Why would anyone be a ref in Scotland

[Irish_Steve]

No wonder the Toxic Twins get their way. Mind you, that can't happen when they play each other

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65234008

[Trinity Hibee]

It’s a good question. Being a ref at any level must be a nightmare a lot of the time. Good on those who put themselves forward

[matty_f]

It's just another reason why they get the big decisions consistently in their favour.

With the introduction of VAR and the increased scrutiny on referees, there has never been more evidence of bias towards those two clubs.

The game is rigged in their favour.

[Trinity Hibee]

It's just another reason why they get the big decisions consistently in their favour.

With the introduction of VAR and the increased scrutiny on referees, there has never been more evidence of bias towards those two clubs.

The game is rigged in their favour.

Writing to the SFA after every decision that goes against you is laughable especially given the decisions everyone else has been on the receiving end of for decades. SFA shouldn’t even be entertaining these emails.

[Dunbar Hibee]

They are corrupt cheating *******s tbf, can’t say I have much sympathy for them

[cameronw-hfc]

I sympathise with the youth and grassroots refs, not the SPL ones as much. Some of the stuff you hear shouted at refs at grassroots level is mental. I've been guilty of being a bit mouthy myself and have had to apologise but it's mainly asking why something isn't a foul.

You hear them getting proper abuse at 9yo football, it's sad and a testament to them for sticking with it.

I disagree with death threats but due to the level of corruption I find it increasingly difficult to feel sorry for the most of SPL refs. If it was honest errors it's fair, but there's some amount of absolutely blatant cheating that goes on

[Onion]

No wonder the Toxic Twins get their way. Mind you, that can't happen when they play each other

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65234008

The game is bust in Scotland. The SFA / SPFL know full well that any threat of violence against refs and their families during an OF match carries over to ANY game that affects the OF. Human nature means that refs will invariably shy away from giving decision against the club that personally intimidates them.

Modern day jury tampering by the mafia :greengrin

Bring back the Cypriot refs.

[Donegal Hibby]

There is some very corrupt referee's in Scottish football and while I dislike them a lot , absolutely no one should have there family or themselves threatened . Hopefully they are caught and punished severely to set a example that it won't be tolerated.

[green day]

Perhaps having some of those appointed to ref in the Premiership from associations outside Glasgow and the West of Scotland would remove some allegations of "supporting one team or the other" ?

I know there are qualified refs represented from every association, but those from the East and North of Scotland only ever seem to get as far as linesman, not actually ref.

While those circulating the details are obviously horrible, the SFA are complicit.

[MWHIBBIES]

When they have a video replay system, and still make regular massive "mistakes" I struggle to have sympathy.

[Since452]

When they have a video replay system, and still make regular massive "mistakes" I struggle to have sympathy.

Yup. They are getting all the help they can get right now and making a James Blunt of it.

[MGmick]

It's just another reason why they get the big decisions consistently in their favour.

With the introduction of VAR and the increased scrutiny on referees, there has never been more evidence of bias towards those two clubs.

The game is rigged in their favour.

So, what is the point of taking part then?

PS. I do not disagree with you.

[JimBHibees]

Two takeaways from that report Sfa saying they had referred emails to Police, police saying they hadn't received anything. :confused:

Second Rangers complianing about lack of transparency re decisions. Wtaf

[Hibs4185]

When a referee has to go to work on a Monday morning and has to face colleagues who are probably rangers or Celtic fans more than any other team then it must be difficult.

Their lives don’t depend on refereeing. Their mirage doesn’t get paid by refereeing. So ultimately if they are facing Jo public, work colleagues etc then it’s maybe subconsciously easier to give a team the benefit of the doubt now and again.

We now have more money in the scottish game and priority number 1 has to be professional refs and assistants.

If their performance is consistently poor and their job is on the line, they’ll soon buck up their ideas.

[tonyrougier123]

Yup. They are getting all the help they can get right now and making a James Blunt of it.

That goal that was disallowed was similar to the porteous one earlier in season,player had both hands on porto as well.
Wonder if we got an apology or even asked for one.
That goal stood refs family in tact.
Consistency is the big issue for me.

[JimBHibees]

That goal that was disallowed was similar to the porteous one earlier in season,player had both hands on porto as well.
Wonder if we got an apology or even asked for one.
That goal stood refs family in tact.
Consistency is the big issue for me.

Good comparison with Porto goal same ref too. Wonder how many apologies we have had this season. Guess would be zero.

[Chorley Hibee]

Two takeaways from that report Sfa saying they had referred emails to Police, police saying they hadn't received anything. :confused:

Second Rangers complianing about lack of transparency re decisions. Wtaf

The same 'Rangers' that hasn't had a word to say about a member of their coaching staff assaulting an opposition coach from behind.

There's those 'standards' they preach once again.

[I'm Spartacus]

SevCo asking for transparency hahaha amazing. Remember when their old club had illegal side contracts?

[staunchhibby]

Neither wonder Bobby maddenn bailed out

[Since452]

SevCo asking for transparency hahaha amazing. Remember when their old club had illegal side contracts?

Different club when it suits them.

[Spike Mandela]

Usually it is to advance the cause of Rangers football club.

It’s when you deviate from that you are in bother.:greengrin

[Onceinawhile]

Good comparison with Porto goal same ref too. Wonder how many apologies we have had this season. Guess would be zero.

I'm fairly certain we've had 2. Can't remember what incidents it was though. But I remember seeing it mentioned.

[Onion]

I contend it's impossible for ANY referee to be objective and unbiased when refereeing a Sevco game. Every one of them will now be thinking (consciously and sub-consciously) if they give a decision which materially adversely affects Sevco's prospects, they and their families could be at risk. When their livelihoods do not depend on refereeing, why would they take the tough decisions ? Much easier just to favour Sevco, receive the plaudits and keep their families safe.

Of course, every ref will say they are 100% unbiased, but they would be lying.

Not one mention of this from all the coverage of the OF ref threats, yet this is the inevitable outcome.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the poor guy has been handed a stint in the VAR Van this weekend for the Livingston v St Johnstone game


i'm not sure if this decision is a demotion or for his safety, or both

[matty_f]

So, what is the point of taking part then?

PS. I do not disagree with you.

I honestly have been asking myself that a lot recently.

I’d got to the point of taking myself it was just against those two and i could almost write those games off, but you see what happened after Kensell kicked up a noise at Parkhead about referees - we get a diddy the next match who gives us nothing, and that’s followed up by a ref on Sunday ignoring a penalty shout for us and giving United the softest of soft penalties at the end.

[Devonhibs]

I reffed a U16 game on Saturday, 1st v bottom. Bottom team only had 9, so 11 v 9 with the full team also having subs.

HT - bottom team winning 1 -0 and much angst and moaning amongst themselves and from their bench (top team).

Into the 2nd half and opposing players have a minor coming together, bit of minor verbals, losing team player is very hostile towards his opponent.

Try the stepped approach, call him over to have a quiet word whilst allowing to him to calm down, Ignores me, walks away and despite me calling and becking him over I am ignored. Straight forward dissent by words or actions, shown yellow card and off the field for 8 minutes by way of a sin bin. Not sure if sin bins are used in Scotland.

Top team raise their game and eventually run out 4-1 winners. However, all I get is hostility from the bench/parents for the sin bin and it was all 'my fault', not the players.
Manager even walked away and didnt shake hands at the end.

I somtimes wonder why I bother but I tell myself its not the majority, and no ref no game.

[Carheenlea]

I reffed a U16 game on Saturday, 1st v bottom. Bottom team only had 9, so 11 v 9 with the full team also having subs.

HT - bottom team winning 1 -0 and much angst and moaning amongst themselves and from their bench (top team).

Into the 2nd half and opposing players have a minor coming together, bit of minor verbals, losing team player is very hostile towards his opponent.

Try the stepped approach, call him over to have a quiet word whilst allowing to him to calm down, Ignores me, walks away and despite me calling and becking him over I am ignored. Straight forward dissent by words or actions, shown yellow card and off the field for 8 minutes by way of a sin bin. Not sure if sin bins are used in Scotland.

Top team raise their game and eventually run out 4-1 winners. However, all I get is hostility from the bench/parents for the sin bin and it was all 'my fault', not the players.
Manager even walked away and didnt shake hands at the end.

I somtimes wonder why I bother but I tell myself its not the majority, and no ref no game.

A depressing read.

[delbert]

the poor guy has been handed a stint in the VAR Van this weekend for the Livingston v St Johnstone game


i'm not sure if this decision is a demotion or for his safety, or both

It is 100% NOT any sort of demotion, these guys have to take turns doing VAR

[scm70nyd1973]

Maybe just maybe the refs are pants now because loads of people who could potentially have been very good get put off becoming one due to being treated like they are vermin. We are maybe now just getting left with a very small pool of wannabe refs and they are not great. Plenty of players will come through but we are now threatening the existence of refs - and it will keep on getting worse. No ref means no games so we have to think of that. **** refs will mean **** entertainment and anguish and we have to think of that. I’m in the support and respect them camp to be honest - that way I feel the quality will be enhanced.

[HoboHarry]

There is literally no point for anyone with ambition starting to referee unless they are from Glasgow or Lanarkshire. Anyone from Aberdeen, Inverness etc is wasting their time.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It is 100% NOT any sort of demotion, these guys have to take turns doing VAR


right enough, welsh? was in the Van for that old firm game i think, i'm curious if KC was actually already scheduled for this weekend then

i was just reading there that his wife was threatened as well and some of the abuse directed at his children :rolleyes: hopefully some find themselves in court for the threats

[JimBHibees]

I reffed a U16 game on Saturday, 1st v bottom. Bottom team only had 9, so 11 v 9 with the full team also having subs.

HT - bottom team winning 1 -0 and much angst and moaning amongst themselves and from their bench (top team).

Into the 2nd half and opposing players have a minor coming together, bit of minor verbals, losing team player is very hostile towards his opponent.

Try the stepped approach, call him over to have a quiet word whilst allowing to him to calm down, Ignores me, walks away and despite me calling and becking him over I am ignored. Straight forward dissent by words or actions, shown yellow card and off the field for 8 minutes by way of a sin bin. Not sure if sin bins are used in Scotland.

Top team raise their game and eventually run out 4-1 winners. However, all I get is hostility from the bench/parents for the sin bin and it was all 'my fault', not the players.
Manager even walked away and didnt shake hands at the end.

I somtimes wonder why I bother but I tell myself its not the majority, and no ref no game.

Absolutely pathetic