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HIBS NUTS
13-05-2023, 08:37 PM
I watched the highlight tonight on sportscene, the aberdeen goalkeeper was miles off his line.
What makes it even worse, is the motherwell penalty was retaken, and it was not as bad.😡

SiinDubai
13-05-2023, 08:42 PM
Well of his line

matty_f
13-05-2023, 08:48 PM
Considering Aberdeen got to retake their penalty against us earlier in the season, that’s very poor.
I haven’t seen it back myself but i was told he still had one foot on the line when the penalty was struck - which is allowed.

wookie70
13-05-2023, 08:50 PM
Watched it on Sportscene and that is a very clear re-take.

Glory Lurker
13-05-2023, 08:50 PM
McKirdy should have taken it. It was only a penalty because he didn't score. Sliding doors, thin margins and all that.

Trinity Hibee
13-05-2023, 08:52 PM
McKirdy should have taken it. It was only a penalty because he didn't score. Sliding doors, thin margins and all that.

Na can’t agree there. If McKirdy had taken it and missed people would have been up in arms. No way has he justified taking a penalty in a huge game. Easy to look back now but other than Boyle, nisbet is probably the other penalty taker in the squad. A striker should always be on pens

SHODAN
13-05-2023, 08:56 PM
Aberdeen keepers have made an art out of coming off the line at penalties. Joe Lewis was the master of it.

Glory Lurker
13-05-2023, 09:00 PM
Na can’t agree there. If McKirdy had taken it and missed people would have been up in arms. No way has he justified taking a penalty in a huge game. Easy to look back now but other than Boyle, nisbet is probably the other penalty taker in the squad. A striker should always be on pens

I'd like to think he was desperate to take it. Easy to say with hindsight but someone with desperation feeding every fibre would have buried that right into King Street.

Donegal Hibby
13-05-2023, 09:02 PM
Considering Aberdeen got to retake their penalty against us earlier in the season, that’s very poor.
I haven’t seen it back myself but i was told he still had one foot on the line when the penalty was struck - which is allowed.
First time I saw it I thought the keeper was off his line though having watched it again I think his foot was on the line tbh .

MWHIBBIES
13-05-2023, 09:03 PM
Na can’t agree there. If McKirdy had taken it and missed people would have been up in arms. No way has he justified taking a penalty in a huge game. Easy to look back now but other than Boyle, nisbet is probably the other penalty taker in the squad. A striker should always be on pens

Why should a striker always be on pens? Ballack, Toure, Pirlo, Lampard, Graham Alexander, Jorginho, Leighton Bains, Fabinho are all well known experts with penalties. Its really nothing to do with what position you play.

Paulie Walnuts
13-05-2023, 09:05 PM
Why should a striker always be on pens? Ballack, Toure, Pirlo, Lampard, Graham Alexander, Jorginho, Leighton Bains, Fabinho are all well known experts with penalties. Its really nothing to do with what position you play.

Graham Alexander :faf:

Completely forgot he was such an accomplished penalty taker. Certainly not someone you’d have expected it from.

bingo70
13-05-2023, 09:13 PM
First time I saw it I thought the keeper was off his line though having watched it again I think his foot was on the line tbh .

So do i. Keeper saves it fair and square I think.

Could possibly freeze frame it tk show otherwise but it was close enough for him to get the benefit of the doubt IMO.

Carheenlea
13-05-2023, 09:16 PM
Given the view from that god-awful away end it was very hard to tell, but the referee did have a bit of a pause while someone was obviously checking on the VAR. View was that bad nobody round us really shouted for a penalty either!

greenginger
13-05-2023, 09:19 PM
Why should a striker always be on pens? Ballack, Toure, Pirlo, Lampard, Graham Alexander, Jorginho, Leighton Bains, Fabinho are all well known experts with penalties. Its really nothing to do with what position you play.

Don't forget our own Joe Davies. A left back who scored dozens of penalties

'mon the beers
13-05-2023, 09:42 PM
Should we not just score it regardless? Just piss poor excuses

Ray_
13-05-2023, 09:48 PM
Don't forget our own Joe Davies. A left back who scored dozens of penalties

Many created by Eric Stevenson. Although the miss against Hamburg was in keeping with the match, three disallowed goals as well!

Hibee Mac
13-05-2023, 09:53 PM
Should have scored it, but it absolutely should have been retaken he's miles off his line.

Yet another example of VAR being an inconsistent mess

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NORTHERNHIBBY
13-05-2023, 09:55 PM
If Nisbet had stuck it away we would have been howling had a retake been called. In all honesty that was a really poorly taken penalty and whether the keeper was off his line makes no difference.

Unseen work
13-05-2023, 09:58 PM
If Nisbet had stuck it away we would have been howling had a retake been called. In all honesty that was a really poorly taken penalty and whether the keeper was off his line makes no difference.

Genuine question, can a retake be given if you score and the keeper is too far off the line?

Not sure I’ve seen that before.

Carheenlea
13-05-2023, 10:00 PM
If Nisbet had stuck it away we would have been howling had a retake been called. In all honesty that was a really poorly taken penalty and whether the keeper was off his line makes no difference.

They can’t order a retake if the keeper was off his line and didn’t save the penalty can they?

LaMotta
13-05-2023, 10:01 PM
If Nisbet had stuck it away we would have been howling had a retake been called. In all honesty that was a really poorly taken penalty and whether the keeper was off his line makes no difference.

It was poor but so what, if he was off his line then it should be retaken, so it makes a huge difference. Ask Van Veen at Motherwell.

matty_f
13-05-2023, 10:07 PM
It was poor but so what, if he was off his line then it should be retaken, so it makes a huge difference. Ask Van Veen at Motherwell.

Or David Marshall, who saved one at Pittodrie earlier in the season only to have to face a retake for stepping off his line.

LaMotta
13-05-2023, 10:08 PM
Or David Marshall, who saved one at Pittodrie earlier in the season only to have to face a retake for stepping off his line.

:agree::agree::agree:

wookie70
13-05-2023, 10:08 PM
Having looked again I think I was a bit hasty. I think their keeper does not have his foot on the line but looking at the laws that is not needed. He just needs to have his foot in line with the line and I think it was.

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NORTHERNHIBBY
13-05-2023, 10:15 PM
It was poor but so what, if he was off his line then it should be retaken, so it makes a huge difference. Ask Van Veen at Motherwell.

Perhaps. Not sure that the keeper was getting any advantage though.

Unseen work
13-05-2023, 10:31 PM
Or David Marshall, who saved one at Pittodrie earlier in the season only to have to face a retake for stepping off his line.

I think that is the real frustration for me.

I’m not one for moaning about keepers coming off their line.

But Duk dived for the pen in a first half where imo we were better than them, they then missed the pen and got a retake.

I don’t think what Marshall done that day is that different to what 99% of keepers do every penalty.

We’re not given the benefit of the doubt today.

Annoying.

wookie70
13-05-2023, 10:39 PM
I think that is the real frustration for me.

I’m not one for moaning about keepers coming off their line.

But Duk dived for the pen in a first half where imo we were better than them, they then missed the pen and got a retake.

I don’t think what Marshall done that day is that different to what 99% of keepers do every penalty.

We’re not given the benefit of the doubt today.

Annoying.

Marshall was a good bit off his line so VAR got that right. Pity they got the decision to award the pen so wrong in the first place

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B.H.F.C
13-05-2023, 11:16 PM
Penalty should have been scored. Was a poor effort.

Onceinawhile
14-05-2023, 12:29 AM
Having looked again I think I was a bit hasty. I think their keeper does not have his foot on the line but looking at the laws that is not needed. He just needs to have his foot in line with the line and I think it was.

26726

Yeh, his foot is overhanging the line so it is, unfortunately ok.

ozhibs
14-05-2023, 01:12 AM
Why should a striker always be on pens? Ballack, Toure, Pirlo, Lampard, Graham Alexander, Jorginho, Leighton Bains, Fabinho are all well known experts with penalties. Its really nothing to do with what position you play.

Joe Baker
GGTTH

Trinity Hibee
14-05-2023, 03:12 AM
Why should a striker always be on pens? Ballack, Toure, Pirlo, Lampard, Graham Alexander, Jorginho, Leighton Bains, Fabinho are all well known experts with penalties. Its really nothing to do with what position you play.

Strikers in general are better at finishing and hitting the target than other players. Quite simple logic really. There are other players who can hit a penalty granted but in a huge percentage of cases your forward takes the penalty. I wouldn’t say we have many technical gifted players capable of taking a pen ahead of a striker

soupy
14-05-2023, 05:46 AM
Tam McIntyre scored a good few penalty's for Hibs as a centre half.

Stokesy's on fire
14-05-2023, 05:46 AM
Aye its a certain retake we have been robbed by var so many times this season. Var has cost is a clear finish in 3rd place

MWHIBBIES
14-05-2023, 07:23 AM
Strikers in general are better at finishing and hitting the target than other players. Quite simple logic really. There are other players who can hit a penalty granted but in a huge percentage of cases your forward takes the penalty. I wouldn’t say we have many technical gifted players capable of taking a pen ahead of a striker
From 12 yards with nothing in the way, any professional can hit the target.

It's about composure and practice, not technical ability imo. Forwards do take penalties, probably because they spend the most time practicing them.

James Milner is another. One of the best takers around. Never been known for his finishing.

AFKA5814_Hibs
14-05-2023, 11:05 AM
At the end of the day it was a piss poor penalty. Stick it in the corner and its a goal.

Carheenlea
14-05-2023, 11:26 AM
I didn’t feel 100% confident for Nisbet to score, but had McKirdy stepped up I’m not sure that confidence would have been any greater.

Would have half expected him to try something radical in the vein of Jason Cummings “panenka” or suchlike.

It was just typical really that after a season of VAR injustices that when we do get one in our favour we waste the opportunity presented to us.

JohnM1875
14-05-2023, 11:38 AM
McKirdy should have taken it. It was only a penalty because he didn't score. Sliding doors, thin margins and all that.

Said the same at the time. Get why he didn't though, but wasn't confident at all of Nisbet scoring the pen.

Definitely should have been a re-take. Var checked it as well so **** knows why it wasn't a retake. Oh, that's right, our referees are ****ing useless!

Keith_M
14-05-2023, 11:44 AM
TBF, we missed so many opportunities during the game that we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

Radge70
14-05-2023, 11:54 AM
Why should a striker always be on pens? Ballack, Toure, Pirlo, Lampard, Graham Alexander, Jorginho, Leighton Bains, Fabinho are all well known experts with penalties. Its really nothing to do with what position you play.

Tommy Macintyre, Hamish Mcalpine, René Higuita

Gloucester Hibs
14-05-2023, 11:59 AM
Tommy Macintyre, Hamish Mcalpine, René Higuita

José Luis Chilavert

A Hi-Bee
14-05-2023, 12:40 PM
Tam McIntyre scored a good few penalty's for Hibs as a centre half.

Joe Davis left back, was one of the best I have seen taking pens, even he missed a couple.

Radge70
14-05-2023, 12:42 PM
José Luis Chilavert

Jorge Campos as well although technically he was also a striker

Kato
14-05-2023, 01:05 PM
Kano had a great technique. Blooter it.

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Trinity Hibee
14-05-2023, 01:30 PM
If we look at our squad, as Boyle is missing, nisbet is our best striker of the ball. Could maybe make a case for newell but that’s it. Youans finishing still needs to improve. McKirdy has shown little to suggest it should be him taking it.

where'stheslope
14-05-2023, 03:27 PM
Having looked again I think I was a bit hasty. I think their keeper does not have his foot on the line but looking at the laws that is not needed. He just needs to have his foot in line with the line and I think it was.

26726
That is the rule, as long as 1 foot on the line its OK!
My view is even if the goalkeeper had just stood on his line, he would have saved a very badly taken penalty.
Straight down the middle is always has a risk of hitting the keepers legs!!!

wookie70
14-05-2023, 03:49 PM
That is the rule, as long as 1 foot on the line its OK!
My view is even if the goalkeeper had just stood on his line, he would have saved a very badly taken penalty.
Straight down the middle is always has a risk of hitting the keepers legs!!! I thought the rule was one foot on the line too but the foot doesn't need to be touching the line just not in front of it

McD
14-05-2023, 03:56 PM
I thought the rule was one foot on the line too but the foot doesn't need to be touching the line just not in front of it

yep, the foot can be above the line, as long as it’s not in front

Northernhibee
15-05-2023, 11:15 AM
By the laws of the game, should have been a red for the handball denying a goal.

Bristolhibby
15-05-2023, 11:51 AM
Having looked again I think I was a bit hasty. I think their keeper does not have his foot on the line but looking at the laws that is not needed. He just needs to have his foot in line with the line and I think it was.

26726

So to use an NFL analogy, he just has to “break the plane”.

J

easty
15-05-2023, 12:21 PM
From 12 yards with nothing in the way, any professional can hit the target.

It's about composure and practice, not technical ability imo. Forwards do take penalties, probably because they spend the most time practicing them.

James Milner is another. One of the best takers around. Never been known for his finishing.

James Ward Prowse strikes a ball as well as anyone, and he’s missed two pens this season. It happens.

easty
15-05-2023, 12:24 PM
José Luis Chilavert

German goalie Hans Jorg Butt scored 3 pens in the champions league, all for different teams (Hamburg, Leverkusen and Bayern), and all against Juve.

wookie70
15-05-2023, 01:41 PM
So to use an NFL analogy, he just has to “break the plane”.

J Spot on

brog
15-05-2023, 01:48 PM
1. It wasn't a retake unfortunately, my 1st impression was he was off line but was just ok.
2. Great players miss pens, it happens. Messi has missed plenty.
3. I give you Ray Stewart as best defender/pen taker though I remember Shaun Dennis scoring at Pittodrie!