Police Auditors (Hangman Audits visits Edinburgh)

[Edina Street]

For anyone that does not know about the new trend of Police Auditing sweeping YouTube, here is a description from the Police Scotland website.


Auditors and Social Media Bloggers are members of the public who attend policestations, other public/civil service buildings, including Ministry of Defence sites orongoing incidents, with the purpose of capturing staff on camera and live-streamingthe footage to social media platforms or uploading with edited content.There has been an increasing number of reported incidents within the UnitedKingdom whereby Auditors and Social Media Bloggers have used security concernsand limited preventative measures surrounding the filming of staff and premises toprovoke staff and site security into potentially embarrassing reactions, oftenasserting that staff are overstepping legal boundaries. They are also well versed intheir own rights and often cite legislation in their interactions with staff.
https://www.scotland.police.uk/spa-media/ngulpset/22-0731-data.pdf

For anyone wanting to verse themselves on the subject I would highly recommend The Laughing Auditor, whom has received publicity from the Main Stream Media, and also DJ Audits, whom has made it big and has moved on from testing the police to testing private security firms. Another good one is Reggie photo, who recently got a sergeant from the Lancashire police force into trouble for verbally abusing him.

Recently, Edinburgh got visited by a Police Auditor named Hangman Audits. He is not the best Police Auditor on the go, and receives a lot of negative feedback from YouTubers, and when he visited Edinburgh he barely got a rise out of the Police constables of Edinburgh, and about his only interaction with Police officers from Edinburgh came from his visit to Drylaw Police Station, and the Drylaw Police done Edinburgh proud. They acted politely and professionally, and appeared to be well versed in the laws surrounding peoples rights to film and photograph in public, and they even told him he was welcome to film inside the Police Station. They were not coerced into any aggressive actions, nor wrongful statements. So a massive fail for this Police Auditor regarding his visit to Edinburgh. Edinburgh must be one of the few cities in Britain who's constabulary proved themselves to be professional and friendly when confronted with a Police Auditor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWhKGP8H6n0&t=540s

[speedy_gonzales]

I personally just don't get it.
Members of the public out to provoke a reaction and when they get one, cry on social media.
I've seen the guys that fly drones and when ill -prepped security guards overstep the mark the vlogger seem to deliberately push buttons.
What's the purpose, what's to be gained and are we any richer for it???

[neil7908]

I am generally critical of the police but watched a couple of these videos and the boys filming them are absolute attention seeking baw bags.

They are doing it purely for the attention rather than any greater good.

All should get a real job and life.

[McSwanky]

****ing time wasters. Same people probably complaining that the police aren't out catching "real criminals" [emoji849]

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[Edina Street]

I personally just don't get it.
Members of the public out to provoke a reaction and when they get one, cry on social media.
I've seen the guys that fly drones and when ill -prepped security guards overstep the mark the vlogger seem to deliberately push buttons.
What's the purpose, what's to be gained and are we any richer for it???

There is definitely a debate to be had about the subject and many different perspectives to consider.

A retired Police interceptor has made some videos regarding his opinion of Police Auditors.

(Warning, he uses a lot of bad language and F-bombs that one would not expect of someone representing the Police, and a rather male chauvinist reference to what he does in the evenings regarding going home to "**** his pretty girlfriend" whilst Police Auditors go home to their YouTube videos. So maybe not suitable for everyone)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwILYHP2QWM

[silverhibee]

I personally just don't get it.
Members of the public out to provoke a reaction and when they get one, cry on social media.
I've seen the guys that fly drones and when ill -prepped security guards overstep the mark the vlogger seem to deliberately push buttons.
What's the purpose, what's to be gained and are we any richer for it???

Money, a few of the YouTubers AB DJ and a few others will be making a few quid from it.

It’s all about people’s rights to do what they can in public, photography is not a crime, but the police and big companies don’t like it when they are shown in bad light, and the police like to abuse there powers.

[silverhibee]

For anyone that does not know about the new trend of Police Auditing sweeping YouTube, here is a description from the Police Scotland website.


https://www.scotland.police.uk/spa-media/ngulpset/22-0731-data.pdf

For anyone wanting to verse themselves on the subject I would highly recommend The Laughing Scotsman, whom has received recognition from the MMS, and also DJ Audits, whom has made it big and has moved on from testing the police to testing private security firms. Another good one is Reggie photo, who recently got a sergeant from the Lancashire police force into trouble for verbally abusing him.

Recently, Edinburgh got visited by a Police Auditor named Hangman Audits. He is not the best Police Auditor on the go, and receives a lot of negative feedback from YouTubers, and when he visited Edinburgh he barely got a rise out of the Police constables of Edinburgh, and about his only interaction with Police officers from Edinburgh came from his visit to Drylaw Police station, and the Drylaw police done Edinburgh proud. They acted politely and professionally, and appeared to be well versed in the laws surrounding peoples rights to film and photograph in public, and they even told him he was welcome to film inside the Police station. They were not coerced into any aggressive actions, nor wrongful statements. So a massive fail for this Police Auditor regarding his visit to Edinburgh. Edinburgh must be one of the few cities in Britain who's constabulary proved themselves to be professional and friendly when confronted with a Police Auditor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWhKGP8H6n0&t=540s

Koleeberks. Fettes police station on YouTube.

[McD]

Koleeberks. Fettes police station on YouTube.


I’ve watched watched a few of his, didn’t know he’d done any in Scotland though

[Edina Street]

I’ve watched watched a few of his, didn’t know he’d done any in Scotland though

Yes, he travelled from one side of the country to the other wearing a pair of dirty old trainers so that he could stand in Fettes Police Station filming cars coming and going for no other reason than to make Police Officers suspicious enough to come and ask him why he was filming just so that he could make the point that when they ask for his name he doesn't have to give it, and then proceeded to spending hours standing arguing with them about which legislation act they are becoming paranoid under.

However it did not end well for the Englishman. The wannabe expert lawyer that would probably be silly enough to attend a job interview for no other reason than to make the interviewer aware that he knows his human-rights and that there is no legal requirement for him to give his name, went to Fettes to make a fool of Fettes Police, and a four part video series ended with him becoming detained, him trying to escape detainment, and finally him having his camera switched off and him being arrested, whilst begging for them to give him just one more chance to give his details, after previously refusing to give his details about one hundred times. He also pleaded in an extremely panicked fashion with them not to arrest him because he had a train back to England to catch. The video footage then goes dead as the arrest is made.

As far as I am aware, he has not made any civil lawsuit against the young Armed Officer that arrested him, so I must assume that this is because the young officer has educated the citizen journalist that trying to escape detainment is an offence which warrants arrest, what lead to the detainment is perfectly obvious to anyone watching the auditors own video footage, and no legislation under the sun can lawfully measure what amount of suspicious activity it takes to trigger paranoia, and it is open to interpretation and debate, and the young Armed Officer would be educated and intelligent enough to successfully argue this in court.

Another victory for Edinburgh Police.

Well done Fettes. Even Scotland Yard have failed to deal with those individuals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mq5dx0JXGU&t=1s

[silverhibee]

Yes, he travelled from one side of the country to the other wearing a pair of dirty old trainers so that he could stand in Fettes Police Station filming cars coming and going for no other reason than to make Police Officers suspicious enough to come and ask him why he was filming just so that he could make the point that when they ask for his name he doesn't have to give it, and then proceeded to spending hours standing arguing with them about which legislation act they are becoming paranoid under.

However it did not end well for the Englishman. The wannabe expert lawyer that would probably be silly enough to attend a job interview for no other reason than to make the interviewer aware that he knows his human-rights and that there is no legal requirement for him to give his name, went to Fettes to make a fool of Fettes Police, and a four part video series ended with him becoming detained, him trying to escape detainment, and finally him having his camera switched off and him being arrested, whilst begging for them to give him just one more chance to give his details, after previously refusing to give his details about one hundred times. He also pleaded in an extremely panicked fashion with them not to arrest him because he had a train back to England to catch. The video footage then goes dead as the arrest is made.

As far as I am aware, he has not made any civil lawsuit against the young Armed Officer that arrested him, so I must assume that this is because the young officer has educated the citizen journalist that trying to escape detainment is an offence which warrants arrest, what lead to the detainment is perfectly obvious to anyone watching the auditors own video footage, and no legislation under the sun can lawfully measure what amount of suspicious activity it takes to trigger paranoia, and it is open to interpretation and debate, and the young Armed Officer would be educated and intelligent enough to successfully argue this in court.

Another victory for Edinburgh Police.

Well done Fettes. Even Scotland Yard have failed to deal with those individuals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mq5dx0JXGU&t=1s

He doesn’t have to give his details, and he is now serving 7 years in jail for supplying an undercover cop with drugs.

[silverhibee]

I’ve watched watched a few of his, didn’t know he’d done any in Scotland though

Think he done a few police stations but got no hassle at others, in the video he mentioned that he had been up at Gayfield square and St Leonard’s and had no problems dealing with police on these occasions.

[Edina Street]

He doesn’t have to give his details, and he is now serving 7 years in jail for supplying an undercover cop with drugs.

He does not have to give his name, but as BlackBeltBarrister points out in the video beneath, Police Auditors fail to realise that legislation is not black and white, and there are always going to be scenarios which the courts are going to have to consider that are not covered by any legislation. One example would be that the Police Officer arrests a Police Auditor due to him failing to give his name, and the Auditor argues in court that legislation states he does not legally have to give his name, and the Police Officer responds by stating, but by the fact that you were not providing your name, and were refusing to be honest about your reasons for being here, we became suspicious that you might be practicing hostile reconnaissance, and if I suspect that then I would be neglecting my duty as a Police Officer to not arrest you. Now, the Police Auditor may argue back that he had already told the Police Officer that he was a Police Auditor, and he would expect that this would be enough to admonish him. However the Police Officer could give the court something further to consider. He could argue that "yes" he was aware that the individual was posing as a Police Auditor, however I was suspicious that he could have been hostile reconnaissance posing as a Police Auditor in order to get information and knowledge about potential security vulnerabilities. Once the Police have made a court aware of those concerns, it really does boil down to whether the Police were polite and friendly during their interactions with the Police Auditor, and made the arrest in a civil manner or not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzhRyFuucVI

At the end of the day, all not having to give your name means, is that at no point is the Police Officer going to charge and arrest you for failing to give your name. But there are potentially dozens of other things you could be arrested for, some of those things as a result of not giving your name.

[Oscar T Grouch]

To add to what the OP posted. This is a trend from the USA, the big difference is the American police auditors are protected by their constitution. The UK auditors think they have more rights than they actually have and polis over here can arrest you for anything now since the Public Order Act 2023 was passed. The USA ones are usually entertaining and the successful ones do have a good record of suing the police over there and one of the best known ones has got a few police departments to change the way they operate, which is what they want. There are another group that pushes the limits of what is protected behaviour, like getting in the polices faces, calling them names and swearing at them. I have less sympathy for those guys. We all need to be aware of police behaviour and report it when it is excessive. I think the auditors will die out over hear as a youTube phenomenon once a few of them have been jailed.

[silverhibee]

He does not have to give his name, but as BlackBeltBarrister points out in the video beneath, Police Auditors fail to realise that legislation is not black and white, and there are always going to be scenarios which the courts are going to have to consider that are not covered by any legislation. One example would be that the Police Officer arrests a Police Auditor due to him failing to give his name, and the Auditor argues in court that legislation states he does not legally have to give his name, and the Police Officer responds by stating, but by the fact that you were not providing your name, and were refusing to be honest about your reasons for being here, we became suspicious that you might be practicing hostile reconnaissance, and if I suspect that then I would be neglecting my duty as a Police Officer to not arrest you. Now, the Police Auditor may argue back that he had already told the Police Officer that he was a Police Auditor, and he would expect that this would be enough to admonish him. However the Police Officer could give the court something further to consider. He could argue that "yes" he was aware that the individual was posing as a Police Auditor, however I was suspicious that he could have been hostile reconnaissance posing as a Police Auditor in order to get information and knowledge about potential security vulnerabilities. Once the Police have made a court aware of those concerns, it really does boil down to whether the Police were polite and friendly during their interactions with the Police Auditor, and made the arrest in a civil manner or not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzhRyFuucVI

At the end of the day, all not having to give your name means, is that at no point is the Police Officer going to charge and arrest you for failing to give your name. But there are potentially dozens of other things you could be arrested for, some of those things as a result of not giving your name.

Some of these auditors are more clued up about the law than the police officers that force it, as has been shown many a time on these videos, god knows how much compensation the met police must pay to auditors for illegal detainments when they haven’t had a clue what they are detaining these people, just because you are outside a police station with a camera doesn’t give the police the right to detain you under section 43, they are basically abusing there powers to get information from you, in most cases the police will pay out to the individual for illegal detainment and get compensation, I bet if it was coming out there own salary they would think twice about saying you have every right to make a complaint against us.

It is also a bit different from folk who audit in Scotland to folk who do it down south, folk who do it here don’t last long, the police harass them so much it’s not worth the time and money, losing phones drones and body cams can be expensive, but in England auditors get away with a lot more, are police more wary because they have to wear body cams all the time and have to be more careful how they interact whereas no body cams worn by local police in Scotland so can get away with bending the rules a wee bit more here.

[Ozyhibby]

Seems like people just wasting police time?


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[silverhibee]

To add to what the OP posted. This is a trend from the USA, the big difference is the American police auditors are protected by their constitution. The UK auditors think they have more rights than they actually have and polis over here can arrest you for anything now since the Public Order Act 2023 was passed. The USA ones are usually entertaining and the successful ones do have a good record of suing the police over there and one of the best known ones has got a few police departments to change the way they operate, which is what they want. There are another group that pushes the limits of what is protected behaviour, like getting in the polices faces, calling them names and swearing at them. I have less sympathy for those guys. We all need to be aware of police behaviour and report it when it is excessive. I think the auditors will die out over hear as a youTube phenomenon once a few of them have been jailed.

https://nation.cymru/news/community-order-for-welsh-police-inspector-who-assaulted-vulnerable-boy/

Think it’s the police that need to worry about the jail if they behave like this, there is a video which is quite hard to listen to, police abusing their powers like this is just wrong.

[Glory Lurker]

Seems like people just wasting police time?


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Sounds it to me, too. All Freemen of the Land too, probably.

[Edina Street]

Some of these auditors are more clued up about the law than the police officers that force it, as has been shown many a time on these videos, god knows how much compensation the met police must pay to auditors for illegal detainments when they haven’t had a clue what they are detaining these people, just because you are outside a police station with a camera doesn’t give the police the right to detain you under section 43, they are basically abusing there powers to get information from you, in most cases the police will pay out to the individual for illegal detainment and get compensation, I bet if it was coming out there own salary they would think twice about saying you have every right to make a complaint against us.

It is also a bit different from folk who audit in Scotland to folk who do it down south, folk who do it here don’t last long, the police harass them so much it’s not worth the time and money, losing phones drones and body cams can be expensive, but in England auditors get away with a lot more, are police more wary because they have to wear body cams all the time and have to be more careful how they interact whereas no body cams worn by local police in Scotland so can get away with bending the rules a wee bit more here.

I agree that there are instances of Police Officers being shown to be grossly negligent when it comes to their understanding of legislation, especially legislation surrounding the use of drones. I think a very good example of a Police Officer being shown to be grossly uneducated can be shown in this video below. Not only does the Police Officer get shown by his superiors to have been completely wrong about his understanding of the law, the Officer had previously threatened to make an arrest based upon his lack of understanding of the law.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmDZ5_QacDA

However, I will also add that each incident should be evaluated seperately. The circumstances that showed this Police Officer in a negative light were not present during the case with Fettes Police whom acted impeccably. I would also argue that Police Auditors are being unreasonable to expect Police Officers to be an encyclopedia upon Legislation Acts. For me, the downfall of the Police Officer in the video above was not his failure to know all the legislation regarding drones, it was his failure to show humility and admit that he was unaware of all the legislations, and make an effort to educate himself on the matter, rather than insisting that he was correct based upon assumptions that might be based upon false perceptions. However we need to remember that those Police Officers are not ChatGPT bots.

It must be noted that the Auditor in this video has moved on to mostly auditing private security firms. I do see merit in this as private corporations appear to be under the false impression that they are above the law, and their security guards clearly have difficulty understanding that company policy is not equal to that of the law. However, the irony is, that most of DJ Audits videos end with the Police coming to his rescue and much to the dismay of the corporation and their security staff, giving them a lesson on the law. This is the same Auditor whom in other videos tries to expose the Police for their lack of knowledge. So there are perception deceptions on all sides with plenty irony.

[Edina Street]

Seems like people just wasting police time?


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I would definitely agree that most instances of Police Auditing fall into this category.

[grunt]

Doesn't seem to be any "Auditing" going on in these videos at all.

[Edina Street]

Doesn't seem to be any "Auditing" going on in these videos at all.

To view the most extreme and rare cases of Police Officers getting found out to have committed a real crime during their interactions with Police Auditors, check out the videos that resulted in large compensation claims being paid out, such as this one in the video below where DJ Audits clearly becomes the victim of Police brutality at the hands of a psychotic Police Inspector. I am sure we can both agree that this Auditor was successful in finding out at least one giant flaw with the Derbyshire Police force's style of Policing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfgAZg_uJmo

DJ Audits also deserves credit for donating the compensation payment to the family of the dead man who's death he was investigating when he became a victim of Inspector Adams brutality.

[grunt]

You've misunderstood me if you think I have any interest whatsoever in these videos.

[Allant1981]

These "auditors" are all attention seeking wee tools and one of these days will end up in serious bother with someone, I don't know how some of the people being "audited" have the patience with them when they are just trying to get on with their day to day jobs

[McSwanky]

These "auditors" are all attention seeking wee tools and one of these days will end up in serious bother with someone, I don't know how some of the people being "audited" have the patience with them when they are just trying to get on with their day to day jobsThey remind me of me when I was a wee boy, tormenting my big sisters until one of them would snap and lamp me. Which is exactly what I was after. "Muuuuuuuuum, she hit me, I didn't do anything." No doubt what they're doing is legal, but it's hardly a proper "audit"when they're clearly trying to get under the police's skin.

[lapsedhibee]

They remind me of me when I was a wee boy, tormenting my big sisters until one of them would snap and lamp me. Which is exactly what I was after. "Muuuuuuuuum, she hit me, I didn't do anything." No doubt what they're doing is legal, but it's hardly a proper "audit"when they're clearly trying to get under the police's skin.

Braverman is already drafting a new Bill making Provocation With Intent To Youtube a crime punishable by Transportation To Norfolk Island.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bunch of gimps.

Edit: just to be clear, that’s the auditors, not folk on this thread :greengrin

[Edina Street]

These "auditors" are all attention seeking wee tools and one of these days will end up in serious bother with someone, I don't know how some of the people being "audited" have the patience with them when they are just trying to get on with their day to day jobsI agree that most of those Auditors are definitely in it for kudos, and they are definitely intentionally provoking Police Officers into interacting with them so that they can attempt to make a fool of the Police Officer's lack of knowledge concerning the rights of the public,. I also respect that there are moral and ethical arguments to be had surrounding the act of baiting someone. However I am yet to witness an Auditor who's behaviour could be considered to be provoking or justifying violence, and if a person is successful in exposing someone's criminal, violent or aggressive tendencies to both themselves and the general public then where is the harm in that? Perhaps the Police themselves should be considering ways that they can educate and encourage the public to participate in political debate in a philosophical, academic and professional manner.Having said all this, I personally would not like it if an Auditor turned up outside my home and began filming my car, my garden, my walls, and sent a drone flying over the roof of my home to show the general public what my back garden looks like and perhaps what belongings I have in my shed, for no other reason than he has this obsessive compulsive delusion regarding what my perceptions of legislation are, and he wishes to teach me that he is perfectly within his rights to do this. Whilst I would probably feel like assaulting the individual, I would remind myself that this individual probably just resembles the oddest of oddballs, rather than a hardcore criminal, probably more in line with a stamp collector or trainspotter than a gangster, and whilst he may be correct about the legislation surrounding his actions, I would certainly want, and expect, the individual to be removed from near my property should he fail to show respect for my request for privacy, even if it meant him being charged with stalking or harassment.Police Auditors have thrown up some very interesting and varying concepts to consider.

[Oscar T Grouch]

https://nation.cymru/news/community-order-for-welsh-police-inspector-who-assaulted-vulnerable-boy/

Think it’s the police that need to worry about the jail if they behave like this, there is a video which is quite hard to listen to, police abusing their powers like this is just wrong.

I don’t disagree with you but what I’m saying is that auditors in the UK do not hold the same protections that they do in the USA, they leave themselves open to prosecution and abuse by the polis. I’m all for videoing the polis at every opportunity, they’ve been handed powers they neither needed or deserved. The polis institutions again and again have been proven to be racist, misogynistic and homophobic, that along with their new powers makes them quite dangerous imho.