Unprofessional

[Daily Hibs]

Does anyone else think that it is highly unprofessional that someone at the club leaked the email advising staff of Lee Johnsons sacking?

I think that's shocking and further emphasises how poor the culture at the club currently is.

[Greenio]

Absolutely it is.

IT dpt at Hibs should be all over it

[HH81]

Where was it leaked?

[Trinity Hibee]

Where was it leaked?

Was leaked to an employees friend and then put up on here

[GloryGlory]

Was leaked to an employees friend and then put up on here

Easily treaceable back to source then.

[HarpOnHibee]

Was leaked to an employees friend and then put up on here

Was that definitely the case though? I reckon a large number of people were pre-predicting his sacking and in an effort to appear "in the know", somebody stated it on here as fact and then gave that as their reason for knowing. They may well have been telling the truth. But it's also possible that they were simply guessing that he would be sacked and fabricated the leaked email story to give their information a false sense of credibility. Just something to consider.

[Trinity Hibee]

Was that definitely the case though? I reckon a large number of people were pre-predicting his sacking and in an effort to appear "in the know", somebody stated it on here as fact and then gave that as their reason for knowing. They may well have been telling the truth. But it's also possible that they were simply guessing that he would be sacked and fabricated the leaked email story to give their information a false sense of credibility. Just something to consider.

The email appeared on here before the official announcement

[DH1875]

Was leaked to an employees friend and then put up on here

Was that real? Thought it was fake, shocking if it wasn't and whoever leaked it needs sacked.

[HarpOnHibee]

The email appeared on here before the official announcement

Admittedly I haven't seen the thread or the email so haven't been able to analyse it's authenticity for myself. But I'd keep an open mind regarding cut and pastes or screenshots, as such things can be easily fabricated these days. It may well have been legitimate. But unless the club officially confirms the authenticity of the alleged email/s, then we should be wary of jumping to any definitive conclusions.

[Trinity Hibee]

Admittedly I haven't seen the thread or the email so haven't been able to analyse it's authenticity for myself. But I'd keep an open mind regarding cut and pastes or screenshots, as such things can be easily fabricated these days. It may well have been legitimate. But unless the club officially confirms the authenticity of the alleged email/s, then we should be wary of jumping to any definitive conclusions.

Fair enough. I can’t confirm the authenticity but it certainly looked real

[superfurryhibby]

Admittedly I haven't seen the thread or the email so haven't been able to analyse it's authenticity for myself. But I'd keep an open mind regarding cut and pastes or screenshots, as such things can be easily fabricated these days. It may well have been legitimate. But unless the club officially confirms the authenticity of the alleged email/s, then we should be wary of jumping to any definitive conclusions.


I strongly suspect it's fake, but it will no doubt be used as a stick with which to beat the club by our in-house self loathers and our "low post-suddenly emerge from woodwork" supporters.

[Trinity Hibee]

I strongly suspect it's fake, but it will no doubt be used as a stick with which to beat the club by our in-house self loathers and our "low post-suddenly emerge from woodwork" supporters.

And if it’s real?

[HarpOnHibee]

it certainly looked real


I strongly suspect it's fake

And that's why we don't jump to any definitive conclusions on a forum message board. :wink:

[jacomo]

I strongly suspect it's fake, but it will no doubt be used as a stick with which to beat the club by our in-house self loathers and our "low post-suddenly emerge from woodwork" supporters.


Why do you think it’s fake?

According to the screenshot, it was sent to 100 odd people. If you don’t want info to leak, be more selective about who you send it to!

[WhileTheChief..]

Just a little bit of over exuberance from an excited employee.

I’ll cut them some slack for delivering the news we wanted to hear.

[Greenio]

Over exuberant?

Errr, nah. Sharing sensitive company information without authorisation would likely constitute gross misconduct.

It was real. It had the actual wording of the press release before it was released.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yeah, sorry, I can’t get all worked up about it.

It’s such a trivial matter in the scheme of things. Basically we saw the statement 5 mins before it was released. Big deal.

[WestStandWillie]

Gave us the good news before the main event - I see no wrongdoing here.

[Smartie]

It’s very poor.

But if the person who would have ultimate responsibility for discipline in this case is no stranger to leaking important information himself without censure, would we be in any position to do anything about it from an HR point of view?

Bloody mess, whichever way you look at it.

It’s also piss poor that people let their own feelings about an underperforming manager cloud the fact that there’s still an appropriate and professional way to act.

Standards… who is setting them, what is going on?

[BoomtownHibees]

I strongly suspect it's fake, but it will no doubt be used as a stick with which to beat the club by our in-house self loathers and our "low post-suddenly emerge from woodwork" supporters.

Not sure it’s fake based on the wording on the email matching the wording of the statement.

I shared it on the Johnson Out thread and it was actually a Celtc supporting mate who had sent it to me and he had been sent it via a Hearts supporter so it hasn’t taken long to do the rounds

[B.H.F.C]

Stuff gets leaked from football clubs every single day, it’s not as if we’re unique in that sense. Nearly every sacking or signing or whatever is in the press before it’s confirmed. Email was sent to over a hundred people, odds on that someone was going to say something.

[matty_f]

It’s very poor.

But if the person who would have ultimate responsibility for discipline in this case is no stranger to leaking important information himself without censure, would we be in any position to do anything about it from an HR point of view?

Bloody mess, whichever way you look at it.

It’s also piss poor that people let their own feelings about an underperforming manager cloud the fact that there’s still an appropriate and professional way to act.

Standards… who is setting them, what is going on?

Spot on.

FWIW, I don't for a second think it's fake. The wording in the email matches the press release wording and the photo was doing the rounds first.

Whoever did it used their phone to take the photo rather than taking a screenshot or forwarding the email because they knew what they were doing was wrong.

It's very poor and in most businesses would result in a dismissall.

From what I've heard, Kensell is not discreet himself though, save that does bleed through a business. It needs stopped.

[Mick O'Rourke]

May be the work,if true, of a 5th columnist(jambo) or a disgruntled employee. :greengrin


I think Lee was sat down with possibly Ian Gordon,but certainly Ben Kensell and directors not long after final whistle on Saturday.
So insiders would have known something was going on .
Delay in announcing his departure would have been due to discussions on "pay off" for LJ and the other 2 coaches.
I dont think the StreakyLeemail is any big deal.
Journalists get "tipped the wink" all the time. Not just in football circles.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Spot on.

FWIW, I don't for a second think it's fake. The wording in the email matches the press release wording and the photo was doing the rounds first.

Whoever did it used their phone to take the photo rather than taking a screenshot or forwarding the email because they knew what they were doing was wrong.

It's very poor and in most businesses would result in a dismissall.

From what I've heard, Kensell is not discreet himself though, save that does bleed through a business. It needs stopped.

Subliminal :greengrin
You dont like Ben,then !
So do you think from what you heard of "Indiscreet Kensell",if he was responsible,he should be sacked ?
I looked up the term snowflake.. The urban definition.:greengrin
Its right enough .Folks these days get offended at nought !

Not you in particular,Matty .Just an observation from an older gadjie !

[Jones28]

Easily treaceable back to source then.

Well, there were nearly 100 recipients. It might not be that easy.

I made this point on another thread, our CEO openly discusses things that previously would have been confidential, is it any surprise there has been a leak of private information?

[matty_f]

Subliminal :greengrin
You dont like Ben,then !
So do you think from what you heard of "Indiscreet Kensell",if he was responsible,he should be sacked ?
I looked up the term snowflake.. The urban definition.:greengrin
Its right enough .Folks these days get offended at nought !

Not you in particular,Matty .Just an observation from an older gadjie !

I've only spoken to Ben directly once or twice directly and have been on the periphery of a couple of conversations he's had with folk in the group I was with.

In terms of liking him, absolutely - he's a very likable guy going by those interactions but - as crazy as this may seem in this day and age - I can like him and also not like something he does.

I won't go into what he said to me because that was in confidence but I can say I've heard him openly discussing staff at the club in a way that I don't think any leader of any business should have done.

And the issue you have in a business where the head guy does this, is that it permits everyone to do it, and so things that are clearly marked "private and confidential" got photographed and shared.

Nothing about being a snowflake, I'm not calling for Ben to be sacked our anything like that but it is an issue if things like this are leaked, regardless of whether it happens elsewhere, imho.

[Pretty Boy]

Taking a picture of a private business email and passing it on is a sackable offence in almost any organisation. I'm not mad keen on anyone losing their job but I hope whoever took that picture is sweating a bit today as it's piss poor behaviour.

It's disrespectful to the club and to all those involved. Easter Road has leaked like a sieve for years and as has been mentioned above it seems like that starts from the very top these days. A bit of tightening up on such things wouldn't go amiss, it will always happen to some extent but it's beyond a joke at Hibs currently.

[jacomo]

Taking a picture of a private business email and passing it on is a sackable offence in almost any organisation. I'm not mad keen on anyone losing their job but I hope whoever took that picture is sweating a bit today as it's piss poor behaviour.

It's disrespectful to the club and to all those involved. Easter Road has leaked like a sieve for years and as has been mentioned above it seems like that starts from the very top these days. A bit of tightening up on such things wouldn't go amiss, it will always happen to some extent but it's beyond a joke at Hibs currently.


I think the culture of leaking information is the problem. This email was sent to over 100 people - by definition, some of them will be relatively junior. They probably think that the CEO has a reputation for blabbing anyhow, so what’s the harm?

[WestCoastHibby]

Sackable offence if true

[jacomo]

Sackable offence if true


Undoubtedly.

But, as I said above, if you want to keep something confidential, don’t share it with 100 people!

I see no reason why anyone other than the board and senior execs needed to know in advance… the decision could be communicated to staff and players at the same time as the public announcement.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think the culture of leaking information is the problem. This email was sent to over 100 people - by definition, some of them will be relatively junior. They probably think that the CEO has a reputation for blabbing anyhow, so what’s the harm?

Thought the same.

I’d be very surprised if there’s anywhere near 100 people at Hibs that needed to know this was happening in advance of the announcement. Even if you look at directors etc and all first team players potentially, id be stunned if you went much past 40/50 people.

[1875Sean]

Undoubtedly.

But, as I said above, if you want to keep something confidential, don’t share it with 100 people!

I see no reason why anyone other than the board and senior execs needed to know in advance… the decision could be communicated to staff and players at the same time as the public announcement.

It was sent sent 30 mins or so before the announcement, I would imagine it’s pretty common to do this as the press etc may approach individuals for comment so they need to be aware on what’s going on

[Brightside]

It was sent sent 30 mins or so before the announcement, I would imagine it’s pretty common to do this as the press etc may approach individuals for comment so they need to be aware on what’s going on

Its very common. And they always get leaked.

[SHODAN]

When your Chief Executive is a sieve don't be surprised when the other employees follow suit.

[Hibbyradge]

Does anyone else think that it is highly unprofessional that someone at the club leaked the email advising staff of Lee Johnsons sacking?

I think that's shocking and further emphasises how poor the culture at the club currently is.

Anyone leaking confidential information whether verbally or by sharing a photograph of an email is unprofessional.

Why are we desperate to hear rumours and know who the sources are, but we somehow balk when we have visual confirmation?

Leaks are leaks. They shouldn't happen, but they do.

And we desperately want them.

[matty_f]

Undoubtedly.

But, as I said above, if you want to keep something confidential, don’t share it with 100 people!

I see no reason why anyone other than the board and senior execs needed to know in advance… the decision could be communicated to staff and players at the same time as the public announcement.
Organisations send restricted emails to thousands of staff and reasonably expect the content not to be shared.

It's standard for companies to have computer or email usage policies that specifically prohibit the sharing of information, and you'll see many companies classify emails so that there's no doubt as to whether or not something is ok for sharing.

Here, it's clearly marked private and confidential. If it had been sent to 500 people it should have remained internal.

[Hibbyradge]

Over exuberant?

Errr, nah. Sharing sensitive company information without authorisation would likely constitute gross misconduct.

It was real. It had the actual wording of the press release before it was released.

ITK people were posting 'He's definitely gone" before the email appeared.

Why doesn't anyone shout"gross misconduct " when that happens? It amounts to the same thing. :dunno:

[Hibbyradge]

Organisations send restricted emails to thousands of staff and reasonably expect the content not to be shared.

It's standard for companies to have computer or email usage policies that specifically prohibit the sharing of information, and you'll see many companies classify emails so that there's no doubt as to whether or not something is ok for sharing.

Here, it's clearly marked private and confidential. If it had been sent to 500 people it should have remained internal.

Matty, you get confidential information from Hibs from time to time. Do you tell them that they shouldn't be sharing it?

[matty_f]

ITK people were posting 'He's definitely gone" before the email appeared.

Why doesn't anyone shout"gross misconduct " when that happens? It amounts to the same thing. :dunno:

Folk have criticised Kensell for it in the past, Maloney being sacked if he lost to Hearts being one example.

But fwiw, you're right that it shouldn't have to be written down it photographed to be a beach - staff will normally be expected to keep confidential information as such. With word of mouth, though, it's almost impossible to prove.

[matty_f]

Matty, you get confidential information from Hibs from time to time. Do you tell them that they shouldn't be sharing it?

Sometimes :greengrin

On that point though, it's not up to me to know what's confidential and what's not from the club's point of view. Nobody ever forwards me anything that they shouldn't, and I will generally ask i something is ok to talk about before doing so.

[ancient hibee]

I've only spoken to Ben directly once or twice directly and have been on the periphery of a couple of conversations he's had with folk in the group I was with.

In terms of liking him, absolutely - he's a very likable guy going by those interactions but - as crazy as this may seem in this day and age - I can like him and also not like something he does.

I won't go into what he said to me because that was in confidence but I can say I've heard him openly discussing staff at the club in a way that I don't think any leader of any business should have done.

And the issue you have in a business where the head guy does this, is that it permits everyone to do it, and so things that are clearly marked "private and confidential" got photographed and shared.

Nothing about being a snowflake, I'm not calling for Ben to be sacked our anything like that but it is an issue if things like this are leaked, regardless of whether it happens elsewhere, imho.
There's been lots of posts about Kensall being a blabbermouth but yours is the first I've read from someone who has actually heard him rather than being "told by a mate". Pretty worrying. Does he do it to show off do you think?

[Hibbyradge]

Folk have criticised Kensell for it in the past, Maloney being sacked if he lost to Hearts being one example.

But fwiw, you're right that it shouldn't have to be written down it photographed to be a beach - staff will normally be expected to keep confidential information as such. With word of mouth, though, it's almost impossible to prove.

Exactly. It's the information within the email that is confidential. However that's spread, it's a breach of trust.

[jacomo]

Organisations send restricted emails to thousands of staff and reasonably expect the content not to be shared.

It's standard for companies to have computer or email usage policies that specifically prohibit the sharing of information, and you'll see many companies classify emails so that there's no doubt as to whether or not something is ok for sharing.

Here, it's clearly marked private and confidential. If it had been sent to 500 people it should have remained internal.


Of course.

My point still stands though. If you want to keep something quiet, share that information carefully and discreetly.

[matty_f]

Of course.

My point still stands though. If you want to keep something quiet, share that information carefully and discreetly.

But some things are business wide communications - here they've told the staff that need to know and they've marked it private and confidential.

The audience is appropriate and the content is clearly not for sharing.

That it got out the way it did is inductive of a cultural issue at the club.

[Hibbyradge]

Of course.

My point still stands though. If you want to keep something quiet, share that information carefully and discreetly.

Indeed.

However, it was absolutely correct that the players and staff were informed before a public announcement was made. Kensall will have known that it would have been leaked, these things always are, but he still had to do right by those people.

That those people can't be trusted is just a matter of fact and not his fault.

Now, apply that to the moon lamdings, or 9/11 or any other crazy conspiracy theory. If 100 hibs staff can't keep a secret, how are we supposed to accept hundreds of thousands of NASA employees did? :crazy:

Sorry for the digression! :greengrin

[matty_f]

There's been lots of posts about Kensall being a blabbermouth but yours is the first I've read from someone who has actually heard him rather than being "told by a mate". Pretty worrying. Does he do it to show off do you think?

I think there's a balance between trying to build trusting relationships with your customers and being seen to be authentic - someone said to me at the weekend that Ben kicks every ball with the team - and knowing when to hold back.

I think his intentions are good, and like I said, i found him very easy to like and so I'm not wanting to hang him out to dry, buy I don't think any leader should be as vocal about their staff as Ben can be.

The flip side, is that I know people who have got close to Ben and they speak very highly of him and I trust their judgement completely.

[Alan62]

If I was CEO of the club, I'd be calling an all-staff meeting and making sure that everyone understood that leaking confidential information is a sackable offence. I'd also control the release of key information so that it was shared on a need to know basis. While all staff need to know that the manager has been relieved of his duties, they don't all need to know at the same time and they don't all need to be informed by email.

If Easter Road has its gossips, then the senior management team needs to identify them and close them down.

[ScottB]

It’s a problem when some staff will be fans and will certainly have friends that are, that something like this will always get out.

Ultimately we all love the ‘Greggs’ what is that if not club staff leaking tasty info? It was a bit dumb to outright photograph a laptop in this case which is probably the point this one went too far.

[ancient hibee]

I think there's a balance between trying to build trusting relationships with your customers and being seen to be authentic - someone said to me at the weekend that Ben kicks every ball with the team - and knowing when to hold back.

I think his intentions are good, and like I said, i found him very easy to like and so I'm not wanting to hang him out to dry, buy I don't think any leader should be as vocal about their staff as Ben can be.

The flip side, is that I know people who have got close to Ben and they speak very highly of him and I trust their judgement completely.

Thanks.

[snedzuk]

It’s a problem when some staff will be fans and will certainly have friends that are, that something like this will always get out.

Ultimately we all love the ‘Greggs’ what is that if not club staff leaking tasty info? It was a bit dumb to outright photograph a laptop in this case which is probably the point this one went too far.

It's also a problem when some staff won't be fans and have friends that aren't.

[Winston Ingram]

Sackable offence if true

Hopefully they can share a picture of the email confirming their own departure

[WestCoastHibby]

Sackable offence if true

[Hibbyradge]

Sackable offence if true

Do you agree that any leak, verbal or pictoraial, is a sackable offence?

[jacomo]

Indeed.

However, it was absolutely correct that the players and staff were informed before a public announcement was made. Kensall will have known that it would have been leaked, these things always are, but he still had to do right by those people.

That those people can't be trusted is just a matter of fact and not his fault.

Now, apply that to the moon lamdings, or 9/11 or any other crazy conspiracy theory. If 100 hibs staff can't keep a secret, how are we supposed to accept hundreds of thousands of NASA employees did? :crazy:

Sorry for the digression! :greengrin


Your digression is a good one and I agree entirely.

Bill Gates has somehow kept his nanobot vaccine factory a secret too, despite the many thousands who must be involved in that conspiracy. Ditto the tankers delivering mind control chemicals to the airports every day!

[Jones28]

If I was CEO of the club, I'd be calling an all-staff meeting and making sure that everyone understood that leaking confidential information is a sackable offence. I'd also control the release of key information so that it was shared on a need to know basis. While all staff need to know that the manager has been relieved of his duties, they don't all need to know at the same time and they don't all need to be informed by email.

If Easter Road has its gossips, then the senior management team needs to identify them and close them down.

Would you then sack yourself for leaking information directly to fans after a few pints?

Leaks will happen, but the CEO should not be at all surprised that something as egregious as a picture of an email he sent was circulated if he can't keep his own mouth shut.

[Lancs Harp]

Would you then sack yourself for leaking information directly to fans after a few pints?

Leaks will happen, but the CEO should not be at all surprised that something as egregious as a picture of an email he sent was circulated if he can't keep his own mouth shut.

Certainly leaks can happen after a few pints 😀

[Jones28]

Certainly leaks can happen after a few pints 😀

:party: <-- this is an actual, real life depiction of Kensall and Iain Gordon announcing the team to the pub in Luzerne.

[Alan62]

Would you then sack yourself for leaking information directly to fans after a few pints?

Leaks will happen, but the CEO should not be at all surprised that something as egregious as a picture of an email he sent was circulated if he can't keep his own mouth shut.

If the CEO can’t be trusted, that’s a matter for the board. The point is that the club needs to control the information flow and it can only do that if people understand the rules and the consequences. I know next to nothing about Ben Kensell but if he is blabbing confidential information to fans then the board should act.


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[hibee-boys]

Why don’t we get BK to start leaking the wrong starting XI prior to each game, we could do with any minor advantage these days🤔

[Hibs90]

Sharing private e-mails in work would be a disciplinary matter. I'm not sure if it would constitute gross misconduct but certainly a warning of some type.

I'm sure Hibs would be able to identify the culprit quite easily tbh. It may be that the person leaking the e-mail has sent it to someone in confidence and it's been circulated that way.

[Lago]

Was leaked to an employees friend and then put up on here
If true that's totally unacceptable and frankly gross misconduct, stackable offence. There are in my opinion too many on here gossiping on information given to them by mates, either close to the club or employees, that's just wrong.

[Allant1981]

There can't have been to many employees logged into a work email on a Sunday when there's no game on so won't be hard for them to find out who it was, especially when the exact time is posted on their laptop, always good to find stuff out but think the person who took the photo might be in a bit of bother

[NAE NOOKIE]

Yeah, sorry, I can’t get all worked up about it.

It’s such a trivial matter in the scheme of things. Basically we saw the statement 5 mins before it was released. Big deal.

Maybe it's because I've worked all my life in occupations where being caught leaking or talking in public about sensitive information would mean almost certain instant dismissal, maybe even prosecution, that my opinion on this is coloured. But if the E Mail was genuine then whoever leaked it should at the very least and I mean the very least, be on a final written warning.

This is all about the culture of a business. If employees think it's ok to share confidential internal information where does it end? Making public sensitive information about players personal details. Leaking sensitive information about the club's dealings with it's business partners. If that comes under the heading of 'public interest' like exposing dodgy financial dealings or a culture of bullying that isn't being addresses or taken seriously in house then fine.

Outside of that as an employee you have a duty to your employer to treat anything marked private and confidential as just that, private and confidential ... it's anything but trivial and it shouldn't matter a rats arse if its 10 minutes before it's due to be made public or 10 years.

[ScottB]

I’m surprised it was so wildly shared internally ahead of the announcement, not that we’re a publicly traded company, but with that as an example, a senior leader leaving wouldn’t be public knowledge internally outside of a select few due to the impact it can have on stock price etc. I suppose here any employee could have quickly run off to the bookies!

I’m not sure all employees need to know Lee was sacked prior to the public announcement.

[Hibees1973]

So in the next few days we will have Ben and IG interviewing potential new managers.

The only difference this time is that McDermott & McPherson should be involved.

Kensall and Ian Gordon hired Maloney & Johnson. Our last 2 managers must be in the top 5 wafflers ever to manage Hibs. Maloney & Johnson were both a cringe to watch being interviewed.

Just this time I hope they get it right. Know IG is in reality our de-facto owner now so he obviously will be involved in the process. Hibs are really his ball now and he calls the shots. Given he has zero experience in football he cannot be trusted to get this one right.

Which brings me to Kensall. Almost every comment I see on hibs.net is not complimentary of Kensall. Does IG have the b*lls to sack him and get someone more professional involved.

What is really needed now is a team manager of strong character, a straight talker, experienced in the game and not willing to put up with any bull from our board or anyone of major influence at the club.

I fear if anyone of this type of character is interviewed by the likes of Kensall & IG, our board will not want anyone like this.

This will rule out four of the main contenders in my mind, Robinson, Lennon, McInnes & Wilder. I'm not saying these managers are the best we can get, just the more common names I see getting speculated on.

I just fear it will be another meek and weak appointment who will get us to mediocre, at best.

[Trinity Hibee]

So in the next few days we will have Ben and IG interviewing potential new managers.

The only difference this time is that McDermott & McPherson should be involved.

Kensall and Ian Gordon hired Maloney & Johnson. Our last 2 managers must be in the top 5 wafflers ever to manage Hibs. Maloney & Johnson were both a cringe to watch being interviewed.

Just this time I hope they get it right. Know IG is in reality our de-facto owner now so he obviously will be involved in the process. Hibs are really his ball now and he calls the shots. Given he has zero experience in football he cannot be trusted to get this one right.

Which brings me to Kensall. Almost every comment I see on hibs.net is not complimentary of Kensall. Does IG have the b*lls to sack him and get someone more professional involved.

What is really needed now is a team manager of strong character, a straight talker, experienced in the game and not willing to put up with any bull from our board or anyone of major influence at the club.

I fear if anyone of this type of character is interviewed by the likes of Kensall & IG, our board will not want anyone like this.

This will rule out four of the main contenders in my mind, Robinson, Lennon, McInnes & Wilder. I'm not saying these managers are the best we can get.

I just fear it will be another meek and weak appointment who will get us to mediocre, at best.

That is a concern. My hope is BM having a big influence on the process and him knowing what we need.

[Just Alf]

Maybe it's because I've worked all my life in occupations where being caught leaking or talking in public about sensitive information would mean almost certain instant dismissal, maybe even prosecution, that my opinion on this is coloured. But if the E Mail was genuine then whoever leaked it should at the very least and I mean the very least, be on a final written warning.

This is all about the culture of a business. If employees think it's ok to share confidential internal information where does it end? Making public sensitive information about players personal details. Leaking sensitive information about the club's dealings with it's business partners. If that comes under the heading of 'public interest' like exposing dodgy financial dealings or a culture of bullying that isn't being addresses or taken seriously in house then fine.

Outside of that as an employee you have a duty to your employer to treat anything marked private and confidential as just that, private and confidential ... it's anything but trivial and it shouldn't matter a rats arse if its 10 minutes before it's due to be made public or 10 years.Great Post its how I see I as well.


There's a difference if the person had messaged/told someone it was happening... it would then have been shared on here and elsewhere..... but folks would see it an an ITK rumour, may or may not be true.
When it turns out to be correct, then kudos to the poster that shared the info.
Let's be honest, we all crave that we bit inside info!!


Posting a pic of the actual email takes the whole thing to a different and more unprofessional level.

Imho anyway

[Mick O'Rourke]

Thought i would lighten up the thread for the Itk-ers,jumbo infitrators and sweetie wives,sorry!, rumour mongers! :greengrin

Sketches like this would not get past the easy offended these days :confused:

TVs finest gossip mongers .Cissie and Ada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVLtJxBqtSA