Clancy

[h1bs4life]

Perfect example of referee’s mentality when handling one of the old firm.
I have sent off a Celtic player so I must even it up 1st chance I get.
Fortunately VAR intervened and red changed to yellow

[bingo70]

I thought it was a terrible tackle and a red card all day long, couldn’t believe it got overturned. Shows what I know 😂

[neil7908]

Shows the good VAR can do but also how ingrained the OF bias is in our officials.

Var gets so much hate but it's just a tool to make better decisions. If it doesn't work then we need to look at those using it, not VAR.

If anything it just helps to expose how bad and bias our refs are. I expect it will help to bring about a slow and steady change - it just won't happen overnight as we are talking a fundamental shift in attitude that is embedded in our officials, both on and off the pitch.

[givescotlandfreedom]

He's an absolute clown. Can't believe Celtic's 2nd wasn't disallowed for the handball right in front of me - apart from it being against one of the arse cheeks. Then the reluctance to send off Maeda and immediately sending off JDH.
The 11 minutes was just hilarious.

[JohnM1875]

I thought it was a terrible tackle and a red card all day long, couldn’t believe it got overturned. Shows what I know 😂

I actually think they should be red cards but it's a 'professional foul' and only deemed worthy of a yellow.

Before VAR Lundstrum got sent off at ER for a similar one, which then got overturned. So right decision tonight I reckon.

[#2 Double Tap]

Perfect example of referee’s mentality when handling one of the old firm.
I have sent off a Celtic player so I must even it up 1st chance I get.
Fortunately VAR intervened and red changed to yellow

if he shows the red var can check it, if he just gave a yellow pretty sure var is not allowed to get involved....could be wrong tho....

so flashing the red then getting to have a look at it, makes sense.....he can then make sure he is making the correct decision.

[1875Sean]

Shows the good VAR can do but also how ingrained the OF bias is in our officials.

Var gets so much hate but it's just a tool to make better decisions. If it doesn't work then we need to look at those using it, not VAR.

If anything it just helps to expose how bad and bias our refs are. I expect it will help to bring about a slow and steady change - it just won't happen overnight as we are talking a fundamental shift in attitude that is embedded in our officials, both on and off the pitch.

Var looks at the hand ball in the build up to Celtics second goal
and did nothing, fair play for them over turning the yelllow but wasn’t all good

[cameronw-hfc]

I thought it was a terrible tackle and a red card all day long, couldn’t believe it got overturned. Shows what I know 😂

The replay actually looks like its completely accidental. He almost falls on the celtic boys trailing leg

[Stewboy]

Maeda dodged a few bullets after 1st yellow, could have walked earlier

I thought it was a yellow for us rather than red, all got a bit excitable 2 or 3 minutes after their red card

[Hibbyradge]

Perfect example of referee’s mentality when handling one of the old firm.
I have sent off a Celtic player so I must even it up 1st chance I get.
Fortunately VAR intervened and red changed to yellow

It was a terrible tackle and I can see why the ref saw it as a red. I know it suits the victim conspiracy theorists to say it was corrupt or biased, but it was an understandable decision.

[hibee_girl]

Maeda dodged a few bullets after 1st yellow, could have walked earlier

I thought it was a yellow for us rather than red, all got a bit excitable 2 or 3 minutes after their red card

He should have been off long before he was eventually sent off.

Thought JDH was a yellow straight away.

[Pretty Boy]

I thought it was a terrible tackle and a red card all day long, couldn’t believe it got overturned. Shows what I know 😂

Same.

I said on the match thread it was an idiotic tackle and I stand by that. I get why he felt the need to foul but a wee clip of the heels from behind would have done. There was no need to put in the challenge he did.

In saying that I don't think the red would have been out anywhere near as quickly had it been a Celtic player. Maeda was sent off for his 5th foul after being booked.

[Mikey_1875]

Similar to LJ I can actually understand the red shown to JDH as I thought it looked bad. The worst example I thought was Nisbet’s booking straight after Maeda. Maeda had already had a bad challenge on Miller but Nisbet is booked straight away for a soft one.

On Clancy I will say when he is walking back on the pitch to overturn the red why is he taking an age to show the crowd his decision like he is building suspense. A lot of our refs are terrible for this and need to remember they aren’t the main attraction they think they are.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Hmm, I’m amazed anyone thinks it’s a terrible tackle. After seeing replays it’s 100% a breaking up play foul. Yellow card all day long, which I thought at the time too. Referee very very quick to get the card out.


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[Skol]

Hmm, I’m amazed anyone thinks it’s a terrible tackle. After seeing replays it’s 100% a breaking up play foul. Yellow card all day long, which I thought at the time too. Referee very very quick to get the card out.


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I agree with that. Definite yellow but if you think that’s a red you are watching the wrong sport.

Might regret that when I see the highlights shortly though.

[Hibee Mac]

Perfect example of referee’s mentality when handling one of the old firm.
I have sent off a Celtic player so I must even it up 1st chance I get.
Fortunately VAR intervened and red changed to yellowYou're absolutely bang on with your assessment. It's absolutely ingrained in our referees. Whether it's unconscious bias / corruption call it what you want it happens

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[Carheenlea]

Didn’t look great from my angle but the players reactions are always telling for me. The protestations suggested it wasn’t as bad as it initially looked and the reality according to LJ was of a standard professional foul. (Albeit I’ve not seen footage of it since)

[matty_f]

if he shows the red var can check it, if he just gave a yellow pretty sure var is not allowed to get involved....could be wrong tho....

so flashing the red then getting to have a look at it, makes sense.....he can then make sure he is making the correct decision.

That's wrong, if he'd shown a yellow and VAR thought it should have been red, it can intervene. See Killie's red card at Easter Rd earlier in the season add an example. Referee initially booked him, VAR intervened and the decision was changed to a red card.

On Clancy though, he's hopeless, an absolutely terrible referee.

[matty_f]

I agree with that. Definite yellow but if you think that’s a red you are watching the wrong sport.

Might regret that when I see the highlights shortly though.

It's a yellow all day long. :agree:

[RyeSloan]

It's a yellow all day long. :agree:

Yeah, thought he went studs up through the back of him at the game but on the highlights it’s nothing like that and it’s a simple yellow.

[The Harp Awakes]

Hmm, I’m amazed anyone thinks it’s a terrible tackle. After seeing replays it’s 100% a breaking up play foul. Yellow card all day long, which I thought at the time too. Referee very very quick to get the card out.


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I'm with you. Not seen a replay but looked a straight forward yellow. Ridiculous red card.

[Hibbyradge]

Hmm, I’m amazed anyone thinks it’s a terrible tackle. After seeing replays it’s 100% a breaking up play foul. Yellow card all day long, which I thought at the time too. Referee very very quick to get the card out.


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Yes, "after seeing the replays"...

[CMac1988]

My take on the officials and VAR tonight.

Maeda's first yellow wasn't a booking. That said he was nibbling all night and it was only a matter of time so the fact he got sent of wasn't suprising.

Their penalty was a pen all day. Stevenson tries to slide in front in anticipation of the pass... Unfortunately it was passed behind McGregor and Stevenson had already committed. Clumsy.

Hibs TV only showed the replay in the build up to their goal once and the camera angle isn't the greatest. It did look like a handball though so I think the goal should've been overturned.

JDH. Yeah this was daft. I think he was lucky it got downgraded to a yellow. I think he felt he had a chance at winning the ball and then tried to pull out after diving in. This is what saved him from the red as it ended up being his shin that catches his leg as opposed to his foot.

Lastly I think we should've had another penalty for a shove on Nisbet at 2-2. Clear as day to me as he was getting on to the cross.

[Pretty Boy]

Leaving aside the various other decisions I don't think 11 minutes added time was all that ridiculous.

The VAR check for Celtic's 2nd goal was about 4 minutes. minutes so there's 4.00. There were 3 sets of subs and the accepted wisdom is they are 30 secs each so we are at 5.30. VAR check for the penalty was about another 90 seconds so that's 7.00 and then the VAR check for the red card was about the same again so that's 8.30. Newell and Egan Riley both received treatment on the park as well plus there was a delay whilst Maeda walked off after his red so that's not far off another 2 and a half minutes.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Maeda easily should have been off sooner

Nothing yellow for Nisbet

Blatant hand ball in the build up to their 2nd

Couldn’t wait to send off JDH

We should have had a second penalty

Apart from that, he was ok…

[Paulie Walnuts]

I actually think they should be red cards but it's a 'professional foul' and only deemed worthy of a red.

Before VAR Lundstrum got sent off at ER for a similar one, which then got overturned. So right decision tonight I reckon.

I’m the same. I hate tackles like that and think they should be a red.

They aren’t though so a booking was the right decision.

[patlowe]

Similar to LJ I can actually understand the red shown to JDH as I thought it looked bad. The worst example I thought was Nisbet’s booking straight after Maeda. Maeda had already had a bad challenge on Miller but Nisbet is booked straight away for a soft one.

On Clancy I will say when he is walking back on the pitch to overturn the red why is he taking an age to show the crowd his decision like he is building suspense. A lot of our refs are terrible for this and need to remember they aren’t the main attraction they think they are.

I think he is a terrible ref but tbf I thought he seemed apologetic and maybe just wanted to go to JDH directly.

FWIW I also hate those fouls and would like to see them as reds in future, but it probably is a yellow under the rules. I thought it about Lundstram's so guess I should be consistent :rolleyes:

[Jones28]

Their penalty: definite penalty.
Maeda first booking: correct.
Their second goal: shockingly poor to miss the handball in the first instance from Clancy, and how VAR didn't rule it out is baffling.
Maeda second booking: absolutely correct decision and by the sounds of it he could have been booked earlier.
Our penalty: definite penalty.
JDH red card: definite yellow, red was a dreadful decision.

Celtic: pumped, GIUY.
Hearts: we're coming for you :yw:

[overdrive]

I’ve not seen any highlights but can someone clarify what our penalty was given for? I’m not denying we should have had a penalty but everyone round me thought it had been given for a foul on Hanlon. We were then surprised when a Celtic player nowhere near Hanlon was booked for it meaning it was actually for a different infringement.

Edit: just saw the highlights and see it was for a push on Miller.

[blackpoolhibs]

Perfect example of referee’s mentality when handling one of the old firm.
I have sent off a Celtic player so I must even it up 1st chance I get.
Fortunately VAR intervened and red changed to yellow

Said it last night, you cant now have any doubt that referee's in Scotland are cheats.

Couldnt wait to level things up.:bitchy::rules:

[Hibbyradge]

I’ve not seen any highlights but can someone clarify what our penalty was given for? I’m not denying we should have had a penalty but everyone round me thought it had been given for a foul on Hanlon. We were then surprised when a Celtic player nowhere near Hanlon was booked for it meaning it was actually for a different infringement.

Edit: just saw the highlights and see it was for a push on Miller.

A push?

It was like a tackle on American football!

[JimBHibees]

A push?

It was like a tackle on American football!

Yes more of a body slam dragging him to the floor. Was surprised we got it though

[Libby Hibby]

For 60 minutes the ref and VAR did their best to give everything to Celtc. Que some absolutely disgraceful decisions.

For the last half hour, the game was reffed fairly and VAR used correctly and look at the difference.

If folk still don’t believe that refs and VAR referee the old firm differently and their actions don’t influence a game then point them in the direction of last nights match.

[Caversham Green]

I believe the VAR doesn't actually overrule the referee's decisions, he just recommends that the ref reconsiders. That's quite relevant for Celtc's goal, as that means the VAR has told Clancy that he should have a look at the footage and having done so Clancy was the one who decided that the goal should stand.

In other words VAR did the job properly, Clancy didn't.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yes more of a body slam dragging him to the floor. Was surprised we got it though
Did we not lose a penalty at Parkhead for something similar?

[Libby Hibby]

I believe the VAR doesn't actually overrule the referee's decisions, he just recommends that the ref reconsiders. That's quite relevant for Celtc's goal, as that means the VAR has told Clancy that he should have a look at the footage and having done so Clancy was the one who decided that the goal should stand.

In other words VAR did the job properly, Clancy didn't.

Clancy didn’t view the monitor for Celtcs second goal.

The only time he went to the monitor was for the JDH red card reversal.

Their second goal stood because VAR did not deem it a hand ball.

[007]

I believe the VAR doesn't actually overrule the referee's decisions, he just recommends that the ref reconsiders. That's quite relevant for Celtc's goal, as that means the VAR has told Clancy that he should have a look at the footage and having done so Clancy was the one who decided that the goal should stand.

In other words VAR did the job properly, Clancy didn't.

I don't think Clancy did go and have a look at the footage for their goal. It came up on screen that VAR was checking for handball and after about 5 minutes it said on screen "no handball". I'd like to see it again as funnily enough Sportscene didn't show it. Pretty much all the West stand shouted for it when it happened.

[JimBHibees]

Simply an appalling referee has imo no real understanding of the game and like Collum looks like they are making it up on the hoof. The fact he apparently heads up a key refereeing organisation is a significant worry in itself so no doubt comfortable with the current west of Scotland referee domination at top level.

[Caversham Green]

Clancy didn’t view the monitor for Celtcs second goal.

The only time he went to the monitor was for the JDH red card reversal.

Their second goal stood because VAR did not deem it a hand ball.


I don't think Clancy did go and have a look at the footage for their goal. It came up on screen that VAR was checking for handball and after about 5 minutes it said on screen "no handball". I'd like to see it again as funnily enough Sportscene didn't show it. Pretty much all the West stand shouted for it when it happened.

Ah fair enough, I just assumed he'd looked at it. It was VAR that got it wrong then.

[JimBHibees]

Did we not lose a penalty at Parkhead for something similar?

Except that one was a total dive :greengrin

[O'Rourke3]

I don't think Clancy did go and have a look at the footage for their goal. It came up on screen that VAR was checking for handball and after about 5 minutes it said on screen "no handball". I'd like to see it again as funnily enough Sportscene didn't show it. Pretty much all the West stand shouted for it when it happened.He never moved fir the review. Be interesting to hear the conversation between Clancy and the VAR ref. Probably Clancy letting VAR know he'd "seen the alleged handball and wouldn't change his mind. The time for VAR was likely to be an angle that backs a "legitimate" goal.

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[JimBHibees]

Any clear footage of build up to Celtic second goal. Looked a clear handball from ff upper.

[LaMotta]

We have just had a referee awarding us a penalty and sending off an opposition player against one of the Bigot Brothers and yet he is still being called a cheat and being ripped for being utterly hopeless https://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/tee%20hee%20hee.gif.

A ref can never ever win. Sometimes they deserve a hammering but come on, last night wasn't it.

[JimBHibees]

We have just had a referee awarding us a penalty and sending off an opposition player against one of the Bigot Brothers and yet he is still being called a cheat and being ripped for being utterly hopeless https://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/tee%20hee%20hee.gif.

A ref can never ever win. Sometimes they deserve a hammering but come on, last night wasn't it.

Even wrongly sending off Doyle Hayes taking an age to send off Maeda ignoring a second penalty in Nisbet and ignoring a clear handball in their second goal. Apart from that he was good. He is awful.

[LaMotta]

Even wrongly sending off Doyle Hayes taking an age to send off Maeda ignoring a second penalty in Nisbet and ignoring a clear handball in their second goal. Apart from that he was good. He is awful.

The Doyles Hayes red card was borderline can see why he gave it.

Taking an age to send off Maeda? Not sure what you mean there.

Wasnt a clear handball for their second goal, have watched that back.

Nisbet second penalty I'm with you, I thought it was one, would like to see that back.

Ref's wont always get everything right but honestly think Clancy had a decent game last night and is one of our better refs if you compare him to the likes of Napier, Grainger, Mclean etc who have all had total howlers this season against us.

If he was really a cheat he wouldn't have sent Maeda off or given us a pen.

[Donegal Hibby]

Any clear footage of build up to Celtic second goal. Looked a clear handball from ff upper.
Not exactly clear footage though looks a handball all day long 1:55 in . Put up on another thread did maybe Clancy fall for what O'Reilly is trying to say what JDH done in foul ? 3:10 in .
https://youtu.be/CqTugqaeMPU

[allezsauzee]

I thought it was a terrible tackle and a red card all day long, couldn’t believe it got overturned. Shows what I know 😂

I agree, not as horrendous as I thought in real time but I really have no problem with Clancy's initial reaction that it was a red and I still wouldn't have complained about it being upheld as he has no intention of playing the ball. JDH got off with one IMO

[007]

Not exactly clear footage though looks a handball all day long 1:55 in . Put up on another thread did maybe Clancy fall for what O'Reilly is trying to say what JDH done in foul ? 3:10 in .
https://youtu.be/CqTugqaeMPU

He tries to pull his hand out of the way but it definitely hits it before he does. If VAR only has the same camera view as the replay then they probably deemed it as not a clear and obvious error, which I think is wrong. If Sky had been covering it then there would have been more camera angles, presumably VAR has the benefit of more camera angles in Sky matches?

[Tyler Durden]

He tries to pull his hand out of the way but it definitely hits it before he does. If VAR only has the same camera view as the replay then they probably deemed it as not a clear and obvious error, which I think is wrong. If Sky had been covering it then there would have been more camera angles, presumably VAR has the benefit of more camera angles in Sky matches?

I've not seen the footage but the guidance at the World Cup and in the EPL, is that an "accidental" handball by an attacking player is only penalised if it occurs "immediately" before a goal or clear goal-scoring opportunity.

So if it's an accidental handball in the build up it doesn't need to be penalised.

Again - I've not had a chance to actually see the footage myself.

[hibee_girl]

The Doyles Hayes red card was borderline can see why he gave it.

Taking an age to send off Maeda? Not sure what you mean there.

Wasnt a clear handball for their second goal, have watched that back.

Nisbet second penalty I'm with you, I thought it was one, would like to see that back.

Ref's wont always get everything right but honestly think Clancy had a decent game last night and is one of our better refs if you compare him to the likes of Napier, Grainger, Mclean etc who have all had total howlers this season against us.

If he was really a cheat he wouldn't have sent Maeda off or given us a pen.

Probably that Maeda should have been sent off long before he was. He let about 3 or 4 fouls go before finally showing him a second yellow.

[LaMotta]

Probably that Maeda should have been sent off long before he was. He let about 3 or 4 fouls go before finally showing him a second yellow.

Sorry that's nonsense. None of the previous ones (after the first one) were yellows. Clancy sent him off when he should have.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry that's nonsense. None of the previous ones (after the first one) were yellows. Clancy sent him off when he should have.

Taken on their own merit I’d agree. Considering he made numerous fouls whilst on a booking though I think the second booking should have come earlier.

Miller had him wrapped round his finger though. Good to see a bit gamesmanship from our players.

[Donegal Hibby]

He tries to pull his hand out of the way but it definitely hits it before he does. If VAR only has the same camera view as the replay then they probably deemed it as not a clear and obvious error, which I think is wrong. If Sky had been covering it then there would have been more camera angles, presumably VAR has the benefit of more camera angles in Sky matches?
He does try to pull his hand away though I think it's clear enough that it has hit his hand and I definitely would imagine VAR would have clearer and different angles of it , how the guy doing VAR can't see it is a absolute mystery to me . It's another poor decision that's went against us though thankfully it's not cost us this time like the other ones have !

[JimBHibees]

Not exactly clear footage though looks a handball all day long 1:55 in . Put up on another thread did maybe Clancy fall for what O'Reilly is trying to say what JDH done in foul ? 3:10 in .
https://youtu.be/CqTugqaeMPU

Exactly what I saw at the game. Stick on handball which ref 4th official two yards away linesman that side and var absolutely ignored. Atrocious decision. 4th official same guy on var as Duk dive game.

[JimBHibees]

The Doyles Hayes red card was borderline can see why he gave it.

Taking an age to send off Maeda? Not sure what you mean there.

Wasnt a clear handball for their second goal, have watched that back.

Nisbet second penalty I'm with you, I thought it was one, would like to see that back.

Ref's wont always get everything right but honestly think Clancy had a decent game last night and is one of our better refs if you compare him to the likes of Napier, Grainger, Mclean etc who have all had total howlers this season against us.

If he was really a cheat he wouldn't have sent Maeda off or given us a pen.

In which planet was it not a clear handball he controls the ball with it. Doyle Hayes isn't a red. Don't think he is a good ref at all. Get the impression we only got two decisions we wouldn't normally get red card and pen was likely he knew he had cocked up and knew it wasn't an important game to Celtic. Was desperate to even up after sending off Maeda.

[Cuikyhibs]

a total of 17 mins added injury time seemed a tad excessive:agree:

[LaMotta]

In which planet was it not a clear handball he controls the ball with it. Doyle Hayes isn't a red. Don't think he is a good ref at all. Get the impression we only got two decisions we wouldn't normally get red card and pen was likely he knew he had cocked up and knew it wasn't an important game to Celtic. Was desperate to even up after sending off Maeda.

Well if you've got footage of it being a clear handball I'd like to see it. Because their is nothing conclusive I've seen so far. Certainly not the angle on the SPFL youtube page which you can't tell for sure either way.

[LaMotta]

Exactly what I saw at the game. Stick on handball which ref 4th official two yards away linesman that side and var absolutely ignored. Atrocious decision. 4th official same guy on var as Duk dive game.

That footage tells you nothing.

[LaMotta]

Taken on their own merit I’d agree. Considering he made numerous fouls whilst on a booking though I think the second booking should have come earlier.

Miller had him wrapped round his finger though. Good to see a bit gamesmanship from our players.

He made a couple of innocuous ones, but the fans were rightly building the pressure on the ref. Seriously dont think the ref could have pulled a card on them, but the last one was a no brainer.

Agree re Miller!!

[Since452]

I'd be happy if they changed "tackles" like JDH one to straight reds in the future. It's not a tackle it's blatantly fouling a player to stop them attacking. I'd go as far as saying it's a form of cheating. At the very least seriously unsporting. Hate them and always have.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd be happy if they changed "tackles" like JDH one to straight reds in the future. It's not a tackle it's blatantly fouling a player to stop them attacking. I'd go as far as saying it's a form of cheating. At the very least seriously unsporting. Hate them and always have.

I agree, but I'd go further and say that all deliberate fouls are cheating.

[JohnM1875]

I agree, but I'd go further and say that all deliberate fouls are cheating.

Yup, agree. Hate them

[JimBHibees]

That footage tells you nothing.

Apart from two angles clearly showing him controlling the ball with his hand. :confused:

[Hibee Mac]

Was definitely a handball in the build up to Celtics 2nd goal. I was shouting for it immediately at the time, and the camera angles only cement my opinion on it.

I'm very surprised that var decided no handball, the only explanation I can understand is if the camera angle wasn't conclusive, which is pretty crap if it's the case.

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[Donegal Hibby]

Was definitely a handball in the build up to Celtics 2nd goal. I was shouting for it immediately at the time, and the camera angles only cement my opinion on it.

I'm very surprised that var decided no handball, the only explanation I can understand is if the camera angle wasn't conclusive, which is pretty crap if it's the case.

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Looked a handball all day long imo . Was Nisbet not pushed in the box as well ?. Think VAR will have excellent clear camera angles though problem is imo poor refereeing and official's watching VAR . I know they are only human and can make mistake's but all season there's been really bad ones made and it's been a season of totally inconsistent decision which I think is unacceptable now that VARS been introduced!

[LaMotta]

Apart from two angles clearly showing him controlling the ball with his hand. :confused:

The footage is inconclusive, if anything it looks like it hits his stomach. The world is not out to get us all the time pal.:aok:

[JimBHibees]

The footage is inconclusive, if anything it looks like it hits his stomach. The world is not out to get us all the time pal.:aok:

Genuinely think the refs sponsor spec savers should be due a visit if you think that hit his stomach. Do you think all teams get the same treatment from refs in this country? Think you have a generous view of our officials ability. :aok:

[JimBHibees]

Was definitely a handball in the build up to Celtics 2nd goal. I was shouting for it immediately at the time, and the camera angles only cement my opinion on it.

I'm very surprised that var decided no handball, the only explanation I can understand is if the camera angle wasn't conclusive, which is pretty crap if it's the case.

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They would have at minimum the same angles as the highlights link above. Also didn't need var when three officials had perfect view of it and chose not to see it.

[LaMotta]

Genuinely think the refs sponsor spec savers should be due a visit if you think that hit his stomach. Do you think all teams get the same treatment from refs in this country? Think you have a generous view of our officials ability. :aok:

Hilarious - but neither of those camera angles prove the ball hits his arm. Slow the footage down and It's impossible to tell for sure if it did or didn't. The goal can't be ruled out from either of those camera angles because it's not an obvious error.

I've already named several shocking refs, I just think Clancy is better than them and his performance wasnt a shocker on Wed.

I think Refs do think about reactions from media and certain clubs fans if for example the away team has a penalty shout at Ibrox, no doubt that influences them.

The paranoid notion that they are all out to get Hibs is laughable though, proven by the fact Clancy gave us a pen and red carded a Celtic player.:aok:

[superfurryhibby]

Yeah, thought he went studs up through the back of him at the game but on the highlights it’s nothing like that and it’s a simple yellow.

It looked worse to me from where I was sitting, TV replay shows there wasn't full contact, so for me understandable that people saw it as a red, at the time.

[JimBHibees]

Hilarious - but neither of those camera angles prove the ball hits his arm. Slow the footage down and It's impossible to tell for sure if it did or didn't. The goal can't be ruled out from either of those camera angles because it's not an obvious error.

I've already named several shocking refs, I just think Clancy is better than them and his performance wasnt a shocker on Wed.

I think Refs do think about reactions from media and certain clubs fans if for example the away team has a penalty shout at Ibrox, no doubt that influences them.

The paranoid notion that they are all out to get Hibs is laughable though, proven by the fact Clancy gave us a pen and red carded a Celtic player.:aok:

Genuinely don't understand how you don't see that as clear handball. Yes I think we do get done by some refs. You yourself have just admitted certain teams get treated differently and Rangers lack of penalties against them prove it imo. All top refs from West of Scotland how is that fit for purpose. Not paranoia but based on experience. Would also think Clancy would have been less likely to give decisions if game meant anything to Celtic

[LaMotta]

Genuinely don't understand how you don't see that as clear handball. Yes I think we do get done by some refs. You yourself have just admitted certain teams get treated differently and Rangers lack of penalties against them prove it imo. All top refs from West of Scotland how is that fit for purpose. Not paranoia but based on experience. Would also think Clancy would have been less likely to give decisions if game meant anything to Celtic

Because simply it's not a clear handball. It may have hit his hand, or it may have hit his stomach, you cant tell for sure from the tv evidence. If you've got a better tv angle I'm happy to revisit that opinion:greengrin

Theres no doubt we have had more poor decisions against us this season than in our favour, some of the VAR decisions have been disgraceful. But we have also had some luck too, St Johnstone game first day of season with their red card and Cabraja only a yellow, Lundstram Red Card v Huns (downgraded to a yellow) , Killie red card at ER. I'm not buying that the refs are out to get us.

[Donegal Hibby]

There's far to many decisions that goes against us when playing the old firm just don't buy into the " there just incompetent" line any more . Incident in Celtic game looks a stonewall handball to me just has the one in the Hun game was too when we were leading 2-1 though I suppose the official's thought that hit the his stomach as well . No surprises who the referee was that day either :rolleyes:

[LaMotta]

There's far to many decisions that goes against us when playing the old firm just don't buy into the " there just incompetent" line any more . Incident in Celtic game looks a stonewall handball to me just has the one in the Hun game was too when we were leading 2-1 though I suppose the official's thought that hit the his stomach as well . No surprises who the referee was that day either :rolleyes:

Well no the one at Ibrox was a clear handball. The one on Wednesday wasn't.

[Donegal Hibby]

Well no the one at Ibrox was a clear handball. The one on Wednesday wasn't.
The one at Ibrox was a clear handball in fact you'll not see a more blatantly obvious handball tbh . It was that obvious that the referee should have easily seen it before VAR though it was missed by the referee and VAR .

The referee was none other than nick Walsh who has a association with sevco btw . Shouldn't be anywhere near games involving them imo .

I've watched the hatate incident a good few times and every time I've watched it I think it clearly comes off the Celtic players hand and not the stomach . He's actually attempting to get his hand out of the way before the ball hits his hand.

It's another flaw with VAR in whatever footage the official's have seen of it on the VAR monitor the fans are once again left in the dark as to why what looks a clear handball wasn't given. With the technology that's now in the game the fans should be made aware of why decision's are given or not instead of only a couple of people knowing why !

[The_Sauz]

The footage is inconclusive, if anything it looks like it hits his stomach. The world is not out to get us all the time pal.:aok:
Just look at the flight of the ball, it comes to him waste hight, then it's straight down at his feet! If he had controlled it with his stomach then then it would have been at the front of him! :agree: