Youan/Stevenson

[WestStandWillie]

Anyone else notice the lack of working together between these two last night?

Countless times throughout the match they were not on same page. Youan point blank refused to pass the ball to Stevenson whether it was on the overlap, squaring the ball in the box and even when he got in trouble by our corner flag. Instead of passing to Lewy who was in space and by far his best option, he ended up losing possession.

Lewy was doing his best to mirror that but in the times when he had no choice, he passed to Elie.

It was all very strange and a few folk around me were also picked up on it.

[Trinity Hibee]

Anyone else notice the lack of working together between these two last night?

Countless times throughout the match they were not on same page. Youan point blank refused to pass the ball to Stevenson whether it was on the overlap, squaring the ball in the box and even when he got in trouble by our corner flag. Instead of passing to Lewy who was in space and by far his best option, he ended up losing possession.

Lewy was doing his best to mirror that but in the times when he had no choice, he passed to Elie.

It was all very strange and a few folk around me were also picked up on it.

Youan doesn’t release the ball early enough to anyone. There was instance early in first half where he found space in the middle of the pitch and the through ball to Boyle was an obvious pass. Instead he held on to it and completely killed the attack. He did improve a bit in the second half.

Don’t want to be too harsh as he’s still learning and we all see he has a lot of potential but he needs to be coached well this year to improve his ‘pitch personality’ as his decision making at times can be brutal.

[J-C]

Youan can be a bit greedy and needs to see what's around and choose the best option, hopefully good coaching can sort that out.

[WeeRussell]

Youan can be a bit greedy and needs to see what's around and choose the best option, hopefully good coaching can sort that out.

I’m pretty certain this is all it is rather than some bizarre personal thing between him and Stevenson…

[Callum_62]

He did improve a bit in the second half.



Understatement of the day!

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[Hibrandenburg]

We are not party to what their brief was from the manager. Maybe they were simply following his instructions.

[Centre Hawf]

It's probably my only criticism of Elie is that he can maybe release the ball sooner when he first beats a man. Doesn't always need to go beat him again or another one. But he's also one of these players you pay your money to go see so I guess we can't have it all.

[Bushwoof]

It's certainly noticeable that he and Delf work very well together. Unfortunately they're likely to be on different sides of the pitch. Thought Youan had a very good 2nd half, maybe down to his partnership with Delf.

[Hibs3-2]

No wonder Youan didnt give the ball to stevenson. That first half in particular stevenson was like a rabbit in the headlights. Constantly giving the ball away, letting balls bounce. Generally another poor performance. Sooner Obita is up to speed, the better

[ElginHibbie]

I’m pretty certain this is all it is rather than some bizarre personal thing between him and Stevenson…

Lewis suddenly becoming a player constantly complaining and having a go at teams mates would be a fun turn for him at this stage though

There was one time in first half Youan should def cut it back to Lewis in box though, as others say he is guilty of trying to do too much at times and was better at that in second half but if he stopped it completely wouldn't get moment like his goal so just have to accept be frustrated with him at times

[LaMotta]

No wonder Youan didnt give the ball to stevenson. That first half in particular stevenson was like a rabbit in the headlights. Constantly giving the ball away, letting balls bounce. Generally another poor performance. Sooner Obita is up to speed, the better

First thing Obita did was rashly commit himself to a a challenge on the halfway line where he had no chance of getting the ball, allowing the Andorran player to skip past him. Hopefully thats not a sign of things to come.

As for Youan, his decision making is erratic. He will have games or periods in games where he looks like he doesn't know how to play football. But he will make up for it at other times with his pace and technique which will make him a stand out. We just have to let him have those bad moments as he can just pop up with something good at any moment.

I do think Youan is very much a confidence player - after he gets an assist or a goal, he springs into life and looks like a different beast.

[Trinity Hibee]

Lewis suddenly becoming a player constantly complaining and having a go at teams mates would be a fun turn for him at this stage though

There was one time in first half Youan should def cut it back to Lewis in box though, as others say he is guilty of trying to do too much at times and was better at that in second half but if he stopped it completely wouldn't get moment like his goal so just have to accept be frustrated with him at times

His goal is exactly what he should be doing. Running direct at defenders and not turning back to do it again. He has pace so is capable of running at people he just needs to understand when a team mate is in a better position he should use them.

[BoomtownHibees]

His goal is exactly what he should be doing. Running direct at defenders and not turning back to do it again. He has pace so is capable of running at people he just needs to understand when a team mate is in a better position he should use them.

I think him being on the right for a bit last night let’s him do that more than when he wants to cut in from the left

Him and Boyle interchanging during games could be really effective for us

[Bushwoof]

To be fair, he put a lot of good balls across the box last night.

[JimBHibees]

No wonder Youan didnt give the ball to stevenson. That first half in particular stevenson was like a rabbit in the headlights. Constantly giving the ball away, letting balls bounce. Generally another poor performance. Sooner Obita is up to speed, the better

Think I was watching a different Stevenson last night. He was absolutely fine.

[MrRobot]

Think I was watching a different Stevenson last night. He was absolutely fine.

Agree, he’s talking mince. Stevenson played absolutely fine last night.

[theonlywayisup]

No wonder Youan didnt give the ball to stevenson. That first half in particular stevenson was like a rabbit in the headlights. Constantly giving the ball away, letting balls bounce. Generally another poor performance. Sooner Obita is up to speed, the better


Think I was watching a different Stevenson last night. He was absolutely fine.


Agree, he’s talking mince. Stevenson played absolutely fine last night.

Yes, nothing wrong with Stevenson last night. We obviously need to plan for Stevenson's replacement in the team, but he's still a good footballer.

[Allant1981]

Yes, nothing wrong with Stevenson last night. We obviously need to plan for Stevenson's replacement in the team, but he's still a good footballer.

We have his replacement in obita surely

[NAE NOOKIE]

I highly doubt it was anything personal. Elie doesn't like to pass to anybody :greengrin

Interestingly, once he was switched to the right wing he was far more effective and it was the same against Groningen, which is a bit of a shame because there's no way he's going to take that spot from a fully fit Martin Boyle, especially on the evidence of Boyle's performance last night.

I can't help thinking Youan is always going to be one of these players who has you tearing your hair out one minute and out of your seat the next. He clearly has a wee bit of devilment in him as well if his 'interaction' with their left back last night was anything to go by.

Somebody on another thread rightly pointed out that when Martin Boyle came to the club his decision making left a lot to be desired as well. It improved so much he became a million quid player and but for injury would have played at a world cup. If Hibs can at least improve Youan's decision making by about 50% this guy is going to be a 5 million quid player, never mind a million.

[Hibbyradge]

I highly doubt it was anything personal. Elie doesn't like to pass to anybody :greengrin

Interestingly, once he was switched to the right wing he was far more effective and it was the same against Groningen, which is a bit of a shame because there's no way he's going to take that spot from a fully fit Martin Boyle, especially on the evidence of Boyle's performance last night.

I can't help thinking Youan is always going to be one of these players who has you tearing your hair out one minute and out of your seat the next. He clearly has a wee bit of devilment in him as well if his 'interaction' with their left back last night was anything to go by.

Somebody on another thread rightly pointed out that when Martin Boyle came to the club his decision making left a lot to be desired as well. It improved so much he became a million quid player and but for injury would have played at a world cup. If Hibs can at least improve Youan's decision making by about 50% this guy is going to be a 5 million quid player, never mind a million.

We sold Boyle for £3m.

[Rumble de Thump]

I think defensive midfielder might be the best position for Lewis these days.

[AlbertK86]

It's certainly noticeable that he and Delf work very well together. Unfortunately they're likely to be on different sides of the pitch. Thought Youan had a very good 2nd half, maybe down to his partnership with Delf.

Agree … looked to have a good rapport and understanding


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[NAE NOOKIE]

We sold Boyle for £3m.

I stand corrected, so we did. But it kind of reinforces what I'm saying about Youan, get his decision making improved and there's no reason he couldn;t go for a good bit more than that.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Its marvellous to have a team that play with wingers,who not only have pace but can dribble,get to the byline and chip in with goals:greengrin
They dont come around often. But we got two now.
Ala Duncan and Edwards
Who was our last speed merchant?
The bold Ivan ? He got bums off seats and could hit the net !
I predict a very good season with some great entertainment ,flair and panache :greengrin
This to me, like the TTs song say, is the essence of our club and how we ought to play.

We're all for each other
Each man plays for all
We give our best football
To answer the call
While we entertain you
To win is our aim

We all have our favourite players past and present
3 of my favourite dribblers/wingers didnt play for Hibs
Well one did ,,,,briefly !

1/ The great Brazilian,Garrincha. Some argue better than Pele
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPiTbopt7MU

2/ Scotland's own Jimmy Johnstone, wee Jinky,a true World Class footballer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xheYfAYyRI8

And of course, the former Hibernian Legend !!! George Best :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJWWA-h_-5g

Any more favourite dribblers who did not play for us ?

[Tyler Durden]

Lewis was really poor again IMO last night. Hopefully Obita is ready for Sunday.

[Centre Hawf]

Not to turn this into a Lewis Stevenson debate thread because I know those who critique him must get sick of it going that way whenever someone criticises him but I'm quite surprised anyone thought he was poor last night. Thought he was perfectly fine and didn't come away thinking he was anything terrible or exceptional.

[Hibees1973]

Youan is going to take a bit of coaching for him to improve and able to choose the correct option. Hope our coaches are up to it.

I don't doubt in any way he has ability.

He is still raw. In games where we are struggling he will be really frustrating to watch.

[BoomtownHibees]

Not sure what those who think Lewis was really poor are expecting. Didn’t think at any point in the game that he was poor

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Not sure what those who think Lewis was really poor are expecting. Didn’t think at any point in the game that he was poor

Nah me neither, didn’t work well with Youan last night for whatever reason but as an individual performance he was fine


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[Torto7]

No wonder Youan didnt give the ball to stevenson. That first half in particular stevenson was like a rabbit in the headlights. Constantly giving the ball away, letting balls bounce. Generally another poor performance. Sooner Obita is up to speed, the better

Careful you aren't allowed to criticise him. He's woeful going forward and his passing seems to consist of hammering it into players knees. He's also a liability defending the back post. He's fine as a SPL backup not a starter for a top six side. Youan is clearly better on the right or through the middle imo.

[JimBHibees]

Lewis was really poor again IMO last night. Hopefully Obita is ready for Sunday.

Genuinely didn't see that. He was fine.

[Allant1981]

Careful you aren't allowed to criticise him. He's woeful going forward and his passing seems to consist of hammering it into players knees. He's also a liability defending the back post. He's fine as a SPL backup not a starter for a top six side. Youan is clearly better on the right or through the middle imo.

What did Stevenson do wrong last night?

[Northernhibee]

Careful you aren't allowed to criticise him. He's woeful going forward and his passing seems to consist of hammering it into players knees. He's also a liability defending the back post. He's fine as a SPL backup not a starter for a top six side. Youan is clearly better on the right or through the middle imo.

You are allowed to criticise him. Just as others are allowed to tell you that you’re wrong.

[Bridge hibs]

Youan is going to take a bit of coaching for him to improve and able to choose the correct option. Hope our coaches are up to it.

I don't doubt in any way he has ability.

He is still raw. In games where we are struggling he will be really frustrating to watch.His skill and finishing is unbelievable, but he is frustrating at the same time, he may just be that brilliant but very frustrating player that will have us jumping for joy and pulling our hair out in equal measures

[Borderhibbie76]

Think I was watching a different Stevenson last night. He was absolutely fine.

He was absolutely fine mate

[scm70nyd1973]

First thing Obita did was rashly commit himself to a a challenge on the halfway line where he had no chance of getting the ball, allowing the Andorran player to skip past him. Hopefully thats not a sign of things to come.

As for Youan, his decision making is erratic. He will have games or periods in games where he looks like he doesn't know how to play football. But he will make up for it at other times with his pace and technique which will make him a stand out. We just have to let him have those bad moments as he can just pop up with something good at any moment.

I do think Youan is very much a confidence player - after he gets an assist or a goal, he springs into life and looks like a different beast.

On the downside his teammates probs don’t know what he’s gonna do next but the upside is that the opposition- when he’s running at them - must be scared poo-less 😂

[Smartie]

Careful you aren't allowed to criticise him. He's woeful going forward and his passing seems to consist of hammering it into players knees. He's also a liability defending the back post. He's fine as a SPL backup not a starter for a top six side. Youan is clearly better on the right or through the middle imo.

Stevenson was a regular for a side who were comfortably top 6 as recently as last season in a defence that looked much more solid when he was reinstated back into it to play regularly.

He was fine last night.

The player who takes over from him will need to be a good one to oust him.

[Green Reaper]

On the downside his teammates probs don’t know what he’s gonna do next but the upside is that the opposition- when he’s running at them - must be scared poo-less 😂

The Inter players showed what they thought of Youan at the end getting photos with him

[Stantons Angel]

We have his replacement in obita surely


We have already had at least 5 "replacements" for him and hes seen them all off.

Let him get on with the job, the season has not started yet!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Careful you aren't allowed to criticise him. He's woeful going forward and his passing seems to consist of hammering it into players knees. He's also a liability defending the back post. He's fine as a SPL backup not a starter for a top six side. Youan is clearly better on the right or through the middle imo.

Stevenson's time as a first team regular is coming to an end, if Obita can show he is a competent defender his ability going forward, which was what fans of his last club liked about him, will see him make LB his own. However, whether he can defend to the required standard has yet to be established.

Your assessment of Stevenson I presume refers to his last two competitive games and not his Hibs career, like everybody else he was woeful in Andorra, last night he was just run of the mill, not brilliant, not terrible. But in his time at the club Lewis Stevenson has probably given the ball away, or caused it to be given away with a bad pass, less than any player in any of the Hibs teams he has played in.
I acknowledge that that is probably because he rarely makes risky passes, he keeps it simple and tries to give the ball to players who 'on paper at least' have more ability than him, but the picture you paint of his lack of passing ability certainly does not stack up against what I have watched in the last 17 years and I've seen practically every first team game Lewis has ever played at Easter Road.

For a guy who is a liability defending the back post and can't pass a ball his 17 year senior career, a decent chunk of it as an automatic first choice at arguably the 4th biggest club in the country can only be marvelled at, I wonder how he did it.

[hibee-boys]

The Inter players showed what they thought of Youan at the end getting photos with him

Is that right, never seen that. I take it that didn’t include the player he had wound up in the second half😂

[Allant1981]

We have already had at least 5 "replacements" for him and hes seen them all off.

Let him get on with the job, the season has not started yet!

The season has started