job for a couple weeks, he’d be gone and you’d be safe…

Not saying I condone it, but that’s the reality for footballers.

[Smartie]

I'd not heard much recently, but that's possibly down to me lately not seeing much of the people who would know about this sort of thing.

What I would say - I was hearing plenty during our bad spell in the run up to the World Cup last year. It wouldn't have been a surprise to me if Johnson had gone much sooner than this.

It all seemed to settle with a few departures and a few arrivals changing some of the dynamics that existed.

From what I'd heard the players were really bought into Jack Ross and they had a fantastic relationship with his assistant, Potter. Their departure hit the squad hard and players who were happy under them haven't been as happy since, albeit they know they need to get on with their jobs.

I have stories and names of players but whilst I might blether and gossip to folk face to face, I don't think sticking stuff up on internet message boards about current players that might make life difficult for them is any sort of way to go, so I won't.

Fresh start now though, hopefully.

[HarpOnHibee]

Who's managing the manager?

[Chorley Hibee]

Kensell needs to learn to keep his trap shut and stop trying so hard to be one of the boys. It’s verging on embarrassing

It is embarrassing, and the owners should start asking questions about both his professionalism and his performance.

[Lancs Harp]

Who's managing the manager?

The East Stand.

[Keith_M]

No stories. Just various attempts by posters to stir things.


Some people seem to revel in this kind of thing. I gets a bit annoying after a while.

[snedzuk]

Posted this already.

BK was telling fans in Luzern that Johnson’s comments re Fish had caused a rift. Also said that a few senior players hated him. Some of them weren’t impressed with his treatment of Bojang.

From what I’ve heard they are delighted he’s away.

Be interested in what comes out on the podcast.

Shame some of them didn't feel strongly enough to set fire to their own head in a show of solidarity.

[Hibbyradge]

Oh if it’s stories you want….

😁

Well I can't hear a thing.

[Brightside]

Would have been better kidding on he was mr wonderful. Turning a blind eye makes nothing disappear.

[WeeRussell]

Well I can't hear a thing.

Don’t you swear at my admins.

[IvanSproule]

I'd not heard much recently, but that's possibly down to me lately not seeing much of the people who would know about this sort of thing.

What I would say - I was hearing plenty during our bad spell in the run up to the World Cup last year. It wouldn't have been a surprise to me if Johnson had gone much sooner than this.

It all seemed to settle with a few departures and a few arrivals changing some of the dynamics that existed.

From what I'd heard the players were really bought into Jack Ross and they had a fantastic relationship with his assistant, Potter. Their departure hit the squad hard and players who were happy under them haven't been as happy since, albeit they know they need to get on with their jobs.

I have stories and names of players but whilst I might blether and gossip to folk face to face, I don't think sticking stuff up on internet message boards about current players that might make life difficult for them is any sort of way to go, so I won't.

Fresh start now though, hopefully.Hate hearing this sort of thing. I get that players need to get on with the job regardless and you're never going to keep every player happy but it seems so basic to hire someone that is going to unite people and have players pulling for them.

Ross got this bang on and despite his tactics and signings not being the best, it got us 3rd and a cup final.

Need to hire a guy that players will lie down in the road for. Fact is that in Scotland effort and basic organisation comes before talent and tactics.

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[Donegal Hibby]

It is embarrassing, and the owners should start asking questions about both his professionalism and his performance.

Absolutely, Johnson's gone now so that's one problem solved though we are still left with a CEO at our club that's totally unprofessional and can't seem to hold his own P**H . The leaking of the document is just another example of how badly things are getting run at Hibs.

[JimBHibees]

Have heard lots of rumours of the players being disliked by the fans. Been doing the rounds that they regularly down tools when they don't like the manager and the fans are incensed by this. Worrying if true.

Brilliant :greengrin

[Alfred E Newman]

Kensell needs to learn to keep his trap shut and stop trying so hard to be one of the boys. It’s verging on embarrassing

Agree. Totally out of order.

[Since452]

Have heard lots of rumours of the players being disliked by the fans. Been doing the rounds that they regularly down tools when they don't like the manager and the fans are incensed by this. Worrying if true.

Correct. Boo ****ing hoo. Bunch of babies need to get their fingers out and start winning games. The manager doesn't kick the ball.

[jacomo]

On the other hand, if you had a boss you couldn’t stand and you knew if you half assed your job for a couple weeks, he’d be gone and you’d be safe…

Not saying I condone it, but that’s the reality for footballers.


It might not even be at a conscious level. Players may well genuinely believe they are giving everything, but a lack of trust in the manager means they are holding back a little… and that has a negative impact on team performance.

A manager’s job is to make the team more than the sum of its parts, and push the players beyond what they think they are capable of. This clearly hasn’t been happening, except perhaps in certain key games where the adrenaline has kicked in.

[Pytheas]

Correct. Boo ****ing hoo. Bunch of babies need to get their fingers out and start winning games. The manager doesn't kick the ball.

But he does pick the team.
How has Will Fish played since Johnson called him out in an arrogant and condescending way in the press?

Singled Rocky out again after the Livi game.

Has repeatedly battered Lewis Miller in the press and now all our defensive problems are coming down the right side.

If he's doing that publicly how has he been speaking to them in private.

I get that the players need to get on with it regardless but we have come up against 3 managers in the league that seem to have their squad behind them and motivated, 3 defeats.

Need to hire a guy that can build a collective spirit cos footballers being moody *******s isn't a new thing and its not unique to hibs.

[Hiber-nation]

From one of my mates who was in Luzern. Both him and IG came over and spoke to my mate and the group he was with. He went as far as naming two senior players who couldn’t stand Johnson.

He said IG was a lovely guy, who admitted he’d made mistakes.

I know you won't name the 2 but I'd class Marshall, Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell, Doidge, Boyle & Cadden as the senior players. I heard Newell got on ok with LJ and Cadden didn't like him.

Hopefully we'll see a drastic improvement in at least one player's form now he's gone!

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Kensell actually said that?

Not doubting you as such, just find it hard to believe someone in his position would go about saying that - just stupid if true.

I always think he’d answer question like that similar to a politician and dodge it etc

I spoke to him in Andorra, and he was surprisingly candid let's say.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Oh if it’s stories you want….

[emoji16]

Go on…


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[jeffers]

I know you won't name the 2 but I'd class Marshall, Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell, Doidge, Boyle & Cadden as the senior players. I heard Newell got on ok with LJ and Cadden didn't like him.

Hopefully we'll see a drastic improvement in at least one player's form now he's gone!

Part of me thinks well if BK was naming the players to a group of fans does my posting it on here make much difference. On balance I don’t see what it achieves. I’m not giving anything away though by saying the two who were mentioned are in your list.

[Hiber-nation]

Part of me thinks well if BK was naming the players to a group of fans does my posting it on here make much difference. On balance I don’t see what it achieves. I’m not giving anything away though by saying the two who were mentioned are in your list.

:aok:

[sean04]

Interesting the Ethan Laidlaw and mckirdy liked the post about johnson sacking

[jeffers]

Interesting the Ethan Laidlaw and mckirdy liked the post about johnson sacking

Don’t think it was any secret that Laidlaw couldn’t stand him. I wonder if he’s regretting not signing a new deal with us.

[Jones28]

Interesting the Ethan Laidlaw and mckirdy liked the post about johnson sacking

Laidlaw doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Banging on the door for first team action for over a year and what did he get? Token inclusion in a couple of squads and meaningless minutes at the end of last season.

[04Sauzee]

Interesting the Ethan Laidlaw and mckirdy liked the post about johnson sacking

Looks like Barrie Wilkins liked it also. Are they liking it because they are glad he's gone or is it just an acknowledgement?

[BobMilne]

That’s just pure bollocks about Ross




I'd not heard much recently, but that's possibly down to me lately not seeing much of the people who would know about this sort of thing.

What I would say - I was hearing plenty during our bad spell in the run up to the World Cup last year. It wouldn't have been a surprise to me if Johnson had gone much sooner than this.

It all seemed to settle with a few departures and a few arrivals changing some of the dynamics that existed.

From what I'd heard the players were really bought into Jack Ross and they had a fantastic relationship with his assistant, Potter. Their departure hit the squad hard and players who were happy under them haven't been as happy since, albeit they know they need to get on with their jobs.

I have stories and names of players but whilst I might blether and gossip to folk face to face, I don't think sticking stuff up on internet message boards about current players that might make life difficult for them is any sort of way to go, so I won't.

Fresh start now though, hopefully.

[Jones28]

Looks like Barrie Wilkins liked it also. Are they liking it because they are glad he's gone or is it just an acknowledgement?

I can't imagine anyone in this day and age thinks that "liking" something is just an acknowledgement.

[Brightside]

That’s just pure bollocks about Ross

It’s not. You won’t hear a bad word from any hibs staff

[Hiber-nation]

I'd not heard much recently, but that's possibly down to me lately not seeing much of the people who would know about this sort of thing.

What I would say - I was hearing plenty during our bad spell in the run up to the World Cup last year. It wouldn't have been a surprise to me if Johnson had gone much sooner than this.

It all seemed to settle with a few departures and a few arrivals changing some of the dynamics that existed.

From what I'd heard the players were really bought into Jack Ross and they had a fantastic relationship with his assistant, Potter. Their departure hit the squad hard and players who were happy under them haven't been as happy since, albeit they know they need to get on with their jobs.

I have stories and names of players but whilst I might blether and gossip to folk face to face, I don't think sticking stuff up on internet message boards about current players that might make life difficult for them is any sort of way to go, so I won't.

Fresh start now though, hopefully.

Alex Neil said that it was obvious that the players weren't playing for JR after that dismal defeat at Livi.

I thought it would be clear to someone of his experience.

[HendoDelivered]

I’ve a feeling Boyle didn’t like LJ much.

[Pytheas]

Interesting the Ethan Laidlaw and mckirdy liked the post about johnson sacking

There's 2 sides to every story and everything, and from what i've heard of Laidlaw the laddie could be a bit hot-headed, McKirdy is a .... character.

There are managers that can manipulate players like that into running through walls for them, Johnson clearly not one of them. Lennon also.

[WestStandWillie]

Player power can become a disease in a dressing room but from what's been posted here, LJ hasn't helped himself in the slightest.

Very interested to see how we play against Aberdeen.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

It’s not. You won’t hear a bad word from any hibs staff

Maybe they've got a no swearing clause in their contracts. 😁

[Lago]

Agree. Totally out of order.
All I'd add is if Ian Gordon was in his company when he was spouting off that's also disappointing, he should told him to shut it.

[Lago]

Part of me thinks well if BK was naming the players to a group of fans does my posting it on here make much difference. On balance I don’t see what it achieves. I’m not giving anything away though by saying the two who were mentioned are in your list.
And some on that list haven't exactly covered themselves in glory.

[hibee-boys]

It’s not. You won’t hear a bad word from any hibs staff

That may well be true but it kinda disproves the point that a manager who is liked by all is a requirement for a successful manager, he lost how many of his last few games at Hibs! No doubt the players at ER were complaining that he was too friendly. It would be great if we sign players on that, irrespective of manager, bust a gut for the club and the fans that pay their wages. Off late, other than Newell, I’m not seeing that level of desire and commitment from any of the them! Maybe that’s just your typical modern footballer thought🙄

[h1bs4life]

If he speaks to the players the way he utters garbage to the press then not surprised they have switched off but they have a responsibility to the club / fans to give there all , how many can look themselves in the mirror and say they have.
Dressing room unrest ? Heard these stories before , of the senior players mentioned Marshall, Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell, Doidge and Boyle all bar Boyle can go for me.
Maybe explains why some of the new signings aren’t getting game time 2 different factions in the dressing room.
Strong manager required to clear out the dressing room.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I've been to every home game this season and not once could I say the players weren't trying or giving full effort. But if you have a manager who inspires you maybe you find that wee bit extra and perhaps that was lacking under LJ. Look at McLean or Ferguson, neither had a reputation as an arm round the shoulder kind of manager, but their players would run through the proverbial brick wall for them, maybe it was fear :greengrin

If reports are true that LJ had a habit of commenting that the players weren't implementing the tactics he was giving them perhaps he had a problem communicating them and the bloomin' players took to the park unsure of what they were supposed to be doing. Basically the manager was saying the players were too stupid to understand what he was asking them to do. It was clear, certainly against Luzern away, that he had told them to give up the wings. If you then have a go at them for losing goals from crosses you could see why they might get a bit pissed off.

Maybe the guy really was a slaver and after 10 minutes in the film room or 5 minutes into his pre match team talk all the players could hear was :blah::blah::blah: ... Who knows.

[Hibrandenburg]

No stories. Just various attempts by posters to stir things.

:agree: The main board has become a cesspit.

If I was a lazy fat journo then I'd join Hibs Net, throw in a few unsubstantiated rumours and then sit back and watch Hibs fans tear themselves and the club to threads. The headlines would write themselves.

[NAE NOOKIE]

:agree: The main board has become a cesspit.

If I was a lazy fat journo then I'd join Hibs Net, throw in a few unsubstantiated rumours and then sit back and watch Hibs fans tear themselves and the club to threads. The headlines would write themselves.

Could probably level the same accusation at any fans forum anywhere to be fair :greengrin

[Not So Young]

Posted this already.

BK was telling fans in Luzern that Johnson’s comments re Fish had caused a rift. Also said that a few senior players hated him. Some of them weren’t impressed with his treatment of Bojang.

From what I’ve heard they are delighted he’s away.

Be interested in what comes out on the podcast.


If this is the case, and I'm not questioning your post, then we should see a clear reaction and improvement over the next two league games

[Since452]

The players have a duty to give everything on the park for the fans who pay good money to come and watch them. If any of them have downed tools or given less than 100% because they didn't like the manager they need emptied at the first opportunity. Shouldn't be hard to spot with all the fancy sports science technology we have now. I hope it really isn't the case.

[B.H.F.C]

The players have a duty to give everything on the park for the fans who pay good money to come and watch them. If any of them have downed tools or given less than 100% because they didn't like the manager they need emptied at the first opportunity. Shouldn't be hard to spot with all the fancy sports science technology we have now. I hope it really isn't the case.

Whether it’s conscious or sub conscious on their part, you can almost guarantee the effort levels will improve when the new manager comes in.

Whether it’s tactical, not liking someone, confidence or whatever you see it pretty much every time a manager is coming towards the end. It happens at every level and it’s not as straightforward as just saying they should be giving everything IMO.

[S4uzee]

Looks like Barrie Wilkins liked it also. Are they liking it because they are glad he's gone or is it just an acknowledgement?
Need a new announcer too. Hibernian Fccccccccc

[Northernhibee]

Let’s see what stories come out before we judge anyone. I don’t think anyone would begrudge a player feeling totally dejected under someone like Terry Butcher or Colin Calderwood..

Similarly an exaggeration is halfway around the world before the truth has had a chance to get its shoes on.

Let’s see what reaction we get from the team.

[Hiber-nation]

Need a new announcer too. Hibernian Fccccccccc

Christ that does my head in.

[BILLYHIBS]

Need a new announcer too. Hibernian Fccccccccc

Needs to turn it down a notch

Cannae hear yourself think as you try to work out this week’s lineup

[Tambo]

Lewis will have a good few stories to talk about when he writes his autobiography.

[WeAreHibs]

Need a new announcer too. Hibernian Fccccccccc

I like it tbf!

[WestStandWillie]

Christ that does my head in.

Nippy eh. Terrible stadium announcer.

[Hibs90]

Nippy eh. Terrible stadium announcer.

Not at all.

[jacomo]

Lewis will have a good few stories to talk about when he writes his autobiography.


He’s too nice to dish the dirt I think.

Although it would be funny if retired football player Lewis Stevenson turns into a really bitchy, gossipy pundit as a second career. :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

He’s too nice to dish the dirt I think.

Although it would be funny if retired football player Lewis Stevenson turns into a really bitchy, gossipy pundit as a second career. :greengrin

Would like him to refer to himself entirely in the third person for the last year of his career.

[jacomo]

Would like him to refer to himself entirely in the third person for the last year of his career.


:faf:

That would be brilliant.

[Hibees1973]

I know a friend of a friend, etc, who works at East Mains.

When we went on that bad run just after the World Cup word is there was a fall out between Kensall & Johnson regarding a couple of signings. Suppose that's not rare between a CE and a manager. It's been kind of ropey since then and this filtered through to the squad. Johnson was almost sacked after the SC loss to the Yam, but IG decided to keep things as they were. Maybe it was cos of Ron Gordon being unwell, but anyway nothing changed.

From what I've heard it was not just a few players who disliked Johnson. More like a 70/30 split who just didn't take to Johnson.

[cabbageandribs1875]

He’s too nice to dish the dirt I think.

Although it would be funny if retired football player Lewis Stevenson turns into a really bitchy, gossipy pundit as a second career. :greengrin


if he tells all he's a closet Jambo he would soon find himself on Sportsound

[Pytheas]

I know a friend of a friend, etc, who works at East Mains.

When we went on that bad run just after the World Cup word is there was a fall out between Kensall & Johnson regarding a couple of signings. Suppose that's not rare between a CE and a manager. It's been kind of ropey since then and this filtered through to the squad. Johnson was almost sacked after the SC loss to the Yam, but IG decided to keep things as they were. Maybe it was cos of Ron Gordon being unwell, but anyway nothing changed.

From what I've heard it was not just a few players who disliked Johnson. More like a 70/30 split who just didn't take to Johnson.


Did Johnson not say something along the lines of "I've been consistently asking for what we need" in that interview on Saturday.

Weird that we've been spending so much money but the manager still not happy with signings. I can't see the likes of McInnes being happy with having little or no say in the market.

[Irish_Steve]

No stories. Just various attempts by posters to stir things.

When there's a new thread, I always check to see when the poster joined Hibs.Net and their post count. I'm not the most prolific of posters given the length of time I've been on here but it's definitely more than four or five per year

[Hibees1973]

Did Johnson not say something along the lines of "I've been consistently asking for what we need" in that interview on Saturday.

Weird that we've been spending so much money but the manager still not happy with signings. I can't see the likes of McInnes being happy with having little or no say in the market.

I've not heard what Johnson said on Saturday. I stopped listening to his interviews a while ago after he spouted things like his game intelligence and red arrows stuff. Sadly I did come across the odd bit of him in the paper, which was more difficult to avoid.

I'm just delighted he is gone now and I don't need to read any more of his cr*p. I'm still concerned though regarding some of the key decision makers who are still at the club.

Just feel our next manager will have to be very flexible to fit in with who we already have in charge of things. When they see how things have been run and who is running it, most of the credible candidates will not come near us.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Christ that does my head in.

Don't know if he is still there, but the guy at Liverpool was brilliant, even when he announced the scorer of one of their goals it sounded like he was telling you his cat had just been run over :faf:

[Smartie]

Did Johnson not say something along the lines of "I've been consistently asking for what we need" in that interview on Saturday.

Weird that we've been spending so much money but the manager still not happy with signings. I can't see the likes of McInnes being happy with having little or no say in the market.

Not sure what was said on Saturday but he said a good few weeks back that he thought we had about enough to get through the European games and the first 2 or 3 league games. He was wrong then and no amount of comment after the event will change that.

Johnson or no Johnson, we've still got a lot of business to do by Thursday if we're to have any confidence we're going to achieve what we set out to this season. I was actually thrilled with the start to the window too, we've just lost our way big time.

[Irish_Steve]

Don't know if he is still there, but the guy at Liverpool was brilliant, even when he announced the scorer of one of their goals it sounded like he was telling you his cat had just been run over :faf:

That's George Sephton - he's been doing it since Kevin Keegan's debut for Liverpool in 1971!

Barrie has a long way to go

[WhileTheChief..]

No stories. Just various attempts by posters to stir things.

Why would Hbs fans try to stir things up on social media? You think they post made up stuff just to wind up other fans?

Seems a bit far fetched.

Much more likely is that they were posting stuff they'd heard.

Players have mates that they talk to. It's not hard for their thoughts to become known to others and then end up online.

They're not bound to secrecy and if they want to slag off a colleague or their boss, so what. Happens in all walks of life.

[Since452]

Need a new announcer too. Hibernian Fccccccccc

:agree: nippy

[007]

On the other hand, if you had a boss you couldn’t stand and you knew if you half assed your job for a couple weeks, he’d be gone and you’d be safe…

Not saying I condone it, but that’s the reality for footballers.

We're beating Villa 6-0 on Thursday aren't we? 🤔

[jeffers]

We're beating Villa 6-0 on Thursday aren't we? 🤔

5-0. Out on penalties. That’s the Hibs way.

[Irish_Steve]

Why would Hbs fans try to stir things up on social media? You think they post made up stuff just to wind up other fans?

Seems a bit far fetched.

Much more likely is that they were posting stuff they'd heard.

Players have mates that they talk to. It's not hard for their thoughts to become known to others and then end up online.

They're not bound to secrecy and if they want to slag off a colleague or their boss, so what. Happens in all walks of life.

I think you will find that a lot of those “Hibs” fans on social media are not actually Hibs fans - shocking, isn’t it!

[Prof. Shaggy]

5-0. Out on penalties. That’s the Hibs way.

Nah, it'll be 4-0 and Boyle will put a tap-in over the bar. 5-5 before we know it.

[LunasBoots]

I know a friend of a friend, etc, who works at East Mains.

When we went on that bad run just after the World Cup word is there was a fall out between Kensall & Johnson regarding a couple of signings. Suppose that's not rare between a CE and a manager. It's been kind of ropey since then and this filtered through to the squad. Johnson was almost sacked after the SC loss to the Yam, but IG decided to keep things as they were. Maybe it was cos of Ron Gordon being unwell, but anyway nothing changed.

From what I've heard it was not just a few players who disliked Johnson. More like a 70/30 split who just didn't take to Johnson.

Probably not far from the truth, before last January it was the same seemingly so it doesn't surprise me others are the same now.

[GreenArmyyy!]

Did Johnson not say something along the lines of "I've been consistently asking for what we need" in that interview on Saturday.

Weird that we've been spending so much money but the manager still not happy with signings. I can't see the likes of McInnes being happy with having little or no say in the market.

I heard that as well but LJ has done a lot of that throughout his time at Hibs. He’s been backed to the tune of 25-30 players in the space of a year. It’s always been everyone else’s fault apart from his own. If the squad isn’t the way he wants it then that for me is down to him. We’re spending a lot of cash and did it very early this summer. We can’t keep signing player after player.

[IvanSproule]

When there's a new thread, I always check to see when the poster joined Hibs.Net and their post count. I'm not the most prolific of posters given the length of time I've been on here but it's definitely more than four or five per yearEvery new thread?....

Anyway well done mate you caught me I'm off back to follow follow.

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[007]

if he tells all he's a closet Jambo he would soon find himself on Sportsound

Did someone say a (water) closet Jambo from Sportsound? 🤔
https://i.ibb.co/0jpBDtZ/Levein.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Skol]

If fish did t get on with Johnson after his comments, why did fish return to hibs and not go to Aberdeen who were also interested?

[Paulie Walnuts]

If fish did t get on with Johnson after his comments, why did fish return to hibs and not go to Aberdeen who were also interested?

His comments were this season, no?

[Fanforlife]

I know a friend of a friend, etc, who works at East Mains.

When we went on that bad run just after the World Cup word is there was a fall out between Kensall & Johnson regarding a couple of signings. Suppose that's not rare between a CE and a manager. It's been kind of ropey since then and this filtered through to the squad. Johnson was almost sacked after the SC loss to the Yam, but IG decided to keep things as they were. Maybe it was cos of Ron Gordon being unwell, but anyway nothing changed.

From what I've heard it was not just a few players who disliked Johnson. More like a 70/30 split who just didn't take to Johnson.heard exactly the same regarding players split opinion of him.

[Skol]

Not sure when they were. I assumed last season

[BSEJVT]

His comments were this season, no?

Comments were after St Mirren defeat this season

[Skol]

Comments were after St Mirren defeat this season

I was away on holiday so missed that game and didn’t follow anything from afar.

[Brooster]

I've heard a few shockers but probably the best one was when he told the players they will never play for a better manager than him. He's a trumpet.

[hibee316]

I've heard a few shockers but probably the best one was when he told the players they will never play for a better manager than him. He's a trumpet.

When did he say that?

[Logie Green]

That's George Sephton - he's been doing it since Kevin Keegan's debut for Liverpool in 1971!

Barrie has a long way to go

George Sephton is the best stadium announcer by a mile, keeps it simple and gets the timing just right. Barrie Wilkins hasn’t got a clue in comparison.

[500miles]

I've heard a few shockers but probably the best one was when he told the players they will never play for a better manager than him. He's a trumpet.

Did he ever set his hair on fire?

I feel like there's a whole banter years thread we could have had here.

[leithsansiro]

I actually totally get the thing about players perhaps not taking to LJ. They all knew full well that he was on a shoogly peg and that they could get him gone if they didn’t go the extra mile.

I’m NOT saying that players purposely stitched him up, because they’re professionals and have sporting integrity etc. However, at the end of the day, as much as we all love the club, playing football is just a job. I know a few ex and current pros who’ve said as much.

Players didn’t go the extra mile for him because, let’s face it, he comes across as an arrogant fud. And none of us would go the extra mile to keep our boss we hated in a job

[LewysGot2]

Nippy eh. Terrible stadium announcer.

Harsh.

He's better than most. Although it would be good if he managed to pronounce Delferriere a) the same way twice and b) correctly 🤣🙈

[badabing67]

Comments were after St Mirren defeat this season

Is this about the lion

[HendoDelivered]

I've heard a few shockers but probably the best one was when he told the players they will never play for a better manager than him. He's a trumpet.

Outstanding stuff 🤣🤣

[allezsauzee]

Is Graham Spiers going to get more listeners if he says there was a rift between manager and players and there are stories to tell or if he says they all liked him and there's no juicy gossip to be had ? :hmmm:

[Northernhibee]

I've heard a few shockers but probably the best one was when he told the players they will never play for a better manager than him. He's a trumpet.

I feel really bad for the likes of Lewie, who may never again get to play for someone who’s basically a chilled out entertainer.

Fact!

[Simkin911]

I blame the players for failing to deliver the promised ‘panache’ on Saturday versus Livingston. Maybe they didn’t understand the meaning of the word? 🤷🏼*♂️. Glad the slaver is gone but wish he’d been successful as I would have ‘persevered’ with his slavers in lieu of a successful team.

[chrisski33]

I’ve a feeling Boyle didn’t like LJ much.

Snap! Think Boyle would like the Oz manager at Hibs

[Kato]

Is Graham Spiers going to get more listeners if he says there was a rift between manager and players and there are stories to tell or if he says they all liked him and there's no juicy gossip to be had ? :hmmm:When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

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[LewysGot2]

When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

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But Monday the sharks just go around being aggressive

[jacomo]

I blame the players for failing to deliver the promised ‘panache’ on Saturday versus Livingston. Maybe they didn’t understand the meaning of the word? 🤷🏼*♂️. Glad the slaver is gone but wish he’d been successful as I would have ‘persevered’ with his slavers in lieu of a successful team.


:agree:

I think Mikel Arteta is a slaver too but he seems to be doing ok.

[Springbank]

5-0. Out on penalties. That’s the Hibs way.

Joe Newell off for an early night

Got 2 hours of football plus penalties ahead of him on thursday

[Silky]

Is Graham Spiers going to get more listeners if he says there was a rift between manager and players and there are stories to tell or if he says they all liked him and there's no juicy gossip to be had ? :hmmm:

Graham Spiers is a slaver. If he said the sky was blue, I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

[Alfred E Newman]

How many managers is that they've managed to see off?

[BobMilne]

Did someone say a (water) closet Jambo from Sportsound? 🤔
https://i.ibb.co/0jpBDtZ/Levein.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


The latrine

[JimBHibees]

Graham Spiers is a slaver. If he said the sky was blue, I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

Always thought he was one of the better journos. At least has a backbone to call out Sevco

[JimBHibees]

The latrine

The Levein surely :greengrin

[Just_Jimmy]

Kensell needs to learn to keep his trap shut and stop trying so hard to be one of the boys. It’s verging on embarrassingIt's past that. It's entirely unprofessional. He should be emptied also.

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[Donegal Hibby]

It's past that. It's entirely unprofessional. He should be emptied also.

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:agree::top marks

[cameronw-hfc]

I posted on the PM board about hearing he had a pretty major fall out in Dec/January(not sure when the fallout was, i just got told about it around that time and posted then, could have been earlier, could have been around that time, no clue.), with Mckirdy being one of the main ones and a few players not happy at all with his treatment of Harry and a few younger players. If what I heard was true, and no reason to think otherwise as the person is pretty solid, it was bordering on bullying at times with certain players. Mckirdy one was a bit different but still shan. Basically lambasted him for not being able to step up, despite knowing about his struggles to settle in his first 6 months, and a few weren't chuffed with his calling Harry out in the media then piling pressure on him by starting him in big games after not much game time then moaning that he couldn't immediately adapt/step up and a few got sick of it. contrary to what most seem to believe, Harry is a very, very popular lad in the dressing room.

Don't know what young players he was supposedly a bit shan to, just got told Harrys name and 'a few of the younger first team players'.

[Pytheas]

I posted on the PM board about hearing he had a pretty major fall out in Dec/January(not sure when the fallout was, i just got told about it around that time and posted then, could have been earlier, could have been around that time, no clue.), with Mckirdy being one of the main ones and a few players not happy at all with his treatment of Harry and a few younger players. If what I heard was true, and no reason to think otherwise as the person is pretty solid, it was bordering on bullying at times with certain players. Mckirdy one was a bit different but still shan. Basically lambasted him for not being able to step up, despite knowing about his struggles to settle in his first 6 months, and a few weren't chuffed with his calling Harry out in the media then piling pressure on him by starting him in big games after not much game time then moaning that he couldn't immediately adapt/step up and a few got sick of it. contrary to what most seem to believe, Harry is a very, very popular lad in the dressing room.

Don't know what young players he was supposedly a bit shan to, just got told Harrys name and 'a few of the younger first team players'.


Well rid of this clown by the sounds of it.

Honestly bordering on negligence from the people above the manager letting this sort of **** happen under their noses. Need to put a grown up in charge this time.

[WestStandWillie]

I posted on the PM board about hearing he had a pretty major fall out in Dec/January(not sure when the fallout was, i just got told about it around that time and posted then, could have been earlier, could have been around that time, no clue.), with Mckirdy being one of the main ones and a few players not happy at all with his treatment of Harry and a few younger players. If what I heard was true, and no reason to think otherwise as the person is pretty solid, it was bordering on bullying at times with certain players. Mckirdy one was a bit different but still shan. Basically lambasted him for not being able to step up, despite knowing about his struggles to settle in his first 6 months, and a few weren't chuffed with his calling Harry out in the media then piling pressure on him by starting him in big games after not much game time then moaning that he couldn't immediately adapt/step up and a few got sick of it. contrary to what most seem to believe, Harry is a very, very popular lad in the dressing room.

Don't know what young players he was supposedly a bit shan to, just got told Harrys name and 'a few of the younger first team players'.

McKirdy does look an infectious individual- maybe Johnson didn't like that and tried to peg him down a bit.

[jeffers]

McKirdy does look an infectious individual- maybe Johnson didn't like that and tried to peg him down a bit.

While my views on Johnson are well known I don’t think McKirdy was entirely blameless. Missing a training session to watch England play, his behaviour at the golf do being two examples.

[Pytheas]

While my views on Johnson are well known I don’t think McKirdy was entirely blameless. Missing a training session to watch England play, his behaviour at the golf do being two examples.

I have no trouble believing that guys like McKirdy and Laidlaw are difficult to manage and will need disciplining. A half decent man-manager would be able to do that without destroying any relationship with the player.

[MrRobot]

While my views on Johnson are well known I don’t think McKirdy was entirely blameless. Missing a training session to watch England play, his behaviour at the golf do being two examples.

what was the golf club incident?

[heid the baw]

What Johnston and Maloney both lacked was personal authority, which is crucial in managing players at a club like Hibs.
What I mean is the way that you carry yourself so everyone knows you are in charge without you having to remind them of your job title.
We've all had bosses who we worked better for because they had this character trait.
Maloney was too timid and Johnston was arrogant, wooly and all over the shop. His management style was similar to Butcher.
Instead of long interview process Gordon and Kensall should just watch reruns of interviews of potential candidates after defeats. Tells you loads about how they carry themselves

[Since452]

What Johnston and Maloney both lacked was personal authority, which is crucial in managing players at a club like Hibs.
What I mean is the way that you carry yourself so everyone knows you are in charge without you having to remind them of your job title.
We've all had bosses who we worked better for because they had this character trait.
Maloney was too timid and Johnston was arrogant, wooly and all over the shop. His management style was similar to Butcher
Instead of long interview process Gordon and Kensall should just watch reruns of interviews of potential candidates after defeats. Tells you loads about how they carry themselves

I agree with that. Liked LJ, didn't like Maloney but neither had that aura about them.

[ancient hibee]

I have no trouble believing that guys like McKirdy and Laidlaw are difficult to manage and will need disciplining. A half decent man-manager would be able to do that without destroying any relationship with the player.

I don't mind a good player being difficult to manage as long as he's doing it on the park. McKirdy is hopeless.

[Brightside]

Always thought he was one of the better journos. At least has a backbone to call out Sevco

He's a top class journo.

[jeffers]

what was the golf club incident?

Don’t know the specifics, just that they were not happy with his behaviour. Think it was a club organised thing at either Renaissance or Archerfield.

[GreenGray]

I posted on the PM board about hearing he had a pretty major fall out in Dec/January(not sure when the fallout was, i just got told about it around that time and posted then, could have been earlier, could have been around that time, no clue.), with Mckirdy being one of the main ones and a few players not happy at all with his treatment of Harry and a few younger players. If what I heard was true, and no reason to think otherwise as the person is pretty solid, it was bordering on bullying at times with certain players. Mckirdy one was a bit different but still shan. Basically lambasted him for not being able to step up, despite knowing about his struggles to settle in his first 6 months, and a few weren't chuffed with his calling Harry out in the media then piling pressure on him by starting him in big games after not much game time then moaning that he couldn't immediately adapt/step up and a few got sick of it. contrary to what most seem to believe, Harry is a very, very popular lad in the dressing room.

Don't know what young players he was supposedly a bit shan to, just got told Harrys name and 'a few of the younger first team players'.

Frustrating to think that Johnson may have been the reason we lost top youth talent like Laidlaw or stunted others' development.

[bingo70]

Was this podcast not meant to have been released yesterday?

[flash]

Was this podcast not meant to have been released yesterday?

It is released. I saw it on twitter this morning.

[Since452]

what was the golf club incident?

Plays golf. He's obviously a **** :greengrin

[Juice-Terry]

Does anyone know what Spiers had to say then?

[badabing67]

Was this podcast not meant to have been released yesterday?

Are you talking about the Graham Spiers podcast

[MrRobot]

Plays golf. He's obviously a **** :greengrin

:greengrin

[Brightside]

Does anyone know what Spiers had to say then?

He interviewed Tam McManus. That immediately put me off it.

[bingo70]

Are you talking about the Graham Spiers podcast

Yeah, sorry, wasn’t sure there was another podcast folk were on about.

[Joe6-2]

This. I’m sick of hearing about managers losing the dressing room, players downing tools etc. Funnily enough you don’t hear about this when a team is playing well and on a good run. The players need to shoulder some responsibility here, irrespective of their feelings/relationship with the man in charge. I’ve had plenty ‘managers’ over the years where we might not see eye to eye but I respected his role and it didn’t impact on my performance. Or is it only footballers this applies to🤷🏼 Appreciate that in extreme circumstances - bullying etc a manager can influence how an individual may perform but I get the sense that players dine out on the ‘losing the dressing room’ as the same old excuse for their individual and collective underperformance.

Hearing stories of players downing tools, any team, makes me angry.
These guys are well paid, there to entertain the fans, how dare they not give 100% every time.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

What Johnston and Maloney both lacked was personal authority, which is crucial in managing players at a club like Hibs.
What I mean is the way that you carry yourself so everyone knows you are in charge without you having to remind them of your job title.
We've all had bosses who we worked better for because they had this character trait.
Maloney was too timid and Johnston was arrogant, wooly and all over the shop. His management style was similar to Butcher.
Instead of long interview process Gordon and Kensall should just watch reruns of interviews of potential candidates after defeats. Tells you loads about how they carry themselves


In education many management set ups require you to teach a lesson as part of the process. Means you can gauge how the kids respond, early signs of good relationships.

Why not ask prospective managers to teach a session, it would be good to then get feedback from players afterwards. Similarly get youth players to walk the prospective manager round the training ground, they would give first hand info on that person's personality. the young folk wont lie.

Maybe we do this but it means you avoid wallopers like LJ.

[Pytheas]

Hearing stories of players downing tools, any team, makes me angry.
These guys are well paid, there to entertain the fans, how dare they not give 100% every time.

Who's downed tools at hibs?

The opposite seems more likely to me after hearing some of Johnson's behaviour.

I'd suggest that having a half decent finish to last season, winning a derby, beating celtic and getting through a good European tie all while having a tactically inept little Napoleon as the gaffer might mean we have some decent characters in the squad that have kept him in a job this long with their professionalism.

[jeffers]

Who's downed tools at hibs?

The opposite seems more likely to me after hearing some of Johnson's behaviour.

I'd suggest that having a half decent finish to last season, winning a derby, beating celtic and getting through a good European tie all while having a tactically inept little Napoleon as the gaffer might mean we have some decent characters in the squad that have kept him in a job this long with their professionalism.

:agree: I’ve seen nothing to suggest they downed tools. They looked like a group of players who didn’t seem clear on how they were supposed to be playing and that lies with Johnson.

[McD]

Does anyone know what Spiers had to say then?



He had Tam McManus and Pat McPartlin on. Asked them their thoughts on LJ being sacked, and spent a bit of time discussing that. Neither were positive, and both said that losing the fans is a death knell (I’m paraphrasing). One made the point that he was well backed in terms of money and volume of signings, yet most weeks the team was filled with players that pre-dated LJ jointing the club. Another point one of them made was that Hanlon and Stevenson being dropped could have been LJ basically saying to the fans ‘see, you wanted them out, so it’s your fault’ (again paraphrasing).


Spiers then said he had had a lengthy discussion with a prominent Hibs player (unnamed), who had little positive to say about LJ. The gist appears to be that he wasn’t particularly interested in coaching sessions or match prep, and that a lot of the persona he presented to the media about himself (good coach, good tactical guy) were a total sham. Given the comments on this thread and going back over several months, it’s probably fair to say this is consistent with what some posters have heard. Spiers didn’t go near naming the player, but said a few times that they were prominent. I think that probably means someone who’s not only well known but also likely to have been either with Hibs a long time or involved in Scottish football a long time, so that’s so short list in my book.


There was also a broad chat about potential candidates for the job, with McInnes and Scott Brown being the main names discussed.

[Brightside]

He had Tam McManus and Pat McPartlin on. Asked them their thoughts on LJ being sacked, and spent a bit of time discussing that. Neither were positive, and both said that losing the fans is a death knell (I’m paraphrasing). One made the point that he was well backed in terms of money and volume of signings, yet most weeks the team was filled with players that pre-dated LJ jointing the club. Another point one of them made was that Hanlon and Stevenson being dropped could have been LJ basically saying to the fans ‘see, you wanted them out, so it’s your fault’ (again paraphrasing).


Spiers then said he had had a lengthy discussion with a prominent Hibs player (unnamed), who had little positive to say about LJ. The gist appears to be that he wasn’t particularly interested in coaching sessions or match prep, and that a lot of the persona he presented to the media about himself (good coach, good tactical guy) were a total sham. Given the comments on this thread and going back over several months, it’s probably fair to say this is consistent with what some posters have heard. Spiers didn’t go near naming the player, but said a few times that they were prominent. I think that probably means someone who’s not only well known but also likely to have been either with Hibs a long time or involved in Scottish football a long time, so that’s so short list in my book.


There was also a broad chat about potential candidates for the job, with McInnes and Scott Brown being the main names discussed.

I know we did almost nothing on defensive shapes. It was just attacking and then get the ball back quickly. Harbottle had a 30 min session playing RB before the Livi game.

[IvanSproule]

I know we did almost nothing on defensive shapes. It was just attacking and then get the ball back quickly. Harbottle had a 30 min session playing RB before the Livi game.That's unbelievable [emoji23] welcome to Hibs Riley.
I watched him as he walked round the pitch after finally being taken off, genuinely looked close to tears he was raging.


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[Broken Gnome]

I know we did almost nothing on defensive shapes. It was just attacking and then get the ball back quickly. Harbottle had a 30 min session playing RB before the Livi game.

Be fair, we were incredibly good at winning the ball back, so that training ground work paid off.

No, wait...

And a right back only needs 30 minutes of work. They'll either chip one into the channel, or more common give it wide to Boyle, get it back, give it to a centre half. Probably do it again within half a minute or so.

[Hibbyradge]

Does anyone know what Spiers had to say then?

Not much of interest, tbh.

[leithsansiro]

I know we did almost nothing on defensive shapes. It was just attacking and then get the ball back quickly. Harbottle had a 30 min session playing RB before the Livi game.

Really? If so, there's beyond negligent. Did Lee imagine that our attacking prowess would simply keep the ball off the opposition for 90 minutes? If that is true, and it pretty much looks that way on the pitch, it's a wonder that players haven't called him out before now. Junior sides would do more.

"Eh gaffer, are we gonna be practicing any defen...."
"No, shut up and pass the ball to Boyle or Youan and hope for the best. And get my app downloaded while you're at it."

[Hannah_hfc]

Some of what has been mentioned in this thread aligns with my thoughts on a Joe Newell article by Patrick McPartlin just last week.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/what-joe-newell-had-to-say-about-his-new-role-in-the-hibs-midfield-4265704


Opening the article, I was fully expecting a Newell to go into some detail of how Johnson has instructed all the midfielders to play depending on who is midfield in any particular line up and that his role had changed with the arrival of Levitt. The first sentence in the Joe Newell quote below took me by surprise at the time and on hindsight seems very telling.

Maybe out midfield woes are partly down to lack of any individual instruction.


The manager’s not really asked me to do anything different, but I can see why you might think that. I think there are certain situations, as you get older, when you recognise that certain games ask for more. When we went to Luzern away, I knew that I wouldn't be dropping deep to get on the ball, and I knew that I wouldn't get more than a few passes in the game. I know that different games ask for different types of things and I try to recognise that before and during games. I have been enjoying my performances and enjoying playing, definitely.


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[Hibbyradge]

I know we did almost nothing on defensive shapes. It was just attacking and then get the ball back quickly. Harbottle had a 30 min session playing RB before the Livi game.

How do you know that?

I didn't think you were ITK.

[Juice-Terry]

He had Tam McManus and Pat McPartlin on. Asked them their thoughts on LJ being sacked, and spent a bit of time discussing that. Neither were positive, and both said that losing the fans is a death knell (I’m paraphrasing). One made the point that he was well backed in terms of money and volume of signings, yet most weeks the team was filled with players that pre-dated LJ jointing the club. Another point one of them made was that Hanlon and Stevenson being dropped could have been LJ basically saying to the fans ‘see, you wanted them out, so it’s your fault’ (again paraphrasing).


Spiers then said he had had a lengthy discussion with a prominent Hibs player (unnamed), who had little positive to say about LJ. The gist appears to be that he wasn’t particularly interested in coaching sessions or match prep, and that a lot of the persona he presented to the media about himself (good coach, good tactical guy) were a total sham. Given the comments on this thread and going back over several months, it’s probably fair to say this is consistent with what some posters have heard. Spiers didn’t go near naming the player, but said a few times that they were prominent. I think that probably means someone who’s not only well known but also likely to have been either with Hibs a long time or involved in Scottish football a long time, so that’s so short list in my book.


There was also a broad chat about potential candidates for the job, with McInnes and Scott Brown being the main names discussed.

Thanks. Much appreciated.

[Not In The Know]

I know we did almost nothing on defensive shapes. It was just attacking and then get the ball back quickly. Harbottle had a 30 min session playing RB before the Livi game.


Its blatantly obvious our defence didn't know what they were doing and this just proves it. Jeez, the more I hear about this clown the more angry I get.

[jeffers]

I know we did almost nothing on defensive shapes. It was just attacking and then get the ball back quickly. Harbottle had a 30 min session playing RB before the Livi game.

Doesn’t surprise. His thoughts v Raith were that our attackers would blow them away and that would be enough.

Now I know I can’t stand the guy, but even then when I see and hear the things that went on while he was our manager I’m staggered he’s managed over 500 games and been with so many different clubs.

[eastmainsmsh]

Will find out in next few matches hopefully the players get confidence back after livi performance suspected not a happy camp

[MikeyS]

Doesn’t surprise. His thoughts v Raith were that our attackers would blow them away and that would be enough.

Now I know I can’t stand the guy, but even then when I see and hear the things that went on while he was our manager I’m staggered he’s managed over 500 games and been with so many different clubs.

It's mad to think that there are a whole host of guys just like him going round and round clubs in England racking up huge amounts of games in between massive pay offs from clubs!

We are all in the wrong game!

[HoboHarry]

How do you know that?I didn't think you were ITK.Everyone on the planet is apart from me. Well it seems like that some days.....

[JammyDoidger]

Aiden McGeady giving a wee bit away about Johnson on PLZ soccer.

[Since452]

Auden McGeady giving a wee bit away about Johnson on PLZ soccer.

Not him again

[JammyDoidger]

Not him again

Speaking highly of SDG.

[Northernhibee]

Not him again

Bumping his gums about his time with us, and is now out for five months with a gum injury.

[Torto7]

Bumping his gums about his time with us, and is now out for five months with a gum injury.

There's something funny about Aiden. He's been an old grump since his teens. I had a night out with him years ago as Graham Smith ex Hibs goalie is my mate and good mates with Scott McDonald who's pals with Aiden. He spent the entire night moaning and this was him loaded and with every bird in the place gawping at him. He's a bit like Karl Pilkington. I genuinely reckon he should try his arm at comedy.

[McD]

Thanks. Much appreciated.



Happy to help mate 😊

[Carheenlea]

Bumping his gums about his time with us, and is now out for five months with a gum injury.

:hilarious

[leith lynx]

There's something funny about Aiden. He's been an old grump since his teens. I had a night out with him years ago as Graham Smith ex Hibs goalie is my mate and good mates with Scott McDonald who's pals with Aiden. He spent the entire night moaning and this was him loaded and with every bird in the place gawping at him. He's a bit like Karl Pilkington. I genuinely reckon he should try his arm at comedy.

McGeady is a genuine inspiration for the misreablist movement, a bona fide despond.

[Eyrie]

How do you know that?

I didn't think you were ITK.

I thought everyone knew Brightside is actually Paul Hanlon :na na:

[The Captain....]

I thought everyone knew Brightside is actually Paul Hanlon :na na:Should change his username to "wrongside" then.

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[chrisski33]

Not him again

Scared to hear some home truths about Johnson are we?? 😀

[Hibbyradge]

I thought everyone knew Brightside is actually Paul Hanlon :na na:

:greengrin

[Lancs Harp]

To be fair fellas this is a bit of a tittle tattle thread isnt it?

[bingo70]

Aiden McGeady giving a wee bit away about Johnson on PLZ soccer.

What did he give away? What was he saying?

[007]

What did he give away? What was he saying?

Tune in tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/6Ht9HUIHjdc?si=CIe3hApgyDa6tjK-

[Irish_Steve]

Should change his username to "wrongside" then.

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Surely "Offside"??

[HIBS NUTS]

LJ wasent popular with the players or staff.
We have done the right thing to get rid.

[IvanSproule]

LJ wasent popular with the players or staff.
We have done the right thing to get rid.The people that hired him should be nowhere near the next appointment.

I really like the Gordons but the 1st time Ian Gordon meets the new manager should be when McDermott introduces him after signing the contract.

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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

LJ wasent popular with the players or staff.
We have done the right thing to get rid.

We have done the right thing by giving him the sack, but the reason wasn't because he wasn't popular

[007]

The people that hired him should be nowhere near the next appointment.

I really like the Gordons but the 1st time Ian Gordon meets the new manager should be when McDermott introduces him after signing the contract.

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McDermott should lead the process but I disagree that it should solely be his decision (presumably that's what you are saying). As owner, I don't see why Ian shouldn't meet the final candidates, if he wants, to be comfortable with who McDermott recommends.

[FitbaFolkKen]

He had Tam McManus and Pat McPartlin on. Asked them their thoughts on LJ being sacked, and spent a bit of time discussing that. Neither were positive, and both said that losing the fans is a death knell (I’m paraphrasing). One made the point that he was well backed in terms of money and volume of signings, yet most weeks the team was filled with players that pre-dated LJ jointing the club. Another point one of them made was that Hanlon and Stevenson being dropped could have been LJ basically saying to the fans ‘see, you wanted them out, so it’s your fault’ (again paraphrasing).


Spiers then said he had had a lengthy discussion with a prominent Hibs player (unnamed), who had little positive to say about LJ. The gist appears to be that he wasn’t particularly interested in coaching sessions or match prep, and that a lot of the persona he presented to the media about himself (good coach, good tactical guy) were a total sham. Given the comments on this thread and going back over several months, it’s probably fair to say this is consistent with what some posters have heard. Spiers didn’t go near naming the player, but said a few times that they were prominent. I think that probably means someone who’s not only well known but also likely to have been either with Hibs a long time or involved in Scottish football a long time, so that’s so short list in my book.


There was also a broad chat about potential candidates for the job, with McInnes and Scott Brown being the main names discussed.

I subscribed to listen to it and immediately unsubscribed right after. Total wishy washy stuff from Spiers. McManus championing Brown for the job and shouting absolutely constantly. McPartlin was choosing his words very carefully.

Was a pretty poor listen I thought. I expect more juicy gossip for £2.


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[Hibbyradge]

I subscribed to listen to it and immediately unsubscribed right after. Total wishy washy stuff from Spiers. McManus championing Brown for the job and shouting absolutely constantly. McPartlin was choosing his words very carefully.

Was a pretty poor listen I thought. I expect more juicy gossip for £2.


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I did exactly the same.

I did download a few Hibs related episodes first though.

We do have a month before we lose access, but you have to download them you can keep them, I think.

[aberhibsfc]

An OF stalwart with former Hibs playing connections, Scott Brown is far too inexperienced to be anywhere near consideration for the Hibs management post.

I don't need the Glasgow press gang telling me who should be favourite for our top job.

The only time they lower themselves to talk about non OF teams is when they are trying to foist one of their darlings onto us.

And they can quit throwing other no marks our way!

Get stuffed Speirs!

[Jim44]

Next manager poll on here is fair enough but a bit academic. A more interesting poll, however, would be one for all players to choose who they would prefer. It would be strictly anonymous, of-course. I bet it would throw up some juicy talking points.

[Keith_M]

Next manager poll on here is fair enough but a bit academic. A more interesting poll, however, would be one for all players to choose who they would prefer. It would be strictly anonymous, of-course. I bet it would throw up some juicy talking points.


I think we should let Harry McKirdy decide. I'd be willing to bet he'd come up with some interesting candidates. :)

[Saint Hibee]

I think we should let Harry McKirdy decide. I'd be willing to bet he'd come up with some interesting candidates. :)

Harry McKirdy player/manager is clearly the way forward.

[Swedish hibee]

I'm so fed up with Mckirdy and he's not even in the team. I hope Chelsea get pumped every week.

[Callum_62]

I'm so fed up with Mckirdy and he's not even in the team. I hope Chelsea get pumped every week.That seems totally unnecessary

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[Silky]

He interviewed Tam McManus. That immediately put me off it.

Two slavers slavering. Sounds a great listen!!

[McD]

I'm so fed up with Mckirdy and he's not even in the team. I hope Chelsea get pumped every week.



Easy mate, the guy is recovering from heart surgery, give him a wee bit of a break

[FitbaFolkKen]

I did exactly the same.

I did download a few Hibs related episodes first though.

We do have a month before we lose access, but you have to download them you can keep them, I think.

I’ll try a couple more but it wasn’t quite the exposé that he made it out to be.

Didn’t like that I couldn’t listen to it on Spotify where all my other podcasts are. I’m getting too old and just want things to be easy [emoji23]


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[JimBHibees]

I'm so fed up with Mckirdy and he's not even in the team. I hope Chelsea get pumped every week.

Really :greengrin

[Up-the-slope]

To be fair fellas this is a bit of a tittle tattle thread isnt it?

:rotflmao:the winner of the Understatement Awards