Ep 196 Nowhere Near Good Enough

[matty_f]

NEW EPISODE!!

196 Nowhere Near Good Enough

We look back at the action and talking points from Hibs' defeat to Dundee United


https://pod.fo/e/17307c


https://youtu.be/KXmgzEEzm7w

[kentao]

NEW EPISODE!!

196 Nowhere Near Good Enough

We look back at the action and talking points from Hibs' defeat to Dundee United


https://pod.fo/e/17307c


https://youtu.be/KXmgzEEzm7w (http://<br />https://youtu.be/KXmgzEEzm7w)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXmgzEEzm7w

[matty_f]

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Legend, thank you. 👍👍

[matty_f]

Bit more about Johnson/Hibs from me on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian

Agree? Disagree?

[bingo70]

NEW EPISODE!!

196 Nowhere Near Good Enough

We look back at the action and talking points from Hibs' defeat to Dundee United


https://pod.fo/e/17307c


https://youtu.be/KXmgzEEzm7w

Enjoyed that Matty, well done to you and Colin.

FWIW I think you’ve done the right thing separating the podcasts, I used to really enjoy listening to the long bangers podcast but I lost touch a bit with it when the short bangers, heid bangers stuff came in as that’s not really my cup of tea to be honest.

Hoping to get back in the swing of listening to it regularly again.

[matty_f]

Enjoyed that Matty, well done to you and Colin.

FWIW I think you’ve done the right thing separating the podcasts, I used to really enjoy listening to the long bangers podcast but I lost touch a bit with it when the short bangers, heid bangers stuff came in as that’s not really my cup of tea to be honest.

Hoping to get back in the swing of listening to it regularly again.

Thanks for the feedback mate, felt it was getting that way a bit as well so it made sense to split it all out!

[NAE NOOKIE]

That was a great listen, but for all the reasons you didn't want it to be. The tone of it absolutely summed up how I felt after the game on Sunday, same old bloody same old with Hibs performing absolutely true to form by losing a game we had to win against the very opponents you would choose to play in a must win game ... IE, bottom of the league without a win in 10.

The stick out for me was something I mentioned on here after the Motherwell game .... From the stand you can see the pass that's on, the player can plainly see that pass but then studiously refuses to attempt it .... WHY? Most of these guys have been under professional coaches at pro clubs since about 5 minutes after the midwife slapped their erse ... after all that time and intensive coaching and training is it really the case that they don't feel they have the ability to play a 10, 15, 20, 30 yard pass through the lines or over the top to a teammate, or worse don't have the courage to attempt it?

Like the guys I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that we can beat Hearts this weekend, because there's absolutely nothing you can point to that says we can .... we can't beat bog standard opponents who are on a bad run, how often have we gifted three points to Hearts teams in poor form? I've lost bloody count .... If you wan't to talk about choosing who you want to play Naismith must be cock a hoop that his first game in charge will be against us.

Supporting this club is bloody draining.

[DaveF]

Colin makes the point about fans being the constant in accepting defeats but gives no view as to what do to remedy it? Would have been nice to hear him expand on that rather than shrug and say I dunno what to do?

[matty_f]

Colin makes the point about fans being the constant in accepting defeats but gives no view as to what do to remedy it? Would have been nice to hear him expand on that rather than shrug and say I dunno what to do?

I think he was making the observation as it came to him but genuinely didn’t know what you do to change it. Maybe it’s one we’ll expand on for another episode - what would your suggestions be, Dave?

[Hibernian Verse]

I think he was making the observation as it came to him but genuinely didn’t know what you do to change it. Maybe it’s one we’ll expand on for another episode - what would your suggestions be, Dave?

You could do a three hour special on that :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Colin makes the point about fans being the constant in accepting defeats but gives no view as to what do to remedy it? Would have been nice to hear him expand on that rather than shrug and say I dunno what to do?

No offence to Colin, I tend to like his chat but I didn’t get this point either. Talking about the fans ‘acceptance’ of mediocrity is another talking about things that are just beyond our control. Unless we physically burst down the doors of East Mains with the pitchforks in hand, Marseille style.

[WhileTheChief..]

Bit more about Johnson/Hibs from me on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian)

Agree? Disagree?

The Devlin point is a good one. Why did we sign him? Everyone thought it was a weird one at the time but the chat was that he’d be decent cover.

Another signing that isn’t even good enough to get into our crap team?!

[Trinity Hibee]

The Devlin point is a good one. Why did we sign him? Everyone thought it was a weird one at the time but the chat was that he’d be decent cover.

Another signing that isn’t even good enough to get into our crap team?!

We’ve done this so many times in recent years. Cover on the bench but instead we shoehorn someone else in instead.

[DaveF]

I think he was making the observation as it came to him but genuinely didn’t know what you do to change it. Maybe it’s one we’ll expand on for another episode - what would your suggestions be, Dave?

As hibsbollah says, other than burning down ER, not a lot.

I just thought it was a lazy dig at the fans when the real issue is the mindset within the club (something he did touch on to be fair)

[Pretty Boy]

I think he was making the observation as it came to him but genuinely didn’t know what you do to change it. Maybe it’s one we’ll expand on for another episode - what would your suggestions be, Dave?

I do think it's an interesting point he makes though. I made the point a while back that we are a pretty placid fanbase all things considered and got some real grief for it but I stand by it.

I'm not sure there is an easy answer as to what we do about it but when was the last time we had any kind of protest, sporadic or otherwise? Once after we were relegated 6 years ago. Even that year it took until after we were down until any real vocal dissent against Butcher started. I don't think it's the case that people don't want or expect better but our anger or frustration or whatever quite often seems to manifest itself in apathy. A shrug of the shoulders and skulk off home. I'm not claiming any superiority in that regard, I do exactly the same.

I don't think the fans 'accept mediocrity' but I would argue there is perhaps an argument that we allow the club to accept it if that makes sense. I know we all slag Hearts fans for their delusions of grandeur, with some justification, but we almost seem too far the other way, a 'well what else should we expect? That's just the way it is' mentality if you like.

[Jones28]

A lot of good points as usual. I thought the Devlin point was very well made.

I’m very quick to ask what not accepting mediocrity looks like, but I’m quite quickly coming round to feeling the same as Colin and many others on here, that we do accept mediocrity and poor performances and it needs to change. But now I can’t think of what we need to do to change it 😂

[WhileTheChief..]

Mentioned it before but simple things like making our feeling known when we're at ER.

In days gone by you'd here chants of "xxx must go" or "sack the board" or similar. Now? Nothing.

We take the piss out of anyone that suggests any form of protest. But on the Holy Ground there are various threads that mention how protesting is the only way forward to get change. Works in politics, but not in football?? I find that hard to accept.

If we want things to happen, we can make them.

Problem is that most of us (myself included) can't be assed. We want someone else to do it all for us.

[matty_f]

As hibsbollah says, other than burning down ER, not a lot.

I just thought it was a lazy dig at the fans when the real issue is the mindset within the club (something he did touch on to be fair)

I don’t think it was a last dig, and he included us (as in me and him) in it as were joking away the day before about knowing what was coming etc.

Pretty Boy is right about it being difficult to find the right balance between demanding more and being delusional. I am pretty easily pleased, i really would accept us performing more or less where our budget puts us more often than not. We rarely achieve even that, though.

[madhatter]

I don’t think it was a last dig, and he included us (as in me and him) in it as were joking away the day before about knowing what was coming etc.

Pretty Boy is right about it being difficult to find the right balance between demanding more and being delusional. I am pretty easily pleased, i really would accept us performing more or less where our budget puts us more often than not. We rarely achieve even that, though.

I think other clubs mock us for the delusions of grandeur because we are regularly rubbish. I struggle to remember the times in my life where Hibs have finished top four 2-3 times in a row. In a budgetary sense though we should be able to expect a fairly comfortable top 5 most seasons and decent cup runs. For me this is the minimum, with the added dream of a few tasty European ties.

Hibs haven't delivered on this for a long time.

Don't want to point fingers but another constant is a number of board members unless I'm mistaken. Fans can't really do much and I suspect it's a mentality thing within the club. If board members expect the worst like us we're very unlikely to push the boat out. Damage limitation from top down. It's why I hope for really wealthy owners with serious football knowledge and intentions.

[DaveF]

I don’t think it was a last dig, and he included us (as in me and him) in it as were joking away the day before about knowing what was coming etc.

Pretty Boy is right about it being difficult to find the right balance between demanding more and being delusional. I am pretty easily pleased, i really would accept us performing more or less where our budget puts us more often than not. We rarely achieve even that, though.

Fair enough Matty. It was a good episode and your mood, in particular, matched mine in every aspect. A good watch / listen.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I think other clubs mock us for the delusions of grandeur because we are regularly rubbish. I struggle to remember the times in my life where Hibs have finished top four 2-3 times in a row. In a budgetary sense though we should be able to expect a fairly comfortable top 5 most seasons and decent cup runs. For me this is the minimum, with the added dream of a few tasty European ties.

Hibs haven't delivered on this for a long time.

Don't want to point fingers but another constant is a number of board members unless I'm mistaken. Fans can't really do much and I suspect it's a mentality thing within the club. If board members expect the worst like us we're very unlikely to push the boat out. Damage limitation from top down. It's why I hope for really wealthy owners with serious football knowledge and intentions.

I think that's probably the last thing you can accuse Hibs or Hibs fans of. All we ask is that the club punches it's weight as one of the top 5 clubs in the country, expecting it to finish in the top 4 and win a cup from time to time is hardly delusions of grandeur ... the fact that we continue to turn up to support it in the face of failing to reach that not unreasonable level is testament to our loyalty ....... delusions of grandeur ... nah, not really.