Ownership

[Chorley Hibee]

This might be controversial, but where does the buck stop with regards to decisions, the future, strategy and more?

Since the unfortunate passing of Ron Gordon, I can't help but feel the club has been drifting aimlessly, and nothing of late makes me feel any more convinced that we have a plan, or idea, in place for either the present, or the future.

There really needs to be some clarity about who is ultimately in charge and responsible,

As much as I'm adamant Johnson's time is up, I've very little faith in either Kensall, or the owners, to deal with this latest debacle.

[Northernhibee]

We've not been a well run club for quite some time, certainly not since Leeann Dempster left.

You can say about a lack of front of shirt sponsor for a season, but other than hospitality getting a lick of paint absolutely everything at the club was far better with her in charge of day to day. Better players, better recruitment, better managers, better strategy, and a better connection with the support.

We need to look as to what we did right back then and look to replicate it without losing the commercial eye that we now have.

[Scooter]

Not looking at the owners here. They've tried to back the manager and change the structure with a DoF so no one can say that they are just doing the same things

[Lago]

Afraid the owners have been pretty anonymous since Ron died, not sure how much interest the family have now in Hibs, it was more Ron's baby.

[LewysGot2]

Afraid the owners have been pretty anonymous since Ron died, not sure how much interest the family have now in Hibs, it was more Ron's baby.

They’ve been involved- Ian is at the club most of the time. He is doing the “day to day bit” for the family. Kit has been here a fair bit, too? As much as you might expect when she’s just become main owner of all the family businesses and will have been busy on many fronts.
They were all at the various end of season events. Ian has been mingling with support pre-match at a few of the away games - was at the Murrayfield prior to the last derby and with the support pre-Euro ties.

[Centre Hawf]

Afraid the owners have been pretty anonymous since Ron died, not sure how much interest the family have now in Hibs, it was more Ron's baby.

Not true at all. Ian has been present consistently for a while and talks very well about the club and clearly is well involved in day to day stuff. Comes across very well.

[alexedwards]

Not true at all. Ian has been present consistently for a while and talks very well about the club and clearly is well involved in day to day stuff. Comes across very well.

He'll need to do significantly better than that - one way or another.

[jeffers]

Not true at all. Ian has been present consistently for a while and talks very well about the club and clearly is well involved in day to day stuff. Comes across very well.

:agree: the Gordon family are committed to the club, I think it’s pretty poor to suggest otherwise. They’ve also dipped into their pockets to sign at least two players I’m aware of.

Our revenues are up, we’ve spent money on players, laid a new pitch, upgraded hospitality etc.. We’ve also got a DoF in place who I believe will be a great appointment. Replace the current manager with someone decent and the foundations are there.

[alexedwards]

:agree: the Gordon family are committed to the club, I think it’s pretty poor to suggest otherwise. They’ve also dipped into their pockets to sign at least two players I’m aware of.

Our revenues are up, we’ve spent money on players, laid a new pitch, upgraded hospitality etc.. We’ve also got a DoF in place who I believe will be a great appointment. Replace the current manager with someone decent and the foundations are there.
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[Cameron1875]

The family have repeated their commitment time and time again. However if the CEO and manager allegedly go to Fringe shows together then it must make it difficult for them to make clinical decisions.

[Iain G]

The family have repeated their commitment time and time again. However if the CEO and manager allegedly go to Fringe shows together then it must make it difficult for them to make clinical decisions.

I can't believe that they be would take the time out to go see a fringe show in Edinburgh in August when one of the the worlds biggest arts festivals is on!

It's a bloody disgrace!

There is enough comedy on the pitch for them to watch right now.

[Hibernian Verse]

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Good input.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

:agree: the Gordon family are committed to the club, I think it’s pretty poor to suggest otherwise. They’ve also dipped into their pockets to sign at least two players I’m aware of.

Our revenues are up, we’ve spent money on players, laid a new pitch, upgraded hospitality etc.. We’ve also got a DoF in place who I believe will be a great appointment. Replace the current manager with someone decent and the foundations are there.

100% this

[Baldy Foghorn]

:agree: the Gordon family are committed to the club, I think it’s pretty poor to suggest otherwise. They’ve also dipped into their pockets to sign at least two players I’m aware of.

Our revenues are up, we’ve spent money on players, laid a new pitch, upgraded hospitality etc.. We’ve also got a DoF in place who I believe will be a great appointment. Replace the current manager with someone decent and the foundations are there.

Have they spent their own cash or taken loans using assets as security?

[Brightside]

Afraid the owners have been pretty anonymous since Ron died, not sure how much interest the family have now in Hibs, it was more Ron's baby.

Ian is more involved than Ron ever was.

[GreenCastle]

I think it's just needing a few tweaks.

Recruitment!!!!

The recruitment of a CEO who can bring in a good manager and a manager who can get the best out of what we have plus improve us. Last few seasons are Groundhog Day with so many inconsistent performances.

Add in the recruitment of players - sign some players with leadership - who aren't soft - who won't be bullied but have a few skilful players around them.

Still need a decent number 1 keeper - who can catch crosses and make more saves.

New centre backs

Full backs - serious weak spot on both sides.

Centre midfield - not been sorted since SJM left - far too soft and poor balance.

Another central striker - replace Doidge

[Callum_62]

The family have repeated their commitment time and time again. However if the CEO and manager allegedly go to Fringe shows together then it must make it difficult for them to make clinical decisions.I took our whole department out to a fringe show and drinks

I'd still sack them if need be

Senior staff mixing at entertainment must be the most common thing around?

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[Steve-O]

This might be controversial, but where does the buck stop with regards to decisions, the future, strategy and more?

Since the unfortunate passing of Ron Gordon, I can't help but feel the club has been drifting aimlessly, and nothing of late makes me feel any more convinced that we have a plan, or idea, in place for either the present, or the future.

There really needs to be some clarity about who is ultimately in charge and responsible,

As much as I'm adamant Johnson's time is up, I've very little faith in either Kensall, or the owners, to deal with this latest debacle.

These issues were present before Ron Gordon died.

While the business side of the club actually seems very well run, it feels like the Gordons, Ron included, have had some bad advice or bad judgement along the way on the football side.

[coldingham hibs]

I think it's just needing a few tweaks.

Recruitment!!!!

The recruitment of a CEO who can bring in a good manager and a manager who can get the best out of what we have plus improve us. Last few seasons are Groundhog Day with so many inconsistent performances.

Add in the recruitment of players - sign some players with leadership - who aren't soft - who won't be bullied but have a few skilful players around them.

Still need a decent number 1 keeper - who can catch crosses and make more saves.

New centre backs

Full backs - serious weak spot on both sides.

Centre midfield - not been sorted since SJM left - far too soft and poor balance.

Another central striker - replace Doidge

Doidge has generally played well this season, I’m not sure I would be highlighting him to be replaced.

[Heisenberg]

These issues were present before Ron Gordon died.

While the business side of the club actually seems very well run, it feels like the Gordons, Ron included, have had some bad advice or bad judgement along the way on the football side.

Just got to hope Brian McDermott is the man to steer them in the right direction from now on. Kensell should be nowhere near the football side of the club.

[GreenCastle]

Doidge has generally played well this season, I’m not sure I would be highlighting him to be replaced.

I've always been a Doidge fan but we need better.

Though the central midfield - a left winger and the back line including keeper are higher priority.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Afraid the owners have been pretty anonymous since Ron died, not sure how much interest the family have now in Hibs, it was more Ron's baby.

Awful take I’m afraid.
The owners don’t need to be active in the media etc. we have a chairman, a CEO, A director of football. The club is clearly being backed financially.


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[jeffers]

Have they spent their own cash or taken loans using assets as security?

Own cash I believe.

[number9dream]

Does Ian Gordon have the backbone to step up and make serious decisions at this juncture or are we relying on BK hitting the self preservation button by turning on LJ?
The Maloney & LJ appointments point to gullibility and a weakness for empty buzzwords and name dropping rather than seeking a manager of substance.

[CropleyWasGod]

Have they spent their own cash or taken loans using assets as security?

If they had taken external secured loans, the securities would have been registered at Companies House.

The only securities lodged are in the name of Bydand, the holding company.

Either way, any loans are repayable.

[GreenCastle]

Ben sacking another manager - that would be 3 on his CV! Yes a board may decide but it's still closely linked to his job description.

For his next job - I'm sure that would be a question at the interview !

Both are on good wages - all just feels a bit too cozy at the club with people and players / staff in roles that are scared to make changes as they are getting a good salary.

Co-incidence we are a soft touch ?

[jeffers]

Does Ian Gordon have the backbone to step up and make serious decisions at this juncture or are we relying on BK hitting the self preservation button by turning on LJ?
The Maloney & LJ appointments point to gullibility and a weakness for empty buzzwords and name dropping rather than seeking a manager of substance.

The decision to sack Johnson will have been made by the board not one individual.

[PolmontHibby]

Have they spent their own cash or taken loans using assets as security?

I think they have put in loans from parent company with charge over club assets, documents have been lodged at Companies House, and interest appears to be 4% above BoE rate .......far too high in my view for a low risk related party loan with charges over assets....for some reason interest rate for the almost was not stated in the June 2022 financial statements. First charge only lodged April 2022 so will probably be next accounts we see the actual interest.

if there is a decent return on the hospitality the loan was probably used for fair enough....but 9.5% is in my view massive.

[lucky]

The family have repeated their commitment time and time again. However if the CEO and manager allegedly go to Fringe shows together then it must make it difficult for them to make clinical decisions.

Utter bollocks, I socialise with people junior and senior in my organisation and it does not stop anyone from making decisions clinical or otherwise.

[Lago]

Awful take I’m afraid.
The owners don’t need to be active in the media etc. we have a chairman, a CEO, A director of football. The club is clearly being backed financially.


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Ron was never slow to make a media presentation, to hold a question and answer session with the fans, at a time like this he would have out front and very visible.

[LewysGot2]

I took our whole department out to a fringe show and drinks

I'd still sack them if need be

Senior staff mixing at entertainment must be the most common thing around?

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Especially 2 folk living away from their families for work reasons

[Baldy Foghorn]

If they had taken external secured loans, the securities would have been registered at Companies House.

The only securities lodged are in the name of Bydand, the holding company.

Either way, any loans are repayable.

Cheers CWG

[ScottB]

I think it’s worth remembering, though Dempster had her plus points, the commercial side of the club was a joke, how many years did we have no sponsor?

I think the Gordon’s have questions to answer sure, but they’ve really improved things off the pitch, now they need to sort things on it.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think they have put in loans from parent company with charge over club assets, documents have been lodged at Companies House, and interest appears to be 4% above BoE rate .......far too high in my view for a low risk related party loan with charges over assets....for some reason interest rate for the almost was not stated in the June 2022 financial statements. First charge only lodged April 2022 so will probably be next accounts we see the actual interest.

if there is a decent return on the hospitality the loan was probably used for fair enough....but 9.5% is in my view massive.

That's the default rate, not the actual rate.

[Billy Whizz]

That's the default rate, not the actual rate.

So if Hibs pay late they get fined by the lender

[CropleyWasGod]

So if Hibs pay late they get fined by the lender

It's not a fine as such, but an increase in the interest rate. Pretty standard for business loans.

[Colr]

We've not been a well run club for quite some time, certainly not since Leeann Dempster left.

Queen’s Park have been going from strength to strength, though.

[Billy Whizz]

It's not a fine as such, but an increase in the interest rate. Pretty standard for business loans.

Sorry I worded it wrongly, I know you’d keep me in check😀

[Colr]

That's the default rate, not the actual rate.

What’s the actual rate?

[CropleyWasGod]

Sorry I worded it wrongly, I know you’d keep me in check😀

Pedantic me :greengrin But it is, effectively, a fine.....

[Hibees1973]

Yes, we need a new manager.

I would feel a whole lot better if Leeann Dempster came back and replaced Kensall.

Little chance of this sadly.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

What’s the actual rate?

So are we accepting that the funds made available will need to be repaid from Club income, and aren't money gifted to the club by a benefactor?

[CropleyWasGod]

What’s the actual rate?

Don't know. The accounts don't say, as PH said. That suggests it's interest-free, but then the accounts would say that too.



So are we accepting that the funds made available will need to be repaid from Club income, and aren't money gifted to the club by a benefactor?

Definitely a loan.

[Colr]

So are we accepting that the funds made available will need to be repaid from Club income, and aren't money gifted to the club by a benefactor?

That’s often the model.

[h1bs4life]

We've not been a well run club for quite some time, certainly not since Leeann Dempster left.

You can say about a lack of front of shirt sponsor for a season, but other than hospitality getting a lick of paint absolutely everything at the club was far better with her in charge of day to day. Better players, better recruitment, better managers, better strategy, and a better connection with the support.

We need to look as to what we did right back then and look to replicate it without losing the commercial eye that we now have.


Hospitality had a lick of paint , take it you have been in there recently?
Got an invite to Pioneers yesterday, 1st time ever been to hospitality which also included a stadium tour.
Had previously did a tour before the Gordon’s took over so thought I would recognise some of the places.
Transformation is unbelievable , different types of suites all busy considering it was Livingstone all I would suggest making good revenue for the club .
Hospitality isn’t my thing but thoroughly enjoyed the experience and would suggest ours is up there with the best and will be a big revenue generator required in modern football. Think a table for 4 in the pioneers is about £14k a season.
Ron Gordon had big plans for the club and the family seem to be very kean to see them through as a legacy to Ron with the next big redevelopment being in the famous 5 stand which Ron was working on before his passing .
Ron’s brother was in the Albion bar and Ian made an appearance when he was leaving .
I get the impression Ian is a lot more shy than his dad was which may be the reason for the lower profile. Might not end up being wrong but at this moment I have no doubt about the Gordon’s commitment

[Daily Hibs]

Difficult to criticise the ownership. Our turnover and commercial revenue has increased significantly allowing us to keep up with Hearts and Abderdeen in spending money on the team.

The problem is those who are running the day to day football operation and that is from Kensell down. Kensells contribution, achievements decision making as to who he has appointed below him needs seriously questioned along with Kensells performance himself.

We have become a culture of failure for a club our size and it is rince and repeat with no lessons learned.