COVID inquiry

[grunt]

Looks like the Covid inquiry is going to run for the next few years, reporting findings along the way, together with (presumably) daily coverage of the speeches. Thought it might be an idea to have a specific thread to capture inquiry-specific content.

Day 1 has got off to a promising start with discussion around the negative impact of Brexit on the Government's ability to allocate time and resource to pandemic preparation and planning. In particular, the Government's refusal to take up the EU offer to delay Brexit to allow everyone to deal with Covid.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1668578737665855488?s=20

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PPE scandal makes its debut on Day 1 of the inquiry

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1668622725110464512?s=20

[Kato]

PPE scandal makes its debut on Day 1 of the inquiry

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1668622725110464512?s=20https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/20/exclusivemillions-pieces-ppe-shipped-britain-europe-despite/

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[grunt]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/20/exclusivemillions-pieces-ppe-shipped-britain-europe-despite/

I remember that. I can only assume it was more profitable to sell abroad at that time.

[Sylar]

Another long, drawn out process that will lead to not one of them being prosecuted, fined, or even forced to say they're sorry they ****ed up.

Because none of them believe they did anything wrong.

They (who were in power, writing the 'rules') should all be jailed for how they handled the pandemic.

[grunt]

They (who were in power, writing the 'rules') should all be jailed for how they handled the pandemic.I agree. But we're not going to get that, so a lengthy forensic analysis of everything the Tories did wrong will have to do instead. I can take that, and maybe we'll have jail sentences later.

[Kato]

I remember that. I can only assume it was more profitable to sell abroad at that time.This company attempted to reach out to the govt when the call went out to supply ppe. They were already suppliers to the NHS. No one from the govt would reply to their calls or wanted to discuss ppe with them.

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[grunt]

This company attempted to reach out to the govt when the call went out to supply ppe. They were already suppliers to the NHS. No one from the govt would reply to their calls or wanted to discuss ppe with them.
Hopefully this will all come out in the inquiry. And hopefully prison time awaits for some of these politicians.

[Bostonhibby]

This company attempted to reach out to the govt when the call went out to supply ppe. They were already suppliers to the NHS. No one from the govt would reply to their calls or wanted to discuss ppe with them.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThey should have opened up a pub in Newmarket and submitted their request direct to Matt Hancock from there.

That seems to have been the process at the time if Lord Deighton was overloaded with requests from Donors, chums and partners of Scottish peers of the realm.

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[Pretty Boy]

I think it's fair to say the opening day of the Scottish inquiry got a less than lukewarm reaction from the bereaved families in attendance today.

[He's here!]

I think it's fair to say the opening day of the Scottish inquiry got a less than lukewarm reaction from the bereaved families in attendance today.

Scottish Covid inquiry: Families condemn 'shameful' first day - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66312180)

[Paul1642]

Another fortune spent on an enquiry. Won’t change anything that’s happened and no new lessons will be learned as a result.

[Glory Lurker]

Another fortune spent on an enquiry. Won’t change anything that’s happened and no new lessons will be learned as a result.

Exactly. Like the folk at the controls won't do whatever they want next time. "Oh, but that was a different virus". "Oh, but that enquiry focused on the original tram contract".

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Today at the inquiry:

During a pandemic with thousands dying & knowing a vaccine was coming, Rishi Sunak pushed a costly scheme to pack people into restaurants- telling people it was safe to go back to socialising indoors- without consulting the chief medical officer or chief scientific advisor.

Boris Johnson wrote the word "bollocks" across a Dept of Health document on Long Covid, the Covid Inquiry has heard this afternoon.

[Bostonhibby]

Who to believe?

https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1709267154757992914?t=aNmAzLJMHLYHxpYpg_udtw&s=08

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[grunt]

Interesting insight into Johnson's view of the role of the devolved administrations during Covid. That is to say, he thinks they should have had no role.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-67076592

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Johnson's idea of "following the science at all times".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8U9pqbXcAAuhqL?format=jpg&name=medium

[silverhibee]

Johnson's idea of "following the science at all times".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8U9pqbXcAAuhqL?format=jpg&name=medium

He should be facing charges along with the rest of them in the government at the time.

[Kato]

Johnson's idea of "following the science at all times".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8U9pqbXcAAuhqL?format=jpg&name=mediumHand writing and vocabulary is brutal for someone who went to a posh school.

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[lapsedhibee]

Hand writing and vocabulary is brutal for someone who went to a posh school.


I was expecting the scrawled comments to be in Latin.

[Kato]

I was expecting the scrawled comments to be in Latin.That's just for in front of the plebs, they think it's intimidating.

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[grunt]

Dr. Death the Chancellor

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8zugtRXIAA70gt?format=jpg&name=medium

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Prof Catherine Noakes, "EMG (SAGE Environmental Modelling Group) were not asked to consider Eat Out To Help Out. Had we been asked we would have had a concern that encouraging people to get together indoors was not a well designed approach".

[JimBHibees]

He should be facing charges along with the rest of them in the government at the time.

Absolutely should be but wont

[JimBHibees]

Today at the inquiry:

During a pandemic with thousands dying & knowing a vaccine was coming, Rishi Sunak pushed a costly scheme to pack people into restaurants- telling people it was safe to go back to socialising indoors- without consulting the chief medical officer or chief scientific advisor.

Boris Johnson wrote the word "bollocks" across a Dept of Health document on Long Covid, the Covid Inquiry has heard this afternoon.

Quite staggering the Sunak eat out nonsense

[J-C]

Quite staggering the Sunak eat out nonsense

It showed they cared more about the economy than people's lives.

[grunt]

This is hard to listen to.

https://x.com/doctor_oxford/status/1715314067873640860?s=20

[Stairway 2 7]

This is hard to listen to.

https://x.com/doctor_oxford/status/1715314067873640860?s=20

He also predicted up to 6000 deaths a day if they didn't lock down for Omicron, they didn't and I think it peaked at about 200.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/18/uk-scientists-curbs-covid-infections-omicron-deaths-restrictions-sage
Deaths could hit 6,000 a day and delaying restrictions until New Year will cut effectiveness, say Sage experts

I think they should have locked down harder pre vaccine but not on Edmunds models. Scotland and England had the same excess deaths in the end and both about average compared to western Europe.

[Hibernian Verse]

It showed they cared more about the economy than people's lives.

I'm no Tory, but it I can understand why they felt they had to boost the economy and get people back to work.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm no Tory, but it I can understand why they felt they had to boost the economy and get people back to work.

It was possibly the worst way, indoor busy environment. This was pre vaccine and when most of the population hadn't had the virus. It was a shocking idea.

Sunak was always the most anti restrictions in the government, economy over lives.

Although sweeden had one of the lowest excess deaths in the world and had no lockdowns so what do I know

[Northernhibee]

It was possibly the worst way, indoor busy environment. This was pre vaccine and when most of the population hadn't had the virus. It was a shocking idea.

Sunak was always the most anti restrictions in the government, economy over lives.

Although sweeden had one of the lowest excess deaths in the world and had no lockdowns so what do I know
Sweden did pretty badly (but incredibly not as badly as us)

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-31/sweden-covid-policy-was-a-disaster

[Stairway 2 7]

Sweden did pretty badly (but incredibly not as badly as us)

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-31/sweden-covid-policy-was-a-disaster

No one impartial uses recorded covid deaths per million. The uk did around 10 times more testing than any other nation so you would expect us to find 10 x more deaths. Belarus had almost zero covid deaths per million because they didn't bother testing.

What they use to even out the testing is excess deaths. Its how many deaths in the pandemic months were above what the nation would have on average.

Multiple studies show the same a small excess death amount for sweeden. I think it was done by attitude change, schools and pubs stayed open but people mixed less, great health service and most importantly got vacated in large numbers.


https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=30130
"[p]roportional all-cause excess-mortality scores" (which "measure[] the percentage change in the number of deaths compared to the expected number of deaths (based on the five-year average [from 2015 to 2019])" among the listed European countries, looking at data from Jan. 2020 to June 2022: Their excess mortality was up 2.7%, compared to, say, 5.2% for Denmark, 7.1% for Finland, and 11.8% for the Netherlands

Excess death list by ucla, its basically poorly vaccinated countries at the top. Social media and antivaxers have blood on their hands

United States 20.90
Poland 20.13
Slovak Republic 18.89
Czech Republic 16.19
Slovenia 14.25
Greece 13.90
Israel 13.14
Netherlands 12.54
Spain 12.34
Canada 12.12
Estonia 11.94
Portugal 11.79
Italy 11.73
Lithuania 11.14
Hungary 10.81
Austria 10.80
United Kingdom 10.60
France 9.99
Latvia 9.66
Switzerland 9.42
Germany 8.86
Luxembourg 8.79
Finland 8.60
Belgium 8.21
Australia 8.07
Iceland 7.98
New Zealand 7.61
Denmark 6.12
Norway 4.28
Sweden 2.79

[Ryan91]

No one impartial uses recorded covid deaths per million. The uk did around 10 times more testing than any other nation so you would expect us to find 10 x more deaths. Belarus had almost zero covid deaths per million because they didn't bother testing.

What they use to even out the testing is excess deaths. Its how many deaths in the pandemic months were above what the nation would have on average.

Multiple studies show the same a small excess death amount for sweeden. I think it was done by attitude change, schools and pubs stayed open but people mixed less, great health service and most importantly got vacated in large numbers.


https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=30130
"[p]roportional all-cause excess-mortality scores" (which "measure[] the percentage change in the number of deaths compared to the expected number of deaths (based on the five-year average [from 2015 to 2019])" among the listed European countries, looking at data from Jan. 2020 to June 2022: Their excess mortality was up 2.7%, compared to, say, 5.2% for Denmark, 7.1% for Finland, and 11.8% for the Netherlands

Excess death list by ucla, its basically poorly vaccinated countries at the top. Social media and antivaxers have blood on their hands

United States 20.90
Poland 20.13
Slovak Republic 18.89
Czech Republic 16.19
Slovenia 14.25
Greece 13.90
Israel 13.14
Netherlands 12.54
Spain 12.34
Canada 12.12
Estonia 11.94
Portugal 11.79
Italy 11.73
Lithuania 11.14
Hungary 10.81
Austria 10.80
United Kingdom 10.60
France 9.99
Latvia 9.66
Switzerland 9.42
Germany 8.86
Luxembourg 8.79
Finland 8.60
Belgium 8.21
Australia 8.07
Iceland 7.98
New Zealand 7.61
Denmark 6.12
Norway 4.28
Sweden 2.79

Surprised to see Israel that far up the list, were they not really big on pushing out vaccines as quickly as possible

[Stairway 2 7]

Surprised to see Israel that far up the list, were they not really big on pushing out vaccines as quickly as possible

They got Pfizer really early due to a deal that sent Pfizer early info. The problem was uptake was patchy they basically ignored the Palestinians shockingly and also a lot of orthodox communities refused the jab.

Lockdowns helped pre vaccine I believe but after that vaccines were the only difference

[grunt]

Sorry to hear that Cabinet Secretary Simon Case is too ill to attend the Covid inquiry. Get well soon Simon.

[grunt]

Apparently Matt Hancock is demanding immunity from prosecution before he gives evidence at the Covid inquiry. Nothing to hide there then.

[silverhibee]

Apparently Matt Hancock is demanding immunity from prosecution before he gives evidence at the Covid inquiry. Nothing to hide there then.

That should have alarm bells ringing with the Met Police, he must think there “is” a chance he could be prosecuted for the deaths of people who were put in to care homes from hospital, he has already been caught lying when he said they have thrown a protective ring around care homes, which he hadn’t.

Get one up on charges and maybe we get a whistleblower that grasses the rest of them up.

[grunt]

Last week the inquiry discussed a Government email from January 2020 talking about the likelihood of asymptomatic transmission.
Yet Hancock told the press that the Government were never informed of asymptomatic transmission.

I wonder why this inquiry is receiving so little coverage in the news?

[greenginger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67217363

and from the Scottish covid enquiry

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67217363

and from the Scottish covid enquiry

Some care home residents may have been "neglected and left to starve" during the pandemic, Scotland's Covid Inquiry is expected to hear.

"Is expected to hear"?

But you're right, I fully expect that we will get wall to wall coverage of the Scottish inquiry, with every anti-SG innuendo given large headlines, while at the same time the silence from down South will be like that of the lambs.

[greenginger]

"Is expected to hear"?

But you're right, I fully expect that we will get wall to wall coverage of the Scottish inquiry, with every anti-SG innuendo given large headlines, while at the same time the silence from down South will be like that of the lambs.


You’d rather have a cover up at the Scottish enquiry?

[Kato]

You’d rather have a cover up at the Scottish enquiry?Strange assumption.

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[grunt]

You’d rather have a cover up at the Scottish enquiry?
You have a strange way of thinking that I struggle to understand.

[greenginger]

You have a strange way of thinking that I struggle to understand.

You’re complaint seemed to be there was a cover up on the enquiry down south but full coverage of the enquiry up here.

It’s not exactly a difficult link to to ask if you would like the enquiry up here covered up too..

[Bostonhibby]

Apparently Matt Hancock is demanding immunity from prosecution before he gives evidence at the Covid inquiry. Nothing to hide there then.Compel his pub landlord to testify, that should be testimony we can all relate to

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[greenginger]

Strange assumption.

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Assumption ? I asked a question

[grunt]

You’re complaint seemed to be there was a cover up on the enquiry down south but full coverage of the enquiry up here.

It’s not exactly a difficult link to to ask if you would like the enquiry up here covered up too..Not difficult for you perhaps.

You have misjudged my "complaint".

[grunt]

Compel his pub landlord to testify, that should be testimony we can all relate to

They're not doing PPE corruption until 2025.

[greenginger]

Not difficult for you perhaps.

You have misjudged my "complaint".

Enlighten me . What was the meaning of your post .

[grunt]

Enlighten me . What was the meaning of your post .No. You're on ignore for a reason.

[Kato]

Assumption ? I asked a questionStrange question.

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[Hibrandenburg]

You’d rather have a cover up at the Scottish enquiry?

Where in heavens name did he say that? I hate this place sometimes.

[greenlex]

You’d rather have a cover up at the Scottish enquiry?
Very strange take. My take on the post was he would like to see both governments held up to the same scrutiny and publicity at a minimum. Possibly says a lot about your line of thought. In fact I’m not so sure possibly is needed there.

[Stairway 2 7]

That should have alarm bells ringing with the Met Police, he must think there “is” a chance he could be prosecuted for the deaths of people who were put in to care homes from hospital, he has already been caught lying when he said they have thrown a protective ring around care homes, which he hadn’t.

Get one up on charges and maybe we get a whistleblower that grasses the rest of them up.

Yep criminal neglect, although Scotland did the same thing regarding care homes. The lack of testing before sending them in was horrendous

[Bostonhibby]

They're not doing PPE corruption until 2025.[emoji106]

Probably best just to ask him why he thought it was a good idea to discharge all those unfortunate souls from hospitals into care homes for now then.

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[silverhibee]

Last week the inquiry discussed a Government email from January 2020 talking about the likelihood of asymptomatic transmission.
Yet Hancock told the press that the Government were never informed of asymptomatic transmission.

I wonder why this inquiry is receiving so little coverage in the news?

What is strange is that ITV are speaking about the Scottish Covid enquiry but not a dickey bird about the English one, why do the media protect these charlatans like Hancock Gove Johnson & Co.

[Moulin Yarns]

You’re complaint seemed to be there was a cover up on the enquiry down south but full coverage of the enquiry up here.

It’s not exactly a difficult link to to ask if you would like the enquiry up here covered up too..

Alternatively it would be nice if both enquiries were given the same coverage.

That's not too difficult to understand.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yep criminal neglect, although Scotland did the same thing regarding care homes. The lack of testing before sending them in was horrendous

That's when we were still on a '4 nation' approach, I think.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's when we were still on a '4 nation' approach, I think.

It was completely devolved. Jeane Freeman admitted scot gov made a mistake in emptying out the hospitals. She said they did it as they were worried about space in hospitals for am influx

There was never a blanket four nation approach we made separate decisions from the start and matched on others. We ended up with more excess deaths so although they were pretty much the same and similar to the rest of western Europe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56680666

A spokesperson for the Scottish Greens said it was "an absolute tragedy that so many people were fatally let down".

She added: "That so many families have lost a loved one due to systematic policy failures is an appalling reflection on the handling of this crisis.

"It's good that the Scottish government now seems to recognise that the way it handled this issue exacerbated the problem. But it has still failed to satisfactorily explain why it allowed so many potentially infectious people to be discharged to care homes."

[Moulin Yarns]

It was completely devolved. Jeane Freeman admitted scot gov made a mistake in emptying out the hospitals. She said they did it as they were worried about space in hospitals for am influx

There was never a blanket four nation approach we made separate decisions from the start and matched on others. We ended up with more excess deaths so although they were pretty much the same and similar to the rest of western Europe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56680666

A spokesperson for the Scottish Greens said it was "an absolute tragedy that so many people were fatally let down".

She added: "That so many families have lost a loved one due to systematic policy failures is an appalling reflection on the handling of this crisis.

"It's good that the Scottish government now seems to recognise that the way it handled this issue exacerbated the problem. But it has still failed to satisfactorily explain why it allowed so many potentially infectious people to be discharged to care homes."

Aye, but it was right at the beginning when all 4 Nations were doing the same things. It was later on when England were opening up and being cavalier about that the Scottish Government started doing things differently, or better.

[Stairway 2 7]

Aye, but it was right at the beginning when all 4 Nations were doing the same things. It was later on when England were opening up and being cavalier about that the Scottish Government started doing things differently, or better.

Health is devolved we had the choice to match or not any decision. If England did a decision that was dangerous Scotland has to shoulder the blame for copying it. The greens and the other parties correctly blame scot gov for they decisions and to be fair the SNP agree it was there decision. It was a terrible decision but Freeman says they thought they were doing best by freeing up space in hospitals, that was not the priority in hindsight

Scotland England and Wales locked down first on March 26th northern Ireland chose to on March 28th so they had the choice straight away

[Moulin Yarns]

Health is devolved we had the choice to match or not any decision. If England did a decision that was dangerous Scotland has to shoulder the blame for copying it. The greens and the other parties correctly blame scot gov for they decisions and to be fair the SNP agree it was there decision. It was a terrible decision but Freeman says they thought they were doing best by freeing up space in hospitals, that was not the priority in hindsight

Scotland England and Wales locked down first on March 26th northern Ireland chose to on March 28th so they had the choice straight away

I'll take your word about Northern Ireland but Scotland lockdown began on 23rd. I know this because that was the day I was supposed to start a holiday in Argyll. All through the first lockdown the phrase 4 nation approach ' was used all the time. Mistakes were made but they were the same mistakes in all 4 Nations until Boris decided to open everything up and that was the point that the 4 Nations diverged.


To be honest I don't know why it matters so much to you.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'll take your word about Northern Ireland but Scotland lockdown began on 23rd. I know this because that was the day I was supposed to start a holiday in Argyll. All through the first lockdown the phrase 4 nation approach ' was used all the time. Mistakes were made but they were the same mistakes in all 4 Nations until Boris decided to open everything up and that was the point that the 4 Nations diverged.


To be honest I don't know why it matters so much to you.

It was announced 23rd on TV started 26th. If boris was so cavalier what does it say about scot gov who ended up with the same excess deaths

Don't take my word for it, it's public
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-each-part-uk
England, Scotland and Wales introduced the first lockdown restrictions on 26 March 2020, and Northern Ireland on 28 March with only minor differences in their respective approaches

Why does any subject matter to anyone that discusses them on this forum. Of all the subjects we do talk about this is one of the ones that should matter to most, it cost thousands of lives, put thousands in hospital and still does now, jobs were lost, economy shattered, education suffered. It affected everybody. The wife's gran died of it in sheltered housing in Edinburgh although I wouldn't blame anyone apart from the bat or lab that caused this

[Moulin Yarns]

It was announced 23rd on TV started 26th. If boris was so cavalier what does it say about scot gov who ended up with the same excess deaths

Don't take my word for it, it's public
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-each-part-uk
England, Scotland and Wales introduced the first lockdown restrictions on 26 March 2020, and Northern Ireland on 28 March with only minor differences in their respective approaches

Why does any subject matter to anyone that discusses them on this forum. Of all the subjects we do talk about this is one of the ones that should matter to most, it cost thousands of lives, put thousands in hospital and still does now, jobs were lost, economy shattered, education suffered. It affected everybody. The wife's gran died of it in sheltered housing in Edinburgh although I wouldn't blame anyone apart from the bat or lab that caused this

Blah, blah.

https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/publications/variation-response-covid-19-across-four-nations-united-kingdom#:~:text=While%20economic%20support%20and%2 0public,containment%20policies%20since%20May%20202 0.


While economic support and public health measures have been similar across the four UK nations, and all four nations have been at a Stringency Index value of over 50 since March 2020, the different governments have diverged in their implementation of closure and containment policies since May 2020.

Stay-at-home orders: The first stay-at-home order from March 2020 ended in England and Northern Ireland on 3 May 2020, ending two weeks later in Scotland on 29 May, and Wales on 1 June. England and Wales required people to stay at home for several weeks in October and November of 2020 while Northern Ireland and Scotland did not. While Wales ordered a second national stay-at-home order on 20 December 2020, England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland didn’t introduce another legally enforceable national stay-at-home order until January 2021.

School closures: After the first round of restrictions in March 2020, England reopened some levels of schooling on 1 June 2020, followed by all levels in Wales on 29 June, while education remained closed in Scotland until 22 July, and in Northern Ireland on 24 August. Schools were closed in Scotland again on 26 December 2020, and in Wales on 14 December, followed by Northern Ireland on 4 January 2021, and England on 5 January 2021.

Circuit breakers’: Scotland was the only UK nation not to implement a national ‘circuit breaker’ style lockdown in October and November 2020.
Internal movement: All nations of the UK except for England have introduced distance restrictions on internal movement.

[Stairway 2 7]

Blah, blah.

https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/publications/variation-response-covid-19-across-four-nations-united-kingdom#:~:text=While%20economic%20support%20and%2 0public,containment%20policies%20since%20May%20202 0.


While economic support and public health measures have been similar across the four UK nations, and all four nations have been at a Stringency Index value of over 50 since March 2020, the different governments have diverged in their implementation of closure and containment policies since May 2020.

Stay-at-home orders: The first stay-at-home order from March 2020 ended in England and Northern Ireland on 3 May 2020, ending two weeks later in Scotland on 29 May, and Wales on 1 June. England and Wales required people to stay at home for several weeks in October and November of 2020 while Northern Ireland and Scotland did not. While Wales ordered a second national stay-at-home order on 20 December 2020, England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland didn’t introduce another legally enforceable national stay-at-home order until January 2021.

School closures: After the first round of restrictions in March 2020, England reopened some levels of schooling on 1 June 2020, followed by all levels in Wales on 29 June, while education remained closed in Scotland until 22 July, and in Northern Ireland on 24 August. Schools were closed in Scotland again on 26 December 2020, and in Wales on 14 December, followed by Northern Ireland on 4 January 2021, and England on 5 January 2021.

Circuit breakers’: Scotland was the only UK nation not to implement a national ‘circuit breaker’ style lockdown in October and November 2020.
Internal movement: All nations of the UK except for England have introduced distance restrictions on internal movement.

I don't know what you're saying blah blah to is it her gran 😆.

You've just copied a link and said nothing. Northern Ireland started later than us. Scotland chose which decisions to match and not so are responsible for each. Its not like the child payment where they mitigate a bad decision they literally didn't have to follow any.

The greens their coalition partners blame them for the decision to release the people from hospital into old peoples homes. Jeane Freeman takes the blame and says we are sorry but this is why we did it.

[Hibrandenburg]

I don't know what you're saying blah blah to is it her gran 😆.

You've just copied a link and said nothing. Northern Ireland started later than us. Scotland chose which decisions to match and not so are responsible for each. Its not like the child payment where they mitigate a bad decision they literally didn't have to follow any.

The greens their coalition partners blame them for the decision to release the people from hospital into old peoples homes. Jeane Freeman takes the blame and says we are sorry but this is why we did it.

They literally did have to follow some of Westminster's policy. The financing of furlough or support for businesses was fully dependent on Westminster loosening the purse strings springs to mind and also the ability to close our borders was also not an option until Westminster decided to do it.

[Stairway 2 7]

They literally did have to follow some of Westminster's policy. The financing of furlough or support for businesses was fully dependent on Westminster loosening the purse strings springs to mind and also the ability to close our borders was also not an option until Westminster decided to do it.

They literally did have to follow some stuff yes and literally didn't on others like releasing people from hospital into old folks homes, what we are having the conversation about.

There were a number of differences in strategies. We had an extra mini lockdown for Omicron that England didn't have. Omicron turned out to be milder and its hindsight England were correct.

We ended up doing the same as each other and the rest of western Europe. We've got vaccine developers from Oxford, Frankfurt and Massachusetts to thank for that not politicians, who had a very very hard job

[Hibrandenburg]

They literally did have to follow some stuff yes and literally didn't on others like releasing people from hospital into old folks homes, what we are having the conversation about.

There were a number of differences in strategies. We had an extra mini lockdown for Omicron that England didn't have. Omicron turned out to be milder and its hindsight England were correct.

We ended up doing the same as each other and the rest of western Europe. We've got vaccine developers from Oxford, Frankfurt and Massachusetts to thank for that not politicians, who had a very very hard job

Just pointing out that you said "any".

[Stairway 2 7]

Just pointing out that you said "any".

They could put in any mitigations they wanted at any time. Post furlough it would have to be funded by them. Furlough was only stopped post vaccine though in October 21.

I think the only time post this Scotland would have locked down further was Omicron. Thankfully the models were wrong and the deaths didn't come. We shouldn't have dismissed the south African doctors that were saying it was milder, perhaps a bit of western racism as they turned out to be correct

[grunt]

Message from Simon Case to Dom Cummings. One particularly fat head should roll for this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9sojcvWcAAS6bd?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Boris Johnson's ex- private secretary for public services Imran Shafi has notes from a March 2020 meeting between Johnson and Sunak. The top quote 'though [he] can't be sure' is most likely from the then-PM (Johnson), he says.

Quote: “We are killing the patient to tackle the tumour”

Quote: "Why are we destroying the economy for people who will die anyway soon?"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9s20TCXEAAzVt8?format=png&name=900x900

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1719013139155407098

BestForBritain
"Boris Johnson’s former principal private secretary says the reason why he turned on the disappearing message function just after the inquiry was announced wasn’t to hide messages.

How believable is that?"

[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1719013139155407098

BestForBritain
"Boris Johnson’s former principal private secretary says the reason why he turned on the disappearing message function just after the inquiry was announced wasn’t to hide messages.

How believable is that?"

Not much less believable than most of the stuff the PPS came out with today. The questioning KC had visibly lost patience with Reynolds's BS long before the end of his testimony.

[grunt]

Summary of today's events at the Covid Inquiry from the (usually lying) BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/health-67243378

[grunt]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-wanted-scrap-covid-31319472?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


Boris Johnson wanted to rush to scrap Covid restrictions as a distraction after it was revealed that Dominic Cummings had broken lockdown rules. The Mirror broke the story that the PM’s top aide had driven 264 miles from London to his parents’ property in Durham in March 2020 despite having coronavirus symptoms.

Diary notes written by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance, which were published by the Covid Inquiry today, reveal how Mr Johnson wanted to divert attention from the row. In an entry on May 25 - two days after the Mirror published its scoop - he warned that Mr Cummings’ trip was “clearly against the rules”.

He wrote: "PM seems very bullish and wants to have everything released sooner and more extremely than we would. Wants to divert from the DC (Dominic Cummings) fiasco. All very worrying. Cabinet all upbeat and 'breezy confidence' - incredibly alarming.”

Sir Patrick described in his notes how senior No10 officials had tried to "strong arm" him and Professor Sir Chris Whitty into appearing before the media as the row over the lockdown breach raged. But he said that they were “very reluctant” to do so as they believed it would “undermine our credibility”.

He described the press conference given by Mr Cummings in the Downing Street garden as he tried to defend himself as a "car crash" and "rambling". Mr Cummings admitted to journalists that during his time in Durham he had driven his family to Barnard Castle, a beauty spot 30 miles away. But he argued this was necessary to check his eyesight was good enough for the longer drive back to London.

In other notebook entries, Sir Patrick complained about Mr Johnson's chaotic leadership style. In July 2020 he wrote: "The ridiculous flip-flopping is getting worse - maybe as he recovers?" A couple of months later in September that year, he wrote: “He is all over the place and completely inconsistent. You can see why it was so difficult to get agreement to lockdown 1st time."So, on top of all this, it seems that Johnson was the reason for the delay in the initial lockdown.

Lock him up.

[Kato]

A BBC article on the Inquiry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67269780


No detail. Endless waffle and no actual reporting of what was said.

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[Stairway 2 7]

A BBC article on the Inquiry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67269780


No detail. Endless waffle and no actual reporting of what was said.

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Some of the WhatsApps have been great for showing these clowns up
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67262984

The UK's top civil servant told colleagues in private that Boris Johnson "cannot lead" at the height of the Covid pandemic.

In WhatsApp messages from September 2020 disclosed to the Covid inquiry, Simon Case said the former PM "changes strategic direction every day

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/rishi-sunak-dubbed-dr-death-in-covid-whatsapp-messages-12987761

Rishi Sunak dubbed 'Dr Death' in COVID WhatsApp messages
One of the government's chief scientific advisers made the remark about the then chancellor in September 2020 - shortly after the Eat Out to Help Out scheme was rolled out.

https://www.channel4.com/news/covid-inquiry-martin-reynolds-used-disappearing-messages-with-boris-johnson-on-whatsapp

Today’s main witness was Mr Johnson’s Principal Private Secretary Martin Reynolds. He was taken to task for setting messages to delete in a crucial Downing Street WhatsApp group just weeks before the inquiry was first announced.

[Kato]

Nice summing up by Dominic Cummings of his workmates.


https://twitter.com/mrdavemacleod/status/1719332938062373062?t=nOcWdC-JioaZj4HbefzBjQ&s=19

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[grunt]

Cummings has an astonishing belief in his own ability. Interesting discussion about how he worked to keep Scotland and Wales out of Covid decision making. Also how he filled the team with his friends and fellow weirdos - most of whom had never worked in Government before.

[lapsedhibee]

Cummings has an astonishing belief in his own ability. Interesting discussion about how he worked to keep Scotland and Wales out of Covid decision making. Also how he filled the team with his friends and fellow weirdos - most of whom had never worked in Government before.

He does seem quite confident. Also giving a good account of himself though, unlike the waste of space Party Marty yesterday.

[grunt]

Cummings heaving Hancock under a whole fleet of buses.

[grunt]

What a mess.

[SteveHFC]

Cummings heaving Hancock under a whole fleet of buses.

Hancock should be in jail.

[Stairway 2 7]

Paul Mainwood has a graph on covid excess mortality in Europe. Everyone did about the same. As he says watching the incompetents the only thing that matters vaccines we got right. Vaccines were nothing to do with the Tories it was the legends at Oxford. We got lucky betting on them. It could easily not have worked. France gambled on Sanofi, that easily could have and Oxford not. Still not sure how Sweeden did so good though as the graph shows. Scotland and England did about the same due to it all being about the vaccines and not the decisions as I believe Scotland tried to keep it lower, didn't work but its more admirable

https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1719355207614595107

PaulMainwood
Given the idiocy being revealed in the COVID enquiry, seems miraculous UK's death toll wasn't higher.
Suspect this only because in European context (i.e., no China-style lockdown) the only public policy that really moves death numbers is vaccine roll-out. And we got that right

Both these things appear to be dumb luck.
The virus' transmission could easily have been far more sensitive to public policy decisions.
And No.10 could easily have handed vaccine roll-out to one of the arrogant, overpromoted incompetents who appear to infest the place

[nonshinyfinish]

Vaccines were nothing to do with the Tories it was the legends at Oxford. We got lucky betting on them. It could easily not have worked. France gambled on Sanofi, that easily could have and Oxford not. Still not sure how Sweeden did so good though as the graph shows.

Don't know how relevant it is, but the 'Astra' in AstraZeneca was a Swedish pharma company and AZ still have a big presence in Sweden.

[grunt]

Helen MacNamara - hugely impressive. An insight into the strength of the UK Civil Service, and immensely frustrating that people with her skills, humanity and breadth of understanding were sidelined and made less effective by the incompetence of Cummings and Johnson.

[greenginger]

Paul Mainwood has a graph on covid excess mortality in Europe. Everyone did about the same. As he says watching the incompetents the only thing that matters vaccines we got right. Vaccines were nothing to do with the Tories it was the legends at Oxford. We got lucky betting on them. It could easily not have worked. France gambled on Sanofi, that easily could have and Oxford not. Still not sure how Sweeden did so good though as the graph shows. Scotland and England did about the same due to it all being about the vaccines and not the decisions as I believe Scotland tried to keep it lower, didn't work but its more admirable

https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1719355207614595107

PaulMainwood
Given the idiocy being revealed in the COVID enquiry, seems miraculous UK's death toll wasn't higher.
Suspect this only because in European context (i.e., no China-style lockdown) the only public policy that really moves death numbers is vaccine roll-out. And we got that right

Both these things appear to be dumb luck.
The virus' transmission could easily have been far more sensitive to public policy decisions.
And No.10 could easily have handed vaccine roll-out to one of the arrogant, overpromoted incompetents who appear to infest the place

You say the vaccines were nothing to do with the Government and we got lucky betting on Oxford.

Who bet on Oxford if not the Government ?

[Kato]

You say the vaccines were nothing to do with the Government and we got lucky betting on Oxford.

Who bet on Oxford if not the Government ?What if the Oxford vaccine didn't work?

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[lapsedhibee]

What if the Oxford vaccine didn't work?


Probably would have bought lots and lots of it and it'd be sitting in a warehouse now awaiting bids from Tory donors to destroy it.

[Stairway 2 7]

You say the vaccines were nothing to do with the Government and we got lucky betting on Oxford.

Who bet on Oxford if not the Government ?

They didn't bet on it due to any prior knowledge it would work, it was just the location. It easily could not have and Sanofi worked instead. We were at the back of the line for Sanofi, Moderna, GSK and others. Macron made a deal with French Sanofi and the US got access to Moderna first obviously.

Remember we basically told Oxford we wouldn't allow any to be exported until we got it first.

It was lucky for us ours worked, it could have been different easily and we'd be back of the queue for the others

[grunt]

None of those commenting on the inquiry seem to have picked up on MacNamara's reporting that Johnson vetoed her suggestion for including the Devolved Administrations (DAs) in the loop on Covid. She said that Gove would have calls with the DAs but the content of these calls was Gove telling them what No. 10 had decided. She mentions that Johnson's (lack of a) relationship with Sturgeon was behind his decision to keep them uninformed. So much for a "union of equals".

[grunt]

Also, the reason Johnson and No. 10 couldn't focus on the impending pandemic in January and February 2020? All their focus was on Brexit. Another Brexit benefit.

[grunt]

LOL. Missed this. Still, he got all the big decisions right.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F92dE_zXMAE2gNW?format=jpg&name=medium

[s.a.m]

They didn't bet on it due to any prior knowledge it would work, it was just the location. It easily could not have and Sanofi worked instead. We were at the back of the line for Sanofi, Moderna, GSK and others. Macron made a deal with French Sanofi and the US got access to Moderna first obviously.

Remember we basically told Oxford we wouldn't allow any to be exported until we got it first.

It was lucky for us ours worked, it could have been different easily and we'd be back of the queue for the others

Quite. As i remember, the government turned down the EU offer for us to buy into their covid vaccination scheme because they were putting all their eggs in the Oxford basket. Then when safety concerns were raised about young people and AZ, we were at the back of the queue for alternatives. They were more concerned with making political statements than objectively weighing up the options on a public health basis.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/jpxan71/status/1719809801520111689?t=gYs5WK1Z9Z0UfaoHhpo61w&s=19


Lying liar lies about old lies.

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[grunt]

From Cummings:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F92lkTbXgAE9pH4?format=png&name=900x900

[Bostonhibby]

Wonder what this sneaky little runt's criteria would have been?

Guess his pub landlord and his bit on the side at the time would have been okay? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231102/141aec7f6d5751044f70b72194720d32.jpg

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/396843557_6873467322710040_6346261622491481942_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ShkqflfpK9wAX8MxPYu&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfB2uRjqqrbMmJ6S7XuXzRyi7WZpfrg_n8s1eWyYznQ9 3A&oe=6547FF71

[Bostonhibby]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/396843557_6873467322710040_6346261622491481942_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ShkqflfpK9wAX8MxPYu&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfB2uRjqqrbMmJ6S7XuXzRyi7WZpfrg_n8s1eWyYznQ9 3A&oe=6547FF71[emoji16]

Guess which one of the two was elected Prime Minister.

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[lapsedhibee]

Nothing in the slightest bit surprising coming out of the inquiry so far, except the KCs constantly interrupting interrogees with instructions to s p e a k m o r e s l o w l y .

Do the recorders not have access to iPlayer, if they don't catch everything in real time?

Is it something to do with boosting tourism, getting foreigners to come to the UK and spend money seeing how things had to be done two or three hundred years ago? :dunno:

[Kato]

Nothing in the slightest bit surprising coming out of the enquiry so far, except the KCs constantly interrupting interrogees with instructions to s p e a k m o r e s l o w l y .

Do the recorders not have access to iPlayer, if they don't catch everything in real time?

Is it something to do with boosting tourism, getting foreigners to come to the UK and spend money seeing how things had to be done two or three hundred years ago? :dunno:What is coming out is The Brexit Gang, who managed to persuade the msm and the UK electorate that they were competent people who could lead the country are in fact (fact), useless, lying, psychopathic, mysoginistic, murderous, treacherous, racist, financially opportunistic idiots. So nothing surprising there, you're right.

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[grunt]

What is coming out is The Brexit Gang, who managed to persuade the msm and the UK electorate that they were competent people who could lead the country are in fact (fact), useless, lying, psychopathic, murderous, treacherous, racist, financially opportunistic idiots. So nothing surprising there, you're right.
:agree:

You missed misogynistic.

[Kato]

:agree:

You missed misogynistic.Edited

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[grunt]

Edited
:aok:

[grunt]

Today at the Covid inquiry, Patrick Vallance was asked about Scotland's handling of health data as part of the EAVE studies.

https://x.com/AamerAnwar/status/1726651586808799727?s=20


The Eave studies were run by Aziz Sheikh, from Scotland, and it was a very effective way of looking at electronic databases held in Scotland and health records to give early signals on things, so we got information from there.

Everything from rates in Scotland, early indications of changes, through to every important data on the vaccine efficacy, which led to multiple publications in top-tier international journals and was a continued source of helpful information into [the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage)] and to other bodies.

I think Scotland has done over the years a brilliant job of getting health records, both primary and secondary care health records, and linking them and that’s been a piece of work that was done a long time ago and it really came into its own to be able to provide very useful information.

I'm sure Kaye Adams will be all over this tomorrow.

[cabbageandribs1875]

just how dare he say that, how dare he

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/404886467_654147906913682_2316628434724972699_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=Ya-9t2oh18sAX_N0Nrz&_nc_oc=AQkIpgonM5aCkOpIDQfK62fbKhRYEdpjBHJe-2QBaL3fmQ6ciJMKi6b4ZW-6m6R4VLE&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfCdzr9ctDwkZD2dyoADMw9uHBswo1CrwIjff1cA5b3R-Q&oe=6561938F

[grunt]

Johnson lied in his witness statement to the Covid inquiry.
This is not exactly news, I'll grant you.

https://x.com/AdamBienkov/status/1727294101580870058?s=20

[McD]

Johnson lied in his witness statement to the Covid inquiry.
This is not exactly news, I'll grant you.

https://x.com/AdamBienkov/status/1727294101580870058?s=20



Is there any recourse that can be taken for this? In court he’d presumably be charged with contempt or something along those lines, genuinely don’t know if something similar exists for this situation

[JimBHibees]

just how dare he say that, how dare he

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/404886467_654147906913682_2316628434724972699_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=Ya-9t2oh18sAX_N0Nrz&_nc_oc=AQkIpgonM5aCkOpIDQfK62fbKhRYEdpjBHJe-2QBaL3fmQ6ciJMKi6b4ZW-6m6R4VLE&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfCdzr9ctDwkZD2dyoADMw9uHBswo1CrwIjff1cA5b3R-Q&oe=6561938F

Good to hear that

[Kato]

Is there any recourse that can be taken for this? In court he’d presumably be charged with contempt or something along those lines, genuinely don’t know if something similar exists for this situationPut him in House of Lords?

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[lapsedhibee]

Is there any recourse that can be taken for this? In court he’d presumably be charged with contempt or something along those lines, genuinely don’t know if something similar exists for this situation

If he hadn't flounced out of the HoC, he could have been sent for an early cup of tea. Or threatened with that, anyway.

[degenerated]

Today at the Covid inquiry, Patrick Vallance was asked about Scotland's handling of health data as part of the EAVE studies.

https://x.com/AamerAnwar/status/1726651586808799727?s=20



I'm sure Kaye Adams will be all over this tomorrow.Can hear it now :hilarious

"After claims about Scottish health service performance by England's chief medical officer why don't you call Kaye to tell us how much you hate the SNP"

[grunt]

Today at the Covid inquiry, chief slimy toad of the lying Tory party, Mr Slimy Gove, was impaled on a skewer by the Counsel for the Scottish Bereaved. Rather than the SG using the opportunity of Covid to make political capital, it was the lying Tories themselves, in a report authored by Gove and his cronies, which suggested that Covid presented the opportunity to display the "strength of the union". Counsel was not impressed.

https://x.com/AamerAnwar/status/1729534562051449257?s=20

[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1729516951829955031?t=GXZNuoSJyZKXTKLbRt9UIA&s=08

How anyone could vote for this twat is beyond my comprehension. Even then they were trying to look after their chums "sporting" interests.

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[grunt]

Boris Johnson confirmed as giving evidence to the Covid inquiry on Weds and Thurs next week. Both days - all day.

[MKHIBEE]

Boris Johnson confirmed as giving evidence to the Covid inquiry on Weds and Thurs next week. Both days - all day.

A 48 hour Lie-a-thon. Guess the number of lies told and win a prize. A weeks holiday on Mone’s yacht

[grunt]

Matt Hancock says he didn't bother to read minutes from SAGE at the start of the pandemic.

Hugo Keith: "Did anyone know that the Secretary for Health was not reading the minutes day in day out from the sole Scientific Advisory Committee on Emergencies?"

Hancock: "I don't know."

[Bostonhibby]

Matt Hancock says he didn't bother to read minutes from SAGE at the start of the pandemic.

Hugo Keith: "Did anyone know that the Secretary for Health was not reading the minutes day in day out from the sole Scientific Advisory Committee on Emergencies?"

Hancock: "I don't know."Too busy creeping about in corridors with his new bird and setting up PPE deals for his pub landlord to read papers he never had the brain to understand.

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[grunt]

So they KNEW at the time, that Sunak's Eat Out To Help Out scheme was causing an increase in Covid cases.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAMh7u5XAAAfvm7?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

So they KNEW at the time, that Sunak's Eat Out To Help Out scheme was causing an increase in Covid cases.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAMh7u5XAAAfvm7?format=jpg&name=mediumI knew and I wasn't a chancellor of the exchequer training to be a waiter, or a rule breaking health secretary or PM.



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[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAWhTliWsAA6MhN?format=jpg&name=medium

[Hiber-nation]

Sunak's performance today has been absolutely pitiful. Can't recall anything. He's toast.

[grunt]

Sunak's performance today has been absolutely pitiful. Can't recall anything. He's toast.

Here's a running thread of all the things the current Prime Minister cannot recall whilst under oath at the Covid Inquiry:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1734189700813132273.html

[grunt]

Sunak doesn't recall ... pretty much everything.

https://x.com/resophonick/status/1734844819158008297?s=20

[grunt]

Mordaunt taking aim at the top job.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/19/penny-mordaunt-boris-johnsons-messages-vanished-from-my-phone


Penny Mordaunt has told the Covid inquiry that a series of WhatsApp messages with Boris Johnson mysteriously disappeared from her phone, and that Johnson’s then chief of staff ignored 14 attempts by her to arrange a meeting to discuss the matter.

[Just Alf]

Visiting Scotland this week.

In other news, 30% of our staff are off with "flu" symptoms this week, a few have tested and they're positive for covid :-(

[greenginger]

Mordaunt taking aim at the top job.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/19/penny-mordaunt-boris-johnsons-messages-vanished-from-my-phone


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68032233

And all of Sturgeon’s and Swinney’s WhatsApp messages have been deleted, no surprise there.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68032233

And all of Sturgeon’s and Swinney’s WhatsApp messages have been deleted, no surprise there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68042064


All relevant messages given to inquiry.

[Just Alf]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68042064


All relevant messages given to inquiry.I've supported the NS position in the SNP thread, I do have to say the word 'relevant' is a wee issue..... was there not a bit of grief around the Westminster messages that Boris etc initially refused to only hand over what they thought was relevant thereby not allowing the enquiry to make that decision?

I should add, currently, I'm still of the view that NS acted correctly. (Until proved otherwise, I do realise others need NS etc to prove their innocence!)

[marinello59]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68042064


All relevant messages given to inquiry.

All messages that Sturgeon deemed relevant. Joan McAlpine summed her up perfectly.

[Pretty Boy]

Prof Woolhouse certainly not holding back in his criticism of Catherine Calderwood anyway.

[grunt]

Sturgeon's private messages are certainly revealing - of her views of Johnson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GErsocYXcAEVw_I?format=jpg&name=medium

[Hibrandenburg]

Sturgeon's private messages are certainly revealing - of her views of Johnson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GErsocYXcAEVw_I?format=jpg&name=medium

I wouldn't pay much attention to that, those are only transcripts, apparently you have to read it in the app or it's worthless.

[Stairway 2 7]

I wouldn't pay much attention to that, those are only transcripts, apparently you have to read it in the app or it's worthless.

They aren't transcripts Liz Lloyd didn't delete hers they are court made copies they said. Although Jason Leitch bragged about deleting his every night it was clear that Humza Yousaf and Kate Forbes didn't from the evidence handed in

Ps good on Sturgeon

[lapsedhibee]

I wouldn't pay much attention to that, those are only transcripts, apparently you have to read it in the app or it's worthless.

:greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

They aren't transcripts Liz Lloyd didn't delete hers they are court made copies they said. Although Jason Leitch bragged about deleting his every night it was clear that Humza Yousaf and Kate Forbes didn't from the evidence handed in

Ps good on Sturgeon

You need to Google the definition of transcript.

[Stairway 2 7]

You need to Google the definition of transcript.

The implication I assumed perhaps wrongly was a joke on Sturgeon not handing over WhatsApps. I meant this wasn't transcripts that Sturgeon handed in of her phone it's info from Liz Lloyd's.

We're getting quite a lot of info from the WhatsApps it's just disappointing it's from only a few peoples phones and none from Leitch's or NS's directly

[J-C]

The implication I assumed perhaps wrongly was a joke on Sturgeon not handing over WhatsApps. I meant this wasn't transcripts that Sturgeon handed in of her phone it's info from Liz Lloyd's.

We're getting quite a lot of info from the WhatsApps it's just disappointing it's from only a few peoples phones and none from Leitch's or NS's directly

Most of these WhatsApp messages are general personal stuff like Sturgeon calling Johnson a ****ing moron etc. I had a civil servant in the taxi the other day and she laughed saying most WhatsApp messages are about going for coffee personal nonsense, wasn't used for government business.

[Stairway 2 7]

Most of these WhatsApp messages are general personal stuff like Sturgeon calling Johnson a ****ing moron etc. I had a civil servant in the taxi the other day and she laughed saying most WhatsApp messages are about going for coffee personal nonsense, wasn't used for government business.

NS definitely talked policy. These were only entered due Liz Lloyd not deleting WhatsApps, not sure why this wasn't entered by NS

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[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68416525


Nothing to see here, other than another government systematically deleting whatsapp messages.

[grunt]

Johnson saying one thing in COBRA meeting and then saying something completely different in the press conference directly after.
Drakeford calmly fizzing.

https://x.com/BobHunterMD/status/1768297111253061849?s=20

[grunt]

Here's an insight into where £4.5 billion of the Test & Trace £37 billion went.
A crime of biblical proportions.

https://t.co/2xyVdoaD0Z

[grunt]

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/04/09/woman-arrested-in-fraud-investigation-linked-to-25m-vip-covid-ppe-deal-referred-by-conservative-minister/

Woman Arrested in Fraud Investigation Linked to £25m ‘VIP’ Covid PPE Deal Referred by Conservative Minister

[Moulin Yarns]

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/04/09/woman-arrested-in-fraud-investigation-linked-to-25m-vip-covid-ppe-deal-referred-by-conservative-minister/

Woman Arrested in Fraud Investigation Linked to £25m ‘VIP’ Covid PPE Deal Referred by Conservative Minister

Karen BROST

[CropleyWasGod]

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/04/09/woman-arrested-in-fraud-investigation-linked-to-25m-vip-covid-ppe-deal-referred-by-conservative-minister/

Woman Arrested in Fraud Investigation Linked to £25m ‘VIP’ Covid PPE Deal Referred by Conservative Minister

Interesting that she tried to have the company struck off from the Companies House register, but that request was suspended.

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https://bylinetimes.com/2025/04/11/matt-hancock-covid-ppe-vip/

Matt Hancock Intervened to Help Conservative Donor’s Pizza Firm Land Lucrative Covid PPE Contract

Two days before winning the contract, the company, which had no previous experience of supplying medical equipment, removed ‘pizza’ from its name.

[Jack]

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/04/11/matt-hancock-covid-ppe-vip/

Matt Hancock Intervened to Help Conservative Donor’s Pizza Firm Land Lucrative Covid PPE Contract

Two days before winning the contract, the company, which had no previous experience of supplying medical equipment, removed ‘pizza’ from its name.

They should have stuck to pizzas. At least they would have been eaten.

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[Bostonhibby]

I'm pretty confident that as soon as the enquiry is over we will move to the recovery of dishonestly obtained profits via back door arrangements like wee Matt and his pals ones, and the large scale stuff like Baroness Mone's.

There will be at least 50p recovered for the public purse and someone somewhere who used to be in charge of buying paperclips and elastic bands for Michael Gove and Lord Deighton will get a caution for agreeing to sign all this off.

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