A spineless performance

[Tully]

No other words for it, we were embarrassing.thought it was an end of season game the way we played, why did the manager not change shape after 10 minutes,everyone in the crowd could see weeere being overrun

[Hibees1973]

No other words for it, we were embarrassing.thought it was an end of season game the way we played, why did the manager not change shape after 10 minutes,everyone in the crowd could see weeere being overrun

Dire. Johnson didn't learn from the last time they ran over us at ER.

Forget about 4th. Fantasy.

I reckon St Mirren will pick up more points than us in the next 2 games. Just hope it's not more than 2.

[Chorley Hibee]

No other words for it, we were embarrassing.thought it was an end of season game the way we played, why did the manager not change shape after 10 minutes,everyone in the crowd could see weeere being overrun

I thought we were okay first half, but retreated into our shell after the second goal.

We're so easily beaten in these situations, and there's a distinct lack of bodies willing us on and capable of dragging us back into a game.

Given a win would have opened up a challenge for third, it really wasn't good enough.

[RossScott1991]

Johnson’s Hibs summed up with the title of the thread.

Scrape 1 derby victory against an out of sorts hearts and think they’ve cracked it.

Weak players
Terrible footballers
Weak mentality

Continue with this bunch and he will be gone first part of next season

[A Hi-Bee]

No other words for it, we were embarrassing.thought it was an end of season game the way we played, why did the manager not change shape after 10 minutes,everyone in the crowd could see weeere being overrun

Sums the performance up for sure, but happening more times than ever now, would rather get beat knowing my team had fought tooth and nail to try and get a point or 3.

[SHODAN]

If Marshall doesn't chuck two in we come away with a point. Just saying.

[SlickShoes]

We miss too many good chances, we make too many mistakes, we don’t force mistakes from the opposition.

The manager still being positive grates me because that second half was brutal.

[PPZPOL]

I get the gulf in class with players but dearie me that was pathetic again.

Just a lethargy and lack of energy and desire about anything, you don’t need to be worth millions of pounds to get the ball back in play and have an appetite for the game.

Meek and lacklustre, pretty much sums up the season.

[B.H.F.C]

I thought we played well first half and Marshall has killed us.

Second half we gave up after the second goal having just missed a good chance to equalise.

The issue is quality as much as anything. Look at the subs we brought on. Makes your heart sink.

Last 40 minutes Joe Newell was the only one who put in the required level of effort and actually wanted to do something about the position we were in.

[mcfly]

Weak , weak , weak.

He gets a good result then follows it up with that today,

Sorry hibs will go nowhere I until Johnson puts a backbone in his team.

Game bypassed jeggo, Campbell missed a sitter.
Goalie needs replaced.
Youan tried v hard and was a positive for me

So disappointing

[Hibees1973]

I get the gulf in class with players but dearie me that was pathetic again.

Just a lethargy and lack of energy and desire about anything, you don’t need to be worth millions of pounds to get the ball back in play and have an appetite for the game.

Meek and lacklustre, pretty much sums up the season.

Johnson has instilled a lack of belief and desire in the squad. The way some players moaned and blamed each other was embarrassing and highlighted they don't want to fight for each other.

Don't know if Johnson has come out with one of his gems such as 'lack of game intelligence' or some other cringing soundbite, but if that's the best him and his team can come up with in such an important game then I have little optimism with him in charge for the foreseeable future.

[A Hi-Bee]

I thought we played well first half and Marshall has killed us.

Second half we gave up after the second goal having just missed a good chance to equalise.

The issue is quality as much as anything. Look at the subs we brought on. Makes your heart sink.

Last 40 minutes Joe Newell was the only one who put in the required level of effort and actually wanted to do something about the position we were in.

If Newell is the level of quality, then we are not going to get very much further with our so called progress.

[Nitten]

If Marshall doesn't chuck two in we come away with a point. Just saying.

We had arguably the better chances in the first half but far too passive. They were hardly a threat despite their possession but Marshall‘a howler gave them a lift. Too many too often gave away the ball with slack passes. I just don’t get why we do not press higher, when we did we invariably won the ball…. Then proceeded to give them it back

[LancsHibs]

Unfortunately LJ will have done just enough to keep his job going into next season. I’m afraid he’s a poor manager and we will struggle to progress under his leadership

[NC1875]

Dire. Johnson didn't learn from the last time they ran over us at ER.

Forget about 4th. Fantasy.

I reckon St Mirren will pick up more points than us in the next 2 games. Just hope it's not more than 2.

Said it yesterday. St Mirren will beat Aberdeen on Wednesday and Hearts will beat us next week to finish 3rd while we end up 6th. We are a shambles.

[The Harp Awakes]

Yet another meek performance against the OF.

Seen far too many of those types of performances in recent seasons. St Mirren's performance against Celtic and ours today against Sevco was like night and day. Johnson does not have a clue how to set his team up in these games. Motivation also looks a problem as the players don't look like they have any belief that they can beat them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just all a bit ****.

We kept them at bay first half but offered nothing much ourselves. Then we offered nothing second half and lost the game.

We’re just dull. There’s little to enjoy about watching us over the piece imo.

[HFC93]

Only so much Johnson can do about individual errors.

[Hibees1973]

Unfortunately LJ will have done just enough to keep his job going into next season. I’m afraid he’s a poor manager and we will struggle to progress under his leadership

That's where I am.

He has been given enough time and money to get us above a below average Yam and Aberdeen, but has failed.

Cup runs have been deplorable.

Now we are looking anxiously over our shoulder at the mighty St Mirren.

Looks like 'Streaky Lee' is going to have a poor streak at the end of the season which may leave us in sixth. If that's where we end up he deserves to be sacked.

[One Day Soon]

Weak , weak , weak.

He gets a good result then follows it up with that today,

Sorry hibs will go nowhere I until Johnson puts a backbone in his team.

Game bypassed jeggo, Campbell missed a sitter.
Goalie needs replaced.
Youan tried v hard and was a positive for me

So disappointing


Weak is absolutely the word.

Weak team, weak squad, weak tactics, weak mentality, weak level of ambition.

To have a chance of grabbing one of those European places we needed to go after wins in each of our three remaining games. Lose the first today and the remaining two effectively become redundant. So today was in effect a cup final for us. We should have been pressing them all over the park, battering them in challenges and playing like our lives depended on it.

We were so far off that it was almost comical. And this against a Rangers side with literally nothing left to play for. By the way, where is the high-press, high-tempo game Johnson was promising us during last summer's pre-season when he was also telling us he was happy that he had the players to deliver it?

Johnson has had a shocking season. Unless he comes out of the traps at the start of next season like a rocket in both the league and cup he will or should be gone. And if he is under the microscope - and he is - then it is doubly the case for the recruitment team.

We need a hell of a summer window. We have mediocrity by the bucketload. The midfield need an almost complete refit, we need two full backs, the keeper is pretty questionable and up front we are, at best, limited. Anything short of I would say five signings to go straight into the first team at levels above what we have just now will be a failure of recruitment. Fall into that trap and Johnson is done.

[marinello59]

I’ll buck the trend here. :greengrin
Up until their first goal went in I thought we were doing OK. I didn’t see any lack of desire up until that point though the technical superiority of the Sevco players was self evident. It’s not a lack of spine for me, too many players in the squad simply aren’t good enough and that needs urgently addressed.

[O'Rourke3]

I’ll buck the trend here. :greengrin
Up until their first goal went in I thought we were doing OK. I didn’t see any lack of desire up until that point though the technical superiority of the Sevco players was self evident. It’s not a lack of spine for me, too many players in the squad simply aren’t good enough and that needs urgently addressed.This. A rolled up trouser leg up for the free kick and brain fart from the goalie did us.

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[Heisenberg]

We were doing absolutely fine until Marshall chucked in the first. Missing every chance we get doesn’t help either though.

[Crunchie]

Only so much Johnson can do about individual errors.
In a nutshell :aok:

[Scooter]

We were absolutely doing fine until Marshall chucked it, even after that we had chances to score.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Didn’t think it was a spineless performance at all. Inept maybe but not spineless. We had a go and created several opportunities which we didn’t take.

ultimately an expensively assembled team beat a not very expensively assembled team and the fact we handed them a couple of goals made that a certainty.

[B.H.F.C]

Weak is absolutely the word.

Weak team, weak squad, weak tactics, weak mentality, weak level of ambition.

To have a chance of grabbing one of those European places we needed to go after wins in each of our three remaining games. Lose the first today and the remaining two effectively become redundant. So today was in effect a cup final for us. We should have been pressing them all over the park, battering them in challenges and playing like our lives depended on it.

We were so far off that it was almost comical. And this against a Rangers side with literally nothing left to play for. By the way, where is the high-press, high-tempo game Johnson was promising us during last summer's pre-season when he was also telling us he was happy that he had the players to deliver it?

Johnson has had a shocking season. Unless he comes out of the traps at the start of next season like a rocket in both the league and cup he will or should be gone. And if he is under the microscope - and he is - then it is doubly the case for the recruitment team.

We need a hell of a summer window. We have mediocrity by the bucketload. The midfield need an almost complete refit, we need two full backs, the keeper is pretty questionable and up front we are, at best, limited. Anything short of I would say five signings to go straight into the first team at levels above what we have just now will be a failure of recruitment. Fall into that trap and Johnson is done.

Whilst I can agree we’ve been absolutely pish for much of the season, I’m no sure how the last two games are redundant on the back of a defeat today?

[Just_Jimmy]

We're just dull. I don't enjoy watching Hibs. There's little point watching a game against Rangers or Celtic as we never turn up.

I'm not disappointed because I didn't expect anything from today.

7 years ago today we won the Scottish Cup with a team full of talent and grit. We've regressed at alarming speed, to the point the club has zero leadership, very little talent and is absolutely directionless.

Mcdermott has a hell of a Job on his hands.

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[B.H.F.C]

We're just dull. I don't enjoy watching Hibs. There's little point watching a game against Rangers or Celtic as we never turn up.

I'm not disappointed because I didn't expect anything from today.

7 years ago today we won the Scottish Cup with a team full of talent and grit. We've regressed at alarming speed, to the point the club has zero leadership, very little talent and is absolutely directionless.

Mcdermott has a hell of a Job on his hands.

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On the point of the cup win, I can’t believe there was no mention of it. We didn’t have it on the screens. We should have had someone bringing the match ball out from that day. Could even have been big Daz. Would have got the place going a bit. But we did/said nothing!

[Nicho87]

How I miss when Lennon had us fired up for old firm games.

Wouldn’t always go our way but the players usually looked like they knew what it meant.

This lot would be an embarrassment in the qualifiers should Celtic manage to do us a favour. I’m banking on st mirren pipping us anyway.

LJ will get until about October I reckon before hibs axe will fall.

Big numbers out, squad is dire!

[Hibees1973]

Didn’t think it was a spineless performance at all. Inept maybe but not spineless. We had a go and created several opportunities which we didn’t take.

ultimately an expensively assembled team beat a not very expensively assembled team and the fact we handed them a couple of goals made that a certainty.

Disagree with your last comment. In comparable terms this is an expensively assembled Hibs team and squad. This last club accounts proved that with a £1.5m loss. Hibs are not a huge club and cannot absorb this kind of loss year on year. Problems have been brought on ourselves by poor recruitment and handing out 3-4 year contracts to duds such as McKirdy, Henderson, Tavares, etc. Also paying inflated transfer fees for the likes of Melkersen who contributed little and was eventually sent out on loan.

The club will have lost a lot of money due to failed cup runs this season. Just hope the Gordon family pick up the tab for our debts if the guys they chose to manage the club fail in their roles.

[One Day Soon]

Whilst I can agree we’ve been absolutely pish for much of the season, I’m no sure how the last two games are redundant on the back of a defeat today?

There is absolutely no way we are beating Celtc next and then Hearts at Tynecastle. None. Particularly not after today where we failed to put any points pressure on Aberdeen and Hearts. Today was the easiest of the three games, with Rangers barely looking like they were hungry and yet they could have had another three or so goals.

[DaveF]

We're just dull. I don't enjoy watching Hibs. There's little point watching a game against Rangers or Celtic as we never turn up.

I'm not disappointed because I didn't expect anything from today.

7 years ago today we won the Scottish Cup with a team full of talent and grit. We've regressed at alarming speed, to the point the club has zero leadership, very little talent and is absolutely directionless.

Mcdermott has a hell of a Job on his hands.

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Totally agree, except on the disappointed part. I am disappointed because I thought we would give it a go today - but we dropped our drawers again when they visit.

The whole mindset of the club v rantic is weak.

[B.H.F.C]

How I miss when Lennon had us fired up for old firm games.

Wouldn’t always go our way but the players usually looked like they knew what it meant.

This lot would be an embarrassment in the qualifiers should Celtic manage to do us a favour. I’m banking on st mirren pipping us anyway.

LJ will get until about October I reckon before hibs axe will fall.

Big numbers out, squad is dire!

Having some brilliant players in there helped massively. We have very few who are actually any good.

[B.H.F.C]

There is absolutely no way we are beating Celtc next and then Hearts at Tynecastle. None. Particularly not after today where we failed to put any points pressure on Aberdeen and Hearts. Today was the easiest of the three games, with Rangers barely looking like they were hungry and yet they could have had another three or so goals.

The games aren’t redundant though are they? And even if we don’t catch Hearts/Aberdeen, we’ll still likely be in Europe.

[One Day Soon]

On the point of the cup win, I can’t believe there was no mention of it. We didn’t have it on the screens. We should have had someone bringing the match ball out from that day. Could even have been big Daz. Would have got the place going a bit. But we did/said nothing!

Actually that is a very good point. Kind of illustrates how adrift from our moorings we are currently. Though to be fair the pre-match energy seemed to have been put into making sure we couldn't have celebrated it too much even if we wanted to...

[Nicho87]

Having some brilliant players in there helped massively. We have very few who are actually any good.

I agree - McGinn being the major success story of that current squad

Said it before, showed again today, we have no players with much charisma, personality or drive, that interacts, connects with the fans, whether it’s a bit skill, tackle or what ever.

Our squad is just meh, bit like LJ, meh.

[Scotty Leither]

On the point of the cup win, I can’t believe there was no mention of it. We didn’t have it on the screens. We should have had someone bringing the match ball out from that day. Could even have been big Daz. Would have got the place going a bit. But we did/said nothing!

Suspect there was no mention of it in case it offended them. And I’m not joking when I make that assertion.

[Hiber-nation]

That game just highlighted where we are. No surprise really. A few small margins that went Rangers' way but no excuses.

Some of the pre-match chat on here about the huns being there for the taking was absolutely bizarre. They've got 2 guys in the middle of the park that we couldn't get near.

Massive summer ahead obviously.

[One Day Soon]

The games aren’t redundant though are they? And even if we don’t catch Hearts/Aberdeen, we’ll still likely be in Europe.

Before today we had it in our hands to qualify for Europe. Now we don't.

Sure, I'll be at the next game hoping we can somehow beat the Champions and then if that happens hoping we can somehow also go on to Tynecastle for an Edinburgh derby and win it. We won't though.

[Chorley Hibee]

Actually that is a very good point. Kind of illustrates how adrift from our moorings we are currently. Though to be fair the pre-match energy seemed to have been put into making sure we couldn't have celebrated it too much even if we wanted to...

I refer you to my earlier post.

A collection of spineless individuals in the club content on ripping the soul and atmosphere out of Easter Road, cracking down on their own support, whilst welcoming the Huns and all their indiscretions with open arms.

Fans groups should do as they wish now and not even enter into discussions with the club given what happened today.

[Greenio]

Overreacting much. Seen a lot worse performances than that. I get it though. Losing ain't fun

We were ok first half. Marshall should have covered the first goal. Was also a decent strike so not the clanger folk are making out.

Faded badly second half

They are a good team and having/not having something to play for doesn't dictate performance.

Focus on that fifth place n we go again

[B.H.F.C]

Before today we had it in our hands to qualify for Europe. Now we don't.

Sure, I'll be at the next game hoping we can somehow beat the Champions and then if that happens hoping we can somehow also go on to Tynecastle for an Edinburgh derby and win it. We won't though.

I’m no saying we’ll do this or that but they’re no actually redundant games. They’re redundant in your head.

We will finish fifth and qualify for Europe IMO. I’m not saying we’re a good team, but we still have plenty to play for. No redundant games.

[Since90+2]

There is absolutely no way we are beating Celtc next and then Hearts at Tynecastle. None. Particularly not after today where we failed to put any points pressure on Aberdeen and Hearts. Today was the easiest of the three games, with Rangers barely looking like they were hungry and yet they could have had another three or so goals.

Today wasn't an easier game than Hearts away. Rangers have lost something like 1 of their last 20 league games, away at Celtic Park, and are about 25 points ahead of Hearts.

[B.H.F.C]

Overreacting much. Seen a lot worse performances than that. I get it though. Losing ain't fun

We were ok first half. Marshall should have covered the first goal. Was also a decent strike so not the clanger folk are making out.

Faded badly second half

They are a good team and having/not having something to play for doesn't dictate performance.

Focus on that fifth place n we go again

The first goal was a shocker. There is no defending that. Total lack of concentration/awareness from Marshall. As soon as Tavernier went over I said to my mate he’d try to score.

[A Hi-Bee]

I’m no saying we’ll do this or that but they’re no actually redundant games. They’re redundant in your head.

We will finish fifth and qualify for Europe IMO. I’m not saying we’re a good team, but we still have plenty to play for. No redundant games.

This is Hibs, not sure to even turn up for the next 2 games, not sure to qualify for any European games, unless its an overseas pre-season tour.

[Mango Man]

Not beating Aberdeen last week felt like the end of the season to me, and we played like it today, just don't know what to do with this Hibs team, they really annoy me, no consistency at all. As soon as the 2nd went in today just turned it right off, not for the first time this season.

[neil7908]

Suspect there was no mention of it in case it offended them. And I’m not joking when I make that assertion.

Sadly, I think you are right.

And that's another huge issue for me. I'm not loving the football at the moment but I'll be a Hibs supporter till I die.

Scottish football as a whole is just so utterly depressing though. Sevco are the Donald Trump of this league, and we are an enabler of their terrible behaviour. I used to laugh at how daft all their statements are but not any more. They have got their way time and time again, and nothing will change as clubs like are our terrified of upsetting them.

Whats the point of any of this - we are playing a rigged game. There was a chance to really change up Scottish football when they went down but it was blown (thanks Aberdeen) and now we are doomed to repeat the same pish ad nauseum.

Look back 5, 10 years ago and you'll see the same threads on here. And they will still be appearing in 10 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Suspect there was no mention of it in case it offended them. And I’m not joking when I make that assertion.

I think a lot of what you said is usually a bit more exaggerated than my feelings but I can see where you’re coming from but I fully agree with this.

We deliberately said nothing about the fact we won the cup on this day against the same team 7 years ago because they might have been annoyed by it.

Embarrassing. If we were at tynecastle on 19/5 they’d have the whole ****ing squad out cupping their ears.

[Torto7]

Overreacting much. Seen a lot worse performances than that. I get it though. Losing ain't fun

We were ok first half. Marshall should have covered the first goal. Was also a decent strike so not the clanger folk are making out.

Faded badly second half

They are a good team and having/not having something to play for doesn't dictate performance.

Focus on that fifth place n we go again

They really aren't. We're just really average.

[hibby67]

Every home OF game has been the same try and not give them space but we still get humped .. even the 2-2 game against Sevco we only got the draw due to the sending offs .. after Hearts beating Aberdeen yesterday we needed a win today but played the exact same way .. why are we not giving the OF a game at home quite depressing.. if we’re getting beat by trying to keep it tight May as well get beat when having a go

[Not In The Know]

Our so called big game (big wage) players let us down. Simple as that.

[B.H.F.C]

Every home OF game has been the same try and not give them space but we still get humped .. even the 2-2 game against Sevco we only got the draw due to the sending offs .. after Hearts beating Aberdeen yesterday we needed a win today but played the exact same way .. why are we not giving the OF a game at home quite depressing.. if we’re getting beat by trying to keep it tight May as well get beat when having a go

I’m no sure about the not having a go thing that I’m seeing. We found ourselves 2-0 down to two bad mistakes defensively. But we missed a sitter right before half time and a good chance right after. We had good opportunities in the first half, just totally lacking quality. It’s not like we were hardly up the park or anything.

Would have been as well stopping the game when the second went in though.

[hibby67]

I’m no sure about the not having a go thing that I’m seeing. We found ourselves 2-0 down to two bad mistakes defensively. But we missed a sitter right before half time and a good chance right after. We had good opportunities in the first half, just totally lacking quality. It’s not like we were hardly up the park or anything.

Would have been as well stopping the game when the second went in though.

It’s the same every OF game give them the ball in their half try and sit back but if we do win the ball it’s to deep in our half and to get forward we need a long ball and hope something happens.. we should be engaging further up the pitch and give us a chance to put them under pressure..

[Lago]

I'm afraid the days of Hibs or any other team getting close to the OF are long gone, there maybe the occasional shock result, Dons against Rangers a few weeks ago, St Mirren against Celtic, but in the main the financial gulf is huge and will only get bigger.

[JohnM1875]

I'm afraid the days of Hibs or any other team getting close to the OF are long gone, there maybe the occasional shock result, Dons against Rangers a few weeks ago, St Mirren against Celtic, but in the main the financial gulf is huge and will only get bigger.

St Mirren have taken four points off Celtic this season, probably should have been six.

It was just all a bit beige from us today, disappointing.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s the same every OF game give them the ball in their half try and sit back but if we do win the ball it’s to deep in our half and to get forward we need a long ball and hope something happens.. we should be engaging further up the pitch and give us a chance to put them under pressure..

I didn’t think the first half was like that. We sat deep when they had the ball and limited them but we still got up the park and had opportunities ourselves. A shocker from the goalie then poor defending from the centre halves and the game was done though. Thought the issue was quality (both boxes) rather than tactical today.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I’ll buck the trend here. :greengrin
Up until their first goal went in I thought we were doing OK. I didn’t see any lack of desire up until that point though the technical superiority of the Sevco players was self evident. It’s not a lack of spine for me, too many players in the squad simply aren’t good enough and that needs urgently addressed.
Spot on for me. And the problem all season has been now that LJ has found his strongest eleven, there's no subs he can make at all that can come on and improve us.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I’ll buck the trend here. :greengrin
Up until their first goal went in I thought we were doing OK. I didn’t see any lack of desire up until that point though the technical superiority of the Sevco players was self evident. It’s not a lack of spine for me, too many players in the squad simply aren’t good enough and that needs urgently addressed.

:agree::agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

How I miss when Lennon had us fired up for old firm games.

Wouldn’t always go our way but the players usually looked like they knew what it meant.

This lot would be an embarrassment in the qualifiers should Celtic manage to do us a favour. I’m banking on st mirren pipping us anyway.

LJ will get until about October I reckon before hibs axe will fall.

Big numbers out, squad is dire!

Was just the st Johnstones etc he couldn't beat, with miles better players than now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Spot on for me. And the problem all season has been now that LJ has found his strongest eleven, there's no subs he can make at all that can come on and improve us.

Agree with that.

We have a best 11. After that, no matter how bad the first 11 is playing, we know the subs won’t improve things.

[LewysGot2]

Agree with that.

We have a best 11. After that, no matter how bad the first 11 is playing, we know the subs won’t improve things.

God we miss Boyle.

[BILLYHIBS]

Unacceptable for me

Huns didn’t have to win but won without breaking sweat

Do Hibs want or are ready for European football ?

Probably just as well as our squad looks miles off it

[Pagan Hibernia]

Was just the st Johnstones etc he couldn't beat, with miles better players than now.

in fairness, we had a problem with St Johnstone for about 4 years. It cost Jack Ross two trophies.

[keep the faith]

Unfortunately LJ will have done just enough to keep his job going into next season. I’m afraid he’s a poor manager and we will struggle to progress under his leadership

Can't disagree more. Keep the head and I am certain we are moving in the right direction.

[number9dream]

Unacceptable for me

Huns didn’t have to win but won without breaking sweat

Do Hibs want or are ready for European football ?

Probably just as well as our squad looks miles off it

Without some major surgery, there’s every chance we ‘do a Motherwell’ and get humiliated in the second qualifying round if we scrape into 5th.

14 wins from 36 league games is feeble and not likely to be improved upon over the closing two fixtures.

I can’t take to this manager at all, but I guess he’s going to be around a while longer. The DoF certainly has his work cut out, unloading a whole load of dross on decent contracts and finding at least 5/6 first team ready upgrades…

[DIXIHIBS]

There is a flatness about the whole club not just the team today. We had a chance to push for euro place today...against the huns...and the place was dead. Im not having a go at the fans as we have turned up in big numbers at times despite the poor onfield performances but the whole club needs a lift and im not sure where its going to come from.

[Tyler Durden]

Today is not on Lee Johnson IMO. In the majority of games against the OF this season, very few players have come off the field with pass marks. The likes of Jeggo and Campbell continually fail to make simple passes.
Youan and Nisbet have missed multiple good chances. And our keeper has cost us at least 4 very avoidable goals.

There have been some tactical failures earlier in the season but not today. It’s just a lack of bottle and quality from too many players. Something that isn’t Johnson’s responsibility.

We need to give him a chance to clear some of the crap out and bring in his own players.

[Cod Boy]

Training match for rangers

[WhileTheChief..]

How I miss when Lennon had us fired up for old firm games.

Wouldn’t always go our way but the players usually looked like they knew what it meant.

This lot would be an embarrassment in the qualifiers should Celtic manage to do us a favour. I’m banking on st mirren pipping us anyway.

LJ will get until about October I reckon before hibs axe will fall.

Big numbers out, squad is dire!


Totally agree.

Remember ER for the last couple of games against Killie and Rangers that season?? 5-3 and 5-5. Amazing scenes, with ER bouncing and a genuine buzz around the club, full of excitement.

Compare that to now. We’ve barely experienced anything close to that sort of atmosphere at ER since then.

The football has been mostly crap or boring since then and ER is almost always like a library. There’s just nothing about us.

[Brightside]

Then only alone is Lewis and Paul. We are screwed without them.

[Smartie]

Today is not on Lee Johnson IMO. In the majority of games against the OF this season, very few players have come off the field with pass marks. The likes of Jeggo and Campbell continually fail to make simple passes.
Youan and Nisbet have missed multiple good chances. And our keeper has cost us at least 4 very avoidable goals.

There have been some tactical failures earlier in the season but not today. It’s just a lack of bottle and quality from too many players. Something that isn’t Johnson’s responsibility.

We need to give him a chance to clear some of the crap out and bring in his own players.

The tactics etc end up becoming a criticism but the goals changed the game.

We weathered a bit of pressure then grew into the game before being undone by a shocking goalkeeping blunder.

When criticising the tactics folk suggest stuff like dominating the midfield against a stronger team with a much bigger budget. That’s never really on the cards. The best we can do is remain disciplined, not make mistakes and capitalise on the chances when they come our way. We were undone by the lack of quality in key positions at key moments.

If we were to play the game again tomorrow I don’t know if I’d want Johnson to do it any differently, even with hindsight telling us it didn’t get the result we needed.

[B.H.F.C]

The tactics etc end up becoming a criticism but the goals changed the game.

We weathered a bit of pressure then grew into the game before being undone by a shocking goalkeeping blunder.

When criticising the tactics folk suggest stuff like dominating the midfield against a stronger team with a much bigger budget. That’s never really on the cards. The best we can do is remain disciplined, not make mistakes and capitalise on the chances when they come our way. We were undone by the lack of quality in key positions at key moments.

If we were to play the game again tomorrow I don’t know if I’d want Johnson to do it any differently, even with hindsight telling us it didn’t get the result we needed.

I largely agree, I don’t think we lost due to anything we did or didn’t do tactically today. It was all about the first goal today and it was shocking to lose it the way we did. Even at that, I don’t think our reaction to that was too bad, we should have been back level. Reaction to the second goal totally different. We just don’t have enough good players, simple as that for me.

[Nicho87]

Was just the st Johnstones etc he couldn't beat, with miles better players than now.

Every team has a bogey team so slightly disagree

I think 9/10 hibs fans would much rather watch that brand of football to what’s been on offer this season.

Fans are becoming tired of all talk from the manager now.

He also said in his pre match interview we’re going to get at them from the off. Never happened and the players looked like they were lethargic

[ancient hibee]

The tactics etc end up becoming a criticism but the goals changed the game.

We weathered a bit of pressure then grew into the game before being undone by a shocking goalkeeping blunder.

When criticising the tactics folk suggest stuff like dominating the midfield against a stronger team with a much bigger budget. That’s never really on the cards. The best we can do is remain disciplined, not make mistakes and capitalise on the chances when they come our way. We were undone by the lack of quality in key positions at key moments.

If we were to play the game again tomorrow I don’t know if I’d want Johnson to do it any differently, even with hindsight telling us it didn’t get the result we needed.

Spot on. Rangers spent a lot of time on the ball but after the initial flurry spent a lot of it shuttling the ball about in front of our defence and were beginning to be stretched a bit when we countered. The goal was an appalling bit of sleep walking by such an experienced goalie.Even then he got to the ball and should have done better. Another poor incident was when the ball was played out to Cadden giving him a clear run and the edge on the back.He let it bounce past him for a shy. They’ve got to be at it 100% of the time against the OF .It’s not only the levels of skill-ours will always be lower-but the necessity to keep focused.Although unlikely that could have been a 1-1 today. As for being spineless -no prizes for guessing who would be the posters.

[BILLYHIBS]

Spot on. Rangers spent a lot of time on the ball but after the initial flurry spent a lot of it shuttling the ball about in front of our defence and were beginning to be stretched a bit when we countered. The goal was an appalling bit of sleep walking by such an experienced goalie.Even then he got to the ball and should have done better. Another poor incident was when the ball was played out to Cadden giving him a clear run and the edge on the back.He let it bounce past him for a shy. They’ve got to be at it 100% of the time against the OF .It’s not only the levels of skill-ours will always be lower-but the necessity to keep focused.Although unlikely that could have been a 1-1 today. As for being spineless -no prizes for guessing who would be the posters.

Hmmm !

I was right behind the Cadden incident and no way was he controlling that

The ball was hit at him too fiercely and took a bad bounce as it skimmed off the wet surface and out for a throw in

Two feet along from me today sat Alex Edwards oh for a player like that today who seemed to take into account conditions for his precision perfectly weighted passes

More to the point a common denominator in recent games is the amount of wastefulness and wrong choices being made by our forwards anytime we are on the front foot time and time again by the same culprits

Something I am sure might have been worked on at Training long before now

The horse has truly bolted

Frustrating as…. !

[McGruber]

Today is not on Lee Johnson IMO. In the majority of games against the OF this season, very few players have come off the field with pass marks. The likes of Jeggo and Campbell continually fail to make simple passes.
Youan and Nisbet have missed multiple good chances. And our keeper has cost us at least 4 very avoidable goals.

There have been some tactical failures earlier in the season but not today. It’s just a lack of bottle and quality from too many players. Something that isn’t Johnson’s responsibility.

We need to give him a chance to clear some of the crap out and bring in his own players.

These are his own players

[superfurryhibby]

Haven't really read the thread but my tuppence worth was that we were competing well enough first half. The goal was a poor one to lose and that set us back. The second half was more them in control, although if Nisbet's header had gone in, the game momentum changes.

Rangers were decent, as they were in the 1-4 game. Good movement, technically more able, some neat passing. That's what happens when you play a side where man for man they are better in every position on the pitch (more or less).
I thought we battled hard, lacked quality and had some players very much off the boil. It was an easy victory for them, but it wasn't tragic.

[Pagan Hibernia]

There is a flatness about the whole club not just the team today. We had a chance to push for euro place today...against the huns...and the place was dead. Im not having a go at the fans as we have turned up in big numbers at times despite the poor onfield performances but the whole club needs a lift and im not sure where its going to come from.

it was a disappointing atmosphere today, and I’ve no idea why.

the derby win a few weeks ago was a real feel good moment and I’d hoped it would trigger a bit more life around Hibs but as you say it’s all very flat. Someone pointed out correctly on the other thread about rangers fans that our club has made it as difficult as possible to get the Easter Road atmosphere to its full potential. I’d have to agree with that. Place is dead most weeks.

[Donegal Hibby]

How I miss when Lennon had us fired up for old firm games.

Wouldn’t always go our way but the players usually looked like they knew what it meant.

This lot would be an embarrassment in the qualifiers should Celtic manage to do us a favour. I’m banking on st mirren pipping us anyway.

LJ will get until about October I reckon before hibs axe will fall.

Big numbers out, squad is dire!
Big difference in the old firm lennon faced compared to the current old firm . Lennon also took over a very good Stubbs team that deteriorated badly under his management before he blew a fuse and left in a unpleasant way . Football towards the end was pretty poor as well . Went back to parkhead and spent over £30 million pounds on building a team that fell apart on 10 in a row . Celtic pal said he couldn't build a house out of Lego never mind a team .

Still think we will finish 5th btw 👍

[Pagan Hibernia]

Big difference in the old firm lennon faced compared to the current old firm . Lennon also took over a very good Stubbs team that deteriorated badly under his management before he blew a fuse and left in a unpleasant way . Football towards the end was pretty poor as well . Went back to parkhead and spent over £30 million pounds on building a team that fell apart on 10 in a row . Celtic pal said he couldn't build a house out of Lego never mind a team .

Still think we will finish 5th btw 👍

that’s not a great rangers team that beat us today.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

that’s not a great rangers team that beat us today.

That rangers team today is shambolic, let’s be candid about it. They’re *****, they’ve not laid a glove on Celtic in any game that matters this season, they’ve struggled in plenty other games too. They were there for the taking and the Hibernian players shrunk today, again. They cowered, shrunk and shat themselves. Hibs class? Doesn’t exist and hasn’t for a long time, this club is in a mess and it’s a mentality issue. I can accept losing if we have a right go and get into those dirty horrible hun **** *****, that didn’t happen today. They shat it.


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[Percy Vere]

Ok
Once again
We’ve been missing key creative players all season.
Yes the performance wasn’t great but weirdly we could’ve taken something had we got a rub of the green.
Looking at subs bench before the game, it’s pretty poor. No impact players to bring on. Our strength in depth just isn’t there.
So key transfer window coming up. Shift a few players who just don’t make the grade and bring in quality, or at least the best we can attract!
With Boyle Magennis and Mcgeady (if they can stay fit) and a few new faces we’ve got the makings of a very good side.
Believe.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Ok
Once again
We’ve been missing key creative players all season.
Yes the performance wasn’t great but weirdly we could’ve taken something had we got a rub of the green.
Looking at subs bench before the game, it’s pretty poor. No impact players to bring on. Our strength in depth just isn’t there.
So key transfer window coming up. Shift a few players who just don’t make the grade and bring in quality, or at least the best we can attract!
With Boyle Magennis and Mcgeady (if they can stay fit) and a few new faces we’ve got the makings of a very good side.
Believe.

I’m a big fan of Geads, I’ve made that clear in the past. He’s done. Im gutted to say it but he’s done.


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[Nicho87]

The fact fans are still saying once we get Magennis and McGeady fit I find truly baffling.

It’s not cruel to say but Magennis hasn’t managed one full season with hibs, not even half a season playing Saturday, Saturday.

McGeady is 36/37

These are the exact type of players we have to cut our losses or if the manager is solely focused on them negotiate new contracts because hibs as a business aren’t getting their side of the contract.

Clear the dead wood and have a squad of 16/17 players that can all make a difference in a first 11.

What we have just now is 16/17 players that are average and inconsistent.

Too many players under Kensell were negotiated contracts that gave security that were fully not deserving.

JDH
Henderson
Newell
Cadden

The final 2 I can understand but only just.

Hague
Melkerson
Cabraja
Devlin (seeing as LJ won’t play him)
Campbell
Henderson
Tavares
Delfierre
McKirdy
Doidge
Hoppe
Jeggo
Nisbet (will be sold)
Magennis
McGeady

All players who we should be actively looking to move on who haven’t contributed anything or deemed not good enough imo.

Big big summer and potentially LJs last chance as he won’t see Christmas if we have another streaky run at the start of the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hague
Melkerson
Cabraja
Devlin (seeing as LJ won’t play him)
Campbell
Henderson
Tavares
Delfierre
McKirdy
Doidge
Hoppe
Jeggo
Nisbet (will be sold)
Magennis
McGeady

Throw in Marshall and Myko who I wouldn’t bother attempting to sign and it’s a damning indictment of our current squad. That would be 17 players who we should be ideally getting rid of.

I’d be looking to use Hanlon and Boyle as a base to start from and to re-sign Fish. After that I genuinely would like to see us sign a whole new starting 11 (although I realise that won’t happen).

[DIXIHIBS]

That rangers team today is shambolic, let’s be candid about it. They’re *****, they’ve not laid a glove on Celtic in any game that matters this season, they’ve struggled in plenty other games too. They were there for the taking and the Hibernian players shrunk today, again. They cowered, shrunk and shat themselves. Hibs class? Doesn’t exist and hasn’t for a long time, this club is in a mess and it’s a mentality issue. I can accept losing if we have a right go and get into those dirty horrible hun **** *****, that didn’t happen today. They shat it.


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Lets be candid...that rangers team is not shambolic. They are clearly behind celtic (not including the 3-0 last week) but they are miles ahead of everyone else in our league. Last game at ER..4-1?...they could have put 6/7 past us. I hate the hun as much as the next hibbie but shambolic...nah.

[Forza Fred]

That rangers team today is shambolic, let’s be candid about it. They’re *****, they’ve not laid a glove on Celtic in any game that matters this season, they’ve struggled in plenty other games too. They were there for the taking and the Hibernian players shrunk today, again. They cowered, shrunk and shat themselves. Hibs class? Doesn’t exist and hasn’t for a long time, this club is in a mess and it’s a mentality issue. I can accept losing if we have a right go and get into those dirty horrible hun **** *****, that didn’t happen today. They shat it.


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Shambolic?

They are currently 40, yes 40 points in front of us on the league table.

That's shambolic?

Wish we were shambolic then!

[Hibernian Verse]

The Lennon patter is terrible. He wouldn't have us any closer to this current Rangers or Celtic team. My reasoning? Here's the Rangers team we drew 5-5 with.

Alnwick
Tavernier
Bates
Martin
Halliday
Holt
Rossiter
Candeias
Goss
Murphy
Cummings

Rangers are back to where they were pre-death and that's just how it is.

[superfurryhibby]

Shambolic?

They are currently 40, yes 40 points in front of us on the league table.

That's shambolic?

Wish we were shambolic then!

There's a lot of hysteria on here after yesterday. Reality and objectivity is distinctly lacking in some of the attempts at dissecting the game. Of course the erse cheeks will have off days v the canon fodder occasionally but they are miles ahead.

[One Day Soon]

Things that need to be fixed urgently:

McGeady and Magennis - We are chasing a pipe dream if we believe these two are going to be fit and regular starters for us. Hasn't happened before now, isn't going to happen in the future. This summer we need to get real about recruitment and retention and there just isn't any room for either sentimentality or self -deception. Any club willing to spend the money can employ really good non-playing players. It's not wise.

Easter Road - It's pretty routinely now neutered of atmosphere. Passionless generally and my view is the support tends to reflect the team on the park and the leadership from the club.

Squad - Absolutely choc full of average makeweights. It needs gutted.

First team - Needs two full backs, a playmaker in midfield, two further new midfielders and a goal scorer. Minimum. Perhaps also a keeper. It also needs more pace throughout.

Captain - We need an outfield captain who can actually lead on the park.

Youth - If they are rarely given their chance what is the point of having them? Somehow we need to be blooding them.

Aggression - Johnson promised us a high-tempo high-press style of football and before this season even began he stated that he had the players to do it. We have never yet seen any evidence of that being delivered. The financial gulf between us and some other clubs means they have the technical advantage from player quality across their squads. That should not be the case in terms of fitness and strength. Even the ****tiest of teams is advantaged by being able to press effectively to make it harder for their opponents to play on their own terms. For me this is one of Johnson's biggest single failings - and I think he has many of those.

Mentality - We have little to no arrogance, there is no Fortress Easter Road and the streaky nature of our results means every other team knows that playing us is a game of roulette. Our first team doesn't look like a tough, competent resilient unit that has each other's backs.

Soft Touch - This perception and unfortunately, I think, reality starts from the top down. If the club won't call out stuff like the crap that went on all day in the away end yesterday - let alone take any of the action available at its own hand - then what message is it sending to its own support and other clubs and authorities?

Direction - Where are we trying to go? I struggle to discern what the plan is or even see much evidence that we are progressing.

Right, that'll do for me. To think I used to be a fervent Happy Clapper just a few short years ago. The change either says something about me or something about the club in recent years...

[WhileTheChief..]

If we’re not going to play our own young players, we should scrap the entire youth setup and put all the money from it into signing the best young players from around the country, similar to John McGinn.

Let other clubs develop them instead of us spending the money. We’re lucky if we get one decent player every couple of seasons doing what we’re doing. Let’s try something different.

[Dashing Bob S]

The fact fans are still saying once we get Magennis and McGeady fit I find truly baffling.

It’s not cruel to say but Magennis hasn’t managed one full season with hibs, not even half a season playing Saturday, Saturday.

McGeady is 36/37

These are the exact type of players we have to cut our losses or if the manager is solely focused on them negotiate new contracts because hibs as a business aren’t getting their side of the contract.

Clear the dead wood and have a squad of 16/17 players that can all make a difference in a first 11.

What we have just now is 16/17 players that are average and inconsistent.

Too many players under Kensell were negotiated contracts that gave security that were fully not deserving.

JDH
Henderson
Newell
Cadden

The final 2 I can understand but only just.

Hague
Melkerson
Cabraja
Devlin (seeing as LJ won’t play him)
Campbell
Henderson
Tavares
Delfierre
McKirdy
Doidge
Hoppe
Jeggo
Nisbet (will be sold)
Magennis
McGeady

All players who we should be actively looking to move on who haven’t contributed anything or deemed not good enough imo.

Big big summer and potentially LJs last chance as he won’t see Christmas if we have another streaky run at the start of the season.

Spot on. Ludicrous to hang our hopes on the two McG’s. How much time will they see in a Hibs jersey next season? I’d be stunned if it was much of an improvement on this term.

[flash]

If we’re not going to play our own young players, we should scrap the entire youth setup and put all the money from it into signing the best young players from around the country, similar to John McGinn.

Let other clubs develop them instead of us spending the money. We’re lucky if we get one decent player every couple of seasons doing what we’re doing. Let’s try something different.

I have thought that for years.

Let other clubs do the hard work then cherry pick their best young talent.

[flash]

Things that need to be fixed urgently:

McGeady and Magennis - We are chasing a pipe dream if we believe these two are going to be fit and regular starters for us. Hasn't happened before now, isn't going to happen in the future. This summer we need to get real about recruitment and retention and there just isn't any room for either sentimentality or self -deception. Any club willing to spend the money can employ really good non-playing players. It's not wise.

Easter Road - It's pretty routinely now neutered of atmosphere. Passionless generally and my view is the support tends to reflect the team on the park and the leadership from the club.

Squad - Absolutely choc full of average makeweights. It needs gutted.

First team - Needs two full backs, a playmaker in midfield, two further new midfielders and a goal scorer. Minimum. Perhaps also a keeper. It also needs more pace throughout.

Captain - We need an outfield captain who can actually lead on the park.

Youth - If they are rarely given their chance what is the point of having them? Somehow we need to be blooding them.

Aggression - Johnson promised us a high-tempo high-press style of football and before this season even began he stated that he had the players to do it. We have never yet seen any evidence of that being delivered. The financial gulf between us and some other clubs means they have the technical advantage from player quality across their squads. That should not be the case in terms of fitness and strength. Even the ****tiest of teams is advantaged by being able to press effectively to make it harder for their opponents to play on their own terms. For me this is one of Johnson's biggest single failings - and I think he has many of those.

Mentality - We have little to no arrogance, there is no Fortress Easter Road and the streaky nature of our results means every other team knows that playing us is a game of roulette. Our first team doesn't look like a tough, competent resilient unit that has each other's backs.

Soft Touch - This perception and unfortunately, I think, reality starts from the top down. If the club won't call out stuff like the crap that went on all day in the away end yesterday - let alone take any of the action available at its own hand - then what message is it sending to its own support and other clubs and authorities?

Direction - Where are we trying to go? I struggle to discern what the plan is or even see much evidence that we are progressing.

Right, that'll do for me. To think I used to be a fervent Happy Clapper just a few short years ago. The change either says something about me or something about the club in recent years...

Quite how we have managed to pick up a solitary point this season with that list of weaknesses is baffling.

Or maybe that's exactly how everybody outside the Old Firm is.

[One Day Soon]

Quite how we have managed to pick up a solitary point this season with that list of weaknesses is baffling.

Or maybe that's exactly how everybody outside the Old Firm is.

It's a ***** league. Paradoxically that means some basic competence in club and team management could have taken us a long way. We are now paying the price for serial mismanagement in preceding years and for pretty insipid management under the current set up. I could be wrong of course but all of the elements I've outlined above are in dire need of improvement and many of them are far from being rocket science.

[RossScott1991]

Hague
Melkerson
Cabraja
Devlin (seeing as LJ won’t play him)
Campbell
Henderson
Tavares
Delfierre
McKirdy
Doidge
Hoppe
Jeggo
Nisbet (will be sold)
Magennis
McGeady

To add to the list above I’d also put

Jake Doyle-Hayes, falls into the Henderson category for me. Weak and contributes very little when on the park.

Newell and Campbell are our 2 best midfielders but even then I wouldn’t have them both always starting. Squad players.

The list is endless. The squad is dire, far too many lightweight and average footballers.

It’s going to take some massive turnaround to get most of them out the club also.

But what worries me is after the derby win Johnson said he’d like to keep the group together. If he does he will be sacked by October / November.

These guys are simply not good enough and many have had it too easy at Hibs for years.

We need midfielders that can score and create , not flash ponys who play neat and tidy sideways passes most weeks.

The drop in quality and character from Hibs since 2016 gradually has been huge. This current lot look beat every time they go behind in a game.

Please get rid of as many as you can this summer LJ.

[500miles]

I disagree it was spineless. Gameplan went out the window with Marshall's error, but we kept competing, missed a couple of good chances and then lost a goal from a break of the ball and made stupid changes.

[Hibernian Verse]

That rangers team today is shambolic, let’s be candid about it. They’re *****, they’ve not laid a glove on Celtic in any game that matters this season, they’ve struggled in plenty other games too. They were there for the taking and the Hibernian players shrunk today, again. They cowered, shrunk and shat themselves. Hibs class? Doesn’t exist and hasn’t for a long time, this club is in a mess and it’s a mentality issue. I can accept losing if we have a right go and get into those dirty horrible hun **** *****, that didn’t happen today. They shat it.


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Since Beale took over, Rangers have taken more points than Celtic.

[basehibby]

No other words for it, we were embarrassing.thought it was an end of season game the way we played, why did the manager not change shape after 10 minutes,everyone in the crowd could see weeere being overrun


We must have been at a completely different game as that's not what I saw at all.

We set out to take the game to Rangers and succeeded in that right up until their 1st goal - had a few chances to take the lead but did not.

Marshall then fluffed his lines at the free kick and things became much more difficult although Hibs kept going and were unlucky not to equalise before half time.

2nd half was more Rangers and they deserved their win in the end, but at no time in the game was the Hibs' performance "embarassing" and at no point were we "overrun". We were only trully out of the game after they scored their third 5 minutes from the end - creating chances right up to the end, one of which Hanlon scored from.

What I saw bares absolutely zero resemblence to the capitulation you describe. The stats would suggest that my version is a lot closer to reality.

[MWHIBBIES]

That rangers team today is shambolic, let’s be candid about it. They’re *****, they’ve not laid a glove on Celtic in any game that matters this season, they’ve struggled in plenty other games too. They were there for the taking and the Hibernian players shrunk today, again. They cowered, shrunk and shat themselves. Hibs class? Doesn’t exist and hasn’t for a long time, this club is in a mess and it’s a mentality issue. I can accept losing if we have a right go and get into those dirty horrible hun **** *****, that didn’t happen today. They shat it.


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Rangers are miles better than this Hibs side. Saying anything else is daft. If they turn up against us, they win 99/100.

[Itsnoteasy]

Rangers are miles better than this Hibs side. Saying anything else is daft. If they turn up against us, they win 99/100.

That's why we've not beaten them at ER for a while unfortunately.

[B.H.F.C]

We must have been at a completely different game as that's not what I saw at all.

We set out to take the game to Rangers and succeeded in that right up until their 1st goal - had a few chances to take the lead but did not.

Marshall then fluffed his lines at the free kick and things became much more difficult although Hibs kept going and were unlucky not to equalise before half time.

2nd half was more Rangers and they deserved their win in the end, but at no time in the game was the Hibs' performance "embarassing" and at no point were we "overrun". We were only trully out of the game after they scored their third 5 minutes from the end - creating chances right up to the end, one of which Hanlon scored from.

What I saw bares absolutely zero resemblence to the capitulation you describe. The stats would suggest that my version is a lot closer to reality.

I thought we played well up until the second goal. Thought we chucked the towel in after that though.

Marshall gifted them a goal and the defending for the second was crap. Couple that with not making the most of the good positions we found ourselves in and it just summed this season up for me.

[Tully]

We must have been at a completely different game as that's not what I saw at all.

We set out to take the game to Rangers and succeeded in that right up until their 1st goal - had a few chances to take the lead but did not.

Marshall then fluffed his lines at the free kick and things became much more difficult although Hibs kept going and were unlucky not to equalise before half time.

2nd half was more Rangers and they deserved their win in the end, but at no time in the game was the Hibs' performance "embarassing" and at no point were we "overrun". We were only trully out of the game after they scored their third 5 minutes from the end - creating chances right up to the end, one of which Hanlon scored from.

What I saw bares absolutely zero resemblence to the capitulation you describe. The stats would suggest that my version is a lot closer to reality.

If your happy with that kind of performance fair do,s but I expected a high energy in there faces performance as we had a lot to play for, but maybe I expected to much and hopefully we might see that on Wednesday against celtic, let's be honest never going to match them for ability but we can match them for effort

[Basildon Hibs]

Hague
Melkerson
Cabraja
Devlin (seeing as LJ won’t play him)
Campbell
Henderson
Tavares
Delfierre
McKirdy
Doidge
Hoppe
Jeggo
Nisbet (will be sold)
Magennis
McGeady

To add to the list above I’d also put

Jake Doyle-Hayes, falls into the Henderson category for me. Weak and contributes very little when on the park.

Newell and Campbell are our 2 best midfielders but even then I wouldn’t have them both always starting. Squad players.

The list is endless. The squad is dire, far too many lightweight and average footballers.

It’s going to take some massive turnaround to get most of them out the club also.

But what worries me is after the derby win Johnson said he’d like to keep the group together. If he does he will be sacked by October / November.

These guys are simply not good enough and many have had it too easy at Hibs for years.

We need midfielders that can score and create , not flash ponys who play neat and tidy sideways passes most weeks.

The drop in quality and character from Hibs since 2016 gradually has been huge. This current lot look beat every time they go behind in a game.

Please get rid of as many as you can this summer LJ.

Let's also get rid of LJ..

[superfurryhibby]

If your happy with that kind of performance fair do,s but I expected a high energy in there faces performance as we had a lot to play for, but maybe I expected to much and hopefully we might see that on Wednesday against celtic, let's be honest never going to match them for ability but we can match them for effort

There was no shortage of effort, merely a shortage of skill.

[NAE NOOKIE]

If we’re not going to play our own young players, we should scrap the entire youth setup and put all the money from it into signing the best young players from around the country, similar to John McGinn.

Let other clubs develop them instead of us spending the money. We’re lucky if we get one decent player every couple of seasons doing what we’re doing. Let’s try something different.

Its hard to disagree with this. I watched our under 19 team, who have been up there all season against their peers, give Borussia Dortmund's lot a pretty hard game ... you aint going to be at that club unless you have a fair bit of potential, so for us to compete with them showed we have a few decent players in that age group. But if that is the case why the hell hasn't a single one of them been risked ( if that's the word ) in any meaningful game? Sure O'Connor was given a few minutes against Aberdeen, but by then we were 4 or 5 goals up.

When you give any young player his first spot in the starting XI of course you are taking a chance, but that goes for absolutely every young player at every club who has gone on to have a good, or sometimes great, career. With the exception of obvious world class talents like Maradona, Messie, Ronaldo etc you are always taking the risk that they weren't as ready as you thought they were, or that the occasion might be too much for them for the first few outings.

The standout in that lot according to folk who had watched them and from what I saw against Dortmund was Ethan Laidlaw, but he has refused a new contract. Sure you could say his head was turned by better offers, but would those better offers have been so attractive if what seems to be the fact that no matter how well they show up none of our youth players have any chance of getting onto the pitch for the first team hadn't been in play?

So yeh ... if you spend all season bumming up what a talented bunch of youngsters we have and then don't give even the best of them a shot at the first team, what the actual **** is the point of even having a youth set up that the club clearly spends a lot of money on? We might as well sack half the coaching staff at East Mains, do away with every team below under 23 level and spend all that saved money poaching the best young talent from any club dumb enough to open the door to us.

In fact, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the situation with the youngsters galvanised Steve Kean to take the job in Georgia ..... he probably looked at the good job he had been doing for absolutely no reward vis a vis any of his youngsters getting a game and thought 'why the hell am I even bothering? .. cheerio Hibs'

[McGruber]

Its hard to disagree with this. I watched our under 19 team, who have been up there all season against their peers, give Borussia Dortmund's lot a pretty hard game ... you aint going to be at that club unless you have a fair bit of potential, so for us to compete with them showed we have a few decent players in that age group. But if that is the case why the hell hasn't a single one of them been risked ( if that's the word ) in any meaningful game? Sure O'Connor was given a few minutes against Aberdeen, but by then we were 4 or 5 goals up.

When you give any young player his first spot in the starting XI of course you are taking a chance, but that goes for absolutely every young player at every club who has gone on to have a good, or sometimes great, career. With the exception of obvious world class talents like Maradona, Messie, Ronaldo etc you are always taking the risk that they weren't as ready as you thought they were, or that the occasion might be too much for them for the first few outings.

The standout in that lot according to folk who had watched them and from what I saw against Dortmund was Ethan Laidlaw, but he has refused a new contract. Sure you could say his head was turned by better offers, but would those better offers have been so attractive if what seems to be the fact that no matter how well they show up none of our youth players have any chance of getting onto the pitch for the first team hadn't been in play?

So yeh ... if you spend all season bumming up what a talented bunch of youngsters we have and then don't give even the best of them a shot at the first team, what the actual **** is the point of even having a youth set up that the club clearly spends a lot of money on? We might as well sack half the coaching staff at East Mains, do away with every team below under 23 level and spend all that saved money poaching the best young talent from any club dumb enough to open the door to us.

In fact, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the situation with the youngsters galvanised Steve Kean to take the job in Georgia ..... he probably looked at the good job he had been doing for absolutely no reward vis a vis any of his youngsters getting a game and thought 'why the hell am I even bothering? .. cheerio Hibs'

It's massively frustrating. The game where we shoehorned Campbell to right back springs to mind.
The line always rolled out is no matter how well the young players are doing the gap to the first team level is huge.
That isn't going to change though so what is the point. Not to say we don't invest in youth, just in youth from other clubs - someone elses frustrated Ethan Laidlaw or whomever we deem ready. The Brentford model which has been hugely successful for them.
Alternatively, find a manager that is prepared to give youth a chance - Johnson clearly not in that camp

[Nicho87]

I’d much rather see josh oconnor and Ethan laidlaw coming on chasing a goal than hoppe and mckirdy.

Remember when riordan and oconnor with brown all playing together in their early days. It was a complete breath of fresh air. Raw, hungry and willing.

[Tyler Durden]

Its hard to disagree with this. I watched our under 19 team, who have been up there all season against their peers, give Borussia Dortmund's lot a pretty hard game ... you aint going to be at that club unless you have a fair bit of potential, so for us to compete with them showed we have a few decent players in that age group. But if that is the case why the hell hasn't a single one of them been risked ( if that's the word ) in any meaningful game? Sure O'Connor was given a few minutes against Aberdeen, but by then we were 4 or 5 goals up.

When you give any young player his first spot in the starting XI of course you are taking a chance, but that goes for absolutely every young player at every club who has gone on to have a good, or sometimes great, career. With the exception of obvious world class talents like Maradona, Messie, Ronaldo etc you are always taking the risk that they weren't as ready as you thought they were, or that the occasion might be too much for them for the first few outings.

The standout in that lot according to folk who had watched them and from what I saw against Dortmund was Ethan Laidlaw, but he has refused a new contract. Sure you could say his head was turned by better offers, but would those better offers have been so attractive if what seems to be the fact that no matter how well they show up none of our youth players have any chance of getting onto the pitch for the first team hadn't been in play?

So yeh ... if you spend all season bumming up what a talented bunch of youngsters we have and then don't give even the best of them a shot at the first team, what the actual **** is the point of even having a youth set up that the club clearly spends a lot of money on? We might as well sack half the coaching staff at East Mains, do away with every team below under 23 level and spend all that saved money poaching the best young talent from any club dumb enough to open the door to us.

In fact, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the situation with the youngsters galvanised Steve Kean to take the job in Georgia ..... he probably looked at the good job he had been doing for absolutely no reward vis a vis any of his youngsters getting a game and thought 'why the hell am I even bothering? .. cheerio Hibs'

Steve Kean has been interviewed on SSN this morning from Georgia. He said that he felt Hibs would soon have a good bunch of players ready for the first team and was proud of their work.

However he emphasised that part of his job was to be brutally honest (his words) and tell the manager when players were not yet ready. And that it was crucial that you don't throw them in too early and scar them.

Straight from the horses mouth - most of the players just are not ready yet.

[Blaster]

Steve Kean has been interviewed on SSN this morning from Georgia. He said that he felt Hibs would soon have a good bunch of players ready for the first team and was proud of their work.

However he emphasised that part of his job was to be brutally honest (his words) and tell the manager when players were not yet ready. And that it was crucial that you don't throw them in too early and scar them.

Straight from the horses mouth - most of the players just are not ready yet.

Just saw that as well. Basically said they all needed more development games first

[flash]

Going by that interview, and he has no reason to lie, there was no problem at all at the Hibs end, he simply wanted to get back managing again.
All seems reasonable enough.

[allezsauzee]

I would disagree that it was spineless, no lack of effort and I thought it was a big improvement on the last time we played them at ER when they could have easily have had 6 or 7 . The bottom line is that the players are not good enough to compete with Celtic or Rangers due to the poor recruitment in recent seasons. This summer transfer window is going to be huge if we want to close the gap.

[Hibernian Verse]

I would disagree that it was spineless, no lack of effort and I thought it was a big improvement on the last time we played them at ER when they could have easily have had 6 or 7 . The bottom line is that the players are not good enough to compete with Celtic or Rangers due to the poor recruitment in recent seasons. This summer transfer window is going to be huge if we want to close the gap.

There is no way any club will close the gap next season. The gap will only widen.

[superfurryhibby]

There is no way any club will close the gap next season. The gap will only widen.

Tend to agree. It would be interested to see analysis of results v the erse cheeks for all SPFL team over the past three seasons. The average points taken tally say over the past twelve league games/club . It would be similar for all teams (I'm guessing).

Alternatively, consider the points gap between league winners and third place, the gulf must surely be on a steadily widening trajectory over many seasons.

[allezsauzee]

There is no way any club will close the gap next season. The gap will only widen.

Not if we have a team that was better than the rest of the league and consistently beat all the other teams. There's another 90 points to fight for even if we lost all 8 games against Celtic and Rangers.

[Smartie]

In the early 90s, in the early Champions league days, Rangers would rub shoulders with the best in Europe. They’d win “battle of Britain” games against the Champions of England then come back up the road and Geebsie and Tam McIntyre would give Hateley and McCoist as tough a game as they could expect against the best on the continent.

Both Hibs and Rangers have regressed from that position but our regression from there has been much steeper.

I’m just not going to put folk like Cantwell or Sakala on any sort of pedestal. Does McRorie deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as Goram, Klos or peak McGregor? How many times does Tavernier’s defensive vulnerability need to be exposed?

The reason we’re miles behind them is because we’ve spend 3 years or so wasting our budget on absolute garbage, retaining substandard players and approaching these games in a defeatist manner.

We need to get our house in order. If we do, these games become more competitive. Rangers’ budget is bigger but it almost doesn’t matter. We should still expect tough games from well organised, well run teams with a fraction of our budget and so should they.

The white flag pish needs to go.

That’s not to say I expect to dominate them. I expect to compete and occasionally pick up something, the same way that it happens in countries all over the world where gaps in resources exist.

FWIW most Rangers fans I speak to expect a much sterner test from Hibs at Easter Road than they’ve received in recent years.

[SickBoy32]

In the early 90s, in the early Champions league days, Rangers would rub shoulders with the best in Europe. They’d win “battle of Britain” games against the Champions of England then come back up the road and Geebsie and Tam McIntyre would give Hateley and McCoist as tough a game as they could expect against the best on the continent.

Both Hibs and Rangers have regressed from that position but our regression from there has been much steeper.

I’m just not going to put folk like Cantwell or Sakala on any sort of pedestal. Does McRorie deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as Goram, Klos or peak McGregor? How many times does Tavernier’s defensive vulnerability need to be exposed?

The reason we’re miles behind them is because we’ve spend 3 years or so wasting our budget on absolute garbage, retaining substandard players and approaching these games in a defeatist manner.

We need to get our house in order. If we do, these games become more competitive. Rangers’ budget is bigger but it almost doesn’t matter. We should still expect tough games from well organised, well run teams with a fraction of our budget and so should they.

The white flag pish needs to go.

That’s not to say I expect to dominate them. I expect to compete and occasionally pick up something, the same way that it happens in countries all over the world where gaps in resources exist.

FWIW most Rangers fans I speak to expect a much sterner test from Hibs at Easter Road than they’ve received in recent years.

Excellent post - agree with every word

We can, and should, be doing much better in these games

:top marks

[McGruber]

In the early 90s, in the early Champions league days, Rangers would rub shoulders with the best in Europe. They’d win “battle of Britain” games against the Champions of England then come back up the road and Geebsie and Tam McIntyre would give Hateley and McCoist as tough a game as they could expect against the best on the continent.

Both Hibs and Rangers have regressed from that position but our regression from there has been much steeper.

I’m just not going to put folk like Cantwell or Sakala on any sort of pedestal. Does McRorie deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as Goram, Klos or peak McGregor? How many times does Tavernier’s defensive vulnerability need to be exposed?

The reason we’re miles behind them is because we’ve spend 3 years or so wasting our budget on absolute garbage, retaining substandard players and approaching these games in a defeatist manner.

We need to get our house in order. If we do, these games become more competitive. Rangers’ budget is bigger but it almost doesn’t matter. We should still expect tough games from well organised, well run teams with a fraction of our budget and so should they.

The white flag pish needs to go.

That’s not to say I expect to dominate them. I expect to compete and occasionally pick up something, the same way that it happens in countries all over the world where gaps in resources exist.

FWIW most Rangers fans I speak to expect a much sterner test from Hibs at Easter Road than they’ve received in recent years.

Bang on

[One Day Soon]

In the early 90s, in the early Champions league days, Rangers would rub shoulders with the best in Europe. They’d win “battle of Britain” games against the Champions of England then come back up the road and Geebsie and Tam McIntyre would give Hateley and McCoist as tough a game as they could expect against the best on the continent.

Both Hibs and Rangers have regressed from that position but our regression from there has been much steeper.

I’m just not going to put folk like Cantwell or Sakala on any sort of pedestal. Does McRorie deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as Goram, Klos or peak McGregor? How many times does Tavernier’s defensive vulnerability need to be exposed?

The reason we’re miles behind them is because we’ve spend 3 years or so wasting our budget on absolute garbage, retaining substandard players and approaching these games in a defeatist manner.

We need to get our house in order. If we do, these games become more competitive. Rangers’ budget is bigger but it almost doesn’t matter. We should still expect tough games from well organised, well run teams with a fraction of our budget and so should they.

The white flag pish needs to go.

That’s not to say I expect to dominate them. I expect to compete and occasionally pick up something, the same way that it happens in countries all over the world where gaps in resources exist.

FWIW most Rangers fans I speak to expect a much sterner test from Hibs at Easter Road than they’ve received in recent years.


Outstanding post. Absolute bullseye.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I have memories of beating rangers semi regularly in the late 80s and early 90s… and that was with a pretty dire Hibs team.

i was a kid at the time but I definitely remember a few victories. Is my memory playing tricks?

[JimBHibees]

I thought we played well up until the second goal. Thought we chucked the towel in after that though.

Marshall gifted them a goal and the defending for the second was crap. Couple that with not making the most of the good positions we found ourselves in and it just summed this season up for me.

Exactly this. We were fine until first goal and second killed us and when I say us both players and fans. The exodus of fans really is a bit of a joke while appreciating most clubs fans do it. We were fine the last two games and not fine Sunday which mirrors the season. Although the reaction from some disproportionate as per. No doubt will be the same after tonight.

[BILLYHIBS]

In the early 90s, in the early Champions league days, Rangers would rub shoulders with the best in Europe. They’d win “battle of Britain” games against the Champions of England then come back up the road and Geebsie and Tam McIntyre would give Hateley and McCoist as tough a game as they could expect against the best on the continent.

Both Hibs and Rangers have regressed from that position but our regression from there has been much steeper.

I’m just not going to put folk like Cantwell or Sakala on any sort of pedestal. Does McRorie deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as Goram, Klos or peak McGregor? How many times does Tavernier’s defensive vulnerability need to be exposed?

The reason we’re miles behind them is because we’ve spend 3 years or so wasting our budget on absolute garbage, retaining substandard players and approaching these games in a defeatist manner.

We need to get our house in order. If we do, these games become more competitive. Rangers’ budget is bigger but it almost doesn’t matter. We should still expect tough games from well organised, well run teams with a fraction of our budget and so should they.

The white flag pish needs to go.

That’s not to say I expect to dominate them. I expect to compete and occasionally pick up something, the same way that it happens in countries all over the world where gaps in resources exist.

FWIW most Rangers fans I speak to expect a much sterner test from Hibs at Easter Road than they’ve received in recent years.

Nail on the head stuff

Hibs Managers in recent years did not realise that laughable as it may sound Hibs fans always expect to get a result against the Uglies based on precedent

The gap in resources has always been the case but can be bridged by organisation talent and commitment

At least be competitive and leave it all out on the pitch it is not too much to ask

Recent results against them have not been good enough

[superfurryhibby]

Nail on the head stuff

Hibs Managers in recent years did not realise that laughable as it may sound Hibs fans always expect to get a result against the Uglies based on precedent

The gap in resources has always been the case but can be bridged by organisation talent and commitment

At least be competitive and leave it all out on the pitch it is not too much to ask

Recent results against them have not been good enough

Except that they tried to be competitive and clearly did "leave it all out on the pitch", they just weren't good enough.

I wonder how much the perception of us competing better against them, say in the era of Hunter and MacIntyre (a centre back who was often given pelters by fans) is based on reality and how much is just misty eyed perception? I don't remember many wins v Rangers/Celtic in that era, but I do remember 22 in a row and all that pish though.

Our performances against the erse cheeks mirrors our broader decline in the past few years (say since 2018-19 season. Lennon's side had McGinn, McGeouch, Allan, Boyle. Better players. That makes a huge difference.
How many games have the cheeks combined lost against the cannon fodder between them this season? Teams can organise all they want, 9/10 they're all getting humped.

[BILLYHIBS]

Except that they tried to be competitive and clearly did "leave it all out on the pitch", they just weren't good enough.

I wonder how much the perception of us competing better against them, say in the era of Hunter and MacIntyre (a centre back who was often given pelters by fans) is based on reality and how much is just misty eyed perception? I don't remember many wins v Rangers/Celtic in that era, but I do remember 22 in a row and all that pish though.

Our performances against the erse cheeks mirrors our broader decline in the past few years (say since 2018-19 season. Lennon's side had McGinn, McGeouch, Allan, Boyle. Better players. That makes a huge difference.
How many games have the cheeks combined lost against the cannon fodder between them this season? Teams can organise all they want, 9/10 they're all getting humped.

Was thinking about this Superfurry and remember in more recent times Boyler’s hat-trick against The Rangers at Hamdump and an expensively assembled Celtic team hanging on by their finger nails time wasting with 20 minutes to go after cheating their goals in a National Cup Final which is why Hibeees always expect 😀

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[JimBHibees]

In the early 90s, in the early Champions league days, Rangers would rub shoulders with the best in Europe. They’d win “battle of Britain” games against the Champions of England then come back up the road and Geebsie and Tam McIntyre would give Hateley and McCoist as tough a game as they could expect against the best on the continent.

Both Hibs and Rangers have regressed from that position but our regression from there has been much steeper.

I’m just not going to put folk like Cantwell or Sakala on any sort of pedestal. Does McRorie deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as Goram, Klos or peak McGregor? How many times does Tavernier’s defensive vulnerability need to be exposed?

The reason we’re miles behind them is because we’ve spend 3 years or so wasting our budget on absolute garbage, retaining substandard players and approaching these games in a defeatist manner.

We need to get our house in order. If we do, these games become more competitive. Rangers’ budget is bigger but it almost doesn’t matter. We should still expect tough games from well organised, well run teams with a fraction of our budget and so should they.

The white flag pish needs to go.

That’s not to say I expect to dominate them. I expect to compete and occasionally pick up something, the same way that it happens in countries all over the world where gaps in resources exist.

FWIW most Rangers fans I speak to expect a much sterner test from Hibs at Easter Road than they’ve received in recent years.

Great Post.

[Tyler Durden]

Except that they tried to be competitive and clearly did "leave it all out on the pitch", they just weren't good enough.

I wonder how much the perception of us competing better against them, say in the era of Hunter and MacIntyre (a centre back who was often given pelters by fans) is based on reality and how much is just misty eyed perception? I don't remember many wins v Rangers/Celtic in that era, but I do remember 22 in a row and all that pish though.

Our performances against the erse cheeks mirrors our broader decline in the past few years (say since 2018-19 season. Lennon's side had McGinn, McGeouch, Allan, Boyle. Better players. That makes a huge difference.
How many games have the cheeks combined lost against the cannon fodder between them this season? Teams can organise all they want, 9/10 they're all getting humped.

In terms of "leaving it all out on the pitch", I think Sunday was another example where we made countless unforced errors. Not just Marshall but players just failing to make a simple pass, strikers missing great chances etc. This for me is the story of the last few years against the OF. We've not raised our game...the players have shrunk.

If we look at this season, there have been 2 games where we played well and most players were an 8/10 or better. First one we got a 2-2 draw at home to Rangers. Second time we lost 2-1 at Parkhead. The other games we've been shocking for spells (3-2 at Ibrox) or we've just lost awful goals and generally bottled it.

[superfurryhibby]

Was thinking about this Superfurry and remember in more recent times Boyler’s hat-trick against The Rangers at Hamdump and an expensively assembled Celtic team hanging on by their finger nails time wasting with 20 minutes to go after cheating their goals in a National Cup Final which is why Hibeees always expect ��

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Yep, fully expecting to get soundly thrashed tonight.

Of course, everyone will get a result against them at some point, catch them on an off day, perform to the max and make it hard for them. They're not invincible, but those games are few and the humpings are many, too many.

On Sunday though, there was no lack of effort, just a lack of talent (it's even harder when your goalie is culpable of gifting them the lead when the match was fairly evenly balanced -by that I mean them having the ball, creating little and us looking reasonably dangerous on the break).

Comparing our game now to the early 90's-mid90's . Can't help thinking that lesser talents, guys like McGinlay, Wright, Jackson, O'Neill, they wouldn't have stayed at Hibs as long as they did, they would have been offski to English sides for the cash. That disparity between clubs like Hibs and lower tier English sides wasn't so great as now.

[flash]

Was just sitting at work contemplating what constitutes a genuinely spineless performance.
First two that came to mind were our semi and final defeats to St Johnstone.
Now those were games we were heartless, spineless and gutless in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Was just sitting at work contemplating what constitutes a genuinely spineless performance.
First two that came to mind were our semi and final defeats to St Johnstone.
Now those were games we were heartless, spineless and gutless in.

:agree:

Absolutely shocking performances.

No chance was Sunday spineless imo. We’re just not very good and it showed.

[Hibernian Verse]

:agree:

Absolutely shocking performances.

No chance was Sunday spineless imo. We’re just not very good and it showed.

We could get beat 3-1 off Man City and there would still be a thread about how spineless our performance was.

[BILLYHIBS]

Was just sitting at work contemplating what constitutes a genuinely spineless performance.
First two that came to mind were our semi and final defeats to St Johnstone.
Now those were games we were heartless, spineless and gutless in.

That Cup Final was a sackable offence on it’s own

Do what you always did get what you always got

Out played out fought and out thought for the fourth or fifth time

Will never get a better chance to win a Scottish Cup

You could see Nisbet and Boyle obviously disagreeing about something before kick off

[WhileTheChief..]

I have memories of beating rangers semi regularly in the late 80s and early 90s… and that was with a pretty dire Hibs team.

i was a kid at the time but I definitely remember a few victories. Is my memory playing tricks?

Souness's debut at ER - still one of my fav games ever.

Amazing atmosphere and sent the big money signings home with their tails between their legs.

[superfurryhibby]

I have memories of beating rangers semi regularly in the late 80s and early 90s… and that was with a pretty dire Hibs team.

i was a kid at the time but I definitely remember a few victories. Is my memory playing tricks?

4 victories in the 80's, 5 in the 90's (league games only).

[Pagan Hibernia]

4 victories in the 80's, 5 in the 90's (league games only).

just had a wee look at the history books.

in all competitions, we beat them in Sept 85, Oct 85, Aug 86, Aug 87, Aug 89, March 90, sept 91… then there was a wee dry spell.., then another four wins against them between May 94 and Oct 96. So we were beating them near enough once a year on average.

we had loads of wins against Celtic in the same period.

Changed times. Sigh.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Apparently if we don’t win tonight it’ll be the worst winless run in our history against the old firm.

[superfurryhibby]

just had a wee look at the history books.

in all competitions, we beat them in Sept 85, Oct 85, Aug 86, Aug 87, Aug 89, March 90, sept 91… then there was a wee dry spell.., then another four wins against them between May 94 and Oct 96. So we were beating them near enough once a year on average.

we had loads of wins against Celtic in the same period.

Changed times. Sigh.

Haven't checked v Celtic, but my gut instinct would say that we did have a slightly better record against them during that era.

One of those wins in 85 was the League Cup semi (?), but we didn't beat them in the league. The previous win was May 85, previous season (we also beat them at Ibrox that Jan, 1-2). That was the first one over the Hun since 1979-80 season. So 12 wins in all competitions across 20 years, a win every two years really.

The 70's seem better, but not brilliant. Seven league wins, many draws in that decades league matches (fewer games also with the four times a season not starting until 74-74 ?. A few cup wins v them that decade too, a Scottish semi final and Dryborough Cup too.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Haven't checked v Celtic, but my gut instinct would say that we did have a slightly better record against them during that era.

One of those wins in 85 was the League Cup semi (?), but we didn't beat them in the league. The previous win was May 85, previous season (we also beat them at Ibrox that Jan, 1-2). That was the first one over the Hun since 1979-80 season. So 12 wins in all competitions across 20 years, a win every two years really.

The 70's seem better, but not brilliant. Seven league wins, many draws in that decades league matches (fewer games also with the four times a season not starting until 74-74 ?. A few cup wins v them that decade too, a Scottish semi final and Dryborough Cup too.

beat them in the league at ibrox on 19th Oct 1985 (2-1), a couple of weeks after knocking them out of the league cup in the semi finals.

[superfurryhibby]

beat them in the league at ibrox on 19th Oct 1985 (2-1), a couple of weeks after knocking them out of the league cup in the semi finals.

We did, right enough. Pretty impressive given the resources Blackley had at his disposal.

[Since452]

What is the opposite of spineless? Tonight was it.

[BILLYHIBS]

Where’s Superfurry ? 😂

[superfurryhibby]

Where’s Superfurry ? 😂

I’m here :wink:

Most satisfying evening. We showed a lot of fight tonight.

[BILLYHIBS]

I’m here :wink:

Most satisfying evening. We showed a lot of fight tonight.

👍

Yip especially second half

Liked Lewis’ attitude and the boy Miller did good longest throw in I have seen since Shades

You can never tell with Hibs which is the attraction I suppose