The LJ poll

[JeMeSouviens]

Where are you currently with our manager?

[Bostonhibby]

Giving him the benefit of getting an improved performance out of what is presumably seen as an improved squad. 1st 3 league results will tell us a lot

I've moved from 3/10 to 5/10.

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[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Loss on Thursday = the sack

Otherwise see where we're at after first round of fixtures. To be reviewed if league results are poor and we exit the LC to RR

[basehibby]

Can't seem to vote off my phone here. I would add my voice to those that are happy to see him given a good run at the job to see where it takes us.

[Carheenlea]

Happy to let him grow the squad & team with the backing we’ve seen so far from boardroom.

And that’s regardless of Thursday’s result. A sacking would really just be a punishment for a bad result (and a very expensive one at that) rather than looking at the bigger picture of the season as a whole.

[Hibernian Verse]

Is there a sweepstake for guessing which posters voted "He's rubbish, bin him."?

[Brightside]

Is there a sweepstake for guessing which posters voted "He's rubbish, bin him."?

Not me. :greengrin

[nonshinyfinish]

Is there a sweepstake for guessing which posters voted "He's rubbish, bin him."?

I used all my accounts and voted once for each option to keep things fair.

[Frazerbob]

Happy to let him grow the squad & team with the backing we’ve seen so far from boardroom.

And that’s regardless of Thursday’s result. A sacking would really just be a punishment for a bad result (and a very expensive one at that) rather than looking at the bigger picture of the season as a whole.

I quite like LJ and I'm looking forward to the season. However, if we get knocked out tomorrow, he has to go. We spent the entire season trying to qualify for Europe. If all that hard work gets undone by the Andorran minnows.............

[007]

Can't seem to vote off my phone here. I would add my voice to those that are happy to see him given a good run at the job to see where it takes us.

Try clicking "default style" at the very bottom on the right.

[Keith_M]

Maybe too early to decide one way or the other.

I posted to give him the heave last week, but that was possibly an over-reaction to an unacceptable (and frankly embarrassing) defeat.

[Greenbeard]

Ffs

[Pretty Boy]

Not actively calling for or hoping for him to go. Would shrug and move on if he did. He's not doing such a great job that I feel he would be an irreplaceable loss and he's not so bad that, as was the case with Maloney or Calderwood, that I feel like literally anyone could be better.

He needs a good start to the season and that starts with averting a potential disaster tomorrow.

[Since452]

I like him and want him to build something here. I do think he's under more pressure than any Hibs manager i can remember due to the money we're spending on players. We're geared up for a real push for 3rd and falling short might see him struggle to remain in his post.

[the_ginger_hibee]

If we go out tomorrow, he should go. I don't think the board will though.

[Dmas]

Do we all realise what an absolute **** show LJ inherited? I understand summer signings where rubbish the season was up and down but there must have been a degree of panic when he first arrived the squad was hopeless after that maloney window.

I just don’t know what people are expecting from him I think with a decent amount of backing which he is undoubtedly getting and the time to get rid of players not up to scratch as he has done last 2 windows we’ll get improvement he kept is in touch for 3rd with a pretty poor squad truth be told and a load of injuries.

I’m not saying he’s pep but he’s not the huddy he’s being painted as either

[lyonhibs]

Fail to progress tomorrow, he's got to go.

Otherwise, this is his squad now, he's been properly backed. Pressure is on to deliver.

[One Day]

He will be given time, He's been backed by the board and given money.

[Tricla]

Do we all realise what an absolute **** show LJ inherited? I understand summer signings where rubbish the season was up and down but there must have been a degree of panic when he first arrived the squad was hopeless after that maloney window.

I just don’t know what people are expecting from him I think with a decent amount of backing which he is undoubtedly getting and the time to get rid of players not up to scratch as he has done last 2 windows we’ll get improvement he kept is in touch for 3rd with a pretty poor squad truth be told and a load of injuries.

I’m not saying he’s pep but he’s not the huddy he’s being painted as either

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[WhileTheChief..]

Decent options in the poll - I went with not fussed.

Fresh start and all that, so I'm happy to give him a break. Hoping for much, much better than last season though.

[Hibbyradge]

I used all my accounts and voted once for each option to keep things fair.

:tee hee:

[Lago]

There's already a Johnston out thread on the go and now this is started, some folk need to get another hobby.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Do we all realise what an absolute **** show LJ inherited? I understand summer signings where rubbish the season was up and down but there must have been a degree of panic when he first arrived the squad was hopeless after that maloney window.

I just don’t know what people are expecting from him I think with a decent amount of backing which he is undoubtedly getting and the time to get rid of players not up to scratch as he has done last 2 windows we’ll get improvement he kept is in touch for 3rd with a pretty poor squad truth be told and a load of injuries.

I’m not saying he’s pep but he’s not the huddy he’s being painted as either

From the Maloney window he was left with Melkersen, Henderson and Mitchell. The Maloney window caused relatively little harm compared to most other windows recently.

[The Modfather]

Another Jack Ross poll!…

[Basildon Hibs]

He's a clueless, slavering clown. I never wanted him at the club in the first place.
I still don't.

🤨

[nonshinyfinish]

There's already a Johnston out thread on the go and now this is started, some folk need to get another hobby.I don't think starting a poll is inherently for or against the manager. If anything, as it stands it's showing more support for Johnson than you might guess just from reading the board (although most of that support is qualified, rightly IMO).

[Trinity Hibee]

Try clicking "default style" at the very bottom on the right.

👍🏼 always wondered why voting buttons never worked on the phone

[Dmas]

From the Maloney window he was left with Melkersen, Henderson and Mitchell. The Maloney window caused relatively little harm compared to most other windows recently.

Squad was bloated further with players not required for first team or not good enough melkerson hauge Mitchell delferriere Henderson and then we had Rocky who’s confidence was in the mud pretty much all of them under contract and needing shifted, add that to tait and McKay from the previous bloke, Boyle injured Nisbet injured and obviously the consistently injured magennis it’s a mess like

As I say I think some results in isolation should have been better no arguing that but overall and taking into account the mess he came into he hasn’t done as terribly as people would have you believe

[1875M]

A bit meh about him. Like any hibs manager, I want him to do well. Nowhere near the best Hibs team I’ve ever seen but he’s not doing that bad a job I’m calling for him to be replaced. I do tend to agree he inherited a shambles but he has been backed with a lot of money and needs to produce this season. To me, if he got top 4 and a good cup run (semi finals), it would be a fairly successful season. Will be last that long? Who knows. What I do know is that we must win on Thursday and get at least 7 points from the first 3 games and it’ll be a good start.

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't think starting a poll is inherently for or against the manager. If anything, as it stands it's showing more support for Johnson than you might guess just from reading the board (although most of that support is qualified, rightly IMO).

No, it's not meant to be. I tried to keep the options as neutral as I could.

[Northernhibee]

Not for me. I’m pleased that this is a two leg tie, as his record in cup competitions is appalling and it appears he’s not learned anything. Here’s hoping he has in the last six days.

League form is frustrating - had a couple of really good runs of form where we played some nice football and got some great results, but on the flip side he had a run that if it hadn’t been for sacking Ross and Maloney in quick succession I think may have cost him his job in normal circumstance.

When it comes to “crunch” games - E.g. last game of the season against Hearts, final game pre split where a win would have guaranteed top six - his record is again poor. We’re inconsistent from half to half of football, let alone game to game.

If he’s to continue at the club, he has to tick all of the following:

Comfortably win tomorrow night
Consistently top five in the league
No extended runs of bad form
At least one good cup run (barring drawing Celtic or Sevco).

It’s his team, he now has to show he knows what he’s doing with it.

[Smartie]

I'm somewhere between the top 2.

If we don't get the result on Thursday it will be more down to him having to get a result with players he's made abundantly clear he doesn't rate rather than any tactical catastrophe on his own part.

He does have a weird habit of polarising opinion though and I do sway back and forth on him myself. If he gets our first XI out on the pitch often and doesn't get results, he should be toast. I reckon he'd do very nicely indeed if he was so fortunate though...

[the_ginger_hibee]

Do we all realise what an absolute **** show LJ inherited? I understand summer signings where rubbish the season was up and down but there must have been a degree of panic when he first arrived the squad was hopeless after that maloney window.

I just don’t know what people are expecting from him I think with a decent amount of backing which he is undoubtedly getting and the time to get rid of players not up to scratch as he has done last 2 windows we’ll get improvement he kept is in touch for 3rd with a pretty poor squad truth be told and a load of injuries.

I’m not saying he’s pep but he’s not the huddy he’s being painted as either

He's a draw away from exiting all cups at the first stage. For us, and what is in breach of one of our club KPIs, that is nowhere near good enough. He's also been backed more than any other manager. This is also transfer window number 3 for him and I feel there is still an imbalance/lack of work to midfield, lack of depth & over reliance on older players that now look past it. Not to mention duds we can't shift, most of whom he signed & was taking the praise for last summer.

I understand people not wanting him sacked, but can't understand people thinking he's done anywhere near an acceptance job so far. Thursday is huge for LJ.

[H18 SFR]

Exactly what I thought the numbers would be in so much as less than 15% wanting the manager sacked.

Big season coming up, clear marker re Vente signing in terms of the board backing LJ - time for the fans to do their bit and get right behind him and the team.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I have little opinion when it comes to his personality .... he could be as miserable as Jack Ross or as cheery as Yogi ... hell. he can turn up to training in drag for all I care. This is all about results and performances.

I've went for option 2 in the poll. He's not had a calamity as yet, though not making it out of our LC group last season was close to it. Yes he lost in the cup to Hearts, but better managers than him have done that and the 0 - 3 scoreline that day was nothing like a reflection of a game in which Hibs played far better than it suggests.

But he's now at the stage where he has been backed massively by the board. Make no mistake, if we go out on Thursday it will be a calamity, because this is a tie we should be winning comfortably even if we hadn't made a single signing this summer. If that were to happen then IMO he is, and bloody well should be, one bad run of games away from the tin tack, short of being sacked straight after it, which believe me on the night will be the opinion of 90% of the fans in the stadium.

As it is I think we will do it on Thursday, because not to is simply unthinkable, and he will get a reprieve ... but he simply can't afford to put himself or the club in this kind of position too often or he will be gone.

[Hibees1973]

He's a clueless, slavering clown. I never wanted him at the club in the first place.
I still don't.

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There are just too many like you who sit on the fence.

[Tambo]

He's doing ok, I'm happy to keep him, for now at least.

[Ronniekirk]

Stick for just now But given the backing this window which I assume will invoke a few more outs snd inns , he has to show fairly quickly he can give us the team he promised when he came in
Going out of Europe at first hurdle and average start in league would put him under immense pressure given the fixture list
Needs to do better in both cups as well and get to at least one Semi Final No Hampden trios are not acceptable given how frequently we were getting there before

[J-C]

Not a big fan but I'm willing to give him a wee bit more time as we have a better squad than last season, if he still can't get a song out of these players and we're still inconsistent p1sh, then time for someone new.

[JimBHibees]

Happy to let him grow the squad & team with the backing we’ve seen so far from boardroom.

And that’s regardless of Thursday’s result. A sacking would really just be a punishment for a bad result (and a very expensive one at that) rather than looking at the bigger picture of the season as a whole.

Agree

[steve75]

I just don't trust him.

Campbell at RB
Fish at RB
Having players on the bench every week without giving a sniff then starting them before dropping out the squad all together
Staring/playing Jair early in the season (surely he could see he wasn't up to it)
Playing CJ everywhere he possibly could and not letting him settle
General approach to some games (cup/celtic)

He also seemed to take credit recently for easing Fish in to Scottish football. Maybe he did, but it looked like to me that he chucked him in when he had to, it just happened to work out at CB. I don't think he ever selected him in front of anyone?


I enjoyed the end of the season, and I'm aware of how infrequently we quality for Europe, so he deserves some credit. But like I said, I just don't trust him to be consistent and sensible. Which, in my opinion, gets you very far in Scottish football.

[jeffers]

Do we all realise what an absolute **** show LJ inherited? I understand summer signings where rubbish the season was up and down but there must have been a degree of panic when he first arrived the squad was hopeless after that maloney window.

I just don’t know what people are expecting from him I think with a decent amount of backing which he is undoubtedly getting and the time to get rid of players not up to scratch as he has done last 2 windows we’ll get improvement he kept is in touch for 3rd with a pretty poor squad truth be told and a load of injuries.

I’m not saying he’s pep but he’s not the huddy he’s being painted as either

How was it a sh*tshow ? I think there were 3 players that came in under Maloney that were still at the club when Johnson arrived. By all means criticise Maloney for the performances on the park but to suggest he left a total mess for Johnson is totally unfair. A good number of the squad he inherited had finished 3rd only a few seasons before. There is a bit of double standards with regarding recruitment, it was Maloney’s fault for the crap we signed when he was the manager yet the ones who came in under Johnson weren’t his signings if I believe what I read on here.

Oh and in case anyone was wondering I voted bin him.:greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

How was it a sh*tshow ? I think there were 3 players that came in under Maloney that were still at the club when Johnson arrived. By all means criticise Maloney for the performances on the park but to suggest he left a total mess for Johnson is totally unfair. A good number of the squad he inherited had finished 3rd only a few seasons before. There is a bit of double standards with regarding recruitment, it was Maloney’s fault for the crap we signed, yet the ones who came in under Johnson weren’t his signings if I believe what I read on here.

Oh and in case anyone was wondering I voted bin him.:greengrin

:agree:

We were crap for less than 4 months under Maloney. I’d be surprised if any manager in our history has left as little a legacy as he did yet we have people claiming it set us back years etc.

With what little Maloney left behind you’d be forgiven for forgetting he’d been here within a few weeks of him being sacked.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Having heard Brian speak he’s got enough about him to make the tough calls.

Not all of which supporters may agree with.

He knows players and managers been there done that - no guarantees of success but mibby better odds.

[ancient hibee]

I have little opinion when it comes to his personality .... he could be as miserable as Jack Ross or as cheery as Yogi ... hell. he can turn up to training in drag for all I care. This is all about results and performances.

I've went for option 2 in the poll. He's not had a calamity as yet, though not making it out of our LC group last season was close to it. Yes he lost in the cup to Hearts, but better managers than him have done that and the 0 - 3 scoreline that day was nothing like a reflection of a game in which Hibs played far better than it suggests.

But he's now at the stage where he has been backed massively by the board. Make no mistake, if we go out on Thursday it will be a calamity, because this is a tie we should be winning comfortably even if we hadn't made a single signing this summer. If that were to happen then IMO he is, and bloody well should be, one bad run of games away from the tin tack, short of being sacked straight after it, which believe me on the night will be the opinion of 90% of the fans in the stadium.

As it is I think we will do it on Thursday, because not to is simply unthinkable, and he will get a reprieve ... but he simply can't afford to put himself or the club in this kind of position too often or he will be gone.

In a couple of weeks posters will be claiming he's lost the dressing room because he wears an unfashionable dress.

[jeffers]

In a couple of weeks posters will be claiming he's lost the dressing room because he wears an unfashionable dress.

What ? Teeth whitening and he’s a transvestite too ?

[where'stheslope]

Option 2 for me, he's doing ok, but improvement has to go upwards.
Once all injuries are cleared and the players back, that will be when he should be judged.

[Alan62]

There isn't really an option that fits with my view: He hasn't set the heather on fire, I'm struggling to warm to him but I'm fed up with the constant short-termism so I'm willing to give him a little more time.

But, yes, that. I'm not overly enamoured but I'd give him a bit more time.

[Donegal Hibby]

Team improved last year from the following year and qualified for Europe . Playing attacking football and at times is very good to watch . Lee Johnson is a decent manager with plenty of experience who speaks well . Voted he's doing well and I'm very happy :greengrin

[The_Exile]

I think I'll save my vote until the morn's night aboot half 10.

[WhileTheChief..]

Option 2 for me, he's doing ok, but improvement has to go upwards.
Once all injuries are cleared and the players back, that will be when he should be judged.

Pretty rare for any club's squad to be free from injuries though no?

How often do we ever see our 'strongest 11' on the pitch? Same for most clubs.

Managers have to be able adapt and use the players available to them. He said he wanted 3 or 4 windows to get it right. That's where we're at now so it seems fair to judge him from the start of this season.

Thursday's result won't make any difference to whether he stays or goes though. My gut feeling is that he's under no pressure from within the club at all. There won't be anyone thinking about making a change other than some fans.

[DH1875]

I think I'll save my vote until the morn's night aboot half 10.

This. Timing of the poll is all wrong for me.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Surprised that the option with least votes is the very happy one. I get the top 3 are all accepting of him staying but I thought more people would have been happier. There certainly seems to feel like there’s more people posting who would fall into that category.

I voted option 3. Don’t think he’s done a great job, wouldn’t bat an eye lid if he left, not desperate to get him out the door either though.

[WeeRussell]

Surprised that the option with least votes is the very happy one. I get the top 3 are all accepting of him staying but I thought more people would have been happier. There certainly seems to feel like there’s more people posting who would fall into that category.

I voted option 3. Don’t think he’s done a great job, wouldn’t bat an eye lid if he left, not desperate to get him out the door either though.

I can’t recall anyone on here being particularly overjoyed with him. More people calling for calm and realism.

Personally, like yourself, I’m yet to be totally convinced, but open to being so. He’s been far from a disaster (you’d think we had failed to get top 6 the way some go on) albeit failing to progress tomorrow would push things a lot closer to that category!

[JammyDoidger]

I personally just can't take to him atall. Comes across naive, gives the journos what they want every single time with the nonsense he spouts, I prefer an old school manager, someone you know is the boss. Can't see the players running through brick walls for Johnson.

[Hibs90]

59% of the votes think he's doing ok despite getting beat by an Andorran pub team, early league cup exit, the two hearts games and finishing 5th.

That's accepting mediocrity.

[Crunchie]

Is there a sweepstake for guessing which posters voted "He's rubbish, bin him."?
An embarrassing option in another embarrassing thread regarding our manager, we're 1 game into the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

An embarrassing option in another embarrassing thread regarding our manager, we're 1 game into the season.

But not 1 game into his tenure. The slate shouldn’t just get wiped clean at the start of each season, so if people were already negative about him at the end of last season then it stands to reason they’ll still be negative (probably even more so) now.

As for it being an embarrassing option, it’s had a much higher uptake than ‘he’s doing well’ so I’d suggest it’s perfectly justified being there.

[Wilson]

59% of the votes think he's doing ok despite getting beat by an Andorran pub team, early league cup exit, the two hearts games and finishing 5th.

That's accepting mediocrity.

Finishing 5th and qualifying for Europe is 'okay' for hibs. We don't finish top six and get European games often enough.

Mediocrity looks like bottom six for a hibs team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Finishing 5th and qualifying for Europe is 'okay' for hibs. We don't finish top six and get European games often enough.

Mediocrity looks like bottom six for a hibs team.

I do think your last sentence will be different going forward. We’re now shopping in a different market to the other 7 teams below us in the league, so I’d think anything below 5th will be deemed a total failure going forward.

[Brightside]

Finishing 5th and qualifying for Europe is 'okay' for hibs. We don't finish top six and get European games often enough.

Mediocrity looks like bottom six for a hibs team.

Certainly won't be ok this season. :agree:

[The Captain....]

Never taken to him tbh and wouldn't be bothered if he left. Unless he loses tomorrow its highly unlikely tho so he'll get a chance to show what he can do. There's zero excuses...he's been very well backed.

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[MartinDonegan]

What is clear from the stats so far is that 13.07% of voters make up several times that percentage in posters!

[007]

59% of the votes think he's doing ok despite getting beat by an Andorran pub team, early league cup exit, the two hearts games and finishing 5th.

That's accepting mediocrity.

It isn't.

However, I will play along.

Aside from voting on the poll, what exactly have you done about sorting the "mediocrity"? Complain online, boo at matches, shout obscenities at the team and coaches through a fence?

[Wilson]

I do think your last sentence will be different going forward. We’re now shopping in a different market to the other 7 teams below us in the league, so I’d think anything below 5th will be deemed a total failure going forward.

Agreed. That's where we need to be as a club. It ought to become unthinkable that we'd not make top five at the very least. We've not done it consistently so hopefully consistency starts this season!

[Hibs90]

It isn't.

However, I will play along.

Aside from voting on the poll, what exactly have you done about sorting the "mediocrity"? Complain online, boo at matches, shout obscenities at the team and coaches through a fence?

It's not my job to sort the mediocrity. I don't work for Hibs or have any influence on who Hibs hire in the playing or coaching staff. This is the same cop out question when someone says a manager needs to go and then someone asks 'who should replace him'. It's not our job.

It's our job to support the team, which we all do in our own ways.

[Hibbyradge]

It's not my job to sort the mediocrity. I don't work for Hibs or have any influence on who Hibs hire in the playing or coaching staff. This is the same cop out question when someone says a manager needs to go and then someone asks 'who should replace him'. It's not our job.

It's our job to support the team, which we all do in our own ways.

But we mustn't accept mediocrity even though no-one knows what that entails.

[007]

It's not my job to sort the mediocrity. I don't work for Hibs or have any influence on who Hibs hire in the playing or coaching staff. This is the same cop out question when someone says a manager needs to go and then someone asks 'who should replace him'. It's not our job.

It's our job to support the team, which we all do in our own ways.

You complain online and that's all. Sounds like the very definition of someone who is "accepting mediocrity". You're the one that's copping out.

[H18 SFR]

There will always be a small minority, currently 12.5% who want the manager sacked and are absolutely raging about anything and anything.

The big story here is that the manager had huge backing from the board and huge backing from the fans. Delighted to be ready to support the team this year with fellow supporters.

[Hibbyradge]

There will always be a small minority, currently 12.5% who want the manager sacked and are absolutely raging about anything and anything.

The big story here is that the manager had huge backing from the board and huge backing from the fans. Delighted to be ready to support the team this year with fellow supporters.

You're right, but if the press pick up on it the story will be that only 8% of Hibs fans think he's doing a great job.

[WhileTheChief..]

There will always be a small minority, currently 12.5% who want the manager sacked and are absolutely raging about anything and anything.

The big story here is that the manager had huge backing from the board and huge backing from the fans. Delighted to be ready to support the team this year with fellow supporters.

Nah, they just think LJ is a rubbish manager and would bin him.

It's a fair enough point of view and I'll bet every one of them will be supporting our club and wanting us to win. Just the same as you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There will always be a small minority, currently 12.5% who want the manager sacked and are absolutely raging about anything and anything.

The big story here is that the manager had huge backing from the board and huge backing from the fans. Delighted to be ready to support the team this year with fellow supporters.

I’m not sure 80% of people being between ‘ok and not great’ is huge backing from the support. It’s an acceptance of him being here but that’s about it.

[Lee]

Try clicking "default style" at the very bottom on the right.

Cheers - every day's a school day 🤓

[SHODAN]

Good: Stablised the team near the end of last season, wins v Hearts and Celtic, 6-0 v Aberdeen, some decent signings, seems a likeable manager who guys want to play for.
Bad: Back-to-back 0-3 derby losses, 1-2 v Inter, awful cup record, poor performances v OF, average season generally.

He's been heavily backed so if we're not competing up there with Hearts and Aberdeen this season then something's wrong. Needs to get it right.

[ancient hibee]

I’m not sure 80% of people being between ‘ok and not great’ is huge backing from the support. It’s an acceptance of him being here but that’s about it.

It has nothing to do with level of backing from support. It’s less than 160 people on here expressing an opinion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It has nothing to do with level of backing from support. It’s less than 160 people on here expressing an opinion.

It is, but it’s an opinion on the very thread we’re commenting on.

Until another poll is done on a bigger scale then this is the one available to discuss.

By the same token, the comment I was replying to said there was huge backing from the fans. There’s not been a poll of the whole support done to be able to say that either.

[H18 SFR]

I see 100% of contributors on the league prediction thread have Hibs to finish 3rd or 4th so far. The manager is well liked between that thread and this one. The 13% on here is still about right in terms of every club in the land I’d imagine.

[007]

I see 100% of contributors on the league prediction thread have Hibs to finish 3rd or 4th so far. The manager is well liked between that thread and this one. The 13% on here is still about right in terms of every club in the land I’d imagine.

I'd noticed nobody as yet has predicted Hearts to finish above us. I wonder who'll be 1st to break ranks.

[Hibs90]

You complain online and that's all. Sounds like the very definition of someone who is "accepting mediocrity". You're the one that's copping out.

What other options do I have? Very curious to know.

[Hibs90]

But we mustn't accept mediocrity even though no-one knows what that entails.

Mediocrity such as leaving the league cup at the first time of asking
Such as leaving the Scottish first time of asking
or taking drubbings against Hearts.

59% seem happy enough with that.

[ancient hibee]

It is, but it’s an opinion on the very thread we’re commenting on.

Until another poll is done on a bigger scale then this is the one available to discuss.

By the same token, the comment I was replying to said there was huge backing from the fans. There’s not been a poll of the whole support done to be able to say that either.


Quite agree. What is always in the back of my mind is that none of the people who sit around me have ever heard of Hibs.net .

[007]

What other options do I have? Very curious to know.

You could start by not accusing others of accepting mediocrity when it's actually that they just don't think things are as bad as you think they are.

[007]

Mediocrity such as leaving the league cup at the first time of asking
Such as leaving the Scottish first time of asking
or taking drubbings against Hearts.

59% seem happy enough with that.

Can't speak for all the 59% but I'd say it's not necessarily that they're accepting mediocrity it's more likely that they don't think sacking the manager is the right thing to do. We've had 1 competitive game this season (and only halfway through the tie), I haven't seen anybody say they were happy with that match or the performance was good enough but sacking the manager at this stage of the season would be a bad idea.

Do you think he should be sacked right now?

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm not sure on this, but I don't think there have been many on here calling for his head since last Thursday's result?

Most just seem to be saying he needs to get off to a good start in the league.

[Stuart93]

There will always be a small minority, currently 12.5% who want the manager sacked and are absolutely raging about anything and anything.

The big story here is that the manager had huge backing from the board and huge backing from the fans. Delighted to be ready to support the team this year with fellow supporters.

So them who have a different opinion to yours are absolutely raging? Is that how it works?

I’m happy to go into the season with LJ in charge and see what happens however go out tomorrow night and I want him emptied

[Silky]

Nah, they just think LJ is a rubbish manager and would bin him.

It's a fair enough point of view and I'll bet every one of them will be supporting our club and wanting us to win. Just the same as you.

I remember a while ago a very large majority of fans thinking Butcher was a great manager and being delighted when he was appointed! Sometimes, what us fans think, isn't always the reality!

[Silky]

It's not my job to sort the mediocrity. I don't work for Hibs or have any influence on who Hibs hire in the playing or coaching staff. This is the same cop out question when someone says a manager needs to go and then someone asks 'who should replace him'. It's not our job.

It's our job to support the team, which we all do in our own ways.

But then surely if we have no influence over anything we have no choice but to accept what we are given? If it is our job to support the team, then by that standard our continued support of our "mediocre" team is "accepting mediocrity". To withdraw support would be refusing to accept it! And I don't think that is something any of us are considering.

[WhileTheChief..]

I remember a while ago a very large majority of fans thinking Butcher was a great manager and being delighted when he was appointed! Sometimes, what us fans think, isn't always the reality!

Yup, i was one of them.

At the of the Hamilton game at ER, pretty much every single one of us wanted him gone!

We get it right more often than not.

[TheMentalHibees]

He’s already survived a couple of sackable events. Had the club not already sacked two managers in quick succession I think he’d already be away.

His interviews in general annoy me, the waffling and nonsense phrases he comes out with, but in particular I don’t like that he never takes any blame when we have a poor performance, no accountability. There’s always an excuse or someone to blame.

With the backing he’s had it’s clear he’ll be here for the foreseeable but unless he can address the deficiencies from last season (changing of the side after every defeat meaning we never have a settled 11, no clear style of play, streaky runs of form) I can’t see this year being any different.


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[Hibbyradge]

Mediocrity such as leaving the league cup at the first time of asking
Such as leaving the Scottish first time of asking
or taking drubbings against Hearts.

59% seem happy enough with that.

:faf:

What does not accepting it entail?

[Hibbyradge]

So them who have a different opinion to yours are absolutely raging? Is that how it works?

I’m happy to go into the season with LJ in charge and see what happens however go out tomorrow night and I want him emptied

That's too simple a position imo.

What if the referee makes a couple of shocking decisions against us and they cause us to get knocked out.

What if we have several injuries?

What if we hit the woodwork several times and have a penalty saved? What if the keeper throws the ball in his own net?

None of those things would be the manager's fault. Sack him anyway?

I do think that the buck stops at the manager, but I also think fans are too desperate to find someone to blame.

Just some thoughts from my currently Covid ravaged mind.

[Hibbyradge]

He’s already survived a couple of sackable events. Had the club not already sacked two managers in quick succession I think he’d already be away.

His interviews in general annoy me, the waffling and nonsense phrases he comes out with, but in particular I don’t like that he never takes any blame when we have a poor performance, no accountability. There’s always an excuse or someone to blame.

With the backing he’s had it’s clear he’ll be here for the foreseeable but unless he can address the deficiencies from last season (changing of the side after every defeat meaning we never have a settled 11, no clear style of play, streaky runs of form) I can’t see this year being any different.


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I can't remember a single manager taking the blame for a defeat or a bad performance, tbh. I did find a quote from LJ saying that he'd mistakes though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's too simple a position imo.

What if the referee makes a couple of shocking decisions against us and they cause us to get knocked out.

What if we have several injuries?

What if we hit the woodwork several times and have a penalty saved? What if the keeper throws the ball in his own net?

None of those things would be the manager's fault. Sack him anyway?

I do think that the buck stops at the manager, but I also think fans are too desperate to find someone to blame.

Just some thoughts from my currently Covid ravaged mind.

He got off lightly last season imo. Injuries and refereeing decisions were brought up constantly as excuses as to why we didn’t win games. Ultimately in a lot of these games though we didn’t do enough.

There can be no excuses tomorrow night, he simply has to get us through the tie. If he doesn’t then he should be gone imo.

[Hibbyradge]

He got off lightly last season imo. Injuries and refereeing decisions were brought up constantly as excuses as to why we didn’t win games. Ultimately in a lot of these games though we didn’t do enough.

There can be no excuses tomorrow night, he simply has to get us through the tie. If he doesn’t then he should be gone imo.

They weren't excuses, they were real reasons.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They weren't excuses, they were real reasons.

They were excuses because in a lot of games we didn’t do enough ourselves despite a potential bad decision going against us here and there.

We also have people who tell us we would have finished 3rd if certain decisions didn’t go against us as if we’re the only ones who had decisions go against us. That’s an excuse.

So far he has picked up 0.055 more points per game than Shaun Maloney. Over the course of a season that’s 2 points. He needs to improve on that significantly this season, starting Thursday. Knockout on Thursday should mean he doesn’t even get the opportunity, regardless of what decisions go our way or whether anyone gets injured during the game or whether we hit the post or miss a penalty.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Exiting Europe to an Andorran team would be completely unacceptable. Let’s get that part right.

last season was a very modest improvement on the shambles that was the season before. That has earned him the chance to make another improvement on that this season. That means top 4 and a run in the cups. Or top 6 and winning a cup. A winning record against hearts this season would also help him. We’ve been given a generous and kind run of fixtures to begin the season. If he fluffs them he can’t really complain if his position is considered untenable. It’s over to him.

[Hibbyradge]

They were excuses because in a lot of games we didn’t do enough ourselves despite a potential bad decision going against us here and there.

We also have people who tell us we would have finished 3rd if certain decisions didn’t go against us as if we’re the only ones who had decisions go against us. That’s an excuse.

So far he has picked up 0.055 more points per game than Shaun Maloney. Over the course of a season that’s 2 points. He needs to improve on that significantly this season, starting Thursday. Knockout on Thursday should mean he doesn’t even get the opportunity, regardless of what decisions go our way or whether anyone gets injured during the game or whether we hit the post or miss a penalty.

Well, there we are.

I disagree, but I know better than to continue arguing with you.

[WeeRussell]

Mediocrity such as leaving the league cup at the first time of asking
Such as leaving the Scottish first time of asking
or taking drubbings against Hearts.

59% seem happy enough with that.

See, your closing sentence just makes it seem like you’re being deliberately silly and almost provocative.

Almost every single manager in the history of every football club has had a poor result. Pulling up examples is fair enough, but claiming everyone that doesn’t think it’s time for him to get the chop “seem happy enough” with those lowlights is a bit childish imo.

[Hibbyradge]

See, your closing sentence just makes it seem like you’re being deliberately silly and almost provocative.

Almost every single manager in the history of every football club has had a poor result. Pulling up examples is fair enough, but claiming everyone that doesn’t think it’s time for him to get the chop “seem happy enough” with those lowlights is a bit childish imo.

Oh, lay off him.

[WeeRussell]

Oh, lay off him.

Who hit yours then, Goliath’s big brother?

[Hibbyradge]

Who hit yours then, Goliath’s big brother?

Quiet, silly person.

[McGruber]

Personally don't think starting this poll just now is in good taste.

He could of and imo should have been sacked at a point last season. He survived rightly or wrongly and had a much improved second half of the season. Most points we've taken in the top 6 I think (could be wrong).

We've stuck with him into this season. Another transfer window and some £2million spent. We've had 1 competitive game. Yes, that was an unmitigated disaster. But if the manager needed binned for that so do the 13 or 14 players that were culpable.

I'll vote on the manager after we get the season underway and see how we are looking after a run of games.

Not going to mention that he should be shown the door if we get knocked out tomorrow night... we won't. Will be a good performance and resounding win which will be the catalyst for a great start to the league and our league cup winning run.

[BSEJVT]

I just can’t take to LJ and thought he should have been sacked last season and feel that he is only ever one bad performance/result away from this debate reigniting but we cannot seriously be thinking of changing him at this stage of the season regardless of how the result goes tonight.

It would be utter stupidity and would smack of a look at me board deflecting attention from themselves.

As for this accepting mediocrity chat, it is brutal, total nonsensical stuff.

In no area of their life does anyone accept mediocrity, it just sometimes happen that things don’t work out as planned / expected.

What happens happens and then you need to decide how you are going to deal with it and move on.

Saying I don’t accept that mediocrity, isn’t going to change what has happened one iota.

[jeffers]

I just can’t take to LJ and thought he should have been sacked last season and feel that he is only ever one bad performance/result away from this debate reigniting but we cannot seriously be thinking of changing him at this stage of the season regardless of how the result goes tonight.

It would be utter stupidity and would smack of a look at me board deflecting attention from themselves.

As for this accepting mediocrity chat, it is brutal, total nonsensical stuff.

In no area of their life does anyone accept mediocrity, it just sometimes happen that things don’t work out as planned / expected.

What happens happens and then you need to decide how you are going to deal with it and move on.

Saying I don’t accept that mediocrity, isn’t going to change what has happened one iota.

I don’t for a minute think he’ll be sacked even if we do go out tonight, though it will be a huge black mark against him and will go against him along with some of the results last season, giving him little leeway if he goes on another losing streak.

I thought the poll was useful in gauging the general feeling towards him. There’s been a number of comments saying those of us who are totally against him are in the minority, yet going by this poll there are even less who are giving him their full backing.

[Greenio]

I don’t for a minute think he’ll be sacked even if we do go out tonight, though it will be a huge black mark against him and will go against him along with some of the results last season, giving him little leeway if he goes on another losing streak.

I thought the poll was useful in gauging the general feeling towards him. There’s been a number of comments saying those of us who are totally against him are in the minority, yet going by this poll there are even less who are giving him their full backing.

Highly unlikely a manager a year in would get full backing given that they'll have gone on poor runs, lost games they should have won etc.

People are impatient and unrealistic when it comes to football. They tend to over simplify things. Eg Manager lost, sack manger then win. Doesn't work like that.

People saying he should be sacked if we lose today are simply showing frustration and reacting in a way that doesn't actually require any consideration of the bigger picture. Not having a go. There very much entitled to their views and airing them.

Anyway, I think we'll win the go on a hazy Euro run. But come the next dip in form. Folk will be out for blood once again. It's the name of the game

[JimBHibees]

Highly unlikely a manager a year in would get full backing given that they'll have gone on poor runs, lost games they should have won etc.

People are impatient and unrealistic when it comes to football. They tend to over simplify things. Eg Manager lost, sack manger then win. Doesn't work like that.

People saying he should be sacked if we lose today are simply showing frustration and reacting in a way that doesn't actually require any consideration of the bigger picture. Not having a go. There very much entitled to their views and airing them.

Anyway, I think we'll win the go on a hazy Euro run. But come the next dip in form. Folk will be out for blood once again. It's the name of the game

Couldn't agree more would be nonsensical if he was sacked if we don't get through tonight imo.

[jeffers]

Highly unlikely a manager a year in would get full backing given that they'll have gone on poor runs, lost games they should have won etc.

People are impatient and unrealistic when it comes to football. They tend to over simplify things. Eg Manager lost, sack manger then win. Doesn't work like that.

People saying he should be sacked if we lose today are simply showing frustration and reacting in a way that doesn't actually require any consideration of the bigger picture. Not having a go. There very much entitled to their views and airing them.

Anyway, I think we'll win the go on a hazy Euro run. But come the next dip in form. Folk will be out for blood once again. It's the name of the game

I get that. My point was more in response to the posts that suggested he’s a good/great manager doing a good/great job. The poll, albeit a very small sample size would suggest to me the majority of fans are yet to be convinced.

With regards sacking him or not, the backing he’s had this season a similar one to last won’t see him survive. As with most other managers we’ve had sacking them, based on their lack of success elsewhere, doesn’t appear to have been the wrong decision, appointing someone even worse was. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t sack them though and I’ve no doubt if it gets to that stage the possibility they bring in someone even worse won’t factor into their decision.

[Since452]

If we don't progress tonight the manager should resign never mind be sacked.

We will progress though and i really think we'll have a decent season.

[jeffers]

Couldn't agree more would be nonsensical if he was sacked if we don't get through tonight imo.

As I’ve said I don’t think for a minute he will, but that decision wouldn’t be made purely on the strength of this tie, it would be the third cup exit out of three that occurred at the first round.

[HIBS NUTS]

Was this really the time to basically have a should we sack the manager thread AGAIN.
😞

[blackpoolhibs]

If the unthinkable happened and we were knocked out tonight, he couldnt survive.

He'd be slaughtered and a lot of people wouldnt let it go, we've seen it many times before when even a minority want a manager out, they always get their wish.

[Paulie Walnuts]

As I’ve said I don’t think for a minute he will, but that decision wouldn’t be made purely on the strength of this tie, it would be the third cup exit out of three that occurred at the first round.

And his overall generally poor record.

As I said, his record is only marginally better than Shaun Maloneys. 0.055ppg including the cup games, or 2 points over the course of a full season better.

To put that into context, he’s 0.36 ppg away from Jack Ross’ overall record. 14 points of a difference over the course of a season. His record so far is much, much closer to a Shaun Maloney type record than it is a Jack Ross and that’s despite being backed absolutely miles better than either of them could have dreamed of.

Some people claim they’ve seen huge strides being made since the Maloney days but the stats don’t really back that up. We’ve had the most marginal of improvements overall despite the fact he’s had massive backing in the transfer market.

[Hibernian Verse]

And his overall generally poor record.

As I said, his record is only marginally better than Shaun Maloneys. 0.055ppg, or 2 points over the course of a full season better.

To put that into context, he’s 0.36 ppg away from Jack Ross’ overall record. 14 points of a difference over the course of a season. His record so far is much, much closer to a Shaun Maloney type record than it is a Jack Ross and that’s despite being backed absolutely miles better than either of them could have dreamed of.

Some people claim they’ve seen huge strides being made since the Maloney days but the stats don’t really back that up. We’ve had the most marginal of improvements overall despite the fact he’s had massive backing in the transfer market.

Maloney's record was 1.10 PPG, he won 25% of his league games with us (5 in 20). That's 22 points, or 44 points (based on 40 games rather than 38 so it's generous).

LJ is 1.37 PPG, winning 39.5% of his league games (15 in 38). 52 points over the season, or 8 (likely more based on ppg).

Got my stats from footystats.org for reference.

LJ needs to improve on that this season. If he can, we will have a good one. Pressure is on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maloney's record was 1.10 PPG, he won 25% of his league games with us (5 in 20). That's 22 points, or 44 points (based on 40 games rather than 38 so it's generous).

LJ is 1.37 PPG, winning 39.5% of his league games (15 in 38). 52 points over the season, or 8 (likely more based on ppg).

Got my stats from footystats.org for reference.

LJ needs to improve on that this season. If he can, we will have a good one. Pressure is on.

Apologies, I edited my post to say I was including cup ties in it (I’m aware they don’t get awarded points obviously, but it allows a better picture of his overall record rather than just league games).

[Brightside]

Did someone say they can't recall a manager every taking the blame for a defeat? I mean that happens almost every week.

But back to this. He won't be being sacked any time soon. No matter the result. We have invested a huge amount in this season and thats an investment in the manager. If he goes it will be with BK going with him.

[worcesterhibby]

I'm still fairly positive about LJ and it's nice to see him getting so much (qualified) support in the poll. Our 5th place finish last season was the minimum requirement really and thankfully for LJ we had a pretty decent end to the season, so things finished on a pretty positive note in thwe last few games, rather than with us dropping back to 5th. Tight margins in a few games could have put us higher. Changing managers now would be crazy, there is no obvious, proven succesor and it would just take us back to square one again. Last weeks match was bloody awful, but I'm willing to put it down as a blip and mostly the players fault as long as we win and get through tonight.

We could really do with seeing LJ's Hibs with something like his first 11 playing for a few weeks before we can really judge. With Boyle and others out last season we never saw that. I still have concerns about the midfield but hopefully we can find a way to play Jeggo, Newall, Levitt and Campbell together effectivey in either a 3 or a 4. I tend to see JDH and Henderson very much as back up now. I think Obita will add drive and penetration to the right side, LS is a legend and solid, but we need to be seeing the upgrade now. Fish back in the Centre is great news and I like the look of Harbottle too, I like Rocky so we have plenty of cover in the centre of defense. Looking forward to a few games in a row where we see

Wollacott

Miller, Fish, Hanlon, Obita

Jeggo

Levitt, Newall

Boyle, Vente, Youan

I'm confident we can be pressing for 3rd if we have the vast majority of that team playing week in week out. That's LJ's challenge.

I'm also pretty confident that Brian McDermott is shrewd enough to judge when and if a new manager is required, I have no idea who actually makes the decision to change managers, but I assume Brian would have a big input as DOF.

The 6-0 against Aberdeen which was presented as El'Sackio was proof that the players back LJ in my view..if they had got beat he was probably toast. Instead they put in their best performance of the season which strongly suggests they want him tio succeed, the opposite was the case for Jim Badwin..the players chucked it, to get rid of him.

[Hibernian Verse]

Apologies, I edited my post to say I was including cup ties in it (I’m aware they don’t get awarded points obviously, but it allows a better picture of his overall record rather than just league games).

No worries, wasn't disagreeing with the general point.

[Greenworld]

The bookies are not that confident in LJ

First Premiership manager to leave post

Steven MacLean 6/4

Lee Johnson 6/1

Frankie McAvoy 7/1

Tony Docherty 8/1

Malky Mackay 8/1

Stuart Kettwell 10/1

David Martindale 10/1

Stephen Robinson 10/1

Derek McInnes 12/1

Michael Beale 33/1

Brendan Rodgers 33/1

Barry Robson 33/1



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[Fuzzywuzzy]

Given the expectations fans have this is a bit brave

"I'm really excited about what we can achieve with the squad moving forward with the signings that we have made. I can never guarantee anyone games, but what I can guarantee is we are moving in the right direction and we will have a good season."

He can't control injuries or suspensions. Like the rest of us he has no idea how he season will pan out

[Paulie Walnuts]

Given the expectations fans have this is a bit brave

"I'm really excited about what we can achieve with the squad moving forward with the signings that we have made. I can never guarantee anyone games, but what I can guarantee is we are moving in the right direction and we will have a good season."

He can't control injuries or suspensions. Like the rest of us he has no idea how he season will pan out

As someone else said, he’s nothing to lose. If we have a good season he’s right, if we have a bad one he’s sacked, as he would be if he never said that anyway.

It’s just a bit of a baseless soundbite imo.

[Centre Hawf]

Personally I don't rate him. I've said as such after last weeks loss that I'd probably like to see us move on to another target but I also fully appreciate that you need a calmer head to run a football club than some of us have at times when it comes to these decisions.

If I was to be somewhat fair and realistic, I'd say that he's got to get 4 wins out of the next 4 to help me feel better about him (a good win tonight, 6 points from the opening two fixtures, and progress past Raith). We play St Mirren, Motherwell and Livi as our first 3 games this season before going away to Aberdeen and ideally I'd like to have a nice bed of points going into that. October looks to be a stinker of a month that realistically could see us with 0 points out of 9, and December is always horrific for us fixture wise. So it is important we get off to a good start this season within our first 7 league matches.

Any real false starts like last season where we actually only picked up 5 points out of the first 15 (even if the equalisers were dramatic), or runs like last season in November through to January where we picked up 6 out of 33 points just simply cannot happen this season. That's before we even discuss any disastrous cup exits.

[worcesterhibby]

The bookies are not that confident in LJ

First Premiership manager to leave post

Steven MacLean 6/4

Lee Johnson 6/1


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That is always going to be the case after last weeks result and Hibs recent history of sacking managers - if we were to lose tonight his position would be tricky. If we win 4-0 tonight his odds will move to where Derek McInnes currently is at 12-1

[Hibs90]

You could start by not accusing others of accepting mediocrity when it's actually that they just don't think things are as bad as you think they are.

How bad do I think they are?


Can't speak for all the 59% but I'd say it's not necessarily that they're accepting mediocrity it's more likely that they don't think sacking the manager is the right thing to do. We've had 1 competitive game this season (and only halfway through the tie), I haven't seen anybody say they were happy with that match or the performance was good enough but sacking the manager at this stage of the season would be a bad idea.

Do you think he should be sacked right now?

Not right this very second no. That would be pointless. Go out tonight? Absolutely should be gone. Go through and a decent start to the league campaign and get through the league cup early games? Then he should carry on and things be reviewed after the first half of the season.

Do I think the club will do anything if things go tits up? No, unless there is a disaster start on all fronts I think the club will keep him. He has been backed financially probably more than any Hibs manager in my lifetime, it's up to him to put things right on the park. And lets face it, if he were to go, then there would need to be a change higher up also.


But then surely if we have no influence over anything we have no choice but to accept what we are given? If it is our job to support the team, then by that standard our continued support of our "mediocre" team is "accepting mediocrity". To withdraw support would be refusing to accept it! And I don't think that is something any of us are considering.

You can still support, whilst being unhappy at results or how a club is being run.


:faf:

What does not accepting it entail?

What's funny exactly?


See, your closing sentence just makes it seem like you’re being deliberately silly and almost provocative.

Almost every single manager in the history of every football club has had a poor result. Pulling up examples is fair enough, but claiming everyone that doesn’t think it’s time for him to get the chop “seem happy enough” with those lowlights is a bit childish imo.

It's hardly childish. 59% or whatever it is now, think he should stay. Which suggests that.

[Sioux]

Given the expectations fans have this is a bit brave

"I'm really excited about what we can achieve with the squad moving forward with the signings that we have made. I can never guarantee anyone games, but what I can guarantee is we are moving in the right direction and we will have a good season."

He can't control injuries or suspensions. Like the rest of us he has no idea how he season will pan out

FFS do you want him to say "we'll be crap" ?

You're just jumping on the 'LJ Out' bandwagon, and if that's the best you can come up with................

[WeeRussell]

It's hardly childish. 59% or whatever it is now, think he should stay. Which suggests that.

Okay, last one from me as I think (at least hope) you’re being deliberately obtuse:

It doesn’t at all.

I wasn’t happy with a few of our results and performances, including our playoff defeats and failure to get promoted under Alan Stubbs. I still thought he was a very good manager for us and at no point during his tenure wanted him to leave.

You don’t have to love every single moment under a manager to not think he should be chucked.

[Wilson]

As someone else said, he’s nothing to lose. If we have a good season he’s right, if we have a bad one he’s sacked, as he would be if he never said that anyway.

It’s just a bit of a baseless soundbite imo.

He tends to be a bit too forthcoming in interviews. Perhaps that is just his honest feeling on the situation. A man happy with the work being done and optimistic about our prospects.

It is all good anyway. He can't lament the quality of signing if it all goes belly up...

[jeffers]

FFS do you want him to say "we'll be crap" ?

You're just jumping on the 'LJ Out' bandwagon, and if that's the best you can come up with................

The post was fair enough. Guaranteeing anything is brave. Not sure how commenting on that is jumping on the LJ Out bandwagon, whatever that is.

[May21/05/216]

I'm fed up listening to him lambasting players and never takes responsibility for team selection and tactics

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[The Modfather]

I don’t have any strong feelings for Johnson either way. He’s fine, no more no less. Similarly, like Jack Ross, when he moves on he’ll be instantly forgotten.

If we were to go out tonight it would simply be a case of when not if he was to be inevitably sacked IMO. He has doesn’t have much credit in the bank IMO. The cup performances and inconsistent league campaign were probably netted off against finishing 5th. Going out of Europe at the first hurdle would be a tough, and long, journey to get back in credit again. A journey I don’t see him achieving given our answer to the midfield seems to be to swap Jeggo for Levitt so predict we’ll be as inconsistent as last season.

I think we’ll win tonight, but find myself in the same position as Ross. Not calling for him to be sacked but hoping someone comes in for him and give McDermot a chance to bring in someone.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Similarly, like Jack Ross, when he moves on he’ll be instantly forgotten.

Are you joking here? :greengrin

We still have people harping on about him to this day!

[BoomtownHibees]

As someone else said, he’s nothing to lose. If we have a good season he’s right, if we have a bad one he’s sacked, as he would be if he never said that anyway.

It’s just a bit of a baseless soundbite imo.

Is he now getting slated for saying we will have a good season?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is he now getting slated for saying we will have a good season?

I’m not slating him at all. I don’t really care what he says. The proof will be in the pudding.

[Hibrandenburg]

We can't keep getting in new managers to try and get the best out of the previous manager's team. This team can only now truly be called LJ's team and he should be judged on how they play under his leadership. We need to give him at least ¼ of a season before even thinking about pulling the rug again.

[worcesterhibby]

He has been backed financially probably more than any Hibs manager in my lifetime,

Alex McLeish deffo got more backing over his time at ER

Sauzee, Latapy, Zitelli, De La Cruz, Alen Orman, Mathias Jack, John O'Neil, Ulrik Laursen, Brewster, David Murphy

I'm not suggesting LJ hasn't been backed..and actually I have no idea how old you are..so maybe McLeish isn't in your lifetime !

[Mon Dieu4]

Alex McLeish deffo got more backing over his time at ER

Sauzee, Latapy, Zitelli, De La Cruz, Alen Orman, Mathias Jack, John O'Neil, Ulrik Laursen, Brewster, David Murphy

I'm not suggesting LJ hasn't been backed..and actually I have no idea how old you are..so maybe McLeish isn't in your lifetime !

Mowbray signed Murphy not McLeish, he left about 5 years before

[Brightside]

Are you joking here? :greengrin

We still have people harping on about him to this day!

Till the day I die. :greengrin

[Brightside]

Alex McLeish deffo got more backing over his time at ER

Sauzee, Latapy, Zitelli, De La Cruz, Alen Orman, Mathias Jack, John O'Neil, Ulrik Laursen, Brewster, David Murphy

I'm not suggesting LJ hasn't been backed..and actually I have no idea how old you are..so maybe McLeish isn't in your lifetime !

Eck got the lump of sky tv money tbf. We don't get that these days.

[Hibbyradge]

It would be utter stupidity and would smack of a look at me board deflecting attention from themselves.



Why would a "look at me board" divert attention from themselves?

Surely that would make them a "don't look at me board"! :greengrin

[Since452]

Ron seemed pretty trigger happy. I wonder it'll be the same now he's sadly gone.

[Hibbyradge]

Did someone say they can't recall a manager every taking the blame for a defeat? I mean that happens almost every week.



I must filter those occasions out if that's the case. I certainly can't remember regular occasions when the managers have taken the blame for defeats.

[Hibbyradge]

What's funny exactly?





The fact that you criticised everyone for voting to stick with LJ as proof that they accepted mediocrity, but avoided my question asking what not accepting it entailed.

That was funny.

[MartinDonegan]

Another observation that shows our strange situation, as an earlier poster noted, he is one of the likeliest managers to go first, and certainly this has to do with the match tonight (and by the way, Inter are 13/1 in the odds, so it's highly unlikely they beat us, and could be a nice financial consolation if we did lose). I did look at the odds for all of our earlier matches, and we are much better favourites against St Mirren than the other teams barring old firm are against their respective rivals. So in a sense, the bookies seem to expect us to do well, but they also think we might pull the trigger on the manager.

[Since452]

Alex McLeish deffo got more backing over his time at ER

Sauzee, Latapy, Zitelli, De La Cruz, Alen Orman, Mathias Jack, John O'Neil, Ulrik Laursen, Brewster, David Murphy

I'm not suggesting LJ hasn't been backed..and actually I have no idea how old you are..so maybe McLeish isn't in your lifetime !

:agree: McLeish's spending was the reason for Williamson having to play the youths and the emergence of the golden generation.

[Brightside]

I must filter those occasions out if that's the case. I certainly can't remember regular occasions when the managers have taken the blame for defeats.

EPL most weeks. Certainly the top managers are very quick to deflect away from the team and put the focus on themselves. Pep and Klopp especially. I'd like Lee to do more of that tbh. "Its my team, I take responsibility". He can then batter them behind doors but just don't do it to the press. For me that breeds resentment. and BTW I'm not saying he's the only one that does it- plenty managers do it....not just in football either.

[Hibs1969]

After all the money Hibs have spent during this window there is no way Johnson will be sacked any time soon, even if we fail to get through tonight.

[Dmas]

EPL most weeks. Certainly the top managers are very quick to deflect away from the team and put the focus on themselves. Pep and Klopp especially. I'd like Lee to do more of that tbh. "Its my team, I take responsibility". He can then batter them behind doors but just don't do it to the press. For me that breeds resentment. and BTW I'm not saying he's the only one that does it- plenty managers do it....not just in football either.

Wee bit easier when ur only losing 4 times a season, LJ shouldn’t be shouldering the blame in the press when 11 pro footballers can’t pass the ball 5yds like last week in Andorra

[worcesterhibby]

Mowbray signed Murphy not McLeish, he left about 5 years before

apologies, was using memory not googling..my point stands though

[GreenGray]

After all the money Hibs have spent during this window there is no way Johnson will be sacked any time soon, even if we fail to get through tonight.

Pretty depressing thought if this is the case. We are stuck with an underperforming manager (which he would be if we went out tonight) just because we have spent significant money. Why not bring in someone better who could get more out of that significant spending?

[Brightside]

Wee bit easier when ur only losing 4 times a season, LJ shouldn’t be shouldering the blame in the press when 11 pro footballers can’t pass the ball 5yds like last week in Andorra

He should. He's the boss. If I have a team of people and they **** up I'm the one that will take responsibility. Its doesn't matter who is actually at fault. Hence we get Alison Rose leaving Natwest for something that had very little to do with her. Its just leadership.

Now in the back ground he can get rid of players that are letting him down but you always back them to the outside world. I want to hear a lot more WE, I and lot less THEY/THEM

It was all WE on his PR this week. Needs to be that after defeats too.

[Hibbyradge]

He should. He's the boss. If I have a team of people and they **** up I'm the one that will take responsibility. Its doesn't matter who is actually at fault. Hence we get Alison Rose leaving Natwest for something that had very little to do with her. Its just leadership.

Now in the back ground he can get rid of players that are letting him down but you always back them to the outside world. I want to hear a lot more WE, I and lot less THEY/THEM

It was all WE on his PR this week. Needs to be that after defeats too.

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[Brightside]

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Yep - I said all managers do it. Thats wasn't worth searching for. :greengrin. Its a bad look no matter which manager does it.


https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/interview/hibernian-boss-jack-ross-takes-blame-for-system-change-which-failed-to-pay-off/

[Donegal Hibby]

Pretty depressing thought if this is the case. We are stuck with an underperforming manager (which he would be if we went out tonight) just because we have spent significant money. Why not bring in someone better who could get more out of that significant spending?

Think we will win tonight btw and I don't think we have an underperforming manager tbh . We finished 8th the season before he was appointed and with a squad that had problems in his first full season in charge we finished 5th with at times some good results and performance's.

Getting rid of the manager might work in we could get someone better though the flip side of that is we might get another Maloney or one of the suggestions from last year from a few folk on here to replace the manager that were significantly worse than what we have now .

Sacking the manager after one bad result before the league campaign starts wouldn't be the right course of action to take imo especially when it's clear we are improving . I honestly think we will have a decent season and will be very much in the mix for 3rd this season.

[Hibbyradge]

Yep - I said all managers do it. Thats wasn't worth searching for. :greengrin. Its a bad look no matter which manager does it.


https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/interview/hibernian-boss-jack-ross-takes-blame-for-system-change-which-failed-to-pay-off/

But you didn't lambast him, or any of the others, for doing it.

The interview I read from LJ after the Andorra defeat quoted him saying "We", "I" and "They". There was nothing at all wrong with it, but if people just want to find negatives, they'll point out the "They's".

LJ doesn't "throw players under buses" any more than anyone else, and certainly doesn't criticise them to the extent JR did, and he doesn't pick out individual players.

Yet this is regularly used as a stick to beat him with.

[JimBHibees]

I'm fed up listening to him lambasting players and never takes responsibility for team selection and tactics

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Very rarely he does that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think we will win tonight btw and I don't think we have an underperforming manager tbh . We finished 8th the season before he was appointed and with a squad that had problems in his first full season in charge we finished 5th with at times some good results and performance's.

Getting rid of the manager might work in we could get someone better though the flip side of that is we might get another Maloney or one of the suggestions from last year from a few folk on here to replace the manager that were significantly worse than what we have now .

Sacking the manager after one bad result before the league campaign starts wouldn't be the right course of action to take imo especially when it's clear we are improving . I honestly think we will have a decent season and will be very much in the mix for 3rd this season.

Is it clear we’re improving?

Our results under him are nothing to write home about and in all competitions they’re almost identical to those of Shaun Maloney with the difference being by the slightest of margins.

[Hibbyradge]

Yep - I said all managers do it. Thats wasn't worth searching for. :greengrin. Its a bad look no matter which manager does it.


https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/interview/hibernian-boss-jack-ross-takes-blame-for-system-change-which-failed-to-pay-off/

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lee-johnson-lambasts-timid-hibs-questions-psychology-speaks-of-fear-and-points-finger-of-blame-at-himself-after-celtic-loss-3881375

"Johnson labelled his team “timid” and questioned certain players’ psychology, while also accepting blame himself with his own tactics and team selection after making a quadruple substitution at half time."

"When asked where the finger of blame should be pointed, Johnson continued: “First and foremost it’s 100 per cent me. I sent the team to press in a certain way and got it wrong, it’s as simple as that and I have to take responsibility."

[Billy McKirdy]

Can't seem to vote off my phone here. I would add my voice to those that are happy to see him given a good run at the job to see where it takes us.

same problem but just requested desktop version in settings and was able to vote

[Donegal Hibby]

Is it clear we’re improving?

Our results under him are nothing to write home about and in all competitions they’re almost identical to those of Shaun Maloney with the difference being by the slightest of margins.
Compared to the year before he took over when we finished in 8th place then yeah I'd say we have improved . While there have been bad results there's also been some really good ones 6-0 Aberdeen , beating St mirren away , hertz win and others . The difference between Maloney's Hibs team and LJ's for me is we actually look like a team that can score goals now .

[superfurryhibby]

Yep - I said all managers do it. Thats wasn't worth searching for. :greengrin. Its a bad look no matter which manager does it.


https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/interview/hibernian-boss-jack-ross-takes-blame-for-system-change-which-failed-to-pay-off/

Just admit you were talking utter mince and move on.

[Greenworld]

Ron seemed pretty trigger happy. I wonder it'll be the same now he's sadly gone.The answer is yes. American owners act very quickly no sentiment

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[Brightside]

Just admit you were talking utter mince and move on.

Thats adding plenty. Intelligent input darling.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The answer is yes. American owners act very quickly no sentiment

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Yup ... unless we become the winningest ball club in Scotch soccer LJ will be in real danger of getting fired :greengrin

[Brightside]

But you didn't lambast him, or any of the others, for doing it.

The interview I read from LJ after the Andorra defeat quoted him saying "We", "I" and "They". There was nothing at all wrong with it, but if people just want to find negatives, they'll point out the "They's".

LJ doesn't "throw players under buses" any more than anyone else, and certainly doesn't criticise them to the extent JR did, and he doesn't pick out individual players.

Yet this is regularly used as a stick to beat him with.

I said it all the time with Butcher. He was always doing it. I didn't lambast Jack Ross as I like Jack Ross. Am I biased against LJ - YES. Ive never said other wise. Anyone who doesn't like a manager will always highlight issues and hide issues of those they like. We are all guilty of that. Im happy to accept that lots of fans like LJ. Carry on liking him. But there is no need to claim other fans have some agenda against LJ - I just don't like him.

[Hibernian Verse]

Thats adding plenty. Intelligent input darling.

Why don't you just have another beer then?

Not sure if that's the reference you were making, if not - google it :greengrin

[Brightside]

Why don't you just have another beer then?

Not sure if that's the reference you were making, if not - google it :greengrin

It was indeed.

[Hibbyradge]

I said it all the time with Butcher. He was always doing it. I didn't lambast Jack Ross as I like Jack Ross. Am I biased against LJ - YES. Ive never said other wise. Anyone who doesn't like a manager will always highlight issues and hide issues of those they like. We are all guilty of that. Im happy to accept that lots of fans like LJ. Carry on liking him. But there is no need to claim other fans have some agenda against LJ - I just don't like him.

We're talking about you criticising LJ for "throwing players under buses" and not taking responsibility. I haven't mentioned agendas in this discussion.

Thanks for admitting that you're biased against LJ though.

[Brightside]

We're talking about you criticising LJ for "throwing players under buses" and not taking responsibility. I haven't mentioned agendas in this discussion.

Thanks for admitting that you're biased against LJ though.

and you are biased towards him. which is fine. Everyone is biased. Thats just human nature. To say otherwise is just wrong.

So when LJ doesn't back his players I will point it out. And you can say - thats fine other managers do it to. And the ever decreasing circles continue.

[WeeRussell]

Forgive me if I’m just being stupid or missing something - but isn’t admitting being biased against someone you don’t like and lambasting them for their alleged faults (some proven to be plainly untrue) while hiding the same issues against other people you prefer, a pretty good definition of carrying an agenda against someone?!

[Hibbyradge]

and you are biased towards him. which is fine. Everyone is biased. Thats just human nature. To say otherwise is just wrong.

So when LJ doesn't back his players I will point it out. And you can say - thats fine other managers do it to. And the ever decreasing circles continue.

Except I'm not biased towards him. I want him to succeed but I'm not a fan boy by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm biased against people being unfair in their criticism and stoking resentment against our manager at every opportunity. He doesn't deserve that.

[Brightside]

Forgive me if I’m just being stupid or missing something - but isn’t admitting being biased against someone you don’t like and lambasting them for their alleged faults while hiding the same issues against other people you prefer, a pretty good definition of carrying an agenda against someone?!

No. Just so we are all clear people on here Not liking a manager is only that. How on earth can it be an agenda. We are totally powerless and just chatting. People need to stop being so dramatic. There is no AGENDA.

IF we all start emailing Ben constantly, booing him at every game, stop going to games, remove sponsorship, shove ***** through his letterbox......then we may be talking about an agenda.

I've said constantly he will not be sacked - not for a long time. But that doesn't mean we have to stop discussing him just because some of the posters of here like him.

[Brightside]

Except I'm not biased towards him. I want him to succeed but I'm not a fan boy by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm biased against people being unfair in their criticism and stoking resentment against our manager at every opportunity. He doesn't deserve that.

nobody is stoking. But you are basically asking me not to comment on any thread that discusses LJ. Simple because you disagree with me.

[ancient hibee]

Forgive me if I’m just being stupid or missing something - but isn’t admitting being biased against someone you don’t like and lambasting them for their alleged faults (some proven to be plainly untrue) while hiding the same issues against other people you prefer, a pretty good definition of carrying an agenda against someone?!

:top marks :top marks

[JimBHibees]

Is it clear we’re improving?

Our results under him are nothing to write home about and in all competitions they’re almost identical to those of Shaun Maloney with the difference being by the slightest of margins.

Think we improved from January last season. Good in the post split games where we should have won 4 out of 5.

[Hibbyradge]

nobody is stoking. But you are basically asking me not to comment on any thread that discusses LJ. Simple because you disagree with me.

I'm asking you to be more balanced and fair, and not just single out supposed faults to beat him with.

Whether it's your conscious intention or not, constantly picking fault is stoking resentment.

If people only looked at Paul Hanlon's faults and ignored his positive attributes, you'd have something to say.

[WeeRussell]

No. Just so we are all clear people on here Not liking a manager is only that. How on earth can it be an agenda. We are totally powerless and just chatting. People need to stop being so dramatic. There is no AGENDA.

IF we all start emailing Ben constantly, booing him at every game, stop going to games, remove sponsorship, shove ***** through his letterbox......then we may be talking about an agenda.

I've said constantly he will not be sacked - not for a long time. But that doesn't mean we have to stop discussing him just because some of the posters of here like him.

First of all - thanks. “People need to stop being so dramatic” followed by that was quite ironically amusing and I needed that on a slow afternoon 😁

I don’t think anyone, certainly not me, are asking for the chat to stop. I was just asking a question.

I think some of us simply have different understandings of what the word ‘agenda’ means in this context. You (and maybe others getting wound-up by the term) seem to believe it has to equate to physically trying to get someone to lose their job - to be clear I absolutely do not think you’re trying to do that.

No big deal to me, I just thought that deliberately highlighting faults that he either doesn’t have or shares with others and admitting posting in a deliberately biased way about him, and only him, could constitute an agenda.. even without shovelling **** through his letter box.

[superfurryhibby]

No. Just so we are all clear people on here Not liking a manager is only that. How on earth can it be an agenda. We are totally powerless and just chatting. People need to stop being so dramatic. There is no AGENDA.

IF we all start emailing Ben constantly, booing him at every game, stop going to games, remove sponsorship, shove ***** through his letterbox......then we may be talking about an agenda.

I've said constantly he will not be sacked - not for a long time. But that doesn't mean we have to stop discussing him just because some of the posters of here like him.

No one really cares if you like the manager or not, it's the posting of **** stirring nonsense that seeks to portray him negatively that people mind.

[Brightside]

I'm asking you to be more balanced and fair, and not just single out supposed faults to beat him with.

Whether it's your conscious intention or not, constantly picking fault is stoking resentment.

If people only looked at Paul Hanlon's faults and ignored his positive attributes, you'd have something to say.

I would and its why we have the forum I guess. :greengrin

I don't have the power to stoke resentment though. No one really cares what anyone says on here.

[Brightside]

First of all - thanks. “People need to stop being so dramatic” followed by that was quite ironically amusing and I needed that on a slow afternoon 😁

I don’t think anyone, certainly not me, are asking for the chat to stop. I was just asking a question.

I think some of us simply have different understandings of what the word ‘agenda’ means in this context. You (and maybe others getting wound-up by the term) seem to believe it has to equate to physically trying to get someone to lose their job - to be clear I absolutely do not think you’re trying to do that.

No big deal to me, I just thought that deliberately highlighting faults that he either doesn’t have or shares with others and admitting posting in a deliberately biased way about him, and only him, could constitute an agenda.. even without shovelling **** through his letter box.

An agenda would mean I'm working on a plan against him. Thats what the term agenda means. I have no plan. Just enjoying the chat.

[Brightside]

No one really cares if you like the manager or not, it's the posting of **** stirring nonsense that seeks to portray him negatively that people mind.

Its a discussion board.....just get on with it. And I don't want you to care.

[Brightside]

I'll check out now. Got some work to do before I head off to the game to support my team and manager. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

I would and its why we have the forum I guess. :greengrin

I don't have the power to stoke resentment though. No one really cares what anyone says on here.

Your constant criticism stokes resentment. Your negativity towards him is the power.

Obviously people do care what others post otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate. We also wouldn't see the regular rammies on here which, while often amusing, are unnecessary and wouldn't happen without the safety of the internet and a username.

Enough from me.

For now! :greengrin

[WeeRussell]

I'll check out now. Got some work to do before I head off to the game to support my team and manager. :greengrin

Enjoy BS 👍

Give LJ an extra cheer mind 😁

[Mon Dieu4]

well done LJ

[Brightside]

Decent footwear and we win. QED.

[Lancs Harp]

Decently groomed tonight. Clearly made the effort.

[HoboHarry]

LJ for Prime Minister and all the dobbers on here who wanted him fired should be dressed in Victoria Secret green under dungers and forced to serve him grapes from a silver platter.

[Since452]

Hopefully the hysteria will die down. Until Sunday 😂

[Hibbyradge]

LJ for Prime Minister and all the dobbers on here who wanted him fired should be dressed in Victoria Secret green under dungers and forced to serve him grapes from a silver platter.

Man, that's a hot image.

[Donegal Hibby]

Well done LJ :greengrin

[SHODAN]

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