Split decision

[tonyrougier123]

so I’m starting this thread based on what I’m sensing from the support,we seem to agree that someone should be giving time.

We were fairly split on Jack Ross during his tenure,I liked Jack but seen frailties,enough to make me stay silent during the loud noises from some for him to go.

So we made or sneaked into top 6 end of last season under Lee. Got Europe based on results going in our favour.I think most would agree a decent hibs side would’ve toppled hearts and dons to fourth and even 3rd last season.

Although Johnson accomplished top half and got Europe,I’d really like to hear from anyone in our support pointing out the positives of Lee Johnson’s reign,so that we don’t have a lot of people feeling as though they should’ve spoke up in his defence during this time of what feels like universal criticism.

Please set your argument for the guy here with no judgement from myself just curiosity.

[BoomtownHibees]

Does it need yet another thread?

[JohnM1875]

Does it need yet another thread?

Nope

[tonyrougier123]

Does it need yet another thread?

I’m trying to muster up pro Johnson opinion to see what his backers think,instead of wading through needless comments of folk trying to be wide,bit like the first two comments on this one yourself and the amazingly funny “nope” response. I’ll try and run it by you next time I start a thread though,just to make you feel better.

[JohnM1875]

I’m trying to muster up pro Johnson opinion to see what his backers think,instead of wading through needless comments of folk trying to be wide,bit like the first two comments on this one yourself and the amazingly funny “nope” response. I’ll try and run it by you next time I start a thread though,just to make you feel better.

Probably best, cheers 👍🏻

[BoomtownHibees]

I’m trying to muster up pro Johnson opinion to see what his backers think,instead of wading through needless comments of folk trying to be wide,bit like the first two comments on this one yourself and the amazingly funny “nope” response. I’ll try and run it by you next time I start a thread though,just to make you feel better.

Appreciated

[Smartie]

so I’m starting this thread based on what I’m sensing from the support,we seem to agree that someone should be giving time.

We were fairly split on Jack Ross during his tenure,I liked Jack but seen frailties,enough to make me stay silent during the loud noises from some for him to go.

So we made or sneaked into top 6 end of last season under Lee. Got Europe based on results going in our favour.I think most would agree a decent hibs side would’ve toppled hearts and dons to fourth and even 3rd last season.

Although Johnson accomplished top half and got Europe,I’d really like to hear from anyone in our support pointing out the positives of Lee Johnson’s reign,so that we don’t have a lot of people feeling as though they should’ve spoke up in his defence during this time of what feels like universal criticism.

Please set your argument for the guy here with no judgement from myself just curiosity.

I’ll try…

5th is arguably level par for Hibs and we achieved that whilst there were mitigating circumstances.

Hard as it is to remember after days like today, when we’re good, we’re good. The football is often entertaining. Some might argue that it’s better for it to be up and down rather than constantly “meh”. And as poor as we were today, we hauled ourselves back into it, it looked like we were the only team going to win it from there before being sucker punched.

The players look like they’re playing for him, players like Youan and Fish have returned to play for him.

Window’s got a few weeks to go - new RB, an addition to midfield, Levitt gets fit and settles, Vente ends up being good and Wollacott is an upgrade on Marshall - do we not then look quite good?

He’s got a couple of opportunities over the next couple of Thursdays to improve his admittedly poor cup record. A Euro win against a decent team in a winnable tie would be a feather in his cap. These games also give him a couple more opportunities to get his 1st pick team right.

[JohnM1875]

I’ll try…

5th is arguably level par for Hibs and we achieved that whilst there were mitigating circumstances.

Hard as it is to remember after days like today, when we’re good, we’re good. The football is often entertaining. Some might argue that it’s better for it to be up and down rather than constantly “meh”. And as poor as we were today, we hauled ourselves back into it, it looked like we were the only team going to win it from there before being sucker punched.

The players look like they’re playing for him, players like Youan and Fish have returned to play for him.

Window’s got a few weeks to go - new RB, an addition to midfield, Levitt gets fit and settles, Vente ends up being good and Wollacott is an upgrade on Marshall - do we not then look quite good?

He’s got a couple of opportunities over the next couple of Thursdays to improve his admittedly poor cup record. A Euro win against a decent team in a winnable tie would be a feather in his cap. These games also give him a couple more opportunities to get his 1st pick team right.

My best mate said earlier he feels sorry for LJ (He's an LJ fan, obviously) and like I said what have you got to feel sorry for? He's very well paid for performing the bare minimum while taking zero responsibility. Chancer

[tonyrougier123]

Appreciated

Wide-o 😝

[Musselbound]

There is surely no consensus that the manager should be given more time? All I see are loads of threads of one form or another demanding that the manager goes after one league game and three competitive games of the season. I get that not everyone is so vocal and may have a different view but there is hardly agreement on giving him more time!

[Waxy]

We were hardly going to go through the season unbeaten.
Rangers have lost already.
It’s where the club is at the moment and we cant keep sacking manager after manager.
It seems every result brings extreme opinions every time.

[Carheenlea]

We’ve got to a situation where every single defeat is followed by demands to change the manager. Two seasons is the sort of average for managers - under those working conditions you wonder why anyone gets involved in football management. I guess once you’re on the roundabout you’ll always get work and the bonus of a compensation package every couple of years or so.

He’ll be here for season then gone if we don’t finish 3rd or 4th. I sense 5th won’t be enough to satisfy demands from the support and we move onto the next one.

Managers are put under more scrutiny than the players themselves. The team was garbage yesterday. A couple of decent performers but in the main falling way below the standards they have shown they are capable of.

[Nicho87]

If we have a disaster on Thursday followed by a motherwell away loss next Sunday.

A victory against rovers won’t put much credit back in the bank for him.

[DH1875]

We were hardly going to go through the season unbeaten.
Rangers have lost already.
It’s where the club is at the moment and we cant keep sacking manager after manager.
It seems every result brings extreme opinions every time.

I really don't get the sacking previous managers argument. Just about every manager in football gets sacked. Its not as if he is just in the door and only been here a few months. In any other industry he would have been binned by now as he simply is not good enough.

[pacoluna]

Our top 6 run of performances and results last season was impressive which is not the usual.
When the pressure is on he happens to pull through it with a good result for example st mirren at home last season to seal top 6, the derby win at home, inter second leg.
We were on a good run of form before we got papped by Celtic early in the season.

[hibbydog]

Lee Johnson Positives

Johnson had the fifth biggest budget in the league last season and we finished fifth. We punched our weight in his first season. That suggests that once he learns about the league, club etc better, then he has potential to get us up the league a bit.

Reasons we should keep him

I've always wanted to give managers a decent shot at things (like 2-3 seasons) just to see if some stability and breaking the cycle of chopping and changing managers will improve us in the long term.

Reasons that he his a turnip

Loads. Too many to mention. And that undermines my point above about stability and whether he is the right man to give some proper time.

Conclusion

Och I dunno

[basehibby]

I like the brand of football he has us playing. When on song the team has regularly created 20 plus efforts on goal per match. Ross and Maloney were both heavily criticised for producing bland tippy tippy at the back football and it's therefore annoying that, now that has been addressed, certain goldfish brained posters are acting like nothing changed.
I also think LJ has performed well in transfer windows (excluding last summer when he was just in the door) - addressing problems in the side with appropriate signings.
I find LJ a personable enough bloke in front of the mic - I find his football-manager-speak quite amusing rather than being annoyed by it.
It also seems to me that LJ has instilled a good team spirit - this seems obvious from the body language of the players on the pitch as well as the fact that loan signings are repeatedly desperate to come back to ER - this indicates a happy camp at East Mains.
Ultimately LJ will stand or fall by the results his team produce on the pitch, but its not that hard to recognise the qualities he brings to the role.

[basehibby]

There is surely no consensus that the manager should be given more time? All I see are loads of threads of one form or another demanding that the manager goes after one league game and three competitive games of the season. I get that not everyone is so vocal and may have a different view but there is hardly agreement on giving him more time!

There was a recent survey on here - after the poor result in Andorra and before the home tie - and that indicated IIRC that less than one in three on here wanted LJ gone at that juncture.
As at the ground, it seems there is a loud and shouty minority that take a hyper-critical stance on just about anything and are determined to let the world know about it. The silent majority tend to take a more balanced view and, as of last week, they were happy to give LJ more time to prove himself and progress the team.

[Musselbound]

We’ve got to a situation where every single defeat is followed by demands to change the manager. Two seasons is the sort of average for managers - under those working conditions you wonder why anyone gets involved in football management. I guess once you’re on the roundabout you’ll always get work and the bonus of a compensation package every couple of years or so.

He’ll be here for season then gone if we don’t finish 3rd or 4th. I sense 5th won’t be enough to satisfy demands from the support and we move onto the next one.

Managers are put under more scrutiny than the players themselves. The team was garbage yesterday. A couple of decent performers but in the main falling way below the standards they have shown they are capable of.

I agree with almost everything you say here. The only points I'd dispute are I'm not convinced he will be here for the whole season given the expectations of the support and the reaction after every defeat.

Also, I don't think we were garbage yesterday... The first half perhaps but it was really disappointing to not take at least a point from the game, which would not have been a disastrous start.

[basehibby]

I agree with almost everything you say here. The only points I'd dispute are I'm not convinced he will be here for the whole season given the expectations of the support and the reaction after every defeat.

Also, I don't think we were garbage yesterday... The first half perhaps but it was really disappointing to not take at least a point from the game, which would not have been a disastrous start.

Got to point out that it's only a small section - a very opinionated, gobby and loud mouthed section - of the support that are showing this kneejerk tendency to demand the manager's head after any and every bad result.

As I posted above, a survey only last week indicated that only 11% actually wanted LJ gone, with the vast majority happy to give him a chance to prove himself properly. The result vs St Mirren was disappointing, but I'd be amazed if such a narrow defeat has been enough to turn that on it's head.

Reality is that the silent majority want to give the incumbent the chance to succeed so don't let the gobsheight minority on here and the likes of Farcebook and Twatter leave you with the wrong impression.

NB - heres a link to the survey mentioned above ....
https://www.hibs.net/poll.php?pollid=4151&do=showresults