The battle for 4th [Archive] - hibs.net Messageboard

Tambo

13-05-2023, 07:48 PM

How does everyone see it going now after today?

9 points left to play for with 3 tough games coming up for us, I have a sneaky feeling they will beat Aberdeen so we really need to win one of the two home games vs the old firm.

Aberdeen should have 3rd wrapped up the following Wednesday after next weekends games as I can't see hearts getting a result at ibrox.

We really need the same energy as today and the first half from last week to make it difficult for them.

As long as we are in touching distance of Hearts come the Derby please, exciting end to the season though.

Green Reaper

13-05-2023, 07:53 PM

I think Don's will beat hertz next week and finish 3rd with the derby deciding 4th

LewysGot2

13-05-2023, 07:54 PM

Aberdeen to beat Hearts
Us to draw with That Lot

Rangers to beat Hearts
Us to draw with the Other Lot

Draw at the Guntery

Job done

Unseen work

13-05-2023, 07:54 PM

We’re beating one of the old firm.

Very confident about it.

I appreciate there is 0 reason why I should be confident 🤣

bingo70

13-05-2023, 08:04 PM

I think we will take something from the old firm but will probably lose to Hearts.

IMO Aberdeen will finish 3rd, Hearts 4th and we will be 5th. If the season went on another month we would finish 3rd, it doesn’t though, so we won’t.

AFKA5814_Hibs

13-05-2023, 08:09 PM

Hibs will finish 5th. Tbh, that's probably where we expect us to be.

Since452

13-05-2023, 08:20 PM

Hearts will beat Aberdeen at home next week. I think it'll all come down to the last day.

Waxy

13-05-2023, 08:22 PM

Just give us the chance to overtake them with a derby win.
Please football gods let it be.

bingo70

13-05-2023, 08:23 PM

Hearts will beat Aberdeen at home next week. I think it'll all come down to the last day.

I agree, Hearts home form has been good.

Aberdeen will beat St Mirren on the same day hearts will lose to rangers at Ibrox though. I think I’m right in saying that’d be enough for Aberdeen to secure 3rd?

Tambo

13-05-2023, 08:41 PM

I agree, Hearts home form has been good.

Aberdeen will beat St Mirren on the same day hearts will lose to rangers at Ibrox though. I think I’m right in saying that’d be enough for Aberdeen to secure 3rd?

Yes if thats how results go, would love aberdeen to win next week though and would be hilarious if if somehow managed a miracle and got 6 in the next two games and hearts got 0. Would be some party last day.

Ronniekirk

13-05-2023, 09:13 PM

California-Hibs

13-05-2023, 09:14 PM

Firstly, how we never won today is anyone's guess. Hitting the woodwork 4 (FOUR!) times in a game along with missing a penalty and a host of other big chances, Aberdeen got a couple of Christmases rolled into one!

Anyway, here's my thoughts. I think 5th as a minimum is already secured, and with the ever likelihood of Celtic winning the Scottish Cup, we've in my opinion already secured a Euopean Place.

Now, the twists and turned for 4th. I think Aberdeen have secured 3rd now, but 4th is definitely still on, and would have been even more on had we been level with Hearts today if not for their lucky last second penalty for a wee point.

Here's how I think it'll go.....

Hibs -

VS Rangers Home.....1 point

VS Celtic Home......0 points

VS Hearts Away......1 point

Hearts -

VS Aberdeen Home.....1 point

VS Rangers Away......0 points

VS Hibs Home........1 point

Aberdeen -

VS Hearts Away.......1 point

VS St Mirren Home.....3 points

VS Celtic Away.......0 points

St Mirren -

Celtic Home, Aberdeen Away, Rangers Home.....yeah the Saints are done for points now for the season, and even if they get 1 win and 3 points we'd still finish above them on GD even if we lose all our games. That's why I think 5th and Europe is already all but confirmed.

I think today was a major swing in things, us only getting the 1 point instead of the deserved 3, but more so Hearts staying 1 point ahead with their draw, instead of what was looking to be the case, level with us.

Aberdeen
Hearts
Hibs

That being said, play like we did today and there's no reason we can't do what we done just a few weeks ago to the Jambos and beat them again and claim 4th on the last day..

California-Hibs

13-05-2023, 09:15 PM

Hibs will finish 5th. Tbh, that's probably where we expect us to be.

European Football from it will do me 👌

neil7908

13-05-2023, 09:34 PM

A win today would have seen 3rd potentially in our sights 😭

NORTHERNHIBBY

13-05-2023, 09:48 PM

Arguably, we were scrabbling for top six, so anything above that is a bonus. Setting aside the Jambo-love-in from Sportscene, the fact that it could come down to the final game of the season, to sort out fourth from fifth, is a credit to how we have hung in there given that Hearts were "cementing" third place as early as January.

jacomo

13-05-2023, 10:32 PM

We’re beating one of the old firm.

Very confident about it.

I appreciate there is 0 reason why I should be confident 🤣

Tbf Celtc might be on their holidays already.

Dashing Bob S

14-05-2023, 07:09 AM

Felt disappointed we didn't win. Story of the season.

GreenCastle

14-05-2023, 07:14 AM

JimBHibees

14-05-2023, 07:16 AM

Tbf Celtc might be on their holidays already.

They have a cup final to play also

Moulin Yarns

14-05-2023, 07:40 AM

Tbf Celtc might be on their holidays already.

I think rangers winning yesterday means that they have achieved what they wanted, to beat Celtc. Nothing else to play for. There for the taking. IMHO

Bridge hibs

14-05-2023, 07:43 AM

They have a cup final to play also

Celtic are celtic and no matter what team they decide to put out we will still have to be at the top of our game, we might not get many chances but any we do get we have to get them right

Celtic were poor yesterday all over the park and watching McGregor running was like he was wearing welly boots. They seemed light up front with I think one shot on target in the whole game. Their defence didnt look too clever either, especially their full backs, big game which we can certainly win

The rangers looked decent and well up for it but that was no surprise as they had to give their fans something to shout about. They have nothing to play for and may stick a couple of fringe players in, youth like they done with keeper McRorie or the likes of Arfield, Kamara or Wright, again though we will have to be at the top of our game because they will bring a big support and will want to build on their win v celtic

B.H.F.C

14-05-2023, 08:16 AM

Yesterday was just another frustrating day and sums up the season.

A good opportunity to get back into the mix but we couldn’t take chances.

We have to remember how poor Aberdeen were yesterday and how poor they have been for the majority of his season and they will still finish above us.

Fine margins maybe but with our recent record in Aberdeen and Hearts dropping points yesterday we needed the win.

Think we also need to remember how poor we have been for the majority of the season.

I thought we looked like a team yesterday, that’s as well as I’ve seen us play in Aberdeen for a long time. Ultimately we didn’t win so it doesn’t really matter but yesterday actually gave me a bit of hope going in to next season that there is something to build on. Thought yesterday, yet again, showed how much we need that bit of quality middle to front.

Disappointed as we had a chance to get third with a win but, given what we’ve watched this season, I think results yesterday all but secured a European spot which I didn’t think I’d be saying a few months ago.

MWHIBBIES

14-05-2023, 08:44 AM

I think rangers winning yesterday means that they have achieved what they wanted, to beat Celtc. Nothing else to play for. There for the taking. IMHO

Rangers are not there for the taking. Did you not see them absolutely **** all over us at Easter Road a few months ago, without even getting out of 2nd gear?

Hiber-nation

14-05-2023, 09:13 AM

Rangers are not there for the taking. Did you not see them absolutely **** all over us at Easter Road a few months ago, without even getting out of 2nd gear?

Yep. Celtic will find it hard to get back into gear again so hopefully we can take advantage. A few of their players will probably be rested for the Cup Final as they look spent. The huns are playing well, have the momentum and it will be very tough.

Eyrie

14-05-2023, 09:28 AM

If we're clutching at straws on the Ugly Sisters, then Sevco have just won their cup final yesterday so may relax against us.

Celtc can take their frustration at yesterday's loss out on St Mirren, but when they play us their minds will be on the trophy presentation in their final home game and the cup final.

Back in reality, we will need to be at our best to even get a draw out of either game.

S4uzee

14-05-2023, 09:32 AM

Blown it by an inability to score a penalty. Similar to MacLaren up there in 2018

Smartie

14-05-2023, 09:51 AM

Rangers are not there for the taking. Did you not see them absolutely **** all over us at Easter Road a few months ago, without even getting out of 2nd gear?

Not saying they’re there for the taking but I do think it depends on which Hibs turn up.

The team who were horsed by Rangers at ER would get horsed again but we’d given them a decent game at Ibrox not long before that, then after we’d improved we gave Celtic a decent game at Parkhead.

They’re a good team with some good players but they’re nowhere near Celtic imo and I don’t think we should be fearing them, especially at home in a game that means nothing to them other than misguided sectarian poison.

Alex Trager

14-05-2023, 09:54 AM

Not saying they’re there for the taking but I do think it depends on which Hibs turn up.

The team who were horsed by Rangers at ER would get horsed again but we’d given them a decent game at Ibrox not long before that, then after we’d improved we gave Celtic a decent game at Parkhead.

They’re a good team with some good players but they’re nowhere near Celtic imo and I don’t think we should be fearing them, especially at home in a game that means nothing to them other than misguided sectarian poison.

Sectarian poison is never misguided

👀

Smartie

14-05-2023, 09:57 AM

Sectarian poison is never misguided

👀

When Rangers are targeting it at us, I think it is.

They’ll be up for the game in a sense that it’s King Charles’ chosen ones putting the wee papes in their place - which is drivel.

MWHIBBIES

14-05-2023, 10:19 AM

Blown it by an inability to score a penalty. Similar to MacLaren up there in 2018

Win the next 3 matches, we finish 4th at worst. How have we blown it?

theonlywayisup

14-05-2023, 10:59 AM

Ringothedog

14-05-2023, 11:34 AM

I think we need a repeat of the Mixu run of a few years ago, when we beat Hertz at Tiny then defended resolutely against both of the Old Firm, whilst they were both chasing the title to earn a draw in each game. Five points and we've got a decent chance of 4th place. Anything less and I'm not convinced it'll be enough.

If results go the way I think they will then we will need to win at Tynecastle. They will draw with Aberdeen and lose to Celtic. We will more than likely lose both our games to Rantic.

JohnM1875

14-05-2023, 11:43 AM

Play like we did yesterday we'll finish fourth. Beat Sevco and Hearts.

Sevco seasons done, they just beat Celtic as well so they can live off that until next season.

B.H.F.C

14-05-2023, 11:45 AM

If results go the way I think they will then we will need to win at Tynecastle. They will draw with Aberdeen and lose to Celtic. We will more than likely lose both our games to Rantic.

I think Hearts will beat Aberdeen at Tynecastle. Thought Aberdeen were really poor yesterday and they’ll be missing Duk now you’d imagine. Aberdeen have ground out results rather than played well and don’t think that is sustainable.

We will need to take something from the next couple of games to go to Tynecastle with a chance of catching them IMO.

scoopyboy

14-05-2023, 11:48 AM

My bet would be we will finish 5th.

Would be good to go to Tynecastle in the knowledge that a win would make us finish above them.

Unlike others I don't think we will take anything from the old firm games.

Nicho87

14-05-2023, 11:53 AM

I just want us to have a go at the old firm especially at Easter road. They’re free hits usually these days. Don’t like sitting in against them. Have a go and see where it gets us. If we can take it to tynie with beating them to secure 4th given where we were mid season LJ gets the credit he probably deserves given the circumstances I think.

A Hi-Bee

14-05-2023, 12:30 PM

This is Hibs we are talking about, I would not bet on them for sure, who knows it could be 4th or 5th we may even miss out altogether nothing would surprise me, been watching them for way to long now.
:thumbsup:

Onion

14-05-2023, 12:36 PM

JohnM1875

14-05-2023, 12:38 PM

Yesterday was a massive missed opportunity, so think we'll miss out on 4th.... but nice to watch Hearts squirming at the thought of this Hibs team finishing above them.

Beat Hearts to 4th wouldl be a hoot :greengrin

We're a point behind Hearts and they drew with the team we beat. Think we'll finish above them.

ancient hibee

14-05-2023, 01:39 PM

If results go the way I think they will then we will need to win at Tynecastle. They will draw with Aberdeen and lose to Celtic. We will more than likely lose both our games to Rantic.
I
I’m willing to bet Hearts will lose 2-0 to Celtic.

Billy Whizz

14-05-2023, 01:49 PM

Tambo

14-05-2023, 03:26 PM

Next weekends games are quite pivotal in getting 4th. We need to at least match Hearts result v Aberdeen. We’ll know what we need to do, as our game is 24 hours later
We need them in our sights going to Tynie on the last day, where a Hibs win would give us 4th

I would love a win for the sheep, I was just going off the game yesterday as I they weren't very good tbh and Hearts usally good at home.

A win for Aberdeen then even 2 points would be good but 3 points from 6 would be great knowing a win or draw at Tiny would be enough for 4th.

All ifs and maybes but makes its an exciting end from our previous seasons.

where'stheslope

14-05-2023, 03:36 PM

Next weekends games are quite pivotal in getting 4th. We need to at least match Hearts result v Aberdeen. We’ll know what we need to do, as our game is 24 hours later
We need them in our sights going to Tynie on the last day, where a Hibs win would give us 4th
Problem is if Hearts win against Aberdeen then lose to Rangers, if results go their way, they could be playing us to overtake Aberdeen for third.
Its all up in the air until results come in, but its an end to the season we never expected, but now have to play for glory!!!

Dunbar Hibee

14-05-2023, 04:21 PM

No idea why but I really fancy us to beat Hearts at Tynie . Don’t think we will take anything from Celtic but perhaps a point from Rangers.

danhibees1875

14-05-2023, 04:58 PM

Win the next 3 matches, we finish 4th at worst. How have we blown it?

Blown the chance to be in the mix for 3rd going into the final games.

Billy Whizz

14-05-2023, 04:59 PM

I would love a win for the sheep, I was just going off the game yesterday as I they weren't very good tbh and Hearts usally good at home.

A win for Aberdeen then even 2 points would be good but 3 points from 6 would be great knowing a win or draw at Tiny would be enough for 4th.

All ifs and maybes but makes its an exciting end from our previous seasons.

Realistically we are playing for 4th. We can only get to 57 pts, Aberdeen are on 54, so if they were to beat St Mirren at home, they will reach 57

The more I think about an Aberdeen win at Tynecastle is best for Hibs

Tambo

14-05-2023, 06:33 PM

Realistically we are playing for 4th. We can only get to 57 pts, Aberdeen are on 54, so if they were to beat St Mirren at home, they will reach 57

The more I think about an Aberdeen win at Tynecastle is best for Hibs

I'm not still hanging on to 3rd, 4th is the highest all though if hearts do beat Aberdeen then we are going to need to win one of the old firm games for 4th. 2 points would also be enough then we would have to beat Hearts.

5th and European football would be a not bad first season for Johnson but still a few games left and could be set up for a great last game.

B.H.F.C

14-05-2023, 06:42 PM

Bristolhibby

17-05-2023, 01:45 PM

European Football from it will do me 👌

And avoiding the League Cup groups.

J

Bristolhibby

17-05-2023, 01:47 PM

Problem is if Hearts win against Aberdeen then lose to Rangers, if results go their way, they could be playing us to overtake Aberdeen for third.
Its all up in the air until results come in, but its an end to the season we never expected, but now have to play for glory!!!

Who says the split is rubbish?

It’s proving it’s worth this season.

Bar the OF, it’s all going down to the wire.

J

Smartie

17-05-2023, 02:49 PM

Who says the split is rubbish?

It’s proving it’s worth this season.

Bar the OF, it’s all going down to the wire.

J

Unpopular opinion but I like the split.

Maybe I would have a different opinion if we'd finished 7th on goal difference and it doesn't work out for the best every year, but exactly as you say - it has been good this year.

GRA

17-05-2023, 03:18 PM

All I ask is we are in a position where a win on the last game of the season will see us secure 4th.

Hibernian Verse

17-05-2023, 03:20 PM

All I ask is we are in a position where a win on the last game of the season will see us secure 4th.

I'd prefer to be playing Hearts this weekend as the last two times we've played the old firm twice in quick succession we've gone on bad runs.

bingo70

17-05-2023, 03:33 PM

Unpopular opinion but I like the split.

Maybe I would have a different opinion if we'd finished 7th on goal difference and it doesn't work out for the best every year, but exactly as you say - it has been good this year.

I love the split. Would be good if they could iron out the imperfections so all teams got even number of home/away games but as a concept I think it’s great.

marinello59

17-05-2023, 04:04 PM

I love the split. Would be good if they could iron out the imperfections so all teams got even number of home/away games but as a concept I think it’s great.

It’s great. It took a while for me to be won round after initially disliking it but it does its job of keeping the league interesting all the way to the end.

greenlex

17-05-2023, 04:09 PM

Who says the split is rubbish?

It’s proving it’s worth this season.

Bar the OF, it’s all going down to the wire.

J
I think it’s rubbish. It would probably have gone to the wire anyway with the onus on winning more than the two or three of the remaining handful of games rather than writing off the old firm ones and hoping for the best against the others.

ancient hibee

17-05-2023, 07:35 PM

hibbydog

17-05-2023, 09:08 PM

Och

Old firm games then Hearts away means I’ll take anything we can get. I think we’ll finish 5th. And based on budgets it’s where we should be finishing. We are punching our weight.

Lee Johnson has made a reasonable start in his new job and I’m looking forward to us letting him learn as we go, then seeing the benefits of some stability for a change.

A decent seasons work

Greenio

18-05-2023, 05:54 AM

I think we'll beat The Rangers, draw with Celtic and lose to Hearts.

greenlex

18-05-2023, 02:51 PM

[QUOTE=greenlex;7352021]I think it’s rubbish. It would probably have gone to the wire anyway with the onus on winning more than the two or three of the remaining handful of games rather than writing off the old firm ones and hoping for the best against the others.[/QUOTE

Surely the fact that you’re playing against the teams also fighting for the same league placings make it much more exciting and fairer.

You could still be if the fixtures fall that way rather than contrived. The games might need to be won in a non split scenario rather than the playing for a draw or not get beaten against a direct opponent for a position if that would do you.
There’s also a possibility that the top four could be more or less settled and no euro place for fifth to get excited about.
It’s certainly worked out in the excitement stakes this year to be fair but not a fan of the split at all.

Tambo

18-05-2023, 05:37 PM

I think we'll beat The Rangers, draw with Celtic and lose to Hearts.

Could still get us 4th if other results and goal difference go for us 😁

hibee-boys

18-05-2023, 09:21 PM

I’d settle for going into the derby needing a win for 4th, pressure all on them in that situation after the start to the season they had compared to us.

Kato

18-05-2023, 10:13 PM

I’d settle for going into the derby needing a win for 4th, pressure all on them in that situation after the start to the season they had compared to us.Tasty

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Keith_M

19-05-2023, 09:53 AM

I’d settle for going into the derby needing a win for 4th, pressure all on them in that situation after the start to the season they had compared to us.

John Robertson would probably come on as a sub in the 90th minute and score the winner for them... despite being 58 y/o.

King Cosell

19-05-2023, 01:57 PM

It'll be intersesting to see the Celtic line-up tomorrow. They'll probably be at full strength for Aberdeen at home on the final day, so if they pick players like Carter-Vickers, McGregor, Kyogo & Jota tomorrow, they probably won't play against us on Wednesday.

007

19-05-2023, 02:15 PM

JohnM1875

20-05-2023, 02:04 PM

Win tomorrow and we're three points off third. Let's do it, Hibs!

bingo70

20-05-2023, 02:05 PM

Win tomorrow and we're three points off third. Let's do it, Hibs!

Need to win one of our next two games to have a chance of 4th.

Big ask now to be honest.

B.H.F.C

20-05-2023, 02:07 PM

Celtic got their strongest available team out today. Hoping they leave the likes of Kyogo out on Wednesday. Don’t think they’ll all play in all three games they have but they’ll go strong on last day with getting the trophy.

007

20-05-2023, 02:12 PM

Need to win one of our next two games to have a chance of 4th.

Big ask now to be honest.

Not necessarily, 2 draws and Hearts losing at Ibrox would have us 2 points behind Hearts.

bingo70

20-05-2023, 02:34 PM

Not necessarily, 2 draws and Hearts losing at Ibrox would have us 2 points behind Hearts.

Oh aye right enough.

Watching Celtic just now and they’ve got their flip flops on in this game, hopefully continues through to Wednesday night

Pretty Boy

20-05-2023, 02:44 PM

Difficult to say how it will play out against Celtic. Reckon they will want their core team to play on presentation day so a few of them may be rested midweek. Issue for us is that could be a last chance for some of them to stake a claim for a cup final spot.

We gave a decent account of ourselves at Celtic Park so I think we just have to play our own game and not worry too much about who is or isn't playing for either Rangers or Celtic. There seems a bit of a myth that Rangers are vulnerable but their league record under Beale is good, there was a lot of bravado last time and we got absolutely roasted if we are being honest. I'm actually quite happy we now know we need something from at least one of the games if we want to keep our hopes for 4th alive going into the last game. Forces our hand a wee bit and we should see a fair bit attacking impetuous from us.

Tambo

20-05-2023, 02:55 PM

The players know what's required to still be in with a chance at 4th now after todays result so its up to them now.

Can't see the diets beating the fulls during the week so we need at least 2 points minimum from 6 to be in with a shoot out for 4th.

3 points in either would be massive.

Edit: have just seen the St Mirren halftime score, still fighting away themselves. Exciting last few weeks both ends of the table.

Heisenberg

20-05-2023, 02:56 PM

Could really do with Celtic turning it around today.

Bridge hibs

20-05-2023, 03:05 PM

Could really do with Celtic turning it around today.Yep, battle for 5th is just as daunting

Alfred E Newman

20-05-2023, 03:43 PM

Yep, battle for 5th is just as daunting

Yip. You just know that the last day will have Hearts needing to win to be 3rd and a defeat leaving us 6th.

Glory Lurker

20-05-2023, 03:48 PM

Yep, battle for 5th is just as daunting

Aye, that's probably what we're scrapping for now after that result earlier. Bloody hearts.

scm70nyd1973

20-05-2023, 04:20 PM

Yep, battle for 5th is just as daunting

Even worse now that - according to the BBC - St Mirren are now level on points with us - how fechin bad are they - FFS

Spike Mandela

20-05-2023, 04:29 PM

4th gone imo. We'll do well just to hold on to 5th.

SHODAN

20-05-2023, 04:32 PM

Aberdeen will beat St Mirren and lose to Celtic. 57 points.
Hearts will lose at Ibrox and go into the final game on 52.
St Mirren will lose both of their games (hopefully) and stay on 46. I don't see them going ahead of us.

Therefore our potential finishes are as follows:

3rd: Win all three remaining games and hope Aberdeen's GD doesn't significantly improve.
4th: Win the derby and one of the OF games.
5th: Anything else.

hibee_girl

20-05-2023, 04:41 PM

Even worse now that - according to the BBC - St Mirren are now level on points with us - how fechin bad are they - FFS

We’re two points ahead of St Mirren

scm70nyd1973

20-05-2023, 04:58 PM

We’re two points ahead of St Mirren

Sure do know that but just pointing out that the BBC are muppets 🤭

bingo70

20-05-2023, 05:27 PM

4th gone imo. We'll do well just to hold on to 5th.

Without wanting to tempt fate, we should still be ok for 5th.

St Murn would still need to beat Aberdeen away or rangers at home. Not impossible but I personally don’t think they will.

Brightside

20-05-2023, 05:48 PM

Is 6th a good season.

Gmack7

20-05-2023, 05:51 PM

Is 6th a good season.

For everyone apart from Celtic rangers Aberdeen hearts and us it probably is yes

Glory Lurker

20-05-2023, 05:52 PM

Is 6th a good season.

Good question. I've put it through a science and it came out "no for us, nut". Heed the science.

lucky

20-05-2023, 05:54 PM

Is 6th a good season.

No a minimum of 5th is where Hibs should be finishing every year.i actually think that we are going to see the same top5 every year as the budgets of the Old Firm dictates 1st & 2nd. Hibs, Yams and Dons will be compete for 3rd going forward. Money talks even in the small pond of Scottish football

greenlex

20-05-2023, 05:56 PM

erin go bragh

20-05-2023, 05:57 PM

Win all three and 3rd could be ours

bingo70

20-05-2023, 05:57 PM

Is 6th a good season.

No, not a good season but still heading in the right direction.

bingo70

20-05-2023, 06:01 PM

St Mirren will beat Aberdeen. We will need to beat hearts.

You might end up being right but there’s a reason Aberdeen are so far ahead of St Mirren.

Aberdeen are a better side than them and have a really good home record. St Mirren have a really poor away record. Nothing is certain of course and time will tell but I think you are being a bit hasty saying we will need to beat Hearts.

The Modfather

20-05-2023, 06:01 PM

Is 6th a good season.

4th, 5th or 6th. I’m not sure any of those positions change the job Johnson has done. Small progress in an otherwise forgettable season IMO.

Keith_M

20-05-2023, 06:07 PM

St Mirren will beat Aberdeen. We will need to beat hearts.

I don't think they will. Aberdeen have a pretty decent home record and will also have some missing players, like Duk, back for that game.

Hibs will either finish 4th or (more likely) 5th.

JamesHFC

20-05-2023, 06:07 PM

4th, 5th or 6th. I’m not sure any of those positions change the job Johnson has done. Small progress in an otherwise forgettable season IMO.

Qualifying for Europe and a win against Hearts is what most would take at the beginning of the season. It has been quite underwhelming though with many points dropped in games we should be winning.

Hopefully some smart recruitment this summer.

bingo70

20-05-2023, 06:15 PM

Qualifying for Europe and a win against Hearts is what most would take at the beginning of the season. It has been quite underwhelming though with many points dropped in games we should be winning.

Hopefully some smart recruitment this summer.

Also been some big wins like pumping Aberdeen 6-0 and scoring 4 away at Livingston. Add in the last minute equalisers against Rangers and Hearts i definitely wouldn’t say it’s been a forgettable season. Think there’s been quite a few memorable points throughout the season.

I think it’s been a season of extremes, we’ve either been really good or really bad with not much in between.

IMO we will finish 5th and that’s not a bad season, not brilliant but alright and a fair reflection of where we’re at just now.

JamesHFC

20-05-2023, 06:27 PM

bingo70

20-05-2023, 06:33 PM

Good feel factor after the arrival of Boyle and the equalisers you mentioned. The amount of injuries we have picked up for key players put a damper on things too.

Be happy for this season to end and we can have a fully fit team ready for our European adventure shall we qualify.

Aye, I’ve been critical of LJ a fair bit throughout the season but I’m quite excited about next season now. Exciting summer ahead IMO.

SHODAN

20-05-2023, 06:38 PM

Is 6th a good season.

No.

JamesHFC

20-05-2023, 06:42 PM

Aye, I’ve been critical of LJ a fair bit throughout the season but I’m quite excited about next season now. Exciting summer ahead IMO.

A big first transfer window for McDermott with Fish, Egan-Riley & Nisbet most likely needing replaced. Mykola & McGeady also leaving a void in attack as things stand.

B.H.F.C

20-05-2023, 06:45 PM

Aye, I’ve been critical of LJ a fair bit throughout the season but I’m quite excited about next season now. Exciting summer ahead IMO.

I have some optimism for the first time in ages. Basically last summer killed us. Whilst the team we’ve had on the park in the last few weeks clearly needs improved, Johnson has finally managed to get them organised and looking like a team and getting the best from what he has available. And per my comment on last summer, it’s telling that it’s without most of the players we brought in then.

Hope we don’t blow 5th (don’t think we will) but do things properly this summer and we can go in to next season with some hope IMO.

basehibby

21-05-2023, 12:43 AM

I have some optimism for the first time in ages. Basically last summer killed us. Whilst the team we’ve had on the park in the last few weeks clearly needs improved, Johnson has finally managed to get them organised and looking like a team and getting the best from what he has available. And per my comment on last summer, it’s telling that it’s without most of the players we brought in then.

Hope we don’t blow 5th (don’t think we will) but do things properly this summer and we can go in to next season with some hope IMO.

Fair to say that last summer's window was far from an outstanding success with not enough proven quality signed. However, 8 of the 16 players signed last summer were actually in the squad that faced Aberdeen last Sat with 3 starting (Marshall, Fish & Youan) and another 2 (Mckirdy and Henderson) coming on as subs.

From last year's Greggs thread here are the players that were signed...
Momodou Bojang, one year loan (striker, Rainbow)
Martin Boyle, three year contract (midfielder, Al-Faisaly)
Rocky Bushiri, three year contract (defender, Norwich)
Marijan Cabraja, three year contract (defender, Dinamo Zagreb)
Will Fish, one year loan (defender, Man Utd)
Ewan Henderson, three year contract (midfielder, Celtic)
Nohan Kenneh, three year contract (midfielder, Leeds)
Mykola Kukharevych, one year loan (striker, Troyes)
David Marshall, two year contract (goalkeeper, QPR)
Kyle McClelland, three year contract (defender, Rangers)
Aiden McGeady, one year contract (midfielder, Sunderland)
Harry McKirdy, three year contract (striker, Swindon)
Lewis Miller, three year contract (defender, Macarthur)
Ryan Schofield, one year loan (goalkeeper, Huddersfield)
Jair Tavares, four year contract (midfielder, Benfica)
Elie Youan, one year loan (striker, St Gallen)

A lot of players with a hell of a lot still to prove there with perhaps 7 who could claim to be an unqualified success (discounting injuries).

Hibees1973

21-05-2023, 01:48 PM

Fair to say that last summer's window was far from an outstanding success with not enough proven quality signed. However, 8 of the 16 players signed last summer were actually in the squad that faced Aberdeen last Sat with 3 starting (Marshall, Fish & Youan) and another 2 (Mckirdy and Henderson) coming on as subs.

From last year's Greggs thread here are the players that were signed...
Momodou Bojang, one year loan (striker, Rainbow)
Martin Boyle, three year contract (midfielder, Al-Faisaly)
Rocky Bushiri, three year contract (defender, Norwich)
Marijan Cabraja, three year contract (defender, Dinamo Zagreb)
Will Fish, one year loan (defender, Man Utd)
Ewan Henderson, three year contract (midfielder, Celtic)
Nohan Kenneh, three year contract (midfielder, Leeds)
Mykola Kukharevych, one year loan (striker, Troyes)
David Marshall, two year contract (goalkeeper, QPR)
Kyle McClelland, three year contract (defender, Rangers)
Aiden McGeady, one year contract (midfielder, Sunderland)
Harry McKirdy, three year contract (striker, Swindon)
Lewis Miller, three year contract (defender, Macarthur)
Ryan Schofield, one year loan (goalkeeper, Huddersfield)
Jair Tavares, four year contract (midfielder, Benfica)
Elie Youan, one year loan (striker, St Gallen)

A lot of players with a hell of a lot still to prove there with perhaps 7 who could claim to be an unqualified success (discounting injuries).

Way more misses than hits.

Hope this new DOF has a clue. Need to punt the people who identified 75% of these signings.

Abysmal recruitment and an eye watering waste of money. 4 yr contract to Tavares. Words fail me.

One Day Soon

21-05-2023, 01:53 PM

'battle'

CallumHibs07

21-05-2023, 02:21 PM

Fair to say that last summer's window was far from an outstanding success with not enough proven quality signed. However, 8 of the 16 players signed last summer were actually in the squad that faced Aberdeen last Sat with 3 starting (Marshall, Fish & Youan) and another 2 (Mckirdy and Henderson) coming on as subs.

From last year's Greggs thread here are the players that were signed...
Momodou Bojang, one year loan (striker, Rainbow)
Martin Boyle, three year contract (midfielder, Al-Faisaly)
Rocky Bushiri, three year contract (defender, Norwich)
Marijan Cabraja, three year contract (defender, Dinamo Zagreb)
Will Fish, one year loan (defender, Man Utd)
Ewan Henderson, three year contract (midfielder, Celtic)
Nohan Kenneh, three year contract (midfielder, Leeds)
Mykola Kukharevych, one year loan (striker, Troyes)
David Marshall, two year contract (goalkeeper, QPR)
Kyle McClelland, three year contract (defender, Rangers)
Aiden McGeady, one year contract (midfielder, Sunderland)
Harry McKirdy, three year contract (striker, Swindon)
Lewis Miller, three year contract (defender, Macarthur)
Ryan Schofield, one year loan (goalkeeper, Huddersfield)
Jair Tavares, four year contract (midfielder, Benfica)
Elie Youan, one year loan (striker, St Gallen)

A lot of players with a hell of a lot still to prove there with perhaps 7 who could claim to be an unqualified success (discounting injuries).

7 an unqualified success? Fish and Youan are the only ones I would consider a success plus Boyle and Myko if we’re discounting injuries

Mostly complete disasters

MrSmith

21-05-2023, 02:27 PM

'battle'

Surrendered meekly!

Bristolhibby

22-05-2023, 07:57 AM

Is 6th a good season.

Nope. Admirably better than last season, but given Europe is virtually guaranteed for 5th, plus we avoid the banana skin of League Cup group stages, we really need to get 5th for this season to have any semblance of success.

Sadly we are relying more on St Mirren NOT getting any more points than us getting any.

J

Paulie Walnuts

22-05-2023, 08:02 AM

Nope. Admirably better than last season, but given Europe is virtually guaranteed for 5th, plus we avoid the banana skin of League Cup group stages, we really need to get 5th for this season to have any semblance of success.

Sadly we are relying more on St Mirren NOT getting any more points than us getting any.

J

St Mirren can still get 2 draws and not catch us.

I still think we’ll finish 5th but I think we’ll stumble over the line with two defeats.

MrSmith

22-05-2023, 08:44 AM

I detest relying on other teams to ensure we are successful! This has not been a successful season at all not matter if we finish 5th or 4th, the manager and the team have been nothing less than awful. The remaining players in the next two games should be playing out their skins for either a move out of or remaining at Hibs, will they? for my tuppence worth, we'll finish 6th. On current form we will get gubbed off Celtic and might scrape a draw at Hearts but even then it still seems pie in the sky!

heid the baw

22-05-2023, 09:13 AM

Hibernian Verse

22-05-2023, 09:16 AM

The only benefit of finishing 5th is exemption from the league cup early stages.
Any team limping into 5th place in this league has really no right to be playing European football. It's just pointless.

If Hibs can rebuild and play solid and consistently good football throughout the season next year, then Europe would be a great prize at the end of that season. This team in no way merit it, they haven't earned it, even if they do finish 5th

It's not great that we are going to finish 5th, but Scotland gets 5 European places and by finishing in those places you literally have to earn it by assembling the 5th most points at a minimum.

heid the baw

22-05-2023, 09:20 AM

It's not great that we are going to finish 5th, but Scotland gets 5 European places and by finishing in those places you literally have to earn it by assembling the 5th most points at a minimum.

Personally I think ICT have earned it more than whoever finishes 5th

Hibernian Verse

22-05-2023, 09:24 AM

Personally I think ICT have earned it more than whoever finishes 5th

They've finished 6th in the Championship and beaten Stirling Albion, Queen's Park (who they actually lost to and got re-instated due to an ineligble player), Livi, Killie and Falkirk.

They've really earned that European place.

flash

22-05-2023, 09:25 AM

Personally I think ICT have earned it more than whoever finishes 5th

Because Queens Park messed up their paperwork?

Dashing Bob S

22-05-2023, 09:29 AM

5th is crap and is as much as we can hope for. St Mirren, with a much lower budget, probably deserve it, but we will most likely scab it.

Humiliation at the hands of Latvian firefighters and postmen awaits, for non switched on bunch of bloaters resentful about being pulled off the beaches of Ibiza and most of them probably on their way out of the club to replaced by 11th hour makeshift signings.

flash

22-05-2023, 09:34 AM

Dashing Bob S

22-05-2023, 09:38 AM

Also been some big wins like pumping Aberdeen 6-0 and scoring 4 away at Livingston. Add in the last minute equalisers against Rangers and Hearts i definitely wouldn’t say it’s been a forgettable season. Think there’s been quite a few memorable points throughout the season.

I think it’s been a season of extremes, we’ve either been really good or really bad with not much in between.

IMO we will finish 5th and that’s not a bad season, not brilliant but alright and a fair reflection of where we’re at just now.

It’s not been the worst season I can remember but easily one of the most frustrating. The amount of chances missed combined with defensive errors - notably from someone as decent and experienced as Marshall- has driven me crazier this term than almost any other.

We should have been out of sight in 3rd. But there’s something missing in Johnson’s team. Probably leadership and character. There’s nobody really shouty and authoritative running the show on the field.

I get nostalgic, not so much for Sauzee and Latapy -that sort of class is probably beyond our resources these days - but for Hughes and Dennis- limited players but ones who got stuck in and ensured everyone else did.

flash

22-05-2023, 09:39 AM

It’s not been the worst season I can remember but easily one of the most frustrating. The amount of chances missed combined with defensive errors - notably from someone as decent and experienced as Marshall- has driven me crazier this term than almost any other.

We should have been out of sight in 3rd. But there’s something missing in Johnson’s team. Probably leadership and character. There’s nobody really shouty and authoritative running the show on the field.

I get nostalgic, not so much for Sauzee and Latapy -that sort of class is probably beyond our resources these days - but for Hughes and Dennis- limited players but ones who got stuck in and ensured everyone else did.

We got relegated with that central defence.

Hibernian Verse

22-05-2023, 09:40 AM

We got relegated with that central defence.

Ah those were the days. Bring them both back and get Lennon to manage the team we'll skoosh the league.

Dashing Bob S

22-05-2023, 09:41 AM

You have probably overdone your shtick by 2 or 3 years now.

I’d say a lot longer, unfortunately. Sadly its in response to seeing a lot of the same failings manifest season in, season out.

Perhaps I should study your posts on this football supporters opinion site, in order to discover the true path of progress and enlightenment.

flash

22-05-2023, 09:42 AM

I’d say a lot longer, unfortunately. Sadly its in response to seeing a lot of the same failings manifest season in, season out.

Perhaps I should study your posts on this football supporters opinion site, in order to discover the true path of progress and enlightenment.
You absolutely shouldn't.

Dashing Bob S

22-05-2023, 09:45 AM

You absolutely shouldn't.

Well, just for that I’m going to do it compulsively now.

flash

22-05-2023, 09:46 AM

Well, just for that I’m going to do it compulsively now.

Better up my game then.

Bristolhibby

22-05-2023, 10:05 AM

St Mirren can still get 2 draws and not catch us.

I still think we’ll finish 5th but I think we’ll stumble over the line with two defeats.

This is where I am. Sneak 5th with two defeats.

Fingers crossed.

J

The Tubs

22-05-2023, 10:09 AM

I get nostalgic, not so much for Sauzee and Latapy -that sort of class is probably beyond our resources these days - but for Hughes and Dennis- limited players but ones who got stuck in and ensured everyone else did.

I thought McGeady actually did it without being overtly shouty. Behind Boyle, that's been the most frustrating injury by a mile.

One Day Soon

22-05-2023, 10:16 AM

We're not battling and we won't finish 4th. That is all.

Scottie

22-05-2023, 10:22 AM

We're not battling and we won't finish 4th. That is all.
Over and out because we've as much fight as a wet fish supper :agree:

heid the baw

22-05-2023, 11:34 AM

They've finished 6th in the Championship and beaten Stirling Albion, Queen's Park (who they actually lost to and got re-instated due to an ineligble player), Livi, Killie and Falkirk.

They've really earned that European place.

The early rounds of the European competition are knockout. They have proved that that can win knockout ties against higher rated opposition. Surely getting to a major final deserves some recognition.

BoomtownHibees

22-05-2023, 11:38 AM

The early rounds of the European competition are knockout. They have proved that that can win knockout ties against higher rated opposition. Surely getting to a major final deserves some recognition.

They will get a medal

heid the baw

22-05-2023, 11:48 AM

They will get a medal

Even Pa Kujabi has one of those

flash

22-05-2023, 12:36 PM

We're not battling and we won't finish 4th. That is all.

Does that include beating St Mirren and playing Aberdeen off the park or just losing to Rangers just like everybody else does?

We probably won't finish 4th but to suggest the players aren't putting effort in is just absolute bollocks.

One Day Soon

22-05-2023, 06:00 PM

Does that include beating St Mirren and playing Aberdeen off the park or just losing to Rangers just like everybody else does?

We probably won't finish 4th but to suggest the players aren't putting effort in is just absolute bollocks.

Sadly I think they may actually be doing the best they can. It's hard to tell though.

Bristolhibby

22-05-2023, 06:07 PM

flash

22-05-2023, 07:39 PM

Sadly I think they may actually be doing the best they can. It's hard to tell though.

We are definitely crap. That's one thing we can agree on.

danhibees1875

23-05-2023, 08:12 AM

Sadly I think they may actually be doing the best they can. It's hard to tell though.

:greengrin

The point is right though - good days and bad days, ultimately 5th where the budget dictates we're most likely to finish.

There's a chance we end up a place below that, and a slimmer chance we end up a place above that. Generally though, we're where we should be. I wonder how many fan bases are happy with their current league position compared to those who think they should be doing better- I'd imagine almost all (not celtic or aberdeen) would think they could or should be doing better.

B.H.F.C

23-05-2023, 09:24 AM

:greengrin

The point is right though - good days and bad days, ultimately 5th where the budget dictates we're most likely to finish.

There's a chance we end up a place below that, and a slimmer chance we end up a place above that. Generally though, we're where we should be. I wonder how many fan bases are happy with their current league position compared to those who think they should be doing better- I'd imagine almost all (not celtic or aberdeen) would think they could or should be doing better.

I don’t think we are performing in line with budget. For the investment we’ve made in the team I don’t think we’ve won enough games because we’ve not spent it properly.

It’s a season that the teams above us with bigger budgets have also under performed. If we’d looked after ourselves better we’d be in a better position. Granted, they might say the same but I don’t really care about them. Our own performances and results haven’t been good enough (5 points from 6 games against the bottom two for instance).

Bristolhibby

23-05-2023, 10:27 AM

I don’t think we are performing in line with budget. For the investment we’ve made in the team I don’t think we’ve won enough games because we’ve not spent it properly.

It’s a season that the teams above us with bigger budgets have also under performed. If we’d looked after ourselves better we’d be in a better position. Granted, they might say the same but I don’t really care about them. Our own performances and results haven’t been good enough (5 points from 6 games against the bottom two for instance).

Stuff like your last point needs addressing. Beating Aberdeen 6-0 means nothing if we can’t beat bottom of the League Dundee Utd after three times trying.

J

erin go bragh

23-05-2023, 12:21 PM

Stuff like your last point needs addressing. Beating Aberdeen 6-0 means nothing if we can’t beat bottom of the League Dundee Utd after three times trying.

J

Sure we have took more points from the top six than the bottom six
Maybe get Jack Ross back for playing the bottom six teams 😁

Tambo

24-05-2023, 08:59 PM

So here we go Hibs. time to win the battle for 4th Derby.

SHODAN

24-05-2023, 09:00 PM

Somehow unbelievably coming down to the final day. Fantastic effort.

Since452

24-05-2023, 09:01 PM

Wonder how Hearts bottle will hold? We know they love a last day jambottling.

AFKA5814_Hibs

24-05-2023, 09:57 PM

All we could ask is taking it into last game. Game on.

GRA

24-05-2023, 10:06 PM

Wonder how Hearts bottle will hold? We know they love a last day jambottling.

This can't be right. Those pro-Jambo mouthpieces at the BBC kept alluding to 3rd place being sewn up months ago...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64326625

The very fact they could finish 5th if we win on Saturday will pile the pressure all on them. Nothing to lose Hibs let's go for it!

Since452

24-05-2023, 10:07 PM

This can't be right. 3rd place was sewn up months ago those pro-Jambo mouthpieces at the BBC kept alluding to...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64326625

The very fact they could finish 5th if we win on Saturday will pile the pressure all on them. Nothing to lose Hibs let's go for it!

Imagine we beat them and Inverness win the cup 😂

danhibees1875

24-05-2023, 10:07 PM

We’re beating one of the old firm.

Very confident about it.

I appreciate there is 0 reason why I should be confident 🤣

:aok:

tug.lismore

24-05-2023, 10:19 PM

Imagine we beat them and Inverness win the cup [emoji23]The result of the derby basically decides which Edinburgh team are supporting Inverness at the cup final [emoji1787]

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Smartie

24-05-2023, 10:20 PM

In advance of the final day showdown, it would be funny if someone dropped off a few hundred bog rolls at the Levein household.

Stokesy's on fire

24-05-2023, 10:45 PM

In terms if prize money

3rd 4th and 5th pays out how much? does anyone know?

Bristolhibby

24-05-2023, 10:48 PM

A shootout. Winner takes all. (Sadly they get the draw).

Let’s go for it!

Pressures on them.

J

Bristolhibby

24-05-2023, 10:48 PM

This is where I am. Sneak 5th with two defeats.

Fingers crossed.

J

How wrong was I?

J

B.H.F.C

24-05-2023, 10:52 PM

When we got to the split all I wanted was to get to Tynecastle with the chance to catch them. We’ve got that chance and we’ve done well to get that chance.

Come on Hibs, let’s do this.

MKHIBEE

25-05-2023, 08:29 AM

When we got to the split all I wanted was to get to Tynecastle with the chance to catch them. We’ve got that chance and we’ve done well to get that chance.

Come on Hibs, let’s do this.
I was struggling to get enthusiastic about coming up for the game before last nights result, it’s all very different now! Cannae wait!

patlowe

25-05-2023, 08:36 AM

In terms if prize money

3rd 4th and 5th pays out how much? does anyone know?

£3.5m, £2.5m and £2m according to this (https://www.totalsportal.com/football/scottish-premiership-prize-money/)

Incredible that Aberdeen team is going to reap the rewards of this and group stage football.

Northernhibee

25-05-2023, 08:44 AM

£3.5m, £2.5m and £2m according to this (https://www.totalsportal.com/football/scottish-premiership-prize-money/)

Incredible that Aberdeen team is going to reap the rewards of this and group stage football.
Aberdeen have a good squad, it was just Goodwinised for a while.

JohnM1875

25-05-2023, 09:26 AM

£3.5m, £2.5m and £2m according to this (https://www.totalsportal.com/football/scottish-premiership-prize-money/)

Incredible that Aberdeen team is going to reap the rewards of this and group stage football.

Oft! So potentially circa £8 million for Abeedeen with guaranteed group stage football. If they spend that well could be hard for us to make up the ground.

patlowe

25-05-2023, 09:34 AM

Oft! So potentially circa £8 million for Abeedeen with guaranteed group stage football. If they spend that well could be hard for us to make up the ground.

It's a bit of a concern but I guess we thought the same about Hearts this season and it's not quite transpired. I think it's really hard for clubs like us, Hearts and Aberdeen to recruit to make that next step. Plus Robson (and potentially Naismith) are very inexperienced manager wise, which may also work in our favour. Just got to hope we get our shot at the group stages before Scotland loses that spot.

oneone73

25-05-2023, 09:41 AM

Oft! So potentially circa £8 million for Abeedeen with guaranteed group stage football. If they spend that well could be hard for us to make up the ground.

There's a chance we could make c£6.5m.

JohnM1875

25-05-2023, 09:42 AM

There's a chance we could make c£6.5m.

Spot on! I like this outcome.

Tambo

25-05-2023, 09:44 AM

Even more of a joke this game ain't on sky Saturday.

green day

25-05-2023, 09:51 AM

Oft! So potentially circa £8 million for Abeedeen with guaranteed group stage football. If they spend that well could be hard for us to make up the ground.

Hearts fans have said that they were told that - after expenses etc - it was about £3m profit for the conf league.

Keith_M

25-05-2023, 09:58 AM

Tambo

25-05-2023, 10:00 AM

Well, we've now guaranteed 5th place, so that's a start.

I'm not all that confident we will beat Hearts but at least we've now given ourselves something to play for.

It's certainly an exciting end to the season.

Did have a look over the road a few hours ago and they have a come on cally thistle thread, would absolutely love it for us to get the 3 points on Saturday for them to be ****ting themselves for the cup final.

Leith Green

25-05-2023, 10:00 AM

Oft! So potentially circa £8 million for Abeedeen with guaranteed group stage football. If they spend that well could be hard for us to make up the ground.

You would think they would put some cash into developing that absolute ****hole of a stadium they get away with .. Likes of ourselves and Hearts invested in our infrastructure , yet they continue to spend nothing sorting out that situation.. Looking for someone else to pay for a new stadium

JohnM1875

25-05-2023, 10:09 AM

Hearts fans have said that they were told that - after expenses etc - it was about £3m profit for the conf league.

Aye I suppose you never factor in things like travel costs and accomodation etc. Reaching the group stages would be a game changer for us though.

Finishing fourth would obviously make it easier. Though I think we'd easily win the third qualifying round, it's still two extra games. Finishing fourth is massive.