The 2023-2024 Coefficient Thread

[SJNB Hibby]

So seeing as how we have already contributed to the Scottish coefficient, I thought I’d start a little thread
Last year the 3 non OF teams were 1-0-5 in their qualifiers.So we’ve equalled that, and hopefully us Hearts and Aberdeen can add a few more points in the next round. It looks like two teams will enter the Europa League next season(Depending on who wins the Conf League) so more ability to drop down to the Conf League. And if Hibs can keep getting top 4 or 5 it helps for an easier path to the Group Stages.
Rangers helped by getting through two qualifiers, but the combined 2-2-14 in group stages led to a disasterous coefficient of 3.5(0.8 of which was automatic for Celtic going straight to the Group stages.)
Another 3.5 and we’ll start careering down the table…Turkey and Austria are making moves on us.
Good news of course is Russia, who in a year or two will be down to 3 teams(If theyre ever allowed back in---I see theyre making moves on switching to Asia)
So we entered this season 9th. Will be almost impossible to catch Belgium, so need to keep the others behind us.
Sweden are off to a disasterous start, only 1 team left

[MacBean]

Sweden are off to a disasterous start, only 1 team left

And they’ll face Aberdeen should they win their tie

[SJNB Hibby]

PSV winning against Sturm Graz yesterday was a boost. Israeli teams doing well today though, and theyre working their way up the table

[JamesHFC]

Us & Rangers beating the Swiss teams would be a massive bonus.

[Malthibby]

Us & Rangers beating the Swiss teams would be a massive bonus.

Get some soap & wash yer mouth out...:greengrin
Sadly you're right but that doesn't make it right.

[Frazerbob]

I hope Hearts, The Rangers and Celtc contribute very little to the coefficient

[SJNB Hibby]

Us & Rangers beating the Swiss teams would be a massive bonus.
After this year we lose that 9,75 from 2019-2020. Right now we're starting next season 15th, so that 5th place would disappear for 2025-2026.
We need points folks

[hibee1875]

I hope Hearts, The Rangers and Celtc contribute very little to the coefficient

Don’t understand this stance. All it does is hinder Hibs chances of entering at a later stage or even guaranteed group stages

[cabbageandribs1875]

in my more mature years i don't mind the old firm getting further in European games


it benefits the rest of scottish footy

[marinello59]

in my more mature years i don't mind the old firm getting further in European games


it benefits the rest of scottish footy

In my more mature years I still want to see them get absolutely horsed. :greengrin

[lyonhibs]

In my more mature years I still want to see them get absolutely horsed. :greengrin

I can flip flop between the 2 as I see fit. Means I don't get raging if they do well but still get to laugh uproariously if they get humped early doors.

[Frazerbob]

Don’t understand this stance. All it does is hinder Hibs chances of entering at a later stage or even guaranteed group stages

The better Rangers and Celtic do in Europe, the more ridiculous our domestic game gets. As it is, nobody else can win the league. Many more seasons of Celtic earning £50m from qualifying for the Champions League and the very slim chance the rest of us have if winning a cup will be gone for good. Hearts and Aberdeen collecting £5-8m from group stage football is only going to make our goal of third in the league all the more unrealistic.

European football is a bonus, domestic league & cup football is what I care about. I don’t want Hearts to win any game, ever.

[Not In The Know]

Can the The Rangers still boost the coefficient in the Europa League just as well as they could in the Champions League? If so that’s the ideal scenario. As they will get significantly less cash!

[Frazerbob]

in my more mature years i don't mind the old firm getting further in European games


it benefits the rest of scottish footy

Celtic earning an extra £50m every year, on top of their already huge budget through attendance, sponsorship, corrupt TV deals etc is NOT benefiting Scottish football. With every passing year the chasm is getting wider and wider and it’s killing our game as a competition.

[hibee1875]

The better Rangers and Celtic do in Europe, the more ridiculous our domestic game gets. As it is, nobody else can win the league. Many more seasons of Celtic earning £50m from qualifying for the Champions League and the very slim chance the rest of us have if winning a cup will be gone for good. Hearts and Aberdeen collecting £5-8m from group stage football is only going to make our goal of third in the league all the more unrealistic.

European football is a bonus, domestic league & cup football is what I care about. I don’t want Hearts to win any game, ever.

The horse has bolted on how ridiculous our game is in terms of how far ahead they are.

What if Hibs were to earn £5-8m by getting the guaranteed group stages? We were a penalty miss away from getting that last season.

[JamesHFC]

Get some soap & wash yer mouth out...:greengrin
Sadly you're right but that doesn't make it right.

It felt dirty 😅

PSV will beat them this time anyway. Just need to get the Swiss teams out 🤞

[danhibees1875]

Don't mind Rangers and Celtic racking up the coefficient with wins and the resultant money, they're too far gone now anyway. Its still funny when they don't, and I'd not want them to actually win anything at the end of their efforts.

Hearts/Aberdeen - hope they fall short of group stage football. The money makes a big difference to our ability to compete with them.

[Silky]

Don't mind Rangers and Celtic racking up the coefficient with wins and the resultant money, they're too far gone now anyway. Its still funny when they don't, and I'd not want them to actually win anything at the end of their efforts.

Hearts/Aberdeen - hope they fall short of group stage football. The money makes a big difference to our ability to compete with them.

Does it, though? It depends on how they use that money. Will it be spent wisely, or will they buy duds? If they have a bad spell, could they blow a lot on paying off managers/failed players? Having more money than us doesn't necessarily mean spending it better.

[Frazerbob]

The horse has bolted on how ridiculous our game is in terms of how far ahead they are.

What if Hibs were to earn £5-8m by getting the guaranteed group stages? We were a penalty miss away from getting that last season.

There’s still a slim chance one if the rest could win a cup. Many more years of Celtic (and Rangers) taking in addition tens of millions by reaching the CL group stage and that slim chance will be gone for ever. I’ve hopefully hit 20-30 years left on this planet. The thought of no more cup parades down Leith Walk in that time is pretty depressing. That’s the cost of Rantic doing well in Europe.

[One Day Soon]

In my more mature years I still want to see them get absolutely horsed. :greengrin

Senseless. Horsed senseless.

[Fergus52]

After this year we lose that 9,75 from 2019-2020. Right now we're starting next season 15th, so that 5th place would disappear for 2025-2026.
We need points folks

There's a years delay between our season finishing and the coefficient ranking affecting the access list, or qualification places.

the 2025-2026 access list is determined by our ranking at the end of this season, we're currently 9th and might get taken over by a couple of teams but unlikely to drop out the top 12 unless Celtic and Rangers really flop.

If we ended next season in 15th then it wouldn't remove our 5th European place until 2026/2027

[Phil MaGlass]

I can flip flop between the 2 as I see fit. Means I don't get raging if they do well but still get to laugh uproariously if they get humped early doors.

Is uproariously an actual word :-)

[Paulie Walnuts]

There's a years delay between our season finishing and the coefficient ranking affecting the access list, or qualification places.

the 2025-2026 access list is determined by our ranking at the end of this season, we're currently 9th and might get taken over by a couple of teams but unlikely to drop out the top 12 unless Celtic and Rangers really flop.

If we ended next season in 15th then it wouldn't remove our 5th European place until 2026/2027

So we’ve likely got 2 more goes at it as things stand.

[Joe6-2]

The better Rangers and Celtic do in Europe, the more ridiculous our domestic game gets. As it is, nobody else can win the league. Many more seasons of Celtic earning £50m from qualifying for the Champions League and the very slim chance the rest of us have if winning a cup will be gone for good. Hearts and Aberdeen collecting £5-8m from group stage football is only going to make our goal of third in the league all the more unrealistic.
European football is a bonus, domestic league & cup football is what I care about. I don’t want Hearts to win any game, ever.

Very good points made

[SJNB Hibby]

Another 0.2 points for the coefficient tonight!
Last year the non OF teams went 1-0-5 in their qualifiers----Hibs have beaten that all on our own

[greenlex]

I get the “importance “ of the coefficient but personally think the logic is flawed from a financial viewpoint. Yes it would be easier to get European football but it’s also easier for others too. Especially the old firm to get champions league football. All that will do is widen the already huge financial gap that exists. On that basis the coefficient can do one as far as I’m concerned.

[Eyrie]

The extra cash that the Ugly Sisters will get from progressing in Europe is largely irrelevant to their domestic dominance. It still requires them to have an off day and their opponent to be on its game for there to be any chance of them losing, even against us, Aberdeen or Hearts, let alone the rest of the football teams.

So if their progress helps Hibs when we are in Europe by getting us a better seeding, a later entry or even improving our chances of group football then I can thole the thought of them winning games.

Otherwise, bleep the pair of them.

[SJNB Hibby]

Rangers drawing and Sturm Graz losing stretched our lead over Austria EVER so slightlySnag a draw Thursday against another Swiss team, and maybe snag a draw in one of the ties against Villa wont hurt. And think the Yams might at least get a draw against Rosenborg.Gotta keep looking ahead

[pepe]

To me the problem is glaringly obvious for Scottish football. No matter how much money the ugly sisters bring in from European competition they refuse point blank to spend it within the league on players. They think nothing of spending 8million on an unproven dud but let the cream of talent on their doorstep slip through their fingers . Mcginn , Lewis Ferguson , Nisbet, Doig , Gilmour, to name a few

[SJNB Hibby]

To me the problem is glaringly obvious for Scottish football. No matter how much money the ugly sisters bring in from European competition they refuse point blank to spend it within the league on players. They think nothing of spending 8million on an unproven dud but let the cream of talent on their doorstep slip through their fingers . Mcginn , Lewis Ferguson , Nisbet, Doig , Gilmour, to name a fewWell I'd rather see Doig go to Italy than sit on the bench for Der Hun. Don't we always complain about the OF grabbing the best young Scottish players, only to have them sit on the bench??

[scoopyboy]

Rangers drawing and Sturm Graz losing stretched our lead over Austria EVER so slightlySnag a draw Thursday against another Swiss team, and maybe snag a draw in one of the ties against Villa wont hurt. And think the Yams might at least get a draw against Rosenborg.Gotta keep looking ahead

I would love Hearts to get a draw on Thursday to help the countries coefficient.

[Green Man]

I would love Hearts to get a draw on Thursday to help the countries coefficient.

I can’t remember how it works - if they win by one goal then go out on penalties, do we still get a full coefficient point?

[McSwanky]

I can’t remember how it works - if they win by one goal then go out on penalties, do we still get a full coefficient point?I don't know about that, but I'll definitely get a right good laugh if they do

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[SJNB Hibby]

I can’t remember how it works - if they win by one goal then go out on penalties, do we still get a full coefficient point?yeah not too sure myself. I would say yes----cant see how we lose points because of penalties---will see how KassiesA has it for other penalty deciders in the morning

[pepe]

Well I'd rather see Doig go to Italy than sit on the bench for Der Hun. Don't we always complain about the OF grabbing the best young Scottish players, only to have them sit on the bench??

Who cares what they do when we leave. It’s how much we get that matters. Celtic knew what Mcginn was worth but could not bare us benefitting from them.

[the_ginger_hibee]

I can’t remember how it works - if they win by one goal then go out on penalties, do we still get a full coefficient point?

The result only counts, in coefficient terms, up to the end of extra time. Pens don't count. So if it's 1-0 at Full-time but 1-1 or 1-2 at FT of Extra-Time, Hearts get the points for a draw or defeat. If it's 1-0 after extra time Hearts get the points for a win - regardless of penalty outcome.

[Green Man]

The result only counts, in coefficient terms, up to the end of extra time. Pens don't count. So if it's 1-0 at Full-time but 1-1 or 1-2 at FT of Extra-Time, Hearts get the points for a draw or defeat. If it's 1-0 after extra time Hearts get the points for a win - regardless of penalty outcome.

Thanks. Fingers crossed for the defeat on penalties then :greengrin

[matty_f]

To me the problem is glaringly obvious for Scottish football. No matter how much money the ugly sisters bring in from European competition they refuse point blank to spend it within the league on players. They think nothing of spending 8million on an unproven dud but let the cream of talent on their doorstep slip through their fingers . Mcginn , Lewis Ferguson , Nisbet, Doig , Gilmour, to name a few

This is a good point, and actually if Rangers and Celtic - Celtic in particular - wanted to boost their chances of doing well in Europe then investing in the league massively helps them as it gives the other Euro sides more of a chance to compete and boost the coefficient, which in turn increases their chances of regular group stage Champions League football.

[Billy Whizz]

This is a good point, and actually if Rangers and Celtic - Celtic in particular - wanted to boost their chances of doing well in Europe then investing in the league massively helps them as it gives the other Euro sides more of a chance to compete and boost the coefficient, which in turn increases their chances of regular group stage Champions League football.

Saw this on LinkedIn

[007]

Edinburgh doing our bit.

[WhileTheChief..]

This is a good point, and actually if Rangers and Celtic - Celtic in particular - wanted to boost their chances of doing well in Europe then investing in the league massively helps them as it gives the other Euro sides more of a chance to compete and boost the coefficient, which in turn increases their chances of regular group stage Champions League football.

Thing is though that any time we have a player linked with the old firm we all hope the player will go down south instead.

We generally bump our gums for selling to them, especially Rangers.

[jacomo]

Thing is though that any time we have a player linked with the old firm we all hope the player will go down south instead.

We generally bump our gums for selling to them, especially Rangers.


Ripping off other Scottish clubs and patronising them with low ball offers not ok. Investing in the game is ok.

I’ve said it for years, but it’s in the Old Firm’s interest to build up Scottish football, and have other clubs who can compete. Instead they colluded for years to impoverish other clubs, and then complain that clubs in Scotland are poor and can’t afford to buy good players.

Maybe, just maybe, the penny will drop. I believe that Ron Gordon was trying to do exactly this: build up the entire SPFL, as a stronger, more competitive league would be good for everybody.

[Bristolhibby]

Thanks. Fingers crossed for the defeat on penalties then :greengrin

Cants get an injury time deflected winner.

The most Hearts way to go through.

J

[Daily Hibs]

This is a good point, and actually if Rangers and Celtic - Celtic in particular - wanted to boost their chances of doing well in Europe then investing in the league massively helps them as it gives the other Euro sides more of a chance to compete and boost the coefficient, which in turn increases their chances of regular group stage Champions League football.This doesn't make any sense. The other clubs are still getting the same money from clubs outwith Scotland. Surely you dont want clubs out with Old Firm getting nett weaker by also selling their best players to the Old Firm???I'm delighted we sold McGinn to Villa rather than Celtic!If anything selling to the Old Firm will mean clubs getting weaker as they wont pay the same money.

[PatHead]

How have tonight's results and Sevco's helped the co-efficient?

[H18 SFR]

How have tonight's results and Sevco's helped the co-efficient?

Made it impossible for Switzerland to overtake us. Huge benefit to us.

[Silky]

Made it impossible for Switzerland to overtake us. Huge benefit to us.

Austria Vienna went out as well, although Rapid got through. I know from previous posts that Austria were one of the countries chasing us, so hopefully that helps a little.

[SJNB Hibby]

Made it impossible for Switzerland to overtake us. Huge benefit to us.Doubt it's impossible....but we're one of only 9 countries with 5 teams left. 4 Scottish teams involved next week, and we've got 1 win and one draw LESS than ALL of last year

[SJNB Hibby]

Can't see Der Hun beating PSV two seasons in a row, and if they do, six straight defeats wont help much. Best if they win at home. lose overall, drop into the EL, win 3-4 games, drop into the CL. make the playoffs and we smash them in the Semishttps://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/greengrin2.gif

[SJNB Hibby]

Amazingly, we've more teams left in Europe than Portugal!!

[He's here!]

The better Rangers and Celtic do in Europe, the more ridiculous our domestic game gets. As it is, nobody else can win the league. Many more seasons of Celtic earning £50m from qualifying for the Champions League and the very slim chance the rest of us have if winning a cup will be gone for good. Hearts and Aberdeen collecting £5-8m from group stage football is only going to make our goal of third in the league all the more unrealistic.

European football is a bonus, domestic league & cup football is what I care about. I don’t want Hearts to win any game, ever.

The yam/Shankland love-in on the BBC is nauseating. I'd have been delighted if they'd gone out last night. Would have made our progress even sweeter.

[cabbageandribs1875]

whether we like it or not, probably not :greengrin:, we could do with the gruesome twosome gaining more points this and every season really https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/spfl-teams-go-coefficient-busting-as-celtic-bank-guarantee-without-playing-and-fab-five-rip-up-euro-script/ar-AA1fqWCn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=91ab0341744f427e923334dbbd2d27e2&ei=67

[H18 SFR]

Doubt it's impossible....but we're one of only 9 countries with 5 teams left. 4 Scottish teams involved next week, and we've got 1 win and one draw LESS than ALL of last year

Fair enough, I suppose it is possible that Lugano will out point Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts and ourselves combined.

[SJNB Hibby]

Fair enough, I suppose it is possible that Lugano will out point Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts and ourselves combined.Theyve still got 3 teams involved----Servette dropped down to the Europa League. Not sure who the third team is

[SJNB Hibby]

Theyve still got 3 teams involved----Servette dropped down to the Europa League. Not sure who the third team isYoung Boys in ECL Playoffs on Tuesday

[jacomo]

whether we like it or not, probably not :greengrin:, we could do with the gruesome twosome gaining more points this and every season really https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/spfl-teams-go-coefficient-busting-as-celtic-bank-guarantee-without-playing-and-fab-five-rip-up-euro-script/ar-AA1fqWCn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=91ab0341744f427e923334dbbd2d27e2&ei=67


Celtc and/or Rangers getting a load of champions league cash won’t help us or anyone else compete with them domestically. But the Scottish league is already wildly unbalanced, we all know that. I’d rather it was unbalanced at a higher level, with clubs like us, Aberdeen, and yes the Jambos able to compete in Europe and bring more money into our game.

[SJNB Hibby]

So how are we doing I hear you ask.
Well some good news: already better than last year; fairly well against some of our nearest competitors(Austria, switzerland, Serbia, Ukraine)
Bad news is Turkey & the Czechs. Turkey are well past, and the Czechs are gaining ground fast---Rangers win last night really helped. But we at best will have one team going through to the play-offs. Turkey and the Czechs COULD have 2/3
If we want 5th place to qualify going forward, we need to hang on to 10th. And I know 5th place should be the weakest team, but this year it was us, and we've managed 1/3 of the Scottish wins this year

[SJNB Hibby]

This weeks results have certainly helped with the coefficient. we've picked up 6.2 points this season, way better than last seasons 3.5, but still well short of the 9.7 we're going to lose after this year, and I doubt Rangers can make that up unless they win the Cup.So we're holding down 10th place having been overtaken by Turkey who have 2 teams left in competition, but the real winners so far this season are Czechia, with a whopping 12 points, the 5th most of all the countries, and with 3 teams left are almost certainly going to overtake us
Can't honestly say how this affects our numbers, But this year 13 countries had 5+ teams in competition....Denmark are currently 14th 4 points back with only one team left(Thank you Man utd). So I think the big hit will be losing the automatic Group stage spot in the CL

[oneone73]

This weeks results have certainly helped with the coefficient. we've picked up 6.2 points this season, way better than last seasons 3.5, but still well short of the 9.7 we're going to lose after this year, and I doubt Rangers can make that up unless they win the Cup.So we're holding down 10th place having been overtaken by Turkey who have 2 teams left in competition, but the real winners so far this season are Czechia, with a whopping 12 points, the 5th most of all the countries, and with 3 teams left are almost certainly going to overtake us
Can't honestly say how this affects our numbers, But this year 13 countries had 5+ teams in competition....Denmark are currently 14th 4 points back with only one team left(Thank you Man utd). So I think the big hit will be losing the automatic Group stage spot in the CL
Damn, that could be a nuisance for us.

[Fergus52]

This weeks results have certainly helped with the coefficient. we've picked up 6.2 points this season, way better than last seasons 3.5, but still well short of the 9.7 we're going to lose after this year, and I doubt Rangers can make that up unless they win the Cup.So we're holding down 10th place having been overtaken by Turkey who have 2 teams left in competition, but the real winners so far this season are Czechia, with a whopping 12 points, the 5th most of all the countries, and with 3 teams left are almost certainly going to overtake us
Can't honestly say how this affects our numbers, But this year 13 countries had 5+ teams in competition....Denmark are currently 14th 4 points back with only one team left(Thank you Man utd). So I think the big hit will be losing the automatic Group stage spot in the CL

Czechia should overtake us, but its extremely unlikely that two out of Switzerland, Austria, Denmark Norway also do. So by the end of the season we'll probably still be 11th which is enough for whoever comes 3rd in 24/25 to have guaranteed group stage places again for the following season.

[PHeffernan]

This weeks results have certainly helped with the coefficient. we've picked up 6.2 points this season, way better than last seasons 3.5, but still well short of the 9.7 we're going to lose after this year, and I doubt Rangers can make that up unless they win the Cup.So we're holding down 10th place having been overtaken by Turkey who have 2 teams left in competition, but the real winners so far this season are Czechia, with a whopping 12 points, the 5th most of all the countries, and with 3 teams left are almost certainly going to overtake us
Can't honestly say how this affects our numbers, But this year 13 countries had 5+ teams in competition....Denmark are currently 14th 4 points back with only one team left(Thank you Man utd). So I think the big hit will be losing the automatic Group stage spot in the CL

The 3 wins this week for Scotlands teams plus the bonus points that Rangers earned by topping their group has made a world of difference to our UEFA coefficient.
Last season Scotland were a horrific 29th best performing nation. This season we are a more respectable 16th.

The extra 2.2 points earned this week will help when a massive 9.75 points drops off our coefficient in the summer (season 2019/20). The countries currently below us in 11th to 16th will be losing far less, which will see us dropping down a few places but give us a chance to reduce the damage by the end of next season.

Turkey have earned more than twice as many coefficient points than Scotland in the last 2 seasons and will continue leaving us for dead for another 2 seasons at least and they ain't coming back.
The Czech Republic will also have earned twice as many points in the same time frame and will surge ahead of us in the summer when they lose only 2.5 points (season 2019/20). We may even hold them off this season for 10th if their 3 clubs get skittled by big hitters in the next round of fixtures.
The main reason behind our fall from grace in the last 2 seasons has been Celtic not being rich or good enough to compete in the CL.

You say the big hit will be losing the automatic CL automatic group place but I see it as a win. This is the 4th season in a row that Celtic have barely contributed to the Scottish coefficient. Like Rangers, they would be big point earners for Scotland in the Europa League which better matches their budget and ability.

[Broxburn Greens]

Czechia should overtake us, but its extremely unlikely that two out of Switzerland, Austria, Denmark Norway also do. So by the end of the season we'll probably still be 11th which is enough for whoever comes 3rd in 24/25 to have guaranteed group stage places again for the following season.

Isn’t it the Scottish Cup winners that get that place? Admittedly the winners may well be either of the OF or the team who finishes 3rd anyway but don’t think 3rd automatically guarantees group stages.


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