Man Utd v Lyon

[DH1875]

Apparently happening at Murryfield in July. Thoughts?
I don't particularly like the idea of other teams playing in Edinburgh as encourages folk to follow another team.

[Billy Whizz]

There was a thread on this earlier, no idea where it went
This shouldn’t be allowed without a significant payment to the SFA

[Ringothedog]

There was a thread on this earlier, no idea where it went
This shouldn’t be allowed without a significant payment to the SFA

It just should not be allowed. If they want to play each other do it in England or France

[CallumLaidlaw]

Thing is, suppose it’s essentially up to Murrayfield if they want to do a deal.

Worst part is it’s apparently £63 for a friendly.


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[Billy Whizz]

It just should not be allowed. If they want to play each other do it in England or France

Same night as Viaplay League cup games. Man U are rich enough

[B.H.F.C]

Think Liverpool played Napoli there a year or two ago.

It’s no for me but will appeal to plenty so no really got an issue with it.

[Greenio]

Don't see an issue with it at all tbh

[Ringothedog]

Thing is, suppose it’s essentially up to Murrayfield if they want to do a deal.

Worst part is it’s apparently £63 for a friendly.


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The SFA have to sanction any game played here

[Pretty Boy]

2pm on a Wednesday seems a bonkers kick off time. Fair enough it will be primarily aimed at the tourist market and they won't be working but it will impact turnout from locals. Had it been evening or a (non Hibs) weekend I might have went along. No way I'm using up holiday or flexi time though.

[davy67 +]

Why is it being played in Scotland ?

[Smartie]

I have absolutely no idea what people find attractive about these games.

If it was at Easter Road and some of the £5 entry fee went to Hibs then I might think about going.

Personally I have no issue with it going ahead though.

[Stairway 2 7]

Teams play friendlies all over the world every summer including hibs, not getting the issue.

Saying that I'm not personally interested in going

[hibee-boys]

Up to Murrayfield and SRU what they do with their stadium. People want to play silly money to watch a training game good luck to them, they must feel it’ll be well supported. Never undertood the fascination with EPL sides by Scottish football fans. I attended a works event the other week and when asked who my ‘English’ side was they were shocked to learn I couldn’t give a monkey’s about any EPL side.

[bod]

No problem with it .hibs played an away friendly there no that long ago

[gbhibby]

Must be too scared to play us

[Tyler Durden]

It just should not be allowed. If they want to play each other do it in England or France

What’s the problem?

[gbhibby]

Edinburgh is an easy place to get to from most parts of the UK and is a popular place for midweek and weekend breaks anyway most Man utd fans are not from Manchester 😁

[The dalmeny]

Apparently happening at Murryfield in July. Thoughts?
I don't particularly like the idea of other teams playing in Edinburgh as encourages folk to follow another team.


Aye, and don't show football on telly, it just encourages folk to follow another team.

[HH81]

Least a few on here can finally see them live. 😁

[Pagan Hibernia]

Least a few on here can finally see them live. 😁

you’ll probably be there yourself :greengrin

[1875Sean]

Thing is, suppose it’s essentially up to Murrayfield if they want to do a deal.

Worst part is it’s apparently £63 for a friendly.


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Sure I read you can get ticket from £30?

Nothing against it, allows fans from Scotland to see a team they may support as an English team. Seen Liverpool play Napoli a few years ago at Murrayfield

[Sylar]

No different to Murrayfield hosting Beyonce this week.

It hosts events beyond the Scotland rugby team, and it means income to the SRU at the same time, so (as a Scottish and Edinburgh rugby fan) it's a win-win for me.

[HarpOnHibee]

I don't particularly like the idea of other teams playing in Edinburgh as encourages folk to follow another team.

Is that really true though? I can't see Hibs/Hearts fans throwing away a weekend out, just so they can follow Man Utd on the tele because they played at Murrayfield that one time.

[Vault Boy]

If only there were already football teams to watch in Scotland. :(

[KeithTheHibby]

Shows you how ***** they rate Hampden.

[weecounty hibby]

Each to their own and all that but I wouldn't cross the road to watch the current Manchester United team. Don't know much about Lyon but £63 a ticket🤯

[gbhibby]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-vs-lyon-tickets-26925765
How to buy tickets.
I will not be going prices ridiculous for a friendly.

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[Since452]

Probably wouldn't watch this fixture if it was on the TV never mind pay £60 odd to go. Each to their own.

[gbhibby]

Probably wouldn't watch this fixture if it was on the TV never mind pay £60 odd to go. Each to their own.More than likely sell out,they should be charging £30 top price.


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[SHODAN]

And all the Edinburgh glory hunters with two perfectly good teams to follow will turn out in numbers neither us nor Hearts would even dream of seeing.

[GreenCastle]

Made the mistake going to the Liverpool v Napoli game last time at Murrayfield and was one of the least enjoyable football games I’ve ever been to.

Plastic fans - players not arsed - over priced tickets and just felt like clubs were taking the piss fleecing the fans.

Probably should have expected it but we warned those wanting to go it will be full of tourist fans and nothing compared to seeing a Hibs match.

[SteveHFC]

Made the mistake going to the Liverpool v Napoli game last time at Murrayfield and was one of the least enjoyable football games I’ve ever been to.

Plastic fans - players not arsed - over priced tickets and just felt like clubs were taking the piss.

Probably should have expected it but we warned those wanting to go it will be full of tourist fans and nothing compared to seeing a Hibs match.

Went to that too and left about 10 minutes to go.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-vs-lyon-tickets-26925765
How to buy tickets.
I will not be going prices ridiculous for a friendly.

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I’ll be going purely because I haven’t gotten down to OT in a good few years (for a game anyway) due to work commitments and that’s not going to change anytime soon. I grudge the 50 quid for a friendly against a, let’s face it, comparatively unattractive opponent, but I’ll pay it just because it’s United. Others are probably right with regards to watching it on the telly though, I’d not think twice about scheduling appointments with my work that coincided with this game if it wasn’t being played in Edinburgh.


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[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/G3YU85Z1nJc
Remember this?


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[Scotty Leither]

https://youtu.be/G3YU85Z1nJc
Remember this?


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Good find - a United team featuring the lesser-spotted Gary Birtles.

[libernian]

Think it is disgusting, go market yourselves your own country.

Scots born "supporters" of english clubs are cringeworthy. I respect Edinburgh old firm fans a lot more than these gimps.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Think it is disgusting, go market yourselves your own country.

Scots born "supporters" of english clubs are cringeworthy. I respect Edinburgh old firm fans a lot more than these gimps.

I take your point for folk who support English teams and no Scottish teams, or when asked who they support say the English team they support before their Scottish team. I get that, but even though I’m generally not THAT bothered by Man United, I do want them to win every week. It’s not going to annoy me too much if they don’t, but I do want them to. I don’t think that’s cringeworthy, certainly not more so than people from Edinburgh supporting the old firm.


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[libernian]

I take your point for folk who support English teams and no Scottish teams, or when asked who they support say the English team they support before their Scottish team. I get that, but even though I’m generally not THAT bothered by Man United, I do want them to win every week. It’s not going to annoy me too much if they don’t, but I do want them to. I don’t think that’s cringeworthy, certainly not more so than people from Edinburgh supporting the old firm.


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Fair enough but that's a soft spot rather than supporting to me.

I'm talking scottish people who don't like or support / contribute to their own country's game..

I guess I'm just seeing our game drift away a bit in consciousness to the game south of the border which saddens me. Would hate to see scotland be like ireland or even norway which is obsessed with another country's league
.

Apologies, just to add, know we zhlive n let kive,but just feel this is not really on

[Dashing Bob S]

Made the mistake going to the Liverpool v Napoli game last time at Murrayfield and was one of the least enjoyable football games I’ve ever been to.

Plastic fans - players not arsed - over priced tickets and just felt like clubs were taking the piss fleecing the fans.

Probably should have expected it but we warned those wanting to go it will be full of tourist fans and nothing compared to seeing a Hibs match.

I've been dragged along with complimentary tickets to such fixtures where financially charged superclubs think they are doing 'footballing backwaters' a favour by showing up and going through a glorified training game.

As you say, they generally only appeal to plastics with more money than sense, or one or two clowns deluded enough to believe that they are watching a real game of football.

So I've absolutely nothing against it but wouldn't go anywhere near it myself - unless I was given an outrageous hospitality package which afforded minimum time to look at the nonsense on the pitch.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Good find - a United team featuring the lesser-spotted Gary Birtles.

Was he not also in that Nottingham forest tem that a mouth assembled?

[NC1875]

Are people seriously getting wound up because Man Utd are playing a friendly in Edinburgh ? Jeezo.

It’s also in the school holidays remember. Got tickets for me and my son, he’s 6 years old so I wouldn’t take him to Old Trafford but it’s a chance for him to see a team and players that him and his friends know of and play on FIFA etc.

[HH81]

you’ll probably be there yourself :greengrin

Nah, loads of tickets floating around for Man u home league games so given I live near Manchester I'd just go there.

Been to old trafford a few times over the years, the decline is clear to see.

Even city ground way ahead these days.

[JimBHibees]

Made the mistake going to the Liverpool v Napoli game last time at Murrayfield and was one of the least enjoyable football games I’ve ever been to.

Plastic fans - players not arsed - over priced tickets and just felt like clubs were taking the piss fleecing the fans.

Probably should have expected it but we warned those wanting to go it will be full of tourist fans and nothing compared to seeing a Hibs match.

Went to that quite enjoyed Liverpool getting taken apart by a decent Napolii side. Thought the general atmosphere on the day was fine loads of families enjoying going to a game. It was what it was a pre season friendly and not really a competitive game. After watching Hibs all my life nowhere near one of the least enjoyable games ever been to. :greengrin

[marinello59]

Think it is disgusting, go market yourselves your own country.

Scots born "supporters" of english clubs are cringeworthy. I respect Edinburgh old firm fans a lot more than these gimps.

Disgusting? A bit strong maybe?
It’s a harmless exhibition match and a chance for families to enjoy a day out watching some superstars of the game we love in the flesh. I would imagine there will be a large number of excited kids there. It’s not for me but I hope those that do go along have a great time.

[Scouse Hibee]

Disgusting? A bit strong maybe?
It’s a harmless exhibition match and a chance for families to enjoy a day out watching some superstars of the game we love in the flesh. I would imagine there will be a large number of excited kids there. It’s not for me but I hope those that do go along have a great time.

Spot in, can’t believe some folk are getting so wound up about this. Plenty of families will enjoy a great day out and kids will see players they admire from the TV.

[Hibernian Verse]

Went to that quite enjoyed Liverpool getting taken apart by a decent Napolii side. Thought the general atmosphere on the day was fine loads of families enjoying going to a game. It was what it was a pre season friendly and not really a competitive game. After watching Hibs all my life nowhere near one of the oleaster enjoyable games ever been to. :greengrin

Insigne was incredible that day. Of course it was a friendly but that was one of the best individual performances I've ever seen in the flesh.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Fair enough but that's a soft spot rather than supporting to me.

I'm talking scottish people who don't like or support / contribute to their own country's game..

I guess I'm just seeing our game drift away a bit in consciousness to the game south of the border which saddens me. Would hate to see scotland be like ireland or even norway which is obsessed with another country's league
.

Apologies, just to add, know we zhlive n let kive,but just feel this is not really on

is this really happening though? A lot of statistics point to attendances in Scotland going up. Away crowds in particular seem to be getting bigger and bigger.

if you look at one of our most exciting ‘recent’ teams, Turnbulls Tornadoes in their most famous season (72/73), they were getting home crowds of between 9000 and 12,000 for most games. this was an era when Hibs had a chance of winning the league and our clubs generally could also compete in Europe. We smash that out of the park nowadays with a generally crap team that doesn’t really look like it’s going anywhere, certainly has no chance of winning the league, plus far higher ticket prices.

there is a hell of a lot of things wrong with the Scottish game these days. I don’t see the support of the Scottish public being one of them.

[Dmas]

Anyone have a link for tickets? I can’t find where to buy on ticketmaster just giving me a count down timer

[HibbyDave]

Day before Possible conference league match?
Especially if we are away first for those who would be travelling.

[Pretty Boy]

is this really happening though? A lot of statistics point to attendances in Scotland going up. Away crowds in particular seem to be getting bigger and bigger.

if you look at one of our most exciting ‘recent’ teams, Turnbulls Tornadoes in their most famous season (72/73), they were getting home crowds of between 9000 and 12,000 for most games. this was an era when Hibs had a chance of winning the league and our clubs generally could also compete in Europe. We smash that out of the park nowadays with a generally crap team that doesn’t really look like it’s going anywhere, certainly has no chance of winning the league, plus far higher ticket prices.

there is a hell of a lot of things wrong with the Scottish game these days. I don’t see the support of the Scottish public being one of them.

I think if anything it's goes the other way and the 'fantasy football' leagues are slipping out of the consciousness of fans of a certain age.

The young kids still want their United, City, Barca or Madrid strips and a lot of guys from my generation and up seem to have an English team as well. 50+ it's Liverpool who call the Man Utd fans who are 30+ glory hunters without irony who do the same to City and Chelsea fans who are 25+ and so on. There does seem an age range from about 14/15 to early 20s that sees having an English team as a bit uncool though. There's a couple of young guys in the warehouse at my work and they are into the whole ultras thing, one Hibs and the other Hearts. For them the football is about a day with their mates, cheap beer, bad drugs and an adventure to exotic locations like Motherwell and Dingwall. English football is for FIFA and their PS5. When I was that age it was the opposite. Scottish football had an image problem and crowds reflected that, for loads of my peers the start of a weekend out was the pub, an English lunch time game and then Soccer Saturday. I was odd because I still followed Hibs. I don't get that impression now and I think the size and demographics of away crowds in particular are reflecting that.

As I said had the United game at Murrayfield been in the evening I might have went. I'd wager the crowd will be largely guys 30-35+ who had Man Utd as their English team during the 90s and 00s or parents with their kids. I reckon the 15-24 age range will be conspicuous by their absence.

[overdrive]

I was going to try get a ticket until I saw it was a 2pm kick off. I’m not taking time off work for it. For a team I “supported” when I was a kid in the 90s but haven’t really taken an interest in for near enough 20 years.

[flash]

Hibs V Barcelona at Murrayfield was bad enough without suffering this.
Each to their own but it ain't my bag.

[HFC93]

Anyone paying £63 to watch a friendly need their head examined.

[marinello59]

Anyone paying £63 to watch a friendly need their head examined.

Tickets start at £30 for adults and £15 for kids.

[Bristolhibby]

Up to Murrayfield and SRU what they do with their stadium. People want to play silly money to watch a training game good luck to them, they must feel it’ll be well supported. Never undertood the fascination with EPL sides by Scottish football fans. I attended a works event the other week and when asked who my ‘English’ side was they were shocked to learn I couldn’t give a monkey’s about any EPL side.

Yip, weird. If pressed I’d probably say Spurs as my father-in-law and brother-in-law support them. But that aside I’d have Spurs lose the Champions League final if it meant 3 points away for Hibs at Rugby Park.

A no brainer.

J

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Hibs V Barcelona at Murrayfield was bad enough without suffering this.
Each to their own but it ain't my bag.

Barcelona EVS (either HT-FT or win both halves) was a handy bet that day. 🍻

[Since90+2]

Folk get weirdly annoyed about people from Scotland following an English team. I don't personally, but it doesn't impact me in the slightest so doesn't bother me at all.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Tickets start at £30 for adults and £15 for kids.

Its actually £16.90 for kids tickets I kid you not.
Very few tickets at £33.75 (cheapest currently available £39.95), tickets priced up to £84.40 all plus handling fee.
Someone having an absolute laugh with these prices for a kick about.

And there are people who wanted Scottish football to let the rugby people host all our internationals, cup finals etc, bad enough that the SFA are promoting this.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Teams play friendlies all over the world every summer including hibs, not getting the issue.

Saying that I'm not personally interested in going

Yes we do. But unlike Hibs, EPL clubs and the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona do it as a marketing tool to promote their 'product' to the locals and for no other reason, on the back of it they hope to attract TV fans and sell shirts. However, Man United playing Lyon in Los Angeles or Liverpool playing Napoli in Sydney isn't going to impact support for LA FC or Sydney FC so far as day to day physical support goes for obvious reasons.

These clubs playing friendlies in Hibs and Hearts back yard is an entirely different matter. Their stadiums are a matter of hours away from Edinburgh and their league is already available wall to wall in Scotland .... You can walk into any big sports shop in Scotland and buy a Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City shirt .... try finding a Hibs, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Hearts or Motherwell shirt, even in the catchment areas of these clubs.

The EPL's presence in this country is already all pervasive and in my opinion the last, the very last, thing we need is EPL clubs pushing their product even more up here by arranging 'glamour' friendlies that folk can take their easily influenced kids to. If Man United or Liverpool or anybody else are so desperate to play in Edinburgh then let them arrange a friendly against Hibs or Hearts ... otherwise, if the SFA / SPFL have any say in this matter at all they should be telling them in no uncertain terms to GTF ..... Bad enough we are already at the stage of moving the kick off time of our biggest domestic match because it clashes with their 3rd most important competition.

Personally I wouldn't attend this match if it was 3pm on a Saturday, it was free to get in and they laid on a limo with free champagne from my house to the stadium with a free all inclusive room at the Balmoral hotel for the night.

[Keith_M]

My only question would be why they're having a Manchester United game in Edinburgh instead of having it at the home ground of one of the two clubs.


If it was a case of having really well known clubs play matches in countries where the game isn't all that popular, like they used to do in the US, etc, many moons ago, then I'd see the point of that. I'm not really getting the point of this kind of 'event'.

[Smartie]

Yes we do. But unlike Hibs, EPL clubs and the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona do it as a marketing tool to promote their 'product' to the locals and for no other reason, on the back of it they hope to attract TV fans and sell shirts. However, Man United playing Lyon in Los Angeles or Liverpool playing Napoli in Sydney isn't going to impact support for LA FC or Sydney FC so far as day to day physical support goes for obvious reasons.

These clubs playing friendlies in Hibs and Hearts back yard is an entirely different matter. Their stadiums are a matter of hours away from Edinburgh and their league is already available wall to wall in Scotland .... You can walk into any big sports shop in Scotland and buy a Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City shirt .... try finding a Hibs, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Hearts or Motherwell shirt, even in the catchment areas of these clubs.

The EPL's presence in this country is already all pervasive and in my opinion the last, the very last, thing we need is EPL clubs pushing their product even more up here by arranging 'glamour' friendlies that folk can take their easily influenced kids to. If Man United or Liverpool or anybody else are so desperate to play in Edinburgh then let them arrange a friendly against Hibs or Hearts ... otherwise, if the SFA / SPFL have any say in this matter at all they should be telling them in no uncertain terms to GTF ..... Bad enough we are already at the stage of moving the kick off time of our biggest domestic match because it clashes with their 3rd most important competition.

Personally I wouldn't attend this match if it was 3pm on a Saturday, it was free to get in and they laid on a limo with free champagne from my house to the stadium with a free all inclusive room at the Balmoral hotel for the night.

Whilst I'm about as keen to go to this games as you are I don't feel like Hibs should be remotely threatened by it, therefore I don't really understand why we should be putting barriers in place to it happening.

Competition is a funny old thing. I'd have thought that there would be plenty of room in people's football supporting lives to watch and spend money on Hibs, watch the odd game on the telly, play FIFA and - if they're so inclined - to attend this game.

I don't feel like this game takes food off Hibs' plate.

If anything, as ever, a counter-argument could be made that people going along to watch this kick about in the sunshine might reawaken an interest in football that might make them go along to watch their local team when the time is right.

[Smartie]

My only question would be why they're having a Manchester United game in Edinburgh instead of having it at the home ground of one of the two clubs.


If it was a case of having really well known clubs play matches in countries where the game isn't all that popular, like they used to do in the US, etc, many moons ago, then I'd see the point of that. I'm not really getting the point of this kind of 'event'.

The "point" will be for those who already have great wealth to accumulate more, as it always is.

[JimBHibees]

Insigne was incredible that day. Of course it was a friendly but that was one of the best individual performances I've ever seen in the flesh.

Yes top class

[Stairway 2 7]

The worry people will stop supporting hibs and hearts due to watching a pre season friendly is hilarious. As for the evil nature of it if hibs could do what the epl do in growing the fan base abroad they would in a heart beat. Epl clubs used to play friendlies in Scotland every summer now they usually play in football daft countries abroad, like Thailand and China.

As others have said the figures for Scottish fans attending the spl are growing at an amazing rate. As said above also the Turnbulls tornadoes or Sauzee teams could only dream of our regular attendances

[Bristolhibby]

The worry people will stop supporting hibs and hearts due to watching a pre season friendly is hilarious. As for the evil nature of it if hibs could do what the epl do in growing the fan base abroad they would in a heart beat. Epl clubs used to play friendlies in Scotland every summer now they usually play in football daft countries abroad, like Thailand and China.

As others have said the figures for Scottish fans attending the spl are growing at an amazing rate. As said above also the Turnbulls tornadoes or Sauzee teams could only dream of our regular attendances

It’s more the youngsters.

I hate seeing Man U and City tops on kids in Scotland. It’s a real shame.

Thing is, I know it’s a craze. The kids generally fall in line and back their local teams (or the OF).

Just much rather seeing kids getting behind and wearing Hibs or Hearts jerseys.

J

[Nakedmanoncrack]

The fact that a far from great Man Utd team will draw a bigger crowd (for an extortionately priced kick about) in our city, than either of the local teams could ever imagine is embarrassing.

It confirms our place as a 'footballing backwater' in line with the countries with no football tradition that these type of clubs tour to promote 'The Brand'.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Whilst I'm about as keen to go to this games as you are I don't feel like Hibs should be remotely threatened by it, therefore I don't really understand why we should be putting barriers in place to it happening.

Competition is a funny old thing. I'd have thought that there would be plenty of room in people's football supporting lives to watch and spend money on Hibs, watch the odd game on the telly, play FIFA and - if they're so inclined - to attend this game.

I don't feel like this game takes food off Hibs' plate.

If anything, as ever, a counter-argument could be made that people going along to watch this kick about in the sunshine might reawaken an interest in football that might make them go along to watch their local team when the time is right.

I get that reasoning mate, but in all honesty why even take the chance that it might turn some kids away from their local clubs. The question needs to be asked, why the hell would these two clubs even go to the expense of renting Murrayfield if there wasn't something in it for them, especially Man United, who could easily have arranged to play this at Old Trafford?

As for enthusing folk about the game in general, the worst game of football I ever witnessed was in a pre season tournament at Newcastle, Feyenoord 0 Sporting Lisbon 0 .... it would have put a Red Bull addict on speed to sleep :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s more the youngsters.

I hate seeing Man U and City tops on kids in Scotland. It’s a real shame.

Thing is, I know it’s a craze. The kids generally fall in line and back their local teams (or the OF).

Just much rather seeing kids getting behind and wearing Hibs or Hearts jerseys.

J

Kids have always had English teams and as I said EPL teams played up here much much more previously. You would normally get a number up for pre season friendlies and testimonials. I think the number of youths being into Scottish teams is exploding they all want to be ultras you can even see them at lower league games. When our average gates dwarf what we had in 60s/70s/80s/90s I'll not be fussy about this one game that will have as much impact as the Liverpool game had, none.

[Stairway 2 7]

The fact that a far from great Man Utd team will draw a bigger crowd (for an extortionately priced kick about) in our city, than either of the local teams could ever imagine is embarrassing.

It confirms our place as a 'footballing backwater' in line with the countries with no football tradition that these type of clubs tour to promote 'The Brand'.

Nonsense. We are a country of 5 million with I believe the highest amount of people that go to games per capita in Europe.

Man U are one of the biggest clubs in the world, they would get 40,000 fans watching in almost any major European city. Only a few dozen clubs in Europe get more fans than that and they are from a few leagues. So unless every country bar the big 4 are backwaters then we are normal.

Too much putting our league and crowds down

[DH1875]

Wonder what they would say down south if celtic arranged a friendly against Real Madrid in London....

[Keith_M]

Nonsense. We are a country of 5 million with I believe the highest amount of people that go to games per capita in Europe.

Man U are one of the biggest clubs in the world, they would get 40,000 fans watching in almost any major European city. Only a few dozen clubs in Europe get more fans than that and they are from a few leagues. So unless every country bar the big 4 are backwaters then we are normal.

Too much putting our league and crowds down


TBF, I can kind of see the point they were trying to make. For a city the size of Edinburgh, with no other clubs for miles around*, the attendances for Hibs and Hearts aren't particularly impressive.

I agree with your point as well about the draw for Man Utd, regardless of where they decided to play this game.




* Obviously that's aside from Livi, but they don't exactly take much away from Hibs and Hearts in terms of support.

[Pretty Boy]

Of course Man Utd and to a lesser extent Lyon are doing this to attract new fans or solidify a relationship with existing fans in Scotland.

That's 'fans' in a pretty loose sense of the word though. Maybe someone who will buy a strip, go on a stadium tour sometime or take in a game every other season. No one is going to cancel their ST for ER or Tynecastle on the back of this game. It's fanciful and getting worked up and worried about something that just isn't going to happen. Like it or not we are operating in a completely different marketplace from Man Utd and Lyon and our target market is completely different.

[Pretty Boy]

Wonder what they would say down south if celtic arranged a friendly against Real Madrid in London....

The Irish and Scottish diaspora in London would quite probably be delighted. About 160K and 115K respectively. I'm sure Real Madrid would be quite the attraction too.

[DH1875]

The Irish and Scottish diaspora in London would quite probably be delighted. About 160K and 115K respectively. I'm sure Real Madrid would be quite the attraction too.

I'm sure they would. I was thinking more of the London clubs, their fans, the media, the police etc...

[DH1875]

TBF, I can kind of see the point they were trying to make. For a city the size of Edinburgh, with no other clubs for miles around*, the attendances for Hibs and Hearts aren't particularly impressive.

I agree with your point as well about the draw for Man Utd, regardless of where they decided to play this game.




* Obviously that's aside from Livi, but they don't exactly take much away from Hibs and Hearts in terms of support.

Rangers and celtic are only an hour away. I know we like to think its miles away but relatively speaking its not that far in comparison to distances in most countries.

[marinello59]

Of course Man Utd and to a lesser extent Lyon are doing this to attract new fans or solidify a relationship with existing fans in Scotland.

That's 'fans' in a pretty loose sense of the word though. Maybe someone who will buy a strip, go on a stadium tour sometime or take in a game every other season. No one is going to cancel their ST for ER or Tynecastle on the back of this game. It's fanciful and getting worked up and worried about something that just isn't going to happen. Like it or not we are operating in a completely different marketplace from Man Utd and Lyon and our target market is completely different.

Spot on.

[Kato]

The fact that a far from great Man Utd team will draw a bigger crowd (for an extortionately priced kick about) in our city, than either of the local teams could ever imagine is embarrassing.

It confirms our place as a 'footballing backwater' in line with the countries with no football tradition that these type of clubs tour to promote 'The Brand'.Some of those attending will have no football tradition either. They wouldn't imagine going to ER or Tynie as just isn't going to happen. I'd imagine for at least a few this game could be the first they've seen live and possibly the last.

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[marinello59]

The fact that a far from great Man Utd team will draw a bigger crowd (for an extortionately priced kick about) in our city, than either of the local teams could ever imagine is embarrassing.

It confirms our place as a 'footballing backwater' in line with the countries with no football tradition that these type of clubs tour to promote 'The Brand'.

It’s far from embarrassing. It’s a different market that will attract a different crowd. Bruce Springsteen will attract a bigger crowd to Murrayfield than many homegrown artists. I won’t be embarrassed about that either.:greengrin. Overpriced at £30 for adults and £15 for kids? That doesn’t seem too bad when you consider the stars that will be on show.

And rather than denigrate those going as weirdos or fake fans, if they are following fitba and going to a match then they are just as real a fan as I am. (I know you didn’t say that but several have.)

[Scouse Hibee]

Yes we do. But unlike Hibs, EPL clubs and the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona do it as a marketing tool to promote their 'product' to the locals and for no other reason, on the back of it they hope to attract TV fans and sell shirts. However, Man United playing Lyon in Los Angeles or Liverpool playing Napoli in Sydney isn't going to impact support for LA FC or Sydney FC so far as day to day physical support goes for obvious reasons.

These clubs playing friendlies in Hibs and Hearts back yard is an entirely different matter. Their stadiums are a matter of hours away from Edinburgh and their league is already available wall to wall in Scotland .... You can walk into any big sports shop in Scotland and buy a Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City shirt .... try finding a Hibs, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Hearts or Motherwell shirt, even in the catchment areas of these clubs.

The EPL's presence in this country is already all pervasive and in my opinion the last, the very last, thing we need is EPL clubs pushing their product even more up here by arranging 'glamour' friendlies that folk can take their easily influenced kids to. If Man United or Liverpool or anybody else are so desperate to play in Edinburgh then let them arrange a friendly against Hibs or Hearts ... otherwise, if the SFA / SPFL have any say in this matter at all they should be telling them in no uncertain terms to GTF ..... Bad enough we are already at the stage of moving the kick off time of our biggest domestic match because it clashes with their 3rd most important competition.

Personally I wouldn't attend this match if it was 3pm on a Saturday, it was free to get in and they laid on a limo with free champagne from my house to the stadium with a free all inclusive room at the Balmoral hotel for the night.

I bet you would!

[JimBHibees]

I bet you would!

I wouldn’t either unless someone offered me it of course :greengrin

[Ringothedog]

The fact that a far from great Man Utd team will draw a bigger crowd (for an extortionately priced kick about) in our city, than either of the local teams could ever imagine is embarrassing.

It confirms our place as a 'footballing backwater' in line with the countries with no football tradition that these type of clubs tour to promote 'The Brand'.

Hearts got nearly 58000 v Barcelona for a glorified kick about

[DIXIHIBS]

Some of those attending will have no football tradition either. They wouldn't imagine going to ER or Tynie as just isn't going to happen. I'd imagine for at least a few this game could be the first they've seen live and possibly the last.

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There are many "fans" like that these days. Worked beside a guy a couple of years ago who informed me supported Liverpool & Barcelona. I asked if he ever went to Easter Road and he looked at me like i was from a different planet. He wasn't a youngster either.

[DIXIHIBS]

Hearts got nearly 58000 v Barcelona for a glorified kick about

They went to see Barca...not hertz.

[Golden Bear]

Nobody is being forced into going so don't see why anyone would be against it.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

It’s far from embarrassing. It’s a different market that will attract a different crowd. Bruce Springsteen will attract a bigger crowd to Murrayfield than many homegrown artists. I won’t be embarrassed about that either.:greengrin. Overpriced at £30 for adults and £15 for kids? That doesn’t seem too bad when you consider the stars that will be on show.

And rather than denigrate those going as weirdos or fake fans, if they are following fitba and going to a match then they are just as real a fan as I am. (I know you didn’t say that but several have.)

Except there are no tickets at the prices you quote, and anything along sides of pitch start from more than double the adult prices you quoted!

[marinello59]

Except there are no tickets at the prices you quote, and anything along sides of pitch start from more than double the adult prices you quoted!

I’ll be honest, I haven’t checked Ticketmaster for availability, I’m not going. You registered for the presale then? :greengrin

[DH1875]

I’ll be honest, I haven’t checked Ticketmaster for availability, I’m not going. You registered for the presale then? :greengrin

Don't need to register. Sales must be poor as Ticketmaster sent me a link even though I've no interest what so ever.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I’ll be honest, I haven’t checked Ticketmaster for availability, I’m not going. You registered for the presale then? :greengrin

SFA promoting it to members of Scotland Supporters Club with presale link.

[Not In The Know]

Ticket price = idiot tax.

[Carheenlea]

Wonder what they would say down south if celtic arranged a friendly against Real Madrid in London....

I was in Galway when Celtic played a friendly against Barcelona about 6/7 years ago at The Aviva in Dublin. As it was the celebrated Barcelona team I decided to travel down for a day out to take the chance to go and witness one of the great teams of my lifetime, but admittedly it was just a pity it was Celtic they were playing!

As a Hibs fan you really have to be football tourist if you want to experience the great teams of our time, so these showpiece friendlies certainly have a place. This Manchester United side against Lyon isn’t really a mouth-waterer though.

[DH1875]

Here's also the point, why Lyon? Seriously though. Surely Man Utd V Hibs or Hearts at Murryfield would generate the same crowd. Not as if Lyon are a PSG, Marseille or even Monaco.

[Bristolhibby]

Wonder what they would say down south if celtic arranged a friendly against Real Madrid in London....

Like all those pre season tournaments, Emirates Cup and that one at Spurs and the likes.

It would be busy.

J

[Bristolhibby]

There are many "fans" like that these days. Worked beside a guy a couple of years ago who informed me supported Liverpool & Barcelona. I asked if he ever went to Easter Road and he looked at me like i was from a different planet. He wasn't a youngster either.

Having an English team is one thing. Being a Barca / Spanish “fan”, purleese.

J

[Smartie]

Having an English team is one thing. Being a Barca / Spanish “fan”, purleese.

J

There's a guy I know who is a Real "fan" from Glasgow.

He stuck up a hilarious post pre-game last night, proclaiming that "his team" were just about to enjoy another in a long line of successes.

The responses after his team got their ***** firmly handed to them were really pretty comical.

It was up there with the "we are unbeatable" Hearts game.

[He's here!]

I was in Galway when Celtic played a friendly against Barcelona about 6/7 years ago at The Aviva in Dublin. As it was the celebrated Barcelona team I decided to travel down for a day out to take the chance to go and witness one of the great teams of my lifetime, but admittedly it was just a pity it was Celtic they were playing!

As a Hibs fan you really have to be football tourist if you want to experience the great teams of our time, so these showpiece friendlies certainly have a place. This Manchester United side against Lyon isn’t really a mouth-waterer though.

I get that Man U are a global brand and personally I don't have a problem with them taking the 'brand' on tour. As you say, though, it's not like it's one of the great Sir Alex sides taking on another global giant so I'll be surprised if it proves to be a big draw.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I get that Man U are a global brand and personally I don't have a problem with them taking the 'brand' on tour. As you say, though, it's not like it's one of the great Sir Alex sides taking on another global giant so I'll be surprised if it proves to be a big draw.

Of course it’ll be a big draw, it’s Manchester United. Arguably the most famous football club in the world, they’ll pull a big crowd anywhere, any day, any time, regardless of how good they are at the minute or who they’re playing.


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[Smartie]

I get that Man U are a global brand and personally I don't have a problem with them taking the 'brand' on tour. As you say, though, it's not like it's one of the great Sir Alex sides taking on another global giant so I'll be surprised if it proves to be a big draw.

In fairness though, any version of Man Utd is a big draw.

A girl I work with (from Chesterfield initially, her dad is a Man U fan) was really excited about the prospect of seeing Man U in Edinburgh but mystified by the choice to play it at 2pm on a weekday.

The reach of Man U and Liverpool really is huge.

[Bristolhibby]

In fairness though, any version of Man Utd is a big draw.

A girl I work with (from Chesterfield initially, her dad is a Man U fan) was really excited about the prospect of seeing Man U in Edinburgh but mystified by the choice to play it at 2pm on a weekday.

The reach of Man U and Liverpool really is huge.

I can’t get my head round the 1400 on a weekday. Unless there’s some massive global sell on for the game in China or something.

J

[NAE NOOKIE]

I get that Man U are a global brand and personally I don't have a problem with them taking the 'brand' on tour. As you say, though, it's not like it's one of the great Sir Alex sides taking on another global giant so I'll be surprised if it proves to be a big draw.

Then let them take it round the globe and not promote their 'brand' in their back yard ( basically in what is our market ) where what the effect might be is not simply to get folk to buy strips and subscribe to Man United TV as armchair fans, but to have the ability to travel to Old Trafford 4 or 5 times a season and refer to themselves as Man United fans.

I recall a poster on here talking about Dublin airport, and no doubt ferry terminal, that is simply stuffed every weekend with folk going to see Man United, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal. Dublin is a city of one million people, with two ( in Irish football terms ) major clubs who can't muster a crowd of 10,000 between them most weekends to watch them play in the Irish league. And yet they have no problem filling the Aviva to watch the national team, there is for sure an appetite for football ... just not Irish club football.

I for one do not want to see any encouragement whatsoever given to the EPL to turn Scotland into another Irish Republic. If that's seen by some as scaremongering or petty, so be it.

[Just_Jimmy]

Here's also the point, why Lyon? Seriously though. Surely Man Utd V Hibs or Hearts at Murryfield would generate the same crowd. Not as if Lyon are a PSG, Marseille or even Monaco.Because they'll be paying Utd more than Hibs or Hearts could to play the game.

People might not like it, but the Utd brand is still massive.

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[gbhibby]

The trains from London to Edinburgh will be busy around the match day, no problems getting on a Manchester to Edinburgh train at that time.😁

[Pagan Hibernia]

Then let them take it round the globe and not promote their 'brand' in their back yard ( basically in what is our market ) where what the effect might be is not simply to get folk to buy strips and subscribe to Man United TV as armchair fans, but to have the ability to travel to Old Trafford 4 or 5 times a season and refer to themselves as Man United fans.

I recall a poster on here talking about Dublin airport, and no doubt ferry terminal, that is simply stuffed every weekend with folk going to see Man United, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal. Dublin is a city of one million people, with two ( in Irish football terms ) major clubs who can't muster a crowd of 10,000 between them most weekends to watch them play in the Irish league. And yet they have no problem filling the Aviva to watch the national team, there is for sure an appetite for football ... just not Irish club football.

I for one do not want to see any encouragement whatsoever given to the EPL to turn Scotland into another Irish Republic. If that's seen by some as scaremongering or petty, so be it.

It’s frustrating. I live in Belfast currently and while Irish league crowds are growing, the four clubs in this city wouldn’t draw 10,000 between them. Yet Irish people (north and south) love their football as you say.

[Pagan Hibernia]

The trains from London to Edinburgh will be busy around the match day, no problems getting on a Manchester to Edinburgh train at that time.😁

I lived in Manchester for years. That myth is spectacularly wide of the mark.

[He's here!]

In fairness though, any version of Man Utd is a big draw.

A girl I work with (from Chesterfield initially, her dad is a Man U fan) was really excited about the prospect of seeing Man U in Edinburgh but mystified by the choice to play it at 2pm on a weekday.

The reach of Man U and Liverpool really is huge.

Yeh, I guess you're right.

As I say, it doesn't bother me. It strikes me as akin to a big concert taking place at Murrayfield, something that folk might want to go to as a one-off but I can't see it having any impact on the long-term support for the Edinburgh clubs.

[overdrive]

I was going to try get a ticket until I saw it was a 2pm kick off. I’m not taking time off work for it. For a team I “supported” when I was a kid in the 90s but haven’t really taken an interest in for near enough 20 years.

I've backtracked on this and got myself a ticket. I assumed I would have to wait for the main sale but got the email from the SFA yesterday for being a member of the SSC so got in on the cheaper tickets. I've plenty of leave to take so I'll make a wee day of it and Murrayfield is relatively close to me.

[gbhibby]

I lived in Manchester for years. That myth is spectacularly wide of the mark.
I wonder if the Edinburgh Reds bus still leaves from Waterloo Place?

[Pagan Hibernia]

I wonder if the Edinburgh Reds bus still leaves from Waterloo Place?

probably does. Its no surprise to anyone that Man Utd have massive international support. The surprise is that some people genuinely believe that means they must have no local support.

it’s like people these days who claim Man City had no support before 2008. Which is absolute rubbish.

still they are funny jokes and if they annoy Mancunians red or blue I’m all for it. I certainly got plenty of abuse there for supporting Hibs :greengrin

[Just_Jimmy]

I lived in Manchester for years. That myth is spectacularly wide of the mark.I live in Manchester. Manchester people support United or City.

United have a huge appeal everywhere because they're arguably biggest club in the world.



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[gbhibby]

probably does. Its no surprise to anyone that Man Utd have massive international support. The surprise is that some people genuinely believe that means they must have no local support.

it’s like people these days who claim Man City had no support before 2008. Which is absolute rubbish.

still they are funny jokes and if they annoy Mancunians red or blue I’m all for it. I certainly got plenty of abuse there for supporting Hibs :greengrin
You should have mentioned to city fans we have put 5 past them and tell utd fans we have put 7 past them.

[DH1875]

Because they'll be paying Utd more than Hibs or Hearts could to play the game.

People might not like it, but the Utd brand is still massive.

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Not sure what you mean. So Lyon are paying to take part of this and Utd are making all the money????

[Just_Jimmy]

Not sure what you mean. So Lyon are paying to take part of this and Utd are making all the money????I think Lyon will pay Utd a fee to take part and split the gate. Maybe it's 60/40 ish

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[basehibby]

Couldn't give a monkeys about this even if it was free - but £65 for a friendly :faf::faf::faf:

[DH1875]

I think Lyon will pay Utd a fee to take part and split the gate. Maybe it's 60/40 ish

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So could we not have just said we'd do it for 20%?

[Carheenlea]

So could we not have just said we'd do it for 20%?

..and promise Joe Tortolano won’t be on the pitch.

[Just_Jimmy]

So could we not have just said we'd do it for 20%?The fee will be more than Hibs pay. Playing Lyon is also a decent pre season test for Utd.

We had fans crying about playing Barcelona at Murrayfield... imagine if we'd said we'd pay Utd and split the gate 80/20 in their favour? [emoji1787]

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[Eyrie]

..and promise Joe Tortolano won’t be on the pitch.

Only if they promise not to play Strachan.

[The dalmeny]

My only question would be why they're having a Manchester United game in Edinburgh instead of having it at the home ground of one of the two clubs.


If it was a case of having really well known clubs play matches in countries where the game isn't all that popular, like they used to do in the US, etc, many moons ago, then I'd see the point of that. I'm not really getting the point of this kind of 'event'.

I've heard this ties in with Utd having a pre season at St Andrews like last year

[libernian]

Then let them take it round the globe and not promote their 'brand' in their back yard ( basically in what is our market ) where what the effect might be is not simply to get folk to buy strips and subscribe to Man United TV as armchair fans, but to have the ability to travel to Old Trafford 4 or 5 times a season and refer to themselves as Man United fans.

I recall a poster on here talking about Dublin airport, and no doubt ferry terminal, that is simply stuffed every weekend with folk going to see Man United, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal. Dublin is a city of one million people, with two ( in Irish football terms ) major clubs who can't muster a crowd of 10,000 between them most weekends to watch them play in the Irish league. And yet they have no problem filling the Aviva to watch the national team, there is for sure an appetite for football ... just not Irish club football.

I for one do not want to see any encouragement whatsoever given to the EPL to turn Scotland into another Irish Republic. If that's seen by some as scaremongering or petty, so be it.

Agreed 👍

[libernian]

I think if anything it's goes the other way and the 'fantasy football' leagues are slipping out of the consciousness of fans of a certain age.

The young kids still want their United, City, Barca or Madrid strips and a lot of guys from my generation and up seem to have an English team as well. 50+ it's Liverpool who call the Man Utd fans who are 30+ glory hunters without irony who do the same to City and Chelsea fans who are 25+ and so on. There does seem an age range from about 14/15 to early 20s that sees having an English team as a bit uncool though. There's a couple of young guys in the warehouse at my work and they are into the whole ultras thing, one Hibs and the other Hearts. For them the football is about a day with their mates, cheap beer, bad drugs and an adventure to exotic locations like Motherwell and Dingwall. English football is for FIFA and their PS5. When I was that age it was the opposite. Scottish football had an image problem and crowds reflected that, for loads of my peers the start of a weekend out was the pub, an English lunch time game and then Soccer Saturday. I was odd because I still followed Hibs. I don't get that impression now and I think the size and demographics of away crowds in particular are reflecting that.

As I said had the United game at Murrayfield been in the evening I might have went. I'd wager the crowd will be largely guys 30-35+ who had Man Utd as their English team during the 90s and 00s or parents with their kids. I reckon the 15-24 age range will be conspicuous by their absence.

Didn't know that as a bit older and don't know many kids that age but thats cool.

[NAE NOOKIE]

probably does. Its no surprise to anyone that Man Utd have massive international support. The surprise is that some people genuinely believe that means they must have no local support.

it’s like people these days who claim Man City had no support before 2008. Which is absolute rubbish.

still they are funny jokes and if they annoy Mancunians red or blue I’m all for it. I certainly got plenty of abuse there for supporting Hibs :greengrin

Totally true. In fact folk with short memories would do well to remember just how loyal the City fans were as their club plunged down the leagues, they were getting crowds of 30,000 in the 3rd tier, which is impressive in anybody's book.

I always think it's a shame for folk who stuck with City during all the years they watched their club stumble from one mess to another as United hoovered up trophy after trophy and who are now lumped in with fitba tourists and glory hunters ... they don't deserve to have their day in the sun tarnished.

[Stairway 2 7]

Totally true. In fact folk with short memories would do well to remember just how loyal the City fans were as their club plunged down the leagues, they were getting crowds of 30,000 in the 3rd tier, which is impressive in anybody's book.

I always think it's a shame for folk who stuck with City during all the years they watched their club stumble from one mess to another as United hoovered up trophy after trophy and who are now lumped in with fitba tourists and glory hunters ... they don't deserve to have their day in the sun tarnished.
My heart bleeds for them. I know a few including the Father in law and they are loving every minute of it

[The Baldmans Comb]

A glorified training game with 11 sub's at half time, 6 of them unknown youngsters playing a game at 3/4 pace with no tackles in a soulless atmosphere for £40 to £100 would only speak to a certain type of Scottish person.

There is enough of them about though, devoid of confidence, lacking identity , full of insecurity as they desperately try to find an English team "to support" always via Sky Sports and often found in pubs with their moronic give away comment that "Scottish fitba is ***** mate".

Always best responded to with a knowing smile as you clock straight away this is someone with little self respect never to be engaged with and always to be laughed at.

[flash]

A glorified training game with 11 sub's at half time, 6 of them unknown youngsters playing a game at 3/4 pace with no tackles in a soulless atmosphere for £40 to £100 would only speak to a certain type of Scottish person.

There is enough of them about though, devoid of confidence, lacking identity , full of insecurity as they desperately try to find an English team "to support" always via Sky Sports and often found in pubs with their moronic give away comment that "Scottish fitba is ***** mate".

Always best responded to with a knowing smile as you clock straight away this is someone with little self respect never to be engaged with and always to be laughed at.

You going then?

[JimBHibees]

A glorified training game with 11 sub's at half time, 6 of them unknown youngsters playing a game at 3/4 pace with no tackles in a soulless atmosphere for £40 to £100 would only speak to a certain type of Scottish person.

There is enough of them about though, devoid of confidence, lacking identity , full of insecurity as they desperately try to find an English team "to support" always via Sky Sports and often found in pubs with their moronic give away comment that "Scottish fitba is ***** mate".

Always best responded to with a knowing smile as you clock straight away this is someone with little self respect never to be engaged with and always to be laughed at.

Brilliant post :greengrin