11 V 10- Braindead Performance

[LaMotta]

Absolutely braindead performances from Henderson, Cabraja and Campbell when we had an extra man.

How can professional footballers be so stupid?

Floating hopeful balls to areas, giving away needless fouls. Management team culpable that they dont know the basics.

[The Tubs]

We have to add Youan and McKirdy to that list too. They tried to run with everything in the very situation which requires sharp passing.

[Since452]

Poor football IQ. The manager said it and it was evident today.

[easty]

All 5 players mentioned on this thread were *****.

Youan the only one with credit in the bank.

I dunno who’s told Henderson that whenever he gets the ball he has to try a killer pass? Pull your head oot your arse, know your limitations and keep it simple.

Based on absolutely nothing I had high hopes for McKirdy to make an impact, he’s no a player for this level though.

Cabraja and Campbell delivered exactly what I expected from them.

[madhatter]

Cabraja, Campbell and Henderson are probably in my top 5 for getting rid ASAP.

Shocking standard of play from all 3 in a vital game.

Still yet to see Campbell run with the ball at his feet. Technically so poor.

Newell would also be high on my list. Rarely influences games. Too busy taking 25 touches and doing little twirls.

[LaMotta]

We have to add Youan and McKirdy to that list too. They tried to run with everything in the very situation which requires sharp passing.


Poor football IQ. The manager said it and it was evident today.


All 5 players mentioned on this thread were *****.

Youan the only one with credit in the bank.

I dunno who’s told Henderson that whenever he gets the ball he has to try a killer pass? Pull your head oot your arse, know your limitations and keep it simple.

Based on absolutely nothing I had high hopes for McKirdy to make an impact, he’s no a player for this level though.

Cabraja and Campbell delivered exactly what I expected from them.

:agree::agree::agree:

McKirdy's shot at the end was ridiculous. Youan also has a poor footballing IQ, he can get away with it to an extent due to his ability to make something happen out of nothing.

But infuriating decision making has cost us massively.

[S4uzee]

Absolutely braindead performances from Henderson, Cabraja and Campbell when we had an extra man.

How can professional footballers be so stupid?

Floating hopeful balls to areas, giving away needless fouls. Management team culpable that they dont know the basics.

Agreed and no better word for it. Brain dead and useless footballers. Campbell often looks like he’s feigning injury or wants to be injured

[Waxy]

I’m sure our DoF was watching.

[Nicho87]

Time to be completely ruthless, terminate, sell, loan out the players on these ridiculous contracts

Who on earth gave Henderson and mckirdy their deals, should give up their role if still here.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Agreed and no better word for it. Brain dead and useless footballers. Campbell often looks like he’s feigning injury or wants to be injured

What a ridiculous comment:confused:

[GreenGray]

A semi competent team wins that game. So frustrating


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[Pretty Boy]

For the last 10 minutes of the 1at half we used our man advantage well.

The 2nd half we played in way that a team playing with 11 v 10 could only dream off. Made it so, so easy for them.

[Vault Boy]

I’ve openly criticised Lee Johnson at various points of the season, but I don’t put a lot of blame on him for that crap display today. We lost three key performers to injury in Miller, JDH, and Cadden, and every forced sub only made us weaker and more lop sided.

Should have probably moved McKirdy out to wide right, but there’s nothing to say he’d have actually done anything there.

[JimBHibees]

Agreed and no better word for it. Brain dead and useless footballers. Campbell often looks like he’s feigning injury or wants to be injured

Looks to me like he is playing through injury at the moment rather than wanting to be injured. The guy has been excellent this season though has dropped off recently hence why I am speculating he may be carrying an injury so maybe not fully at it physically.

[vercol36]

Agree in principle, but don’t know why Youan’s name is being mentioned. I really liked him, and appreciated his gameplay yesterday. Always looking to have a go, something we’ve sorely missed

[JimBHibees]

I’ve openly criticised Lee Johnson at various points of the season, but I don’t put a lot of blame on him for that crap display today. We lost three key performers to injury in Miller, JDH, and Cadden, and every forced sub only made us weaker and more lop sided.

Should have probably moved McKirdy out to wide right, but there’s nothing to say he’d have actually done anything there.

Agree to an extent no doubt the injuries didn't help us especially Cadden and JDH after subbing Jeggo. Looked like the shape completely lost and looked like we had no width. Think he should have moved things about e.g Youan middle as you say Harry wide. Made it easy for Hearts for sure and lumping high balls into the box or trying miracle passes wasn't likely to work. Our ball possession and accuracy of passing was pretty poor all game imo but got progressively worse the longer it went. Lack of quality and composure shown.

[JimBHibees]

For the last 10 minutes of the 1at half we used our man advantage well.

The 2nd half we played in way that a team playing with 11 v 10 could only dream off. Made it so, so easy for them.

Yep looked like shape completely went second half not helped by injuries but we played so central and didn't have enough out wide. McKirdy and Henderson wouldn't have been immediate half time subs imo.

[skyehibee]

If it was Johnson who decided to start launching the long ball with 15 plus mins to go then he’s entirely at fault. That was playing right into hearts hands, we had to pass it around more tire them out and wait for the right moment but there was so much panic so unsure if that was ultimately the players being not good enough/at fault. Either way those tactics were poor.

[NC1875]

Agree in principle, but don’t know why Youan’s name is being mentioned. I really liked him, and appreciated his gameplay yesterday. Always looking to have a go, something we’ve sorely missed

Youan was terrible yesterday. Picked the wrong option constantly but as someone else said, he has credit in the bank for his recent performances.

Campbell, Henderson, McKirdy, Cabraja, Newell. 👋🏽

[Jones28]

Hearts sitting on the edge of their penalty box and playing a back 7 made it very difficult for us, but we should have had the brains to work it out. McKirdy shooting instead of playing it to Fish in injury time summed up the second half.

[easty]

If it was Johnson who decided to start launching the long ball with 15 plus mins to go then he’s entirely at fault. That was playing right into hearts hands, we had to pass it around more tire them out and wait for the right moment but there was so much panic so unsure if that was ultimately the players being not good enough/at fault. Either way those tactics were poor.

I think we did pass it about a bit before firing it in. Passing it about more wouldn’t have brought them out, they didn’t need to win. They’d have stayed where they were and let us pass it about.

Hearts were deep, 10 players back behind the ball, small pitch, there was barely any space for us to play any other way. Not without a Scott Allan type in there to be able to thread a killer pass.

I was surprised when Hoppe was left on the bench for Devlin to get thrown up front, but looking back on the decision, it made sense. We already had Nisbet and McKirdy up there not getting a sniff, so what would be the point of Hoppe? At least Devlin, in theory, could provide an aerial threat.

Disappointing overall, but we didn’t have the players to make a change to the “baw into the box” style we played. Youan just wasn’t at it, and that left us nowt.

[Gmack7]

Henderson getting hooked was the right decision as he was horrific, but bringing on a centre half to play up front when we have a centre forward on the beach was baffling. Mckirdy is unfortunately crap

[Donegal Hibby]

Henderson getting hooked was the right decision as he was horrific, but bringing on a centre half to play up front when we have a centre forward on the beach was baffling. Mckirdy is unfortunately crap
A centre half coming on to play up front isn't uncommon in football as to why he was picked over a centre forward maybe it was because they felt Devlin was more of a aerial threat than Hoppe . Hoppe hasn't really impressed me much tbh .

[S4uzee]

A centre half coming on to play up front isn't uncommon in football as to why he was picked over a centre forward maybe it was because they felt Devlin was more of a aerial threat than Hoppe . Hoppe hasn't really impressed me much tbh .

It was another stupid decision from Johnson. If bringing on a CB up top then why not Rocky

[easty]

It was another stupid decision from Johnson. If bringing on a CB up top then why not Rocky

Why would Rocky be a better option up front than Devlin??

Has Rocky ever scored a goal?

[Donegal Hibby]

It was another stupid decision from Johnson. If bringing on a CB up top then why not Rocky
Don't think it was a stupid decision by the LJ tbh . Why should it have been rocky?

[B.H.F.C]

It was another stupid decision from Johnson. If bringing on a CB up top then why not Rocky

All the subs were dreadful but that was more to do with the quality of player than anything else. I didn’t get the Devlin one though. Should have put the striker on that was on the bench.

[Hiber-nation]

All the subs were dreadful but that was more to do with the quality of player than anything else. I didn’t get the Devlin one though. Should have put the striker on that was on the bench.

Hoppe is rubbish but it should have been him. We thought LJ had got caught up in everything and put the wrong man on.

[Donegal Hibby]

There's a player I've watched at different club's over the years called ' Aden Flint ' he's a centre half and in quite a few games wither the team's been behind or just needing a win he's been moved upfront to play as a striker and at 6 foot 6 he's scored a fair few goals too .

What we done yesterday by putting Devlin upfront late on was just us putting on a centre half that's good in the air in the hope he scores or wins a flick on for some else . The striker didn't come on imo because I don't think he's has good as Devlin in the air .

It actually made sense to me why we put Devlin upfront late on . I see other teams doing it and I don't think it was a rubbish decision or we put on the wrong player either.

[easty]

There's a player I've watched at different club's over the years called ' Aden Flint ' he's a centre half and in quite a few games wither the team's been behind or just needing a win he's been moved upfront to play as a striker and at 6 foot 6 he's scored a fair few goals too .

What we done yesterday by putting Devlin upfront late on was just us putting on a centre half that's good in the air in the hope he scores or wins a flick on for some else . The striker didn't come on imo because I don't think he's has good as Devlin in the air .

It actually made sense to me why we put Devlin upfront late on . I see other teams doing it and I don't think it was a rubbish decision or we put on the wrong player either.

It was the right idea based on the fact that way we were playing, lots of balls into the box, which was due to Hearts being so deep and Hibs lacking a creative attacking midfielder.

Hoppe would've been lucky to get a touch of the ball, and having Hoppe, Mckirdy and Nisbet all in the same space looking for ball to feet wouldn't have helped us at all.

[Donegal Hibby]

It was the right idea based on the fact that way we were playing, lots of balls into the box, which was due to Hearts being so deep and Hibs lacking a creative attacking midfielder.

Hoppe would've been lucky to get a touch of the ball, and having Hoppe, Mckirdy and Nisbet all in the same space looking for ball to feet wouldn't have helped us at all.
I agree , with the amount of balls into the box hoppe wasn't the answer . I think Devlin was probably our best option that was available to us in fairness. Your right about the creative attacking midfielder btw , we are badly in need of one as we've seen many times this season.

[NAE NOOKIE]

What gets you to the top level in football involves a few factors. skill and technical ability obviously, but allied to that is the aforementioned football intelligence. That IMO is why we have the players we do, not just us, but most clubs below the very top level. You can coach a player to death, you can turn him into a magnificent physical specimen who can run all day ... what you can't do is give him an ability to make the right decision as often as he should.

I even see it at my walking football club .... the number of times I stand scratching my head as the guy in possession passes it to a guy marked by two men as he fails to look to his right or left and see me standing in yards of space, it absolutely does yer head in at that level .... I can only imagine LJ's frustration as guys paid decent money to play the game make poor decisions on the ball.

[LaMotta]

So 6 months on from being so brainless against 10 men v Hearts - here we are again with a team that had no idea how to play against 10 men.

We had 22 minutes yesterday with the extra man yet we never used the full width of the pitch once, pondered on the ball far too long rather than making quick passes and just crowded everyone in the box before chipping balls into a crowded area.

It was exactly what Aberdeen would have wanted Hibs to play like. :boo hoo:

[He's here!]

What gets you to the top level in football involves a few factors. skill and technical ability obviously, but allied to that is the aforementioned football intelligence. That IMO is why we have the players we do, not just us, but most clubs below the very top level. You can coach a player to death, you can turn him into a magnificent physical specimen who can run all day ... what you can't do is give him an ability to make the right decision as often as he should.

I even see it at my walking football club .... the number of times I stand scratching my head as the guy in possession passes it to a guy marked by two men as he fails to look to his right or left and see me standing in yards of space, it absolutely does yer head in at that level .... I can only imagine LJ's frustration as guys paid decent money to play the game make poor decisions on the ball.

I went to an event a few years ago where Michael O'Neill was the guest speaker. He was at the peak of his success as NI manager and was asked about tactics. He said the average footballer can only retain a certain amount of tactical info and that for that reason it's pointless making a team talk more than 4 minutes long because any longer and you will lose a lot of the players.

There are obviously a number of footballers (O'Neill among them) who combine academic intelligence with a clever football brain (I recall Pat Stanton saying O'Neil was a rarity as a winger in that he had a lot between the ears!) but the sorry truth is that most players aren't the brightest - not just because they didn't do well at school, but because they're only interested in kicking a ball and don't combine that with developing a footballing intelligence. As you say, the ones who make it to the top combine talent with a willingness/ability to learn about making the right decisions. Most of those below that level will just continue to make the same old mistakes.

[H18 SFR]

I went to an event a few years ago where Michael O'Neill was the guest speaker. He was at the peak of his success as NI manager and was asked about tactics. He said the average footballer can only retain a certain amount of tactical info and that for that reason it's pointless making a team talk more than 4 minutes long because any longer and you will lose a lot of the players.

There are obviously a number of footballers (O'Neill among them) who combine academic intelligence with a clever football brain (I recall Pat Stanton saying O'Neil was a rarity as a winger in that he had a lot between the ears!) but the sorry truth is that most players aren't the brightest - not just because they didn't go well at school, but because they're only interested in kicking a ball and don't bombing that with developing a footballing intelligence. As you say, the ones who make it to the top combine talent with a willingness/ability to learn about making the right decisions. Most of those below that level will just continue to make the same old mistakes.

As an educator, I’ve never understood why clubs in the pro youth setup only develop players on the training pitch and don’t do regular teaching / coaching inputs in a classroom.

I spoke to Donald Park about this probably 15 years ago and he said it became about behaviour management rather than teaching / coaching and learning.

[B.H.F.C]

So 6 months on from being so brainless against 10 men v Hearts - here we are again with a team that had no idea how to play against 10 men.

We had 22 minutes yesterday with the extra man yet we never used the full width of the pitch once, pondered on the ball far too long rather than making quick passes and just crowded everyone in the box before chipping balls into a crowded area.

It was exactly what Aberdeen would have wanted Hibs to play like. :boo hoo:

For the first minute or so after the red card I thought we were going to do what we should. Was never going to be easy to break them down because in terms of a defensive shape it didn’t actually change too much from how they’d been set up anyway. But Levitt and Newell just went and got the ball and kept it moving side to side. Then the crowd had a right good moan about not moving it quickly enough, we tried to force it, lost it and that was about the last time we tried passing the ball. As soon as the goal went in our heads just went.

[LaMotta]

For the first minute or so after the red card I thought we were going to do what we should. Was never going to be easy to break them down because in terms of a defensive shape it didn’t actually change too much from how they’d been set up anyway. But Levitt and Newell just went and got the ball and kept it moving side to side. Then the crowd had a right good moan about not moving it quickly enough, we tried to force it, lost it and that was about the last time we tried passing the ball. As soon as the goal went in our heads just went.

Levitt twice chipped floated balls into the keepers arms. At one point Campbell took a wild swing a the ball 25 yards out rather than getting it down and using the extra man. So so bad.

[Broken Gnome]

For the first minute or so after the red card I thought we were going to do what we should. Was never going to be easy to break them down because in terms of a defensive shape it didn’t actually change too much from how they’d been set up anyway. But Levitt and Newell just went and got the ball and kept it moving side to side. Then the crowd had a right good moan about not moving it quickly enough, we tried to force it, lost it and that was about the last time we tried passing the ball. As soon as the goal went in our heads just went.

Absolutely spot on. We didn't have 15 minutes to win it, we had 45 and should've just kept doing what we were doing.

Within five minutes were 1-0 down, we're panicking, we have a far inferior set of players than started the game, and we're gifting Roos the chance to lie down and take 30 seconds to clear the ball. Disastrous state of affairs.

[B.H.F.C]

Levitt twice chipped floated balls into the keepers arms. At one point Campbell took a wild swing a the ball 25 yards out rather than getting it down and using the extra man. So so bad.

No idea what Levitt was trying to do if it’s the same one I’m thinking about. He put the Aberdeen player on his arse and had all the time in the world to get a shot away. Newell has one in the edge of the box where it opened up but instead of shooting he played it in to Doidge who tried a daft flick. So many bad decisions made. Same players doing the same type of things in the same type of games

[Heisenberg]

Levitt twice chipped floated balls into the keepers arms. At one point Campbell took a wild swing a the ball 25 yards out rather than getting it down and using the extra man. So so bad.

I’d somehow forgotten just how bad Campbell was when he came on.

[LewysGot2]

As an educator, I’ve never understood why clubs in the pro youth setup only develop players on the training pitch and don’t do regular teaching / coaching inputs in a classroom.

I spoke to Donald Park about this probably 15 years ago and he said it became about behaviour management rather than teaching / coaching and learning.

What does Sean McPartlin do? I thought he, as a retired DHT, oversaw the education programme and the tie in with Edinburgh College?

[H18 SFR]

What does Sean McPartlin do? I thought he, as a retired DHT, oversaw the education programme and the tie in with Edinburgh College?

It’s my understanding he gets the lads SQA qualifications.

[Smartie]

I got the feeling that rather than not knowing what we needed to do our heads went, we lost our composure entirely and that led to the mistakes mentioned above.

[JimBHibees]

I got the feeling that rather than not knowing what we needed to do our heads went, we lost our composure entirely and that led to the mistakes mentioned above.

Looked like we panicked after the goal went in which obviously boosted them. Lack of composure and patience ended up with punts from poor angles making it easy for their defence and goalie. Poor stuff thought Doidge should have done better with his header.

Was actually brilliant play by Levitt thought he would have shot but played in cross to goalie.