Children stabbed in play park in France

[Stairway 2 7]

Absolutely brutal. 8 toddlers stabbed a number critical, 1 a UK national. It won't do the millions of normal good refugees any good, the fact that the **** is a Syrian refugee.

Heart goes out to the families, really praying they all make it through

[Mon Dieu4]

Such a shame, shows you aren't 100% safe anywhere, I've been to Annecy before and it's the last place you'd imagine something like that happening

[Keith_M]

Has there been any indication of what the motivation was for this attack?

[Hibrandenburg]

Has there been any indication of what the motivation was for this attack?

I read somewhere that he was refused asylum in France before getting it in Sweden. Apparently he's Christian as well, so that rules out him being a muslamic ray gun terrorist.

[Keith_M]

I read somewhere that he was refused asylum in France before getting it in Sweden. Apparently he's Christian as well, so that rules out him being a muslamic ray gun terrorist.


Seems a bit mad to do this, though, if he actually has been granted asylum in Sweden?

[makaveli1875]

Il never understand what makes someone want to murder people in cold blood like that. Especially children . Utter sicko

[He's here!]

I read somewhere that he was refused asylum in France before getting it in Sweden. Apparently he's Christian as well, so that rules out him being a muslamic ray gun terrorist.

France stabbing: Children attacked by knifeman in Annecy playground - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65841666)

Yes, 31-year-old Syrian granted refugee status in Sweden.

One of the children stabbed is a three-year-old British girl.

[grunt]

Yes, 31-year-old Syrian granted refugee status in Sweden.
Why is this relevant?

[Hibrandenburg]

France stabbing: Children attacked by knifeman in Annecy playground - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65841666)

Yes, 31-year-old Syrian granted refugee status in Sweden.

One of the children stabbed is a three-year-old British girl.

Stabbing kids is as abhorrent as it gets, just because one of the kids was a Brit doesn't make it more abhorrent.

[He's here!]

Why is this relevant?

Why wouldn't the attacker's identity be relevant? The police had just confirmed it in the story I linked to.

[He's here!]

Stabbing kids is as abhorrent as it gets, just because one of the kids was a Brit doesn't make it more abhorrent.

Strange reading of what I posted. Hardly abnormal to point it out when British folk are caught up in atrocities abroad - as it would be for French folk to make mention of it had a French girl been stabbed in a UK incident.

[lapsedhibee]

Strange reading of what I posted. Hardly abnormal to point it out when British folk are caught up in atrocities abroad - as it would be for French folk to make mention of it had a French girl been stabbed in a UK incident.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Stabbing kids is as abhorrent as it gets, just because one of the kids was a Brit doesn't make it more abhorrent.

Eh? It's relevant to British people. Of course its equally bad whatever the nationality that's just a given.

[Hibrandenburg]

Eh? It's relevant to British people. Of course its equally bad whatever the nationality that's just a given.

The point of emphasising that Brits are victims amongst any awful tragedy abroad has always been lost on me. Maybe that's just me but it feels like the point to it is to make already awful news somehow even more poignant. It can sometimes come across (maybe just to me) as sensationalism.

[Stairway 2 7]

The point of emphasising that Brits are victims amongst any awful tragedy abroad has always been lost on me. Maybe that's just me but it feels like the point to it is to make already awful news somehow even more poignant. It can sometimes come across (maybe just to me) as sensationalism.

Nonsense imo every nation or group does it rightly. The Dutch are still hurting from their civilians dying on the Malaysian Airlines flight, Australians from the bali bombing ect. People die in jet ski's all the time but there was increased sadness from me when a hibby died in Trinidad on one, even though I didn't know him.

Same goes for terrorist attacks happening in the uk being more pertinent to us over ones thousands of miles away. It doesn't make you not care about other incidents.

The evening news is full of Edinburgh person does this or that abroad, I'm sure every paper in the world is the same

[grunt]

Why wouldn't the attacker's identity be relevant? The police had just confirmed it in the story I linked to.
It's not his identity though, is it? The BBC - and you, by repeating it - are making a political point about immigration. "See, we told you immigrants were no good". You have no idea whether the fact that he is an immigrant is relevant to the attack.

[He's here!]

It's not his identity though, is it? The BBC - and you, by repeating it - are making a political point about immigration. "See, we told you immigrants were no good". You have no idea whether the fact that he is an immigrant is relevant to the attack.

If you read the article you will see it is the police who have released the statement about who the attacker was. Standard procedure surely rather than political point scoring.

[He's here!]

The point of emphasising that Brits are victims amongst any awful tragedy abroad has always been lost on me. Maybe that's just me but it feels like the point to it is to make already awful news somehow even more poignant. It can sometimes come across (maybe just to me) as sensationalism.

It's hardly unique to 'Brits':

Dutch child among victims of Annecy stabbing - DutchNews.nl (https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/06/dutch-child-among-victims-of-annecy-stabbing/)

Nothing to do with sensationalism. The media of pretty much any country in the world will pick up on that sort of angle, understandably so.

[grunt]

If you read the article you will see it is the police who have released the statement about who the attacker was. Standard procedure surely rather than political point scoring.
If you mean that highlighting the ethnic background of the attacker is standard procedure then I'd agree with you. That doesn't mean it's not political point scoring.

[Keith_M]

I read somewhere that he was refused asylum in France before getting it in Sweden. Apparently he's Christian as well, so that rules out him being a muslamic ray gun terrorist.


Yeah, been confirmed by French police.


To me his religion and nationality are irrelevant, the guy was clearly a nut job.

[He's here!]

Yeah, been confirmed by French police.


To me his religion and nationality are irrelevant, the guy was clearly a nut job.

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his background, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour. Hence the reason such details get released to the media. If every would-be murderer/assassin/terrorist was regarded as simply 'a nut job' and background info deemed irrelevant it would make the job of the security forces/counter-intelligence pretty challenging. Tiptoeing around the fact this bloke had been granted refugee status makes no sense.

[grunt]

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his background, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour. Hence the reason such details get released to the media. If every would-be murderer/assassin/terrorist was regarded as simply 'a nut job' and background info deemed irrelevant it would make the job of the security forces/counter-intelligence pretty challenging. Tiptoeing around the fact this bloke had been granted refugee status makes no sense.
Rubbish.

You might as well say:

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his breakfast, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour.

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his parents, or a grievance relating to them, shaped his behaviour.

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his job, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour.

You know nothing about his background but you're immediately raising xenophobic issues which will have an impact on how people act towards immigrants in future. Perhaps we should let the authorities do their investigation before "wondering" about what caused his behaviour.

[He's here!]

26865

Was the apocryphal headline not meant to have been something like: 'North-east man missing at sea'?

[He's here!]

Rubbish.

You might as well say:

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his breakfast, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour.

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his parents, or a grievance relating to them, shaped his behaviour.

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his job, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour.

You know nothing about his background but you're immediately raising xenophobic issues which will have an impact on how people act towards immigrants in future. Perhaps we should let the authorities do their investigation before "wondering" about what caused his behaviour.

It's human nature to wonder what would prompt somebody to commit such an atrocity. The facts released by the authorities so far (granted refugee status in Sweden after a claim for asylum in France was refused, abandoned his wife and son there last year and has reportedly been living as a homeless person in Annecy since then) point towards a downward trajectory in his mental state, the roots of which may (understandably) lie in his having to leave war-torn Syria. There's nothing 'xenophobic' about that thought process and I'm not 'raising' anything that hasn't been made widely available for public consumption.

[CropleyWasGod]

26865

Welcome back :aok:

[Keith_M]

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his background, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour. Hence the reason such details get released to the media. If every would-be murderer/assassin/terrorist was regarded as simply 'a nut job' and background info deemed irrelevant it would make the job of the security forces/counter-intelligence pretty challenging. Tiptoeing around the fact this bloke had been granted refugee status makes no sense.


I think you've misinterpreted my post as one intended to take a side in the ongoing argument. I was merely stating my view on what really matters here, the insane attacks on innocent children.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65860077

Brave bloke.

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65860077

Brave bloke.Agreed.

[lapsedhibee]

Was the apocryphal headline not meant to have been something like: 'North-east man missing at sea'?
Yes it is.


Welcome back :aok:
:aok:

[Scouse Hibee]

Rubbish.

You might as well say:

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his breakfast, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour.

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his parents, or a grievance relating to them, shaped his behaviour.

It's not unreasonable to wonder whether his job, or a grievance relating to it, shaped his behaviour.

You know nothing about his background but you're immediately raising xenophobic issues which will have an impact on how people act towards immigrants in future. Perhaps we should let the authorities do their investigation before "wondering" about what caused his behaviour.

Your first word pretty much summed up the rest of your post.

[grunt]

Your first word pretty much summed up the rest of your post.Very witty. Care to explain why?

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65874063

Another horrendous incident.

[Keith_M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65874063

Another horrendous incident.


Oh for goodness sake.

Why the hell would anybody do something like that?

[Hibrandenburg]

Oh for goodness sake.

Why the hell would anybody do something like that?

Deranged. There's lots of clinical issues that can make people lose their mind, some of them instantly and some of them over an extended period of time, some of them caused by a chemical imbalance and others physical damage.

I came across many people in a previous job who were living in cloud cuckoo land and who had lost any sense of reality.